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    GeoManGear lists new lighting systems

    Just launched overnight, Bikeray Ray IIIs, Magicshine 900s and 1400s with Open-Light Systems batteries (German manufactured, tested and approved). We currently have a limited number of Open-Light batteries and more on the way from Germany.

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    When will the Bikeray IV be released? Have you got any pics yet? Thanks Sam

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    So are these Open-Light Systems batteries the ones going to be sent out to owners of recalled batteries?

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    Hi Sam
    We have seen some basic photos, it really is still in development and we have no confirmation of when it will be available. We do like to have a prototype to test ourselves for a few months before launching and we don't have one yet. As soon as we have a date of availabiliy or even prototype we will be open and honest with our feedback as always.

    Quote Originally Posted by sam2391
    When will the Bikeray IV be released? Have you got any pics yet? Thanks Sam
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    Hi Bryan

    This is the message we have listed on our site

    The batteries from Open Light Systems are not our Magicshine recall replacement battery pack. The U.S. Consumer Products Safety Commission requires that our approved replacement battery pack remedy be the same for all customers. To be able to get the large number of U.S. CPSC approved packs necessary, the only solution was to have them produced by a US manufacturer.

    We are still working on the entire recall process but wanted to offer an option for those that can't wait for the recall battery to be shipped out and for new customers who are wary of Chinese battery packs. The new German packs have a 1 year warranty as well.



    Quote Originally Posted by Bryank930
    So are these Open-Light Systems batteries the ones going to be sent out to owners of recalled batteries?
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    Geoman, Nice to see some of the new stuff arrive. Looks lot a lot of people want to hold out for the Bike Ray IV. Any news on the 15degree optics and when ( or if ) they are available and will they be available for the Bike ray III as well?

    While the BR IV is not available yet I see a nice option for those wanting more light: namely, a BR III light head couple with a MS 900 and Open light 5.8Ah battery with Y-cable. A set up like that on the bars would give you all the flood and throw you should need. ( edit: and still have decent run time )
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    We will be discussing the Ray IV and the tighter lens for the Ray III with Bikeray. We will post info here on the development as we get updates in the coming months. Agreed, that Open-Light 5.8Ah battery is awesome, we have had a Ray III burning on low for over 18 hours and still had more burntime left

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    Geoman, Nice to see some of the new stuff arrive. Looks lot a lot of people want to hold out for the Bike Ray IV. Any news on the 15degree optics and when ( or if ) they are available and will they be available for the Bike ray III as well?

    While the BR IV is not available yet I see a nice option for those wanting more light: namely, a BR III light head couple with a MS 900 and Open light 5.8Ah battery with Y-cable. A set up like that on the bars would give you all the flood and throw you should need.
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    Iam not an electrical guru. What is the difference between the 5.8AH and the 4.5AH. Guessing the 5.8 would be brighter??
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    The 4.5Ah and 5.8Ah rating refers to the capacity of the cells in the battery pack. It affects the burntime of the lighthead. eg the Magicshine 900 will burn for 3 hrs on high with the 4.5Ah pack but will burn 4 hours on high with the 5.8Ah pack. This is really handy for folks who are doing longer nightrides or endurance events, both packs are manufactured with 4 premium quality Panasonic cells, they are just different capacities. I hope this helps explain it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MI-29er
    Iam not an electrical guru. What is the difference between the 5.8AH and the 4.5AH. Guessing the 5.8 would be brighter??
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    What is the ETA for the replacement battery packs? spring is just around the corner, Thursday here in the midwest to be precise.

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    Cut And pasted from Geos site
    BATTERY RECALL PROCESS


    Late October 2010 - Contacted by customer about a safety incident with the Magicshine battery pack. Halted sales of Magicshine lightsets with affected battery packs.

    Early November 2010 – Contacted U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) about the Magicshine battery issue. Retained Exponent, a leading lithium ion battery consultant for testing and evaluation. Exponent tested the Magicshine battery packs and found them to be of very poor quality and containing un-balanced cells. Submitted initial report to CPSC.

