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    GeoManGear lists new lighting systems

    Just launched overnight, Bikeray Ray IIIs, Magicshine 900s and 1400s with Open-Light Systems batteries (German manufactured, tested and approved). We currently have a limited number of Open-Light batteries and more on the way from Germany.

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    When will the Bikeray IV be released? Have you got any pics yet? Thanks Sam

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    So are these Open-Light Systems batteries the ones going to be sent out to owners of recalled batteries?

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    Hi Sam
    We have seen some basic photos, it really is still in development and we have no confirmation of when it will be available. We do like to have a prototype to test ourselves for a few months before launching and we don't have one yet. As soon as we have a date of availabiliy or even prototype we will be open and honest with our feedback as always.

    Quote Originally Posted by sam2391
    When will the Bikeray IV be released? Have you got any pics yet? Thanks Sam
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    Hi Bryan

    This is the message we have listed on our site

    The batteries from Open Light Systems are not our Magicshine recall replacement battery pack. The U.S. Consumer Products Safety Commission requires that our approved replacement battery pack remedy be the same for all customers. To be able to get the large number of U.S. CPSC approved packs necessary, the only solution was to have them produced by a US manufacturer.

    We are still working on the entire recall process but wanted to offer an option for those that can't wait for the recall battery to be shipped out and for new customers who are wary of Chinese battery packs. The new German packs have a 1 year warranty as well.



    Quote Originally Posted by Bryank930
    So are these Open-Light Systems batteries the ones going to be sent out to owners of recalled batteries?
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    Geoman, Nice to see some of the new stuff arrive. Looks lot a lot of people want to hold out for the Bike Ray IV. Any news on the 15degree optics and when ( or if ) they are available and will they be available for the Bike ray III as well?

    While the BR IV is not available yet I see a nice option for those wanting more light: namely, a BR III light head couple with a MS 900 and Open light 5.8Ah battery with Y-cable. A set up like that on the bars would give you all the flood and throw you should need. ( edit: and still have decent run time )
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    We will be discussing the Ray IV and the tighter lens for the Ray III with Bikeray. We will post info here on the development as we get updates in the coming months. Agreed, that Open-Light 5.8Ah battery is awesome, we have had a Ray III burning on low for over 18 hours and still had more burntime left

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    Geoman, Nice to see some of the new stuff arrive. Looks lot a lot of people want to hold out for the Bike Ray IV. Any news on the 15degree optics and when ( or if ) they are available and will they be available for the Bike ray III as well?

    While the BR IV is not available yet I see a nice option for those wanting more light: namely, a BR III light head couple with a MS 900 and Open light 5.8Ah battery with Y-cable. A set up like that on the bars would give you all the flood and throw you should need.
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    Iam not an electrical guru. What is the difference between the 5.8AH and the 4.5AH. Guessing the 5.8 would be brighter??
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    The 4.5Ah and 5.8Ah rating refers to the capacity of the cells in the battery pack. It affects the burntime of the lighthead. eg the Magicshine 900 will burn for 3 hrs on high with the 4.5Ah pack but will burn 4 hours on high with the 5.8Ah pack. This is really handy for folks who are doing longer nightrides or endurance events, both packs are manufactured with 4 premium quality Panasonic cells, they are just different capacities. I hope this helps explain it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MI-29er
    Iam not an electrical guru. What is the difference between the 5.8AH and the 4.5AH. Guessing the 5.8 would be brighter??
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    What is the ETA for the replacement battery packs? spring is just around the corner, Thursday here in the midwest to be precise.

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    Cut And pasted from Geos site
    BATTERY RECALL PROCESS


    Late October 2010 - Contacted by customer about a safety incident with the Magicshine battery pack. Halted sales of Magicshine lightsets with affected battery packs.

    Early November 2010 – Contacted U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) about the Magicshine battery issue. Retained Exponent, a leading lithium ion battery consultant for testing and evaluation. Exponent tested the Magicshine battery packs and found them to be of very poor quality and containing un-balanced cells. Submitted initial report to CPSC.

    Mid December 2010 – After contacting several U.S. based battery manufacturers, we sent Exponent to Totex, a California company, for a manufacturing plant site visit. After getting positive feedback from Exponent regarding its site visit, Totex engineers started design of the replacement battery pack.
    Late December – Submitted proposed recall plan to the Safety Commission for approval.

    January 2011 - Completed design and engineering on battery pack PCB and hard plastic housing.
    Mid-February 2011 - CPSC approves our Totex designed battery pack.

    Pending – Receive approval from CPSC for our recall plan 

    Pending – Send out recall notices 

    Pending – Manufacture replacement battery packs (expecting first shipment end of April)
    
Pending – Send out replacement battery packs in phases. Our engineering consultant has determined that the oldest battery packs pose the greatest safety risk, so those will be replaced first.

