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    Gemini Lights TITAN LED and XERA LED (2012)

    Greetings from Gemini Lights,

    Due to an incoming large number of CREE XM-L units in prep for 2012, we've upgraded our TITAN LED to the XM-L. The SSC-P7 version will still be available for a limited time as we have few remaining stock left. The new beam pattern remains relatively the same with a smoother transition between hotspot and spill.

    Please note there hasn't been any change in prices.

    We're also bringing you a new helmet light called XERA. It's minimal, light weight and aims to be a contender against the wonderful Piko. We've used Lupine's light as the benchmark for quality and performance. For those who love adjustments, XERA is fully programmable in the 4 modes given.

    XERA is available from September 25th onwards.
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    Would be nice to see a few pictures of the Xera.

    How does the new Titan XML perform compared to the P7 version. And is the beam spot, flood, or something in between.
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    Randy,

    Pictures of XERA will be available in a few days and they will be up on our website as well as here.

    The new TITAN XM-L performs better than the P7-D. There is about a 23% increase in brightness and maintains the same runtime of 4hrs 10 mins on High. The beam pattern has an intense hotspot at 12° beam angle with soft edges. Outside of the hotspot has a very even light spill. I do think pictures are worth more than words, so I will include beam shots of the TITAN and XERA too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    Randy,

    Pictures of XERA will be available in a few days and they will be up on our website as well as here.

    The new TITAN XM-L performs better than the P7-D. There is about a 23% increase in brightness and maintains the same runtime of 4hrs 10 mins on High. The beam pattern has an intense hotspot at 12° beam angle with soft edges. Outside of the hotspot has a very even light spill. I do think pictures are worth more than words, so I will include beam shots of the TITAN and XERA too.
    Okay, sounds promising.. Can't wait to see what this XERA looks like. The fact that it is using XM-L emitters and offering different mode options is most interesting. If it has a compact form factor it could be a big seller. My trigger finger is now set on pause.

    I'm also glad to see that you aren't getting rid of the Titan P-7 D's. While I'm sure the new Titan XM-L version is brighter, the narrow beam pattern might not be everyone's cup of tea. I still feel the P-7 versions offer a better over-all beam pattern for bar use. Since the Titans were using the D-bin they looked to be much brighter than the standard MS light heads.

    Anyway, the fact that the new XM-L version is even brighter than your benchmark P-7 D's, ...well....you're likely to sell a bunch of those I'm sure. Especially when you consider that they are standard with 4 modes ( 3 steady state ) and that you are still selling these with your 5200 mAh battery. For people who weren't around last year, the Titan battery was dissected and tested by one of the forum posters ( Baker I believe ) and was found to be of very high quality. ( *Please note , I have no relationship with Gemini and I don't own any of their light sets...yet. ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    We're also bringing you a new helmet light called XERA. It's minimal, light weight and aims to be a contender against the wonderful Piko. We've used Lupine's light as the benchmark for quality and performance. For those who love adjustments, XERA is fully programmable in the 4 modes given.

    XERA is available from September 25th onwards.
    Is this a single XML light? And does it use a reflector or a lens?

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    New XERA LED Light System

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    My trigger finger is now set on pause. ...
    Haha, that made me laugh a little... do you need another light already? Well I guess night riding season is coming soon, so you're forgiven.

    As promised.. here are pictures of the new XERA. We haven't even put them up on our website yet.

    @Langen, it is a single XM-L in a very small package fitted with a custom lens we made. Beam angle is 18° and the pattern is absolutely beautiful. We will get pictures of the XERA helmet mounted and bar mounted tomorrow or the day after.

    Link to XERA's page.

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    To get a better picture on size, here is a crude shot. And please... excuse the awesome purple color.



    And a rough idea on weight.




    There you have it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    Haha, that made me laugh a little... do you need another light already? Well I guess night riding season is coming soon, so you're forgiven.

    As promised.. here are pictures of the new XERA. We haven't even put them up on our website yet.

    @Langen, it is a single XM-L in a very small package fitted with a custom lens we made. Beam angle is 18° and the pattern is absolutely beautiful. We will get pictures of the XERA helmet mounted and bar mounted tomorrow or the day after.