    Mid December 2010 – After contacting several U.S. based battery manufacturers, we sent Exponent to Totex, a California company, for a manufacturing plant site visit. After getting positive feedback from Exponent regarding its site visit, Totex engineers started design of the replacement battery pack.
    Late December – Submitted proposed recall plan to the Safety Commission for approval.

    January 2011 - Completed design and engineering on battery pack PCB and hard plastic housing.
    Mid-February 2011 - CPSC approves our Totex designed battery pack.

    Pending – Receive approval from CPSC for our recall plan 

    Pending – Send out recall notices 

    Pending – Manufacture replacement battery packs (expecting first shipment end of April)
    
Pending – Send out replacement battery packs in phases. Our engineering consultant has determined that the oldest battery packs pose the greatest safety risk, so those will be replaced first.

    Looks like us that bought right before the recall are SOL for a while hopefully they will get thru the whole 20 thousand packs in a timely manner
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    Thanks Rakuman
    We will work as diligently as we can to get the recall wrapped up in the shortest possible time, we understand this is a major inconvenience for you all. We have expedited the recall replacement development wherever possible and are trying to get the recall rollout underway asap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman
    Cut And pasted from Geos site
    BATTERY RECALL PROCESS


    Late October 2010 - Contacted by customer about a safety incident with the Magicshine battery pack. Halted sales of Magicshine lightsets with affected battery packs.

    Early November 2010 – Contacted U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) about the Magicshine battery issue. Retained Exponent, a leading lithium ion battery consultant for testing and evaluation. Exponent tested the Magicshine battery packs and found them to be of very poor quality and containing un-balanced cells. Submitted initial report to CPSC.

    Mid December 2010 – After contacting several U.S. based battery manufacturers, we sent Exponent to Totex, a California company, for a manufacturing plant site visit. After getting positive feedback from Exponent regarding its site visit, Totex engineers started design of the replacement battery pack.
    Late December – Submitted proposed recall plan to the Safety Commission for approval.

    January 2011 - Completed design and engineering on battery pack PCB and hard plastic housing.
    Mid-February 2011 - CPSC approves our Totex designed battery pack.

    Pending – Receive approval from CPSC for our recall plan 

    Pending – Send out recall notices 

    Pending – Manufacture replacement battery packs (expecting first shipment end of April)
    
Pending – Send out replacement battery packs in phases. Our engineering consultant has determined that the oldest battery packs pose the greatest safety risk, so those will be replaced first.

    Looks like us that bought right before the recall are SOL for a while hopefully they will get thru the whole 20 thousand packs in a timely manner
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    Looking forward to not storing my battery pak in a bomb shelter

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    We feel the same way, sorry for the inconvenience.

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    Hey, great to see that there is a replacement pack available for those of us who aren't into waiting longer.

    I bought a MS from an ebay vendor who also advertised in MTBR classifieds after you pulled your MS's for the recall. I was impatient and broke and really wanted to night ride this winter. Any chance whatsoever of a battery pack discount/trade in program for MS owners who want a new safer battery but didn't originally buy from GeoMan? I realize you can't offer me recall coverage, but I thought it was worth a shot to ask.

    I'm about five minutes from placing an order for one of the new battery packs regardless, but I thought I'd ask first just in case. Thanks for all your efforts in this situation and all the great communiction and interaction. I'll be looking into a second light head of some sort from GeoMan by the time next winter rolls around.

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    Hi Picasso, we applied a relaunch discount to all of those products with the new Open-Light batteries. It's really expensive importing from Germany but we wanted to give folks like yourself a premium quality option. Open-Light sells the 5.8Ah battery on their site for 90 Euros which is currently equivalent to $125 US. Sorry we can't discount further at this point, it does carry a full 1 year warranty which is definitely a vast improvement over the 90 day warranty.

    http://www.open-light.de/en/Batterie...mp%20Head.html

    Quote Originally Posted by picassomoon
    Hey, great to see that there is a replacement pack available for those of us who aren't into waiting longer.