    Looks like us that bought right before the recall are SOL for a while hopefully they will get thru the whole 20 thousand packs in a timely manner
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    Thanks Rakuman
    We will work as diligently as we can to get the recall wrapped up in the shortest possible time, we understand this is a major inconvenience for you all. We have expedited the recall replacement development wherever possible and are trying to get the recall rollout underway asap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman
    Cut And pasted from Geos site
    BATTERY RECALL PROCESS


    Late October 2010 - Contacted by customer about a safety incident with the Magicshine battery pack. Halted sales of Magicshine lightsets with affected battery packs.

    Early November 2010 – Contacted U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) about the Magicshine battery issue. Retained Exponent, a leading lithium ion battery consultant for testing and evaluation. Exponent tested the Magicshine battery packs and found them to be of very poor quality and containing un-balanced cells. Submitted initial report to CPSC.

    Mid December 2010 – After contacting several U.S. based battery manufacturers, we sent Exponent to Totex, a California company, for a manufacturing plant site visit. After getting positive feedback from Exponent regarding its site visit, Totex engineers started design of the replacement battery pack.
    Late December – Submitted proposed recall plan to the Safety Commission for approval.

    January 2011 - Completed design and engineering on battery pack PCB and hard plastic housing.
    Mid-February 2011 - CPSC approves our Totex designed battery pack.

    Pending – Receive approval from CPSC for our recall plan 

    Pending – Send out recall notices 

    Pending – Manufacture replacement battery packs (expecting first shipment end of April)
    
Pending – Send out replacement battery packs in phases. Our engineering consultant has determined that the oldest battery packs pose the greatest safety risk, so those will be replaced first.

    Looks like us that bought right before the recall are SOL for a while hopefully they will get thru the whole 20 thousand packs in a timely manner
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    Looking forward to not storing my battery pak in a bomb shelter

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    We feel the same way, sorry for the inconvenience.

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    Hey, great to see that there is a replacement pack available for those of us who aren't into waiting longer.

    I bought a MS from an ebay vendor who also advertised in MTBR classifieds after you pulled your MS's for the recall. I was impatient and broke and really wanted to night ride this winter. Any chance whatsoever of a battery pack discount/trade in program for MS owners who want a new safer battery but didn't originally buy from GeoMan? I realize you can't offer me recall coverage, but I thought it was worth a shot to ask.

    I'm about five minutes from placing an order for one of the new battery packs regardless, but I thought I'd ask first just in case. Thanks for all your efforts in this situation and all the great communiction and interaction. I'll be looking into a second light head of some sort from GeoMan by the time next winter rolls around.

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    Hi Picasso, we applied a relaunch discount to all of those products with the new Open-Light batteries. It's really expensive importing from Germany but we wanted to give folks like yourself a premium quality option. Open-Light sells the 5.8Ah battery on their site for 90 Euros which is currently equivalent to $125 US. Sorry we can't discount further at this point, it does carry a full 1 year warranty which is definitely a vast improvement over the 90 day warranty.

    http://www.open-light.de/en/Batterie...mp%20Head.html

    Quote Originally Posted by picassomoon
    Hey, great to see that there is a replacement pack available for those of us who aren't into waiting longer.

    I bought a MS from an ebay vendor who also advertised in MTBR classifieds after you pulled your MS's for the recall. I was impatient and broke and really wanted to night ride this winter. Any chance whatsoever of a battery pack discount/trade in program for MS owners who want a new safer battery but didn't originally buy from GeoMan? I realize you can't offer me recall coverage, but I thought it was worth a shot to ask.

    I'm about five minutes from placing an order for one of the new battery packs regardless, but I thought I'd ask first just in case. Thanks for all your efforts in this situation and all the great communiction and interaction. I'll be looking into a second light head of some sort from GeoMan by the time next winter rolls around.
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    Alright thanks. I'm thinking maybe I might as well order an enitre MS. Do you know if two MS 900 heads would be able to run off one of the new batteries with a Y cable? Would that just decrease the overall runtime?

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    Open-Light has not confirmed whether this is advisable for long-term battery health, but that would cut runtime basically in half.

    Quote Originally Posted by picassomoon
    Alright thanks. I'm thinking maybe I might as well order an enitre MS. Do you know if two MS 900 heads would be able to run off one of the new batteries with a Y cable? Would that just decrease the overall runtime?
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    Can you get a beamshot of the bikeray III compared to a magicshine please? Or just link me to a bikeray III beamshot as I can't seem to find one anywhere. Thanks

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    Geoman,

    I have been following the battery saga for a few months. I have not purchased from you in the past. I compliment you on your excellent customer service approach. I have just placed an order with you.

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    Hi Sam
    We generally leave the beamshots to the experts on this forum. We have done some comparisons both on and off the trail, the output appears to be approx 50% greater than the Magicshine 900, not quite the same throw with the 20 degree lens but a much wider bright halo without a hotspot in the middle. The first GeoManGear Ray III's were shipped yesterday so folks will be receiving them this week .