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    Does a junkie need more crack?......

    Looks like the XERA is using an optic. I find this interesting but I'm a bit skeptical because the photos show the outer lens on the optic is designed for dispersion, hence the claimed 18 degree beam pattern angle. Now if this had been designed for bar use I would be all for it but anything using a full dispersion optic or lens will have diminished throw. Not exactly what you want for a helmet lamp. I have a feeling the useful throw on trails will be limited to about 75-100ft... but I do hope I'm wrong about that.

    Just to let you know, I already use a couple XM-L powered helmet lights that have beam patterns that are wider than I would normally like to use. ( very hard to find tight optics for the XML ) -> (...which is why I am always looking for something better. ) Admittedly they do very well in lighting up the trail but there are times I could wish for a more narrow beam pattern ( on the helmet ) to increase throw especially in conditions that are more wet.

    Anyway, I'm not dissing your product. I hope it rocks. Hopefully these will be available as "light head only" for people who already have batteries and mounts ( as price is a bit much@ $150). Now if the XERA can out throw my Geoman MS808E (XM-L) lamp head ( $55...lamp head only ) I will most certainly tip my hat to the Gemini XERA designers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    To get a better picture on size, here is a crude shot. And please... excuse the awesome purple color.

    Is this the Xera also? Does it mean you can have it in both a lens and a reflector version?? A reflector version would be kick-ass!

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    Beamshots

    @Langen

    Yes it is also XERA, donning a purple color. We developed a reflector but decided to use the custom optics because it created the best usable beam pattern. We didn't really prefer the huge wide spill that reflectors give, and we found it was a waste of light. In the beam shots below, you can see that the reflectors in the first two pictures have lots of spill. The outermost halo ends far beyond the frame's edges, almost at 80°. You may also compare how our logo looks on each image.

    Beam shots as requested, managed in a convenient GIF for you..

    Points go to people who can guess what each silhouette of light is.



    Any more requests or queries, please forward them my way. I would be happy to answer your thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post

    Points go to people who can guess what each silhouette of light is.

    ....Any more requests or queries, please forward them my way. I would be happy to answer your thoughts.

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    After the squarish ( Piko?).....old Titan P-7.... newTitan XM-L.... new XERA

    Will any of these be available as "light head only"?

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    You're almost correct. Our beam chart participants:

    1) Magicshine MJ-808 P7
    2) TITAN XM-L
    3) XERA
    4) Lupine Piko 3 (550 lumens)

    I'll adjust the pictures with names.

    Yes, the XERA will be available as a light head only option and the TITAN XM-L is available now.

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    Your TITAN XML is very smooth and that XERA is insane smokes that Piko. I just might have to try that one out. are you ever going to get a US distributor so we don't get hammered on shipping thats the only thing that sours me on it. $22 bucks to ship to California ouch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    Your TITAN XML is very smooth and that XERA is insane smokes that Piko. I just might have to try that one out. are you ever going to get a US distributor so we don't get hammered on shipping thats the only thing that sours me on it. $22 bucks to ship to California ouch.
    Would be nice to see it compared to the 750 Piko. And ditto the shipping fee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    Your TITAN XML is very smooth and that XERA is insane smokes that Piko. I just might have to try that one out. are you ever going to get a US distributor so we don't get hammered on shipping that the only thing that sours me on it. $22 bucks to ship to California ouch.
    The XERA does look like a nice little light. Rakuman, if you get one let me know how it compares to the 808E. The wall shot is impressive but than again these are wall shots. Can't judge throw or over-all beam pattern with wall shots. Still, with that optic most of the light is condensed and forward throwing. It would be real interesting to see how this type of beam pattern looks on actual outdoor terrain. ( hint, hint )

    A few more questions for Gemini:
    Run time for the XERA is listed at 2.5hrs. Is this on high with the 2-cell battery or 4?
    Is there a discount for pre-orders?
    How much for the light head only?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    Your TITAN XML is very smooth and that XERA is insane smokes that Piko. I just might have to try that one out. are you ever going to get a US distributor so we don't get hammered on shipping thats the only thing that sours me on it. $22 bucks to ship to California ouch.
    Thanks very much for the comments. We've worked really hard on these lights and its nice to receive feedback like this.