    I bought a MS from an ebay vendor who also advertised in MTBR classifieds after you pulled your MS's for the recall. I was impatient and broke and really wanted to night ride this winter. Any chance whatsoever of a battery pack discount/trade in program for MS owners who want a new safer battery but didn't originally buy from GeoMan? I realize you can't offer me recall coverage, but I thought it was worth a shot to ask.

    I'm about five minutes from placing an order for one of the new battery packs regardless, but I thought I'd ask first just in case. Thanks for all your efforts in this situation and all the great communiction and interaction. I'll be looking into a second light head of some sort from GeoMan by the time next winter rolls around.
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    Alright thanks. I'm thinking maybe I might as well order an enitre MS. Do you know if two MS 900 heads would be able to run off one of the new batteries with a Y cable? Would that just decrease the overall runtime?

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    Open-Light has not confirmed whether this is advisable for long-term battery health, but that would cut runtime basically in half.

    Quote Originally Posted by picassomoon
    Alright thanks. I'm thinking maybe I might as well order an enitre MS. Do you know if two MS 900 heads would be able to run off one of the new batteries with a Y cable? Would that just decrease the overall runtime?
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    Can you get a beamshot of the bikeray III compared to a magicshine please? Or just link me to a bikeray III beamshot as I can't seem to find one anywhere. Thanks

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    Geoman,

    I have been following the battery saga for a few months. I have not purchased from you in the past. I compliment you on your excellent customer service approach. I have just placed an order with you.

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    Hi Sam
    We generally leave the beamshots to the experts on this forum. We have done some comparisons both on and off the trail, the output appears to be approx 50% greater than the Magicshine 900, not quite the same throw with the 20 degree lens but a much wider bright halo without a hotspot in the middle. The first GeoManGear Ray III's were shipped yesterday so folks will be receiving them this week .

    Quote Originally Posted by sam2391
    Can you get a beamshot of the bikeray III compared to a magicshine please? Or just link me to a bikeray III beamshot as I can't seem to find one anywhere. Thanks
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    Thanks ACG, we appreciate the support, your order will be on the truck today. Cheers

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    I have been following the battery saga for a few months. I have not purchased from you in the past. I compliment you on your excellent customer service approach. I have just placed an order with you.
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    We just got a response from Open-Light in Germany, no problem runnng a pair of 900s with a Y-Cable from a single Open-Light battery.

    Quote Originally Posted by GEOMAN
    Open-Light has not confirmed whether this is advisable for long-term battery health, but that would cut runtime basically in half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GEOMAN
    We just got a response from Open-Light in Germany, no problem runnng a pair of 900s with a Y-Cable from a single Open-Light battery.
    Hot damn, now you got me thinkin'!!
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    Good job!

    Just ordered the MS 900 & the 5.8ah battery, was thinking about a Piko for a while but this seams to be a great deal.

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    Both products have merit, we have been really impressed with the Open-Light 5.8Ah battery pack, they will run that 900 on high for over 4 hours and 17-18 hours on low. The Lupine Piko 3 is super lightweight, has a great beam pattern and is very nicely engineered. Your order has been packaged and is on it's way today, thanks for the support we appreciate it

    Quote Originally Posted by Tallsilver1
    Just ordered the MS 900 & the 5.8ah battery, was thinking about a Piko for a while but this seams to be a great deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallsilver1
    Just ordered the MS 900 & the 5.8ah battery, was thinking about a Piko for a while but this seams to be a great deal.


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    Just ordered my new MS 900 with the 5.8 battery from Geo. To be honest no BS I was on the fence between the MS and Gemini. Both very good lights. But a fellow buddy had a MS and I was sold. But get this. Went to order from Geo and all out of stock. Damn it. Emailed Geo on next supply. Not to get into detail but he hooked me up!!! Well beyond any customer service to get his product out to the consumer. So order is in and light soon to be on its way. TOP NOTCH SERVICE!!!!

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    Thanks for the support, we're always happy to help. It's been astounding to see how popular the 5.8Ah battery packs have been. We contacted Open-Light Systems in Germany as soon as we noticed how popular they were, we have more on the way, they will be arriving next week. Meanwhile we have plenty of 4.5Ah packs available individually and with lightsets.