    Quote Originally Posted by sam2391
    Can you get a beamshot of the bikeray III compared to a magicshine please? Or just link me to a bikeray III beamshot as I can't seem to find one anywhere. Thanks
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    Thanks ACG, we appreciate the support, your order will be on the truck today. Cheers

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    I have been following the battery saga for a few months. I have not purchased from you in the past. I compliment you on your excellent customer service approach. I have just placed an order with you.
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    We just got a response from Open-Light in Germany, no problem runnng a pair of 900s with a Y-Cable from a single Open-Light battery.

    Quote Originally Posted by GEOMAN
    Open-Light has not confirmed whether this is advisable for long-term battery health, but that would cut runtime basically in half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GEOMAN
    We just got a response from Open-Light in Germany, no problem runnng a pair of 900s with a Y-Cable from a single Open-Light battery.
    Hot damn, now you got me thinkin'!!
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    Good job!

    Just ordered the MS 900 & the 5.8ah battery, was thinking about a Piko for a while but this seams to be a great deal.

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    Both products have merit, we have been really impressed with the Open-Light 5.8Ah battery pack, they will run that 900 on high for over 4 hours and 17-18 hours on low. The Lupine Piko 3 is super lightweight, has a great beam pattern and is very nicely engineered. Your order has been packaged and is on it's way today, thanks for the support we appreciate it

    Quote Originally Posted by Tallsilver1
    Just ordered the MS 900 & the 5.8ah battery, was thinking about a Piko for a while but this seams to be a great deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallsilver1
    Just ordered the MS 900 & the 5.8ah battery, was thinking about a Piko for a while but this seams to be a great deal.


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    Just ordered my new MS 900 with the 5.8 battery from Geo. To be honest no BS I was on the fence between the MS and Gemini. Both very good lights. But a fellow buddy had a MS and I was sold. But get this. Went to order from Geo and all out of stock. Damn it. Emailed Geo on next supply. Not to get into detail but he hooked me up!!! Well beyond any customer service to get his product out to the consumer. So order is in and light soon to be on its way. TOP NOTCH SERVICE!!!!

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    Thanks for the support, we're always happy to help. It's been astounding to see how popular the 5.8Ah battery packs have been. We contacted Open-Light Systems in Germany as soon as we noticed how popular they were, we have more on the way, they will be arriving next week. Meanwhile we have plenty of 4.5Ah packs available individually and with lightsets.


    Quote Originally Posted by MI-29er
    Just ordered my new MS 900 with the 5.8 battery from Geo. To be honest no BS I was on the fence between the MS and Gemini. Both very good lights. But a fellow buddy had a MS and I was sold. But get this. Went to order from Geo and all out of stock. Damn it. Emailed Geo on next supply. Not to get into detail but he hooked me up!!! Well beyond any customer service to get his product out to the consumer. So order is in and light soon to be on its way. TOP NOTCH SERVICE!!!!

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    Geoman, Now that you are offering some of the Bike Ray lights do you plan on offering the Bike Ray 1 & 2 as well? I only ask because the BR 1 and 2 are both using the D-bin P-7. Also they give you a choice of reflector type, BR1- spot, BR2- flood. I don't know about anyone else but I like that. ( Not to mention that they look a little better than the old MS 900 light heads. ) Running one ( or two ) of these with one of your new batteries could be a win, win.

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    Cat, sadly we may not be able to distribute Ray I's and II's at this point, we can't discuss the details. We are testing some D-bin P7's at the 24 Hours in the Old Pueblo this weekend though. P7 on the helmet and a BR III on the bars, it's a great combination and still very affordable. We have P7's from at least 8 manufacturers, we do like the weight of the Magicshine 900, in our experience it is about 12-15% lighter than the others. We'll keep everyone updated during the year with the latest products from a variety of manufacturers.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    Geoman, Now that you are offering some of the Bike Ray lights do you plan on offering the Bike Ray 1 & 2 as well? I only ask because the BR 1 and 2 are both using the D-bin P-7. Also they give you a choice of reflector type, BR1- spot, BR2- flood. I don't know about anyone else but I like that. ( Not to mention that they look a little better than the old MS 900 light heads. ) Running one ( or two ) of these with one of your new batteries could be a win, win.
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    So Geoman here's a question for you
    I just got a Lightandgo fouride light that has a 7.4v 4.4a 6 cell battery pak.
    Can i use your new open light batteries with my light?
    cause the batt. pack from lightandgo is put together pretty cheaply and the open light looks much better.
    And if I can use the open light, what type connector is it.
    Maybe I can change the connector if not the same?
    Your thoughts please
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    Theoretically the basic specs that you stated here are similar, although we actually had the Magicshine and Bikeray lightheads tested before matching them up with the Open-Light battery packs. We couldn't say yes without conducting tests and providing Open-Light with the lighthead specs.