    We are currently working on US distribution. I am a regular consumer, so I understand your point of view on shipping. Our DHL shipping service is partly subsidized and what you see is basically the best rates they have given us minus a buck or two. We have integrated the free shipping option when you purchase over $299, so I highly recommend rider groups or friends buy together.

    What I'm most excited about, and can't really show you... is the programming we've done to our driver boards. It's truly amazing. Very self intuitive, I would almost place bets that everyone of you will be able to figure out how to use it without reading the user manual (that includes, going into programming mode, adjusting the brightness and mode sequence, flash mode and factory reset function). It's one button, really simple and so effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    The XERA

    A few more questions for Gemini:
    Run time for the XERA is listed at 2.5hrs. Is this on high with the 2-cell battery or 4?
    Is there a discount for pre-orders?
    How much for the light head only?
    2 cell pack. A 2.5 hour burner with 4 cells would be seriously inefficient, and we'd have to go back to the drawing board! But thanks for pointing that out. I will clarify the product specifications.

    Discount for pre-orders? So you mean a discount on a discounted product?

    Well, we can do free shipping for pre-orders on XERA. (Since shipping is such a hot topic!)

    And I think you should get a rep point from everyone who gets this deal now.

    Light head will only be available after the 25th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    @Langen

    Yes it is also XERA, donning a purple color. We developed a reflector but decided to use the custom optics because it created the best usable beam pattern. We didn't really prefer the huge wide spill that reflectors give, and we found it was a waste of light.
    I prefer reflectors over lenses myself - I guess it's a "some like the mother, and others like the daughter"-kinda thing

    Would it be possible to sell the reflector as a loose item, and let the user swap between the lens and the reflector? Or was the reflector beam pattern really that bad?

    edit: A beam pattern along the lines of Magicshine or (even better) Titan would be very good in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by langen View Post
    I prefer reflectors over lenses myself - I guess it's a "some like the mother, and others like the daughter"-kinda thing

    Would it be possible to sell the reflector as a loose item, and let the user swap between the lens and the reflector? Or was the reflector beam pattern really that bad?
    Best analogy ever. Where do you go for your stand-up!

    We're still tweaking the reflector design and it may be available in the future as an accessory. It depends on the outcome of the beam pattern. To best describe the pattern we had, we noted lots of spillage and a very, very intense tight spot with little fade transition around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    2 cell pack. A 2.5 hour burner with 4 cells would be seriously inefficient, and we'd have to go back to the drawing board! But thanks for pointing that out. I will clarify the product specifications.

    Discount for pre-orders? So you mean a discount on a discounted product?

    Well, we can do free shipping for pre-orders on XERA. (Since shipping is such a hot topic!)

    And I think you should get a rep point from everyone who gets this deal now.

    Light head will only be available after the 25th.
    What about a discount for picking up in person?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    We're still tweaking the reflector design and it may be available in the future as an accessory. It depends on the outcome of the beam pattern. To best describe the pattern we had, we noted lots of spillage and a very, very intense tight spot with little fade transition around it.
    I agree that the pattern you describe does not sound very usable for biking.. Hope you manage to tweak into something useful though!

    I am *this* close from pulling the trigger on the Xera..

    edit: One more thing: I really think you should include dimensions and weigth for the lighthead on your website. I think this is a really strong selling point for the Xera

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    Quote Originally Posted by langen View Post
    I agree that the pattern you describe does not sound very usable for biking.. Hope you manage to tweak into something useful though!

    I am *this* close from pulling the trigger on the Xera..

    edit: One more thing: I really think you should include dimensions and weigth for the lighthead on your website. I think this is a really strong selling point for the Xera
    We are hoping as well. We understand that different users have different tastes, and that it may even work better in some applications. We like flexibility and choices.

    And thanks for the suggestion.

    I can't believe I forgot to mention.. and I think its definitely something I should've done. Gemini Lights has a 14 day trial period by default. Go read about it in our FAQ! If you change your mind in the 2 weeks of receiving it, send it back to us and we refund you the total amount including our DHL courier fee. You only risk paying one way return fees to us and you can use the cheapest method. And if you haven't already, you might want to read about our company too. Get to know us.

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    Regard the Xera, any thoughts to providing a tinted lens in red or green. Looks like the Xera would make a great head/helmet type light for hunters. Just need either a red or green beam for entering the woods in the wee morning hours.

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    Also.....the Xera would make a great tail light for night time road riding. So again a red lens would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyharris View Post
    Would be nice to see it compared to the 750 Piko. And ditto the shipping fee.
    Yes, I'd also (really) like to see it compared to the 750 piko which would be more fair than the 550 version.

    The Piko is more than twice the price but I need a light reliable headlamp for night trail running, XC skiing, snowshowing and hiking and the Piko is proven. XERA is very light with nice beam spread for my purposes besides mtn. biking, good price so this is tough choice.

    Also compared to the Magic Shine 808E XM-L would be nice

    Kind of concerned also you're taking pre orders and still working out the final optic setups. Nice offer on the free shipping though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Yes, I'd also (really) like to see it compared to the 750 piko which would be more fair than the 550 version.

    The Piko is more than twice the price but I need a light reliable headlamp for night trail running, XC skiing, snowshowing and hiking and the Piko is proven. XERA is very light with nice beam spread for my purposes besides mtn. biking, good price so this is tough choice.

    Also compared to the Magic Shine 808E XM-L would be nice

    Kind of concerned also you're taking pre orders and still working out the final optic setups. Nice offer on the free shipping though.
    Thanks for the comments. We also think a comparison with the Lupine Piko 750 would be a more fitting. It is something we're extremely curious about, but we can only work with what we have. To be honest, we love the Piko.. be it 550 or 750. The Piko 550 shown is my personal light. We just want to give an alternative to people and at a much better price point.

    XERA optics are completed and as seen in pictures. It's the prototype reflector we were just discussing that is still in development. We opted for the optics instead. I hope this clarifies a few things.

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    Thanks for the suggestions. We may look into that arena.

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    How would we take advantage of the free shipping offer on a pre-order? Thanks for offering that up.

    I assume shipping date would be September 25?

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    That's for the beamshots, but rather than a close up I would like to see a distance more applicable to actual riding at night. Is it possible to get some shots with the same lights with distance markers at increments of 5m? I currently have a geoman MJ808 for the helmet, but the Xera looks like a perfect bar light based on the amount of flood and spill.

    Oh, and you guys are doing good work improving and already great product. A riding buddy has the older Gemini Titan and it's a solid light. I'm glad to see you're innovating and setting yourselves apart from the competition.
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    interested in the XERA.I added to the cart and the shipping still shows $22 for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anekin007 View Post
    interested in the XERA.I added to the cart and the shipping still shows $22 for me.
    Sorry anekin007. The promo was only decided last night. Give us a moment to update.. (i.e few minutes.)

    Edit: Alright, you have the green light. Free Shipping on XERA is enabled until the 25th.

    I had a customer just ask me a question about the head belt and extension cable.
    The XERA LED Light System includes the bar, helmet, head belt mounts and extension cable. There is nothing left out. You can take it with you to do many more things than just cycling.

    As requested... your outdoor shots. Taken with a Canon DSLR: ISO 100, Daylight, F4 and 6 seconds exposure.



    Points to look at and consider..
    Light spill. Look at the bush, up close and bottom right. (Do you have tunnel vision?)
    The beam angle FWHM. (Where does the light intensity end, moving sideways from the hotspot center? Do you see a spot?)
    And of course, throw. (Look down the end of the path. Is there enough front path lighting for high speeds?)
    Wide beam angle and a far throw are inversely proportional. You can find a sweet spot with good balance. Most of all, think about where you actually want your light to shine, so that you may ride most comfortably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    2 cell pack. A 2.5 hour burner with 4 cells would be seriously inefficient, and we'd have to go back to the drawing board! But thanks for pointing that out. I will clarify the product specifications.

    Discount for pre-orders? So you mean a discount on a discounted product?

    Well, we can do free shipping for pre-orders on XERA. (Since shipping is such a hot topic!)

    And I think you should get a rep point from everyone who gets this deal now.

    Light head will only be available after the 25th.
    Yes, by all means...

    Wow! 2.5 hrs on a 2-cell! I almost don't believe you! That's not bad run time for a battery that small.

    The more I look at the XERA the more I like it on several levels. One, it is smaller than other XM-L lights, TWO...it has the mult-mode menu which could be most useful. Three..the new optic which intrigues me. A reflector might offer more throw but since you might offer one in the future that also has me thinking.

    I really don't need another light right now but my trigger finger is twitching almost uncontrollably. Now my hands are shaking....little voices in my head are saying, "You KNOW you want it"! I'm in deep doo-doo now. ( "Hello Paypal",.* wipes sweat from brow* " I want to place an order....hurry, I ain't got all day!!! )

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    I'll tell ya what, those beam shots are impressive ! I have an MJ-808, and if the XERA is actually that much brighter, and full, it's worth considering.

    That much light, with all the extras included (bar & helmet mounts, headband, extension cable), and the extra features (programmable) and with the current free shipping deal, definitely worth considering.

    The only thing that puts me off are the battery and accessory prices on their site. If I bought this light and ever needed another battery or an accessory down the line, I would be looking elsewhere for those things for sure ($17.99 for a Y cable? Come on!).

    But the XERA deal looks quite fair $.

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    Nice, thanks for those shots. The Xera looks perfect!
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    These lights look absolutely brill!! I'm still using my titan P7 and I love it. Damn good deal on the XERA I reckon. What fightnut said.. all the included extras and user programming will be amazing to have. I'll probably get one for my helmet and keep my titan on the bars...

    Might round up some friends for a group buy. I want that free shipping.

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    I have read everything there is on the net about the Gemini Lights. Am seriously looking at getting the Xera with current offer. No place can I find anything about run time on the medium or low setting while using the 2 cell battery. Not sure if I want to get the 2 cell or 4 cell battery. I am considering racing next year and the series requires 2 lights for night riding. What is the weight difference between the 2 batteries? What are the run times 4 cell batteries and could I use 2 lights with the one battery.
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    For trail running

    Besides mtn. biking I need a headlamp for trail running at night (and other suff also) and am trying to buy only 1 headlamp lamp to cover a bunch of bases. The Xera is a very similar weight to the Piko but it's a little bigger overall and I'm wondering how much it might bounce around. Piko is quite compact and tucked in but over twice the price...

    Anyone have some thoughts on this or have you tried to run off road with a lamp like this on your head?
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    Hi TurnerRick,

    The 4-cell battery pack weighs 229g and has a runtime of 4+ hours on High.
    The 2-cell battery pack weighs 122g and has a runtime of 2+ hours on High.

    All 3 beam levels are user configurable to increments of 10%. Here is a breakdown of run time for the 2-cell battery pack.

    For the 2-cell runtimes on different intensities:
    80% - 3 hrs
    60% - 4 hrs 20 mins
    40% - 7 hrs 30 mins
    20% - 15hrs 40 mins

    A 4-cell battery will achieve similar runtime with the 2-cell when split between two lights.

    We know you like pictures, so we've added some new ones for you.





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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    The Xera is a very similar weight to the Piko but it's a little bigger overall and I'm wondering how much it might bounce around. Piko is quite compact and tucked in but over twice the price...
    Hi Skidad,

    XERA may seem bigger in pictures, but in fact it has the same dimensions as the Piko. If you rotate XERA 90 degrees, it has exactly the same length and width. I can have measurement shots up tonight

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    I am looking a light that will pull double duty between biking & running... does the XERA fit that bill with using your Pro Head Belt? (my concern is bounce will running)

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    Greetings from Gemini Lights,

    Due to an incoming large number of CREE XM-L units in prep for 2012, we've upgraded our TITAN LED to the XM-L. The SSC-P7 version will still be available for a limited time as we have few remaining stock left. The new beam pattern remains relatively the same with a smoother transition between hotspot and spill.

    Please note there hasn't been any change in prices.

    We're also bringing you a new helmet light called XERA. It's minimal, light weight and aims to be a contender against the wonderful Piko. We've used Lupine's light as the benchmark for quality and performance. For those who love adjustments, XERA is fully programmable in the 4 modes given.

    XERA is available from September 25th onwards.

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    Hey Gemini lights...thanks for the great pics and quick responses.

    Well, since I can't decide I'm gonna just order both the Piko 750 and the XERA and let the fun begin. How can you go wrong with the free shipping and 14 day trail period on the XERA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Hey Gemini lights...thanks for the great pics and quick responses.

    Well, since I can't decide I'm gonna just order both the Piko 750 and the XERA and let the fun begin. How can you go wrong with the free shipping and 14 day trail period on the XERA?
    I hope you have the time and interest in posting a comparison review of the Piko 750 and Xera, I think a lot of people will be considering those two lights as helmet options.
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    Thanks for the reply, look for my order here soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ott13979 View Post
    I am looking a light that will pull double duty between biking & running... does the XERA fit that bill with using your Pro Head Belt? (my concern is bounce will running)
    The silicone O-ring mount is very solid and carries a lot of friction between the light and the mount. We revised our mount from last year and if you look carefully, we lowered the profile and shrunk everything down. What you get is a rigid, low profile light mounted to your helmet.

    I will also say XERA has left-right, on-the-fly adjustability. You aren't limited to a forward facing beam. The beauty of this is that you can really get creative with your O-ring mounts. You can even mount XERA to your forks and have 360° adjustability. It is true X-Y axis adjustability.

    So not only has our lights improved, but our mount is redesigned as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    What you get is a rigid, low profile light mounted to your helmet.
    I would not call that a low profile helmet light. What is the height of the lighthead and helmet mount assembly? I'd guess well over 2".

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    How long would shipping take once 9/25 comes? So I order it now they become available on 9/25 when could I expect to see it in Boston?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    I would not call that a low profile helmet light. What is the height of the lighthead and helmet mount assembly? I'd guess well over 2".
    I guess low is subjective. In comparison to other lights, it's low and only superseded by the Piko, but you lose handlebar mounting in the same form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    I guess low is subjective. In comparison to other lights, it's low and only superseded by the Piko, but you lose handlebar mounting in the same form.
    Low is subjective and of importance to some and not others. Low to me means that it does not sit higher than the crown of the helmet. Rain soaked branches in the Pacific Northwest hang low in fall and winter. Getting the light whacked out of adjustment by a branch is an annoyance that I prefer to avoid.

    No answer on that height question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    Low is subjective and of importance to some and not others. Low to me means that it does not sit higher than the crown of the helmet. Rain soaked branches in the Pacific Northwest hang low in fall and winter. Getting the light whacked out of adjustment by a branch is an annoyance that I prefer to avoid.

    No answer on that height question?
    The low profile and super low mounting of the Piko is one of the things I love about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    I guess low is subjective. In comparison to other lights, it's low and only superseded by the Piko, but you lose handlebar mounting in the same form.
    There is a "Piko class" mount available from Lupine that is screwed into the bottom so it becomes an o-ring style mount. Quick change from bar to helmet if desired but I think it will add height on a helmet compared to their stock mount.



    Personally I think the Xera is reasonably low profile for the mount style it uses. Any light using this style mount is going to be a higher profile than the Piko. Just no way around it.

    Maybe helmet companies need to start building lights right into the helmet so they look light headlights. That would be cool.....and hot at the same time.

    How long would shipping take once 9/25 comes? So I order it now they become available on 9/25 when could I expect to see it in Boston?
    Since I'm in MA and have already ordered the Xera I'm curious about this also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    Low is subjective and of importance to some and not others. Low to me means that it does not sit higher than the crown of the helmet. Rain soaked branches in the Pacific Northwest hang low in fall and winter. Getting the light whacked out of adjustment by a branch is an annoyance that I prefer to avoid.

    No answer on that height question?
    Vancbiker, I respect your judgement.

    We have no problems with low hanging branches when trail riding on Vancouver Island. We position XERA similarly as shown and sometimes even nearer the brow. In this case, low is not