    Quote Originally Posted by MI-29er
    Just ordered my new MS 900 with the 5.8 battery from Geo. To be honest no BS I was on the fence between the MS and Gemini. Both very good lights. But a fellow buddy had a MS and I was sold. But get this. Went to order from Geo and all out of stock. Damn it. Emailed Geo on next supply. Not to get into detail but he hooked me up!!! Well beyond any customer service to get his product out to the consumer. So order is in and light soon to be on its way. TOP NOTCH SERVICE!!!!

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    Geoman, Now that you are offering some of the Bike Ray lights do you plan on offering the Bike Ray 1 & 2 as well? I only ask because the BR 1 and 2 are both using the D-bin P-7. Also they give you a choice of reflector type, BR1- spot, BR2- flood. I don't know about anyone else but I like that. ( Not to mention that they look a little better than the old MS 900 light heads. ) Running one ( or two ) of these with one of your new batteries could be a win, win.

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    Cat, sadly we may not be able to distribute Ray I's and II's at this point, we can't discuss the details. We are testing some D-bin P7's at the 24 Hours in the Old Pueblo this weekend though. P7 on the helmet and a BR III on the bars, it's a great combination and still very affordable. We have P7's from at least 8 manufacturers, we do like the weight of the Magicshine 900, in our experience it is about 12-15% lighter than the others. We'll keep everyone updated during the year with the latest products from a variety of manufacturers.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    Geoman, Now that you are offering some of the Bike Ray lights do you plan on offering the Bike Ray 1 & 2 as well? I only ask because the BR 1 and 2 are both using the D-bin P-7. Also they give you a choice of reflector type, BR1- spot, BR2- flood. I don't know about anyone else but I like that. ( Not to mention that they look a little better than the old MS 900 light heads. ) Running one ( or two ) of these with one of your new batteries could be a win, win.
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    So Geoman here's a question for you
    I just got a Lightandgo fouride light that has a 7.4v 4.4a 6 cell battery pak.
    Can i use your new open light batteries with my light?
    cause the batt. pack from lightandgo is put together pretty cheaply and the open light looks much better.
    And if I can use the open light, what type connector is it.
    Maybe I can change the connector if not the same?
    Your thoughts please
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    Theoretically the basic specs that you stated here are similar, although we actually had the Magicshine and Bikeray lightheads tested before matching them up with the Open-Light battery packs. We couldn't say yes without conducting tests and providing Open-Light with the lighthead specs.

    I believe they are using the same barrel connector that is featured on both Magicshine and Bikeray products. Also the lighthead base appears to have a similar mounting mechanism. Can we get your feedback on that barmount, we tried a similar one back in August but found whilst it center mounted the lighthead it caused the light to shake when riding singletrack. If this version is improved it may be something we could use with the Bikeray Ray III

    Quote Originally Posted by GoGoGordo
    So Geoman here's a question for you
    I just got a Lightandgo fouride light that has a 7.4v 4.4a 6 cell battery pak.
    Can i use your new open light batteries with my light?
    cause the batt. pack from lightandgo is put together pretty cheaply and the open light looks much better.
    And if I can use the open light, what type connector is it.
    Maybe I can change the connector if not the same?
    Your thoughts please
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    Quote Originally Posted by GEOMAN
    Theoretically the basic specs that you stated here are similar, although we actually had the Magicshine and Bikeray lightheads tested before matching them up with the Open-Light battery packs. We couldn't say yes without conducting tests and providing Open-Light with the lighthead specs.