    I believe they are using the same barrel connector that is featured on both Magicshine and Bikeray products. Also the lighthead base appears to have a similar mounting mechanism. Can we get your feedback on that barmount, we tried a similar one back in August but found whilst it center mounted the lighthead it caused the light to shake when riding singletrack. If this version is improved it may be something we could use with the Bikeray Ray III

    Quote Originally Posted by GoGoGordo
    So Geoman here's a question for you
    I just got a Lightandgo fouride light that has a 7.4v 4.4a 6 cell battery pak.
    Can i use your new open light batteries with my light?
    cause the batt. pack from lightandgo is put together pretty cheaply and the open light looks much better.
    And if I can use the open light, what type connector is it.
    Maybe I can change the connector if not the same?
    Your thoughts please
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    Quote Originally Posted by GEOMAN
    Theoretically the basic specs that you stated here are similar, although we actually had the Magicshine and Bikeray lightheads tested before matching them up with the Open-Light battery packs. We couldn't say yes without conducting tests and providing Open-Light with the lighthead specs.

    I believe they are using the same barrel connector that is featured on both Magicshine and Bikeray products. Also the lighthead base appears to have a similar mounting mechanism. Can we get your feedback on that barmount, we tried a similar one back in August but found whilst it center mounted the lighthead it caused the light to shake when riding singletrack. If this version is improved it may be something we could use with the Bikeray Ray III
    So far thru 3 rides on rough fire road, and smooth and rough ST the mount seems to be ok.
    It seems like it may not last but so far so good??
    After first ride needed to put some loc-tite on the threads of tightening mech. cause they kept coming loose.
    Otherwise could be beefier and thicker.
    So should I get one of your Batts?
    Kinda confused by your answer???
    If it doesn't work Could I return?
    thank's again,
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    Hi GoGo

    We can't guarantee it will work since we haven't tested those lightheads and chargers. The Open-Light batteries have excellent quality Panasonic cells and a high quality custom PCB so we think it would work with your existing products. We would definitely accept your item as a return if it doesn't perform as intended. Thanks for the feedback, keep us updated on the mount, we have a smaller version with the Bikeray Ray III that butts up against the stem but it's always a bonus to have the lighthead center of bars.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoGoGordo
    So far thru 3 rides on rough fire road, and smooth and rough ST the mount seems to be ok.
    It seems like it may not last but so far so good??
    After first ride needed to put some loc-tite on the threads of tightening mech. cause they kept coming loose.
    Otherwise could be beefier and thicker.
    So should I get one of your Batts?
    Kinda confused by your answer???
    If it doesn't work Could I return?
    thank's again,
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    Quote Originally Posted by GEOMAN
    Cat, sadly we may not be able to distribute Ray I's and II's at this point, we can't discuss the details. We are testing some D-bin P7's at the 24 Hours in the Old Pueblo this weekend though.....
    Doh! ...

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    Sorry if I missed it someplace, but I have not seen anything about the charger for the new Open-Light batteries. Does the Magicshine charger work with it ok?

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    Yes it does, confirmed directly from the German Manufacturer

    Quote Originally Posted by MOMtbiker
    Sorry if I missed it someplace, but I have not seen anything about the charger for the new Open-Light batteries. Does the Magicshine charger work with it ok?
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    hi geoman, are you going to sell the MJ-836? i don see it in your page.

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    ordered up some fresh lights, a 1400 and a 900 and another 900 for a friend..
    I thought about holding out for the 5.8 but didn't think that the difference would that much
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfreak
    Looking forward to not storing my battery pak in a bomb shelter

    Tell me about it, hopefully the recall happens before spring riding.

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    what is the optimum Geoman setup, assuming I want to mount one light on my bar and one on my helmet? Two BikeRay III's? Or one MS and one BikeRay?
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    IMHO BikerayIII on the bars, Magicshine 900 on the helmet is lightweight, affordable and bright. Both are on sale right now, so it's $250 total for both lightsets. We successfully tested this setup at 24 Hours in the Old Pueblo this weekend.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog
    what is the optimum Geoman setup, assuming I want to mount one light on my bar and one on my helmet? Two BikeRay III's? Or one MS and one BikeRay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GEOMAN
    IMHO BikerayIII on the bars, Magicshine 900 on the helmet is lightweight, affordable and bright. Both are on sale right now, so it's $250 total for both lightsets. We successfully tested this setup at 24 Hours in the Old Pueblo this weekend.
    Awesome - placing order now... can't wait to night ride! How does stock look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mochodurazo
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    Apologies, at this time we won't be carrying the MJ-836. We tested that system late last year. We didn't see an advantage for our customers, the beam pattern appeared to be identical to the MJ-808, the lighthead was larger, heavier and the more prone to vibration on the bar mount.

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    Just placed my order for both what a deal for 250 for both!


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    Geoman, are you already out of the 5.8 batteries? I want to order another MS900 lightset, but with the bigger battery. Thank you for your time.

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    I just pulled the trigger on a MS900 light-set and replacement bands anyway. If you do have the bigger batteries in stock, I would like to order one for my other MS900 light-head.

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    AWESOME! Ive been waiting for the battery solution so I could order from you! Placing my order right now! Thanks!

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    Sorry we soldout of the 5.8Ah packs really quickly, we have more enroute but supply is limited at the moment for the Open-Light batteries. As you noticed we did however put the lightsets with the 4.5Ah packs on sale this week. The 4.5Ah packs still provide over 3 hours burntime on high on the Magicshine 900 and Bikeray III lightheads so they are perfectly adequate for most riders. We agree that the additional 33% burntime of the 5.8Ah packs is phenomenal, we tested them out in the rain this weekend at the 24 Hours in the Old Oueblo, enough burntime to do three 16 mile night laps on high (MS 900 and Bikeray III had a 5.8Ah on each lighthead)

    Quote Originally Posted by oldmandoghouse
    Geoman, are you already out of the 5.8 batteries? I want to order another MS900 lightset, but with the bigger battery. Thank you for your time.
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    Geoman - Any chance of a 2 cell battery in the future for mounting direct on the helmet (small & light weight)? I know this is a bad time to juggle more battery options, but curious if this could be a future product when things calm down.

    1/2 of a Open-Light 5.8Ah pack would be great.

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    Currently our focus is getting the Recall replacement packs produced quickly. A 2 cell pack would definitely be a nice addition as lighthead efficiency technology continues to improve. The Lupine Piko 3 uses a helmet mountable 2 cell pack, very nice we like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by bruneti
    Geoman - Any chance of a 2 cell battery in the future for mounting direct on the helmet (small & light weight)? I know this is a bad time to juggle more battery options, but curious if this could be a future product when things calm down.

    1/2 of a Open-Light 5.8Ah pack would be great.
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    Just received my new light from geoman. Question on the battery. Can i store the battery with a full charge or is that not a good idea??
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    It is generally recommended to store Lithium Ion battery packs at approx 40-50% of full charge

    Quote Originally Posted by MI-29er
    Just received my new light from geoman. Question on the battery. Can i store the battery with a full charge or is that not a good idea??
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    Any firm date on 5.8 batteries? Want to buy a MS 5.8 setup. Tx

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    Huge thanks to Geoman for hooking me up with race day delivery of a new battery charged, and ready to go at the 24HIOP. I ran the new 4.5 in the rain, wind, mud, and it delivered.

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    Got mine today....superfast...thanks!

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    We are hoping they clear US Customs on Tuesday so we can have them relisted on the site later in the week. Apologies for the delay, we increased the number of 5.8's in this order due to increased interest in the higher capacity battery packs.

    Quote Originally Posted by mtbboy2000
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    Our pleasure, that sure was no joke out there this year, as soon as the sun went down the rain came pounding down horizontally. I went out on the dusk lap and got soaked. The 2am and 5am laps were superfast though which made up for the wet weather.

    Quote Originally Posted by hoosker
    Huge thanks to Geoman for hooking me up with race day delivery of a new battery charged, and ready to go at the 24HIOP. I ran the new 4.5 in the rain, wind, mud, and it delivered.
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    quick question...does the led button cause a significant drain on the battery to have it plugged in..?

    For example if Im heading out at 5pm for a ride and it isnt dark til 630...I wouldnt want the plugs open and exposed to dust and or water...so would have it plugged in until I needed it....would it make a huge drain on run time to have it plugged in for a few hours...or should it be mounted and snapped together right before u need it..?

    Just curious what type of drain it puts on it...or if its so insignificant it doesnt matter...tia

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    Someone measured the drain, and it was quite small. The calculated draw down of the button led was the equivalent of 6 minutes of burn on hi if you left the light head plugged into the battery for 24 hours. Or, if you left the light plugged in to the battery for a week, it would be roughly equivalent to about a half hour of burn on hi.

    I can't prove or corroborate these numbers, but I trust the light nerds to some degree.

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    Agreed, it is a minimal drain, we don't recommend leaving them plugged in permanently whilst off the bike but a couple of hours as you describe will have a minor impact.

    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Someone measured the drain, and it was quite small. The calculated draw down of the button led was the equivalent of 6 minutes of burn on hi if you left the light head plugged into the battery for 24 hours. Or, if you left the light plugged in to the battery for a week, it would be roughly equivalent to about a half hour of burn on hi.

    I can't prove or corroborate these numbers, but I trust the light nerds to some degree.
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    Typical LED current for an indicator is 15 to 20mA. A 4Ah battery would keep it lit for about 200hrs

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog
    Awesome - placing order now... can't wait to night ride! How does stock look?
    Received mine today. Mounting the MS 900 to my older helmet so I can just leave it mounted and not have to pulI it and off when I want to nite ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GEOMAN
    Theoretically the basic specs that you stated here are similar, although we actually had the Magicshine and Bikeray lightheads tested before matching them up with the Open-Light battery packs. We couldn't say yes without conducting tests and providing Open-Light with the lighthead specs.

    I believe they are using the same barrel connector that is featured on both Magicshine and Bikeray products. Also the lighthead base appears to have a similar mounting mechanism. Can we get your feedback on that barmount, we tried a similar one back in August but found whilst it center mounted the lighthead it caused the light to shake when riding singletrack. If this version is improved it may be something we could use with the Bikeray Ray III
    Can you please confirm the voltage of the new battery packs? The MS packs were 2S2P at ~7.8-8.4v, the spec sheet on your website for the Bike Ray says: 3.6v 2250mAh, which looks like 1S2P and renders it incompatible w/ the MS lights.

    EDIT.. I see that the site shows the capacity to be 4500mAh which must be the total 2S2P, the PDF shows the single cell capacity at 3.6v 2250mAh. Would like to try one of these in Australia, is international shipping available. Also, please work on bring a nice 3W taillight to market, the flash modes on the Magicshine are tragic, and the mounting system is even worse.
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    Slightly off topic:

    Are all of the MS 900 users here using the standard MS charger with their batteries, original or otherwise? If so, is it working fine for you? I'm trying to get my head around the charging options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Entrenador
    Slightly off topic:

    Are all of the MS 900 users here using the standard MS charger with their batteries, original or otherwise? If so, is it working fine for you? I'm trying to get my head around the charging options.

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    Correct 2S2P, yes we do ship internationally especially we do many orders for Australia at this time of the year

    Quote Originally Posted by rearviewmirror
    Can you please confirm the voltage of the new battery packs? The MS packs were 2S2P at ~7.8-8.4v, the spec sheet on your website for the Bike Ray says: 3.6v 2250mAh, which looks like 1S2P and renders it incompatible w/ the MS lights.

    EDIT.. I see that the site shows the capacity to be 4500mAh which must be the total 2S2P, the PDF shows the single cell capacity at 3.6v 2250mAh. Would like to try one of these in Australia, is international shipping available. Also, please work on bring a nice 3W taillight to market, the flash modes on the Magicshine are tragic, and the mounting system is even worse.
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    Our pleasure, thanks for the support

    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog
    Received mine today. Mounting the MS 900 to my older helmet so I can just leave it mounted and not have to pulI it and off when I want to nite ride.

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    Hey Geoman. I'm currently still using the recall set up. Yes I admit I'm taking a chance cause its the only thing I have. The one thing I noticed was last night the light was not bright at all. It was like I was on the lowest setting for an hour and half ride. I got home and plugged the battery in to the charger and noticed that the green light on the charger stayed green. Does this mean my charger is shot? Will the new batteries come with a new charger too?

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    Hi Mike, take a look at the led when the light is turned on, does it appear as though all 4 quarters are operating? Remember you want to get a side angle not looking straight into the light beam. email us on geoman@geomangear.com and we'll work through this

    Quote Originally Posted by mmanuel09
    Hey Geoman. I'm currently still using the recall set up. Yes I admit I'm taking a chance cause its the only thing I have. The one thing I noticed was last night the light was not bright at all. It was like I was on the lowest setting for an hour and half ride. I got home and plugged the battery in to the charger and noticed that the green light on the charger stayed green. Does this mean my charger is shot? Will the new batteries come with a new charger too?

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    How does the bikeray 3 beam on high compare to Micky mouse 1400 on high with all three lit . Ive already have a couple of 1400s and I am trying to talk myself into a bikeray 3 and give one of my boys the 1400.
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    Our opinion is that the Bikeray III provides a larger and better lit area than the MS1400. With the wider reflector on the P7 of the MS1400 the throw of the BRIII is very similar, however the XP-Gs flood a much larger area than the diffused XP-E's on the sides of the 1400. We have found the combination of the MS900 on the helmet and a BRIII on the bars to be fantastic. We just listed a new package that contains both lightsets called the Singletrack Pack http://www.geomangear.com/index.php?...roducts_id=263

    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman
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    Just want to publicly thank Geo for the excellent customer service I received from Geomangear regarding one of my lights. Fast friendly service!! Thanks dude!!
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    Just want to publicly thank Geo for the excellent customer service I received from Geomangear regarding one of my lights. Fast friendly service!! Thanks dude!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tg3895
    Just want to publicly thank Geo for the excellent customer service I received from Geomangear regarding one of my lights. Fast friendly service!! Thanks dude!!
    +1 on that , just ordered a bikeray 3 today

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    Thanks SoCal, let us know what you think of the Bikeray Ray III, we have been very impressed

    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalNomadRider
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    The Ray III is a great light. Received mine 2 days after the intial order (Excellent shipping). Very bright. I've been using a trinewt for the past two years and when I compared the two I was shocked that I could even ride at night with the newt, the difference is mind boggling. The beam pattern is perfect for my style of riding, the wide beam is great. My only concern is that the battery indicator turns from green to blue after 45 minutes of riding (have the 5.4v). My thoughts are that it shouldn't turn blue until about two hours into the ride. However, I have ridden as long as 3 hours on the high beam and it remains in the blue at the end of everyride, just hope the light indicator is a little off. Other than that I couldn't be happier with my purchase.
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    Hi Dirt Hog, please contact us on geoman@geomangear.com and we can resolve that issue with the indicator for you. Thanks for the support, glad you like the Ray III.
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    Night riding noob question here.

    I'm looking at picking up night riding this coming riding season and have been looking at your MS lights. Being completely new to this whole thing I have no idea what I need. To me the 4.5 batt pack sounds like more then enough for my riding. Do you recommend a helmet light? Can you post a link to the product you recommend for a person just getting into night riding? 200 is bout the max I can spend aswell. Kinda lost here lol.

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    Geoman, are you out of stock of all Magicshine kits at the moment? Everything is saying temporarily unavailable.

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    I was in the same boat wanted to start night riding and didn't want to spend allot of money. I could not pass up the deal he had for a BikerayIII and a MS 900 for under 250 bucks one for the handlebars and one for the helmet. Every one I spoke with said it is nice to have 2 in case one goes out while out on the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by safetyfifth
    Night riding noob question here.

    I'm looking at picking up night riding this coming riding season and have been looking at your MS lights. Being completely new to this whole thing I have no idea what I need. To me the 4.5 batt pack sounds like more then enough for my riding. Do you recommend a helmet light? Can you post a link to the product you recommend for a person just getting into night riding? 200 is bout the max I can spend aswell. Kinda lost here lol.

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    A few questions

    1) Can I cut the connector off the recalled pack and still send it in for recall? I got a nice smart charger for my battery, but it always says "connection broken". I think I have a potentially dangerous battery and want to stop using it. I have a couple of 3 cell Parallel Tenergy packs that I wired up in series last night, and will house in a water bottle, but I have no connector. What section of the connector is neg and which is pos?

    2) What is the difference between the Bike Ray III and IV? Think you'll have them by fall?

    3) Someone asked about a small helmet-mount battery. Perhaps a polymer battery might be a good option, like the one on the MiNewt.

    4) When I get the recall battery, would it be possible to pay the difference and get the 5.8 aH one? It's nice to have the extra capacity both for safety reserve, and to still have a useable battery a few years down the road when the batt. starts to lose capacity. Most of my rides are 2+ hours, so a several year old 3 hour battery cuts things mighty close.


    When I go camping, I like to use the green power light on my MagicShine as a night light.

    Nocando: I rode with one light for years, but two is vastly superior for several reasons. You have a backup. My connector on my other light has a problem. When it conks out after a bump, no big deal since the MS900 on the bar keeps shining. It's also nice to have a backup in case you have a breakdown and are out a lot longer than you expect. Because of this, I keep my MS on medium brightness except on downhills. The biggest advantage I think though is depth perception. While the helmet is the best place to mount a single light (since it shines whereever you look), having the light so close to your eyes means you don't see any shadows. This plays havoc with your depth perception- everything looks kind of flat. A bar light casts a little shadow, allowing you to see depth and the height of objects on the trail. So, definitely get two lights if you can.

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    We just enabled all products for sale, we ran out of Open-Light batteries yesterday, the latest shipment is enroute we expect to ship all preorders on Monday. There's a chance we can get them on the truck on Friday however Monday is most likely. We have 4.5 Ah, 5.8Ah and the new 8.7Ah packs coming in from Germany. The 4.5s and 5.8s are 4 cell packs whilst the 8.7Ah is a 6 cell pack using the higher capacity Panasonic cells just like the 4 cells in the 5.8s.

    Quote Originally Posted by BritOnTour
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    Best not to cut cable off battery, we anticipate CPSC will want entire battery recalled.

    Ray IV is not in production yet, Ray III is a triple Cree R5 XP-G with output of approx 1000 lumens. Very nice lighting system, stock optics setup ideal for handlebar mounted system. We don't have any other info on Ray IV for now but will supplement the forums when we do.

    The CPSC has very rigid guidelines for recalls, every participant must receive the identical remedy, unfortunately we can't customize the remedy for individual participants. We enjoy going the extra mile and taking care of our customers but the rules on the recall are not negotiable.

    Quote Originally Posted by @dam
    A few questions

    1) Can I cut the connector off the recalled pack and still send it in for recall? I got a nice smart charger for my battery, but it always says "connection broken". I think I have a potentially dangerous battery and want to stop using it. I have a couple of 3 cell Parallel Tenergy packs that I wired up in series last night, and will house in a water bottle, but I have no connector. What section of the connector is neg and which is pos?

    2) What is the difference between the Bike Ray III and IV? Think you'll have them by fall?

    3) Someone asked about a small helmet-mount battery. Perhaps a polymer battery might be a good option, like the one on the MiNewt.

    4) When I get the recall battery, would it be possible to pay the difference and get the 5.8 aH one? It's nice to have the extra capacity both for safety reserve, and to still have a useable battery a few years down the road when the batt. starts to lose capacity. Most of my rides are 2+ hours, so a several year old 3 hour battery cuts things mighty close.


    When I go camping, I like to use the green power light on my MagicShine as a night light.

    Nocando: I rode with one light for years, but two is vastly superior for several reasons. You have a backup. My connector on my other light has a problem. When it conks out after a bump, no big deal since the MS900 on the bar keeps shining. It's also nice to have a backup in case you have a breakdown and are out a lot longer than you expect. Because of this, I keep my MS on medium brightness except on downhills. The biggest advantage I think though is depth perception. While the helmet is the best place to mount a single light (since it shines whereever you look), having the light so close to your eyes means you don't see any shadows. This plays havoc with your depth perception- everything looks kind of flat. A bar light casts a little shadow, allowing you to see depth and the height of objects on the trail. So, definitely get two lights if you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocando10
    I was in the same boat wanted to start night riding and didn't want to spend allot of money. I could not pass up the deal he had for a BikerayIII and a MS 900 for under 250 bucks one for the handlebars and one for the helmet. Every one I spoke with said it is nice to have 2 in case one goes out while out on the trails.

    John

    Thanks John for the recommendation.

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    I'm just about to pull the trigger and get the Bikeray III from geoman but considering the Light and Go Fireball too...

    Has anyone here try both of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by @dam
    A few questions

    1) Can I cut the connector off the recalled pack and still send it in for recall? I got a nice smart charger for my battery, but it always says "connection broken". I think I have a potentially dangerous battery and want to stop using it. I have a couple of 3 cell Parallel Tenergy packs that I wired up in series last night, and will house in a water bottle, but I have no connector. What section of the connector is neg and which is pos?
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    If you're using the 3.5mm jack supplied with your smart charger, there's a good chance that the internal diameter is different to the female plug on the MS battery pack. I use MS extension cables for my DIY lights and I had exactly this problem - turned out the prong bit inside the battery plug was thinner than the hole inside the charger jack plug, so the 2 didn't make contact. I had a spare Y extension cable so I soldered the male plug off that onto another one of the many cables that came with my charger (Thunder AC6) - works perfectly now. No idea which bit is +ve and which is -ve - if you don't have a multimeter to find out, let me know and I'll get off my butt and find out for you.

    If you're in need of a spare MS compatibly plug, both Geoman and Deal Extreme sell MS 1m extension cables - Geoman is a bit more, but you'll get it within a few days, DX is a bit less buy you'll be waiting ~3wks.

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    They're probably both very similar in output and both have a wide beam pattern, the biggest difference IMO is that going with the Ray III is a better choice primarily because you're buying from a US distributor who has proven to us that he will take care of any issues you may have with your light. The battery also seems to be of a higher quality. I myself was trying to purchase a light and go light, but had nothing but problems with their website. I'm very thankful I found this forum and have no regrets with my choice...But, I don't own a fireball so this is only my observation.
    "Ride it Like You Stole it"!

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    Hi Mike

    I had a similar problem, turned out to be failure of the PCB. (In the pack)
    Solution is to replace the PCB, my cells seemed to be balanced nicely so i took a chance.
    Working fine since.

    Quote Originally Posted by mmanuel09
    Hey Geoman. I'm currently still using the recall set up. Yes I admit I'm taking a chance cause its the only thing I have. The one thing I noticed was last night the light was not bright at all. It was like I was on the lowest setting for an hour and half ride. I got home and plugged the battery in to the charger and noticed that the green light on the charger stayed green. Does this mean my charger is shot? Will the new batteries come with a new charger too?

    Thanks
    Mike

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    They do look almost exactly alike. I agree about the US distributor...makes a huge difference! I think my decision has been made. I wonder if there will be a head strap for the bikeray III. I would love to use it when I go hiking too

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    Geoman, can you please clarify the warranty of the bike ray lights?

    The light head site http://www.geomangear.com/index.php?...roducts_id=258 says:

    *Model: Ray III
    *Warranty: 18 months by the manufacturer

    The light battery package http://www.geomangear.com/index.php?...roducts_id=243 says

    *Model: Ray III
    *Warranty: 12 months

    Or is this supposed to be different?

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    Got my bikeray 3 yesterday from geoman (ordered wed. afternoon got fri. to CA) WOW is all i can say, It is smaller than i expected (and no that is not what she said haha) and the output is amazing although i have not had a chance to take it on a ride yet i did take it outside to my back yard and could clearly see three of my neighbors yards.

    It is noticeably brighter than my ms 900 with a much wider beam versus the ms narrow beam so i think the ideal best bang for the buck imo would be a bikeray 3 on the bars and ms900 on the helmet.

    I am hoping to go on a niteride next week so hopefully i will have more info./input Thanks again geoman

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