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    Gemini now available in NZ

    ..Its more fun with the 'lites' on! Introducing Gloworm Lites

    Gemini Industries is now manufacturing the Gloworm Lite for the NZ/AUS Market

    Gloworm Lites is an entrepreneurial web based business in Auckland, NZ specialising in high powered LED lights and accessories.

    Gloworm Lite Director and Founder, Bruce Davey, has been riding from a young age, both road cycling and mountain biking. For him, night riding is a culture, one that he has enjoyed and relished over the years.

    Now Gemini Industries has joined forces with Gloworm Lites, they now bring you the best value adventure light available in NZ and Australia. Improved quality control, world class manufacturing and reliability that is second to none. Let Gloworm Lites take your next adventure to the next level!

    Gloworm Lites aims to make night riding and other nocturnal activities accessible and achievable for all!

    Look out for 2 new models - coming soon!

    www.glowormlites.co.nz

    www.gemini-lights.com

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    Whats the difference between yours and the ones on TM? Look the same?

    Im up for some lights but dont know what to get.
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    Gemini/Gloworm Lites

    Hey,

    While visibly the lights may appear very similar, that's where it ends.

    Gloworm Lites (manufactured by Gemini Industries) has taken the P7 lamp to another level. Not only do you have the peace of mind of NZ based service/warranty coverage, the quality control involved in building these lights far exceeds that which are being sold by other retailers both in stores and on Trade Me.

    Additionally, of note. One of the distributors of LED Lights in NZ is now using my previous supplier to supply his company with product. I changed manufacturers for a reputable company due to the fact that I continued to have multiple failures.

    Gemini Industries is a Canadian run company that I have worked with to create a light for the NZ Market. It uses the D-bin P7 LED (better quality, brightness and colour than the C-bin) and a battery that is manufactured by one of the top ten battery manufacturers in the world - the same company that makes computer batteries for DELL.

    In most of the lights you will have seen on TM, you will find small metal shards from manufacture still inside the lights, most manufacturers do not use thermal paste inside their lights, which is essential for heat dispersion and protection of the internal electronics.

    Finally our chargers have been manufactured and checked by an Australian testing lab and as a result received approval for sale in Aus and NZ - ref number Q080155. Any charger you buy should have a ref number on it that refers to a register held by each state in Aus (most testing is done there). If you can't find that number or its existence on a register - don't bother.

    If you want peace of mind and a light that will work forever with a battery and charger that is proven safe, I recommend (of course) a Gloworm. If you want a light that is a slightly cheaper price than mine with no guarantees of its reliability of safety but may last for a season - by one off Trade Me. Either way, the P7 LED light is a great way to get out night riding.

    ...and that is the goal of Gloworm Lites - to make night riding more accessible and affordable for all!

    If you would like a chat, my contact details are on my website. Any time is good!

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    Agreed, the TM lights are cheap rubbish. We manufacture to our own much higher standards.

    Anyway. P7 lights are so last year. The Nitelights Destroyer is the light of 2011

    http://nitelights.co.nz/destroyer-1200-lumen-bike-light

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitelights
    Agreed, the TM lights are cheap rubbish. We manufacture to our own much higher standards.

    Anyway. P7 lights are so last year. The Nitelights Destroyer is the light of 2011

    http://nitelights.co.nz/destroyer-1200-lumen-bike-light
    1200lm XML.
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    Quote Originally Posted by znomit
    1200lm XML.
    Like your curtain lights!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydawgnz
    ..Its more fun with the 'lites' on! Introducing Gloworm Lites

    Gemini Industries is now manufacturing the Gloworm Lite for the NZ/AUS Market

    Gloworm Lites is an entrepreneurial web based business in Auckland, NZ specialising in high powered LED lights and accessories.

    Gloworm Lite Director and Founder, Bruce Davey, has been riding from a young age, both road cycling and mountain biking. For him, night riding is a culture, one that he has enjoyed and relished over the years.

    Now Gemini Industries has joined forces with Gloworm Lites, they now bring you the best value adventure light available in NZ and Australia. Improved quality control, world class manufacturing and reliability that is second to none. Let Gloworm Lites take your next adventure to the next level!

    Gloworm Lites aims to make night riding and other nocturnal activities accessible and achievable for all!