    I believe they are using the same barrel connector that is featured on both Magicshine and Bikeray products. Also the lighthead base appears to have a similar mounting mechanism. Can we get your feedback on that barmount, we tried a similar one back in August but found whilst it center mounted the lighthead it caused the light to shake when riding singletrack. If this version is improved it may be something we could use with the Bikeray Ray III
    So far thru 3 rides on rough fire road, and smooth and rough ST the mount seems to be ok.
    It seems like it may not last but so far so good??
    After first ride needed to put some loc-tite on the threads of tightening mech. cause they kept coming loose.
    Otherwise could be beefier and thicker.
    So should I get one of your Batts?
    Kinda confused by your answer???
    If it doesn't work Could I return?
    thank's again,
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    Hi GoGo

    We can't guarantee it will work since we haven't tested those lightheads and chargers. The Open-Light batteries have excellent quality Panasonic cells and a high quality custom PCB so we think it would work with your existing products. We would definitely accept your item as a return if it doesn't perform as intended. Thanks for the feedback, keep us updated on the mount, we have a smaller version with the Bikeray Ray III that butts up against the stem but it's always a bonus to have the lighthead center of bars.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoGoGordo
    So far thru 3 rides on rough fire road, and smooth and rough ST the mount seems to be ok.
    It seems like it may not last but so far so good??
    After first ride needed to put some loc-tite on the threads of tightening mech. cause they kept coming loose.
    Otherwise could be beefier and thicker.
    So should I get one of your Batts?
    Kinda confused by your answer???
    If it doesn't work Could I return?
    thank's again,
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    Quote Originally Posted by GEOMAN
    Cat, sadly we may not be able to distribute Ray I's and II's at this point, we can't discuss the details. We are testing some D-bin P7's at the 24 Hours in the Old Pueblo this weekend though.....
    Doh! ...

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    Sorry if I missed it someplace, but I have not seen anything about the charger for the new Open-Light batteries. Does the Magicshine charger work with it ok?

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    Yes it does, confirmed directly from the German Manufacturer

    Quote Originally Posted by MOMtbiker
    Sorry if I missed it someplace, but I have not seen anything about the charger for the new Open-Light batteries. Does the Magicshine charger work with it ok?
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    hi geoman, are you going to sell the MJ-836? i don see it in your page.

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    ordered up some fresh lights, a 1400 and a 900 and another 900 for a friend..
    I thought about holding out for the 5.8 but didn't think that the difference would that much
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfreak
    Looking forward to not storing my battery pak in a bomb shelter

    Tell me about it, hopefully the recall happens before spring riding.

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    what is the optimum Geoman setup, assuming I want to mount one light on my bar and one on my helmet? Two BikeRay III's? Or one MS and one BikeRay?
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    IMHO BikerayIII on the bars, Magicshine 900 on the helmet is lightweight, affordable and bright. Both are on sale right now, so it's $250 total for both lightsets. We successfully tested this setup at 24 Hours in the Old Pueblo this weekend.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog
    what is the optimum Geoman setup, assuming I want to mount one light on my bar and one on my helmet? Two BikeRay III's? Or one MS and one BikeRay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GEOMAN
    IMHO BikerayIII on the bars, Magicshine 900 on the helmet is lightweight, affordable and bright. Both are on sale right now, so it's $250 total for both lightsets. We successfully tested this setup at 24 Hours in the Old Pueblo this weekend.
    Awesome - placing order now... can't wait to night ride! How does stock look?
    Mind your own religion.

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    Great, we will have your order out the door today. Thanks for the support we appreciate it.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog
    Awesome - placing order now... can't wait to night ride! How does stock look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mochodurazo
    hi geoman, are you going to sell the MJ-836? i don see it in your page.

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    geoman, you miss my qestion...

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    Apologies, at this time we won't be carrying the MJ-836. We tested that system late last year. We didn't see an advantage for our customers, the beam pattern appeared to be identical to the MJ-808, the lighthead was larger, heavier and the more prone to vibration on the bar mount.

    Quote Originally Posted by mochodurazo
    geoman, you miss my qestion...
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    Just placed my order for both what a deal for 250 for both!


    Thanks,

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    Thanks John, we appreciate the support

    Quote Originally Posted by Nocando10
    Just placed my order for both what a deal for 250 for both!


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    Geoman, are you already out of the 5.8 batteries? I want to order another MS900 lightset, but with the bigger battery. Thank you for your time.

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