    Look out for 2 new models - coming soon!

    www.glowormlites.co.nz

    www.gemini-lights.com
    Are you getting the 1400 lumin models?
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    Quote Originally Posted by znomit
    1200lm XML.
    Whut?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NZSpokes
    Are you getting the 1400 lumin models?
    I thought I'd try to run the XML hard and get 1600 out of them!

    But seriously......new models will be XML available mid season.

    All I can say at the moment is they will be much brighter and have a longer run time than the current Gloworm Lite, while still running at 10W of power from a similar battery.

    More updates to follow...........

    PS It will not be a copy of the Nitelights destroyer

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    I have no idea what XML hard means. Just want more light.

    Not interested in Nitelights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NZSpokes
    I have no idea what XML hard means. Just want more light.

    Not interested in Nitelights.
    RIghto, the XML is a new type of LED that produces more lumens per watt of power than other LEDs. If one 'drives' and LED hard (more amps) you can get more light. However, this produces more heat and is harsher on components.

    If you interested in our new lights or a current light, drop me a line for more info.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZSpokes
    Whut?
    Spokes the XML LED is rated to 1000lm.

    Claiming 1200 from it is a little dishonest. Fortunately we have things like the fair trading act so at the end of winter you can send you light back to nitelights for a full refund.
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    Quote Originally Posted by znomit
    Spokes the XML LED is rated to 1000lm.

    Claiming 1200 from it is a little dishonest. Fortunately we have things like the fair trading act so at the end of winter you can send you light back to nitelights for a full refund.
    The XLamp XM-L is the industry’s brightest, highest performance lighting-class LED. With breakthrough light output and efficacy, XM-L is designed for very high-lumen applications such as high-bay or roadway lighting.

    XLamp XM-L LEDs offer the unique combination of very high efficacy at very high drive currents, providing a 20% efficiency gain over the XLamp XP-G LED at the same current. With this available efficacy, XM-L can lower total system cost by reducing the number of LEDs and optics in the system.

    Features

    Delivers 160 Lumens per Watt at 350mA, and 1200 lumens at 4A
    Low thermal resistance: 2.5C/W
    ANSI-compatible chromaticity bins
    Unlimited floor life at ≤ 30C/85% RH
    Reflow solderable - JEDEC J-STD-020C
    Electrically neutral thermal path

    Znomit, info from the horses mouth, CREE that is, however since you are on a personal crusade against everyone except yourself making home made lights then it won't matter.

    Manufacturers claiming 1200 lumens from SSC P7 diodes, not that is dishonest. Our manufacturer went crazy this week when I showed him what some traders on Auction sites were claiming.

    I suppose the fair trading act won't help you as you won't be purchashing any lights considering you build the ultimate system and know everything!
    Last edited by nitelights; 03-29-2011 at 05:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitelights
    Znomit, info from the horses mouth, CREE that is, however since you are on a personal crusade against everyone except yourself making home made lights then it won't matter.
    No they don't.

    I've looked at the cree binning and labeling guide and I get see that at 700mA the U2bin (not available yet I think, more likely T6 which is 280 to 300) gives 300 to 320lm at 700mA. I think you should quote the minimum of the available bin but we will say 320 to push the envelope.
    http://www.cree.com/products/pdf/XLampXM_B&L.pdf

    Now I read the datasheet and it tells me at 3A I get 3.25 times the 700mA output.
    Wow, thats 1040lm. Or only 910 if you use the Min flux from the T6 bin.
    http://www.cree.com/products/pdf/XLampXM-L.pdf


    Hey, and guess what, cree advertise their XML as being 1000lm!
    "Delivers 1000 lumens"
    http://www.cree.com/products/xlamp_xml.asp
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    Quote Originally Posted by znomit
    Spokes the XML LED is rated to 1000lm.

    Claiming 1200 from it is a little dishonest. Fortunately we have things like the fair trading act so at the end of winter you can send you light back to nitelights for a full refund.
    Chur. Im starting to get it a bit now.
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    Oh I see you've edited your post to claim you drive it at 4A now. Makes your 1200lm claim a little less unbelievable....

    Quote Originally Posted by nitelights
    1200 lumens at 4A
    But who knows how long they will last:
    Quote Originally Posted by cree
    Max Current (mA) 3000
    http://www.cree.com/products/xlamp.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by znomit
    Oh I see you've edited your post to claim you drive it at 4A now. Makes your 1200lm claim a little less unbelievable....



    But who knows how long they will last:

    http://www.cree.com/products/xlamp.asp

    Im starting to get concerned that if I use one of these lights I could alter the Space time continuum.

    And still not be able to see.
    Meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydawgnz
    RIghto, the XML is a new type of LED that produces more lumens per watt of power than other LEDs. If one 'drives' and LED hard (more amps) you can get more light. However, this produces more heat and is harsher on components.

    If you interested in our new lights or a current light, drop me a line for more info.

    Cheers

    GWL
    Yes but if you protect it with a thermal overload controller there is nothing to worry about.

    They only get hot when left on, stationary for long periods of time.

    Testing has proved (as you should know Bruce) that running the P7 at 10W does not get the head hot enough to damage the Diode. We have three on the test bed that have run continuously for more than 6 months being powered from a 230V power supply.

    The biggest concern is how much current that you can draw from the battery pack and still have a decent run time for the user.

    Tests over the summer driving the XML diode at 3, 4 and even 5 amps has not produced any "burnt" diodes.

    So not sure how bright your XML light at only 10W draw will be, that is only 1.35A?

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    Gloworm Lites

    Thanks for the input Kel.

    By the way I have chatted to Jerry of Hong Kong Starlights in regards to your new agreement with him. He seems hopeful that the 1200 Lumens will sell well.

    You should be aware by now Jerry was the first supplier I was with, the one you mentioned on Vorb that you had 100% failures from. Lets not banter on forums, its bad form and a waste of time. I've got better things to do.

    And by the way - your comment about 'Gemini Lights being soooo last year' on your Facebook page. Well done, you've sunk to new lows. You're turned to 'bagging' the opposition in order to promote your product, instead of letting the product sell itself through smart marketing........anyway please find below your conversation about your new supplier - Jerry of Hong Kong Starlights.

    Lads,

    I answered all the questions on Dawgs (Bruce's) thread last week so don't plan to go through it all again.

    our Concern is as follows.

    We have bought lights from the same manufacturer as Dawg is using and we had a 100% failure rate. Not immediately but over a few months.

    The quality of these lights is not very high

    Through various threads and forums I offered to show the broken/failed units to Bruce so that he could avoid the costly exercise that we went through.

    I also suggested he should throughly test a product before going to market

    Bruce's last pm to me was that he was going to sit on the lights and give do some testing.

    This thread suggest otherwise as he is already supplying the lights to customers.

    Our major concern is a flood of cheaper quality lights that will hit the market and many will naturally assume that these cheapies are nitelights or Magicshine lights and they are most definitely not.

    It could also be a costly exercise for Bruce in having to honour 12 month warranties.

    So stop the ******** banter and think for a while. I posted Bruces PM because he has posted a number of pm's that I have sent him.

    This is not about trying to protect our market. We are already seeing much competition from the retailers. It is about ensuring a decent quality product is supplied to the consumer.

    END OF


    Vorb Night Lighting Debate

    Good luck for the season and see you at the Moonride!

    Bruce
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    Gemini XML test
    did a test with an LED upgrade, with an XM-L
    for lumen, pi multiplied by my thumb, guess it be around 740 lumen .
    the LED is 20% more efficient, but also runs cooler due better thermal path,
    and 5% less power consumption.
    it's the brightest for a MS type lamp, I've seen.
    note: none of the P7 are driven fully, more like 2.4A instead of 2.8A,
    as it would get to hot for the small housing.
    Gemini available in USA , -> mtbl.robs-x.com
    other notes on the LED upgrade,
    the reflector won't fit, since it sits to high. lenses do work, but some do like the reflector.
    for mtb riding , usually recommend 2 on handlebar and 1 on helmet .
    so if you don't have enough light, probably don't have 3.
    some even go with 2x Lupine Betty/wilma, plus helmet light.
    If you need more light, you'd need more lights, simple. The new LED is for most parts
    a little more efficient, but 15-25%, is not going to compare to having extra lights.
    what be +100-200% .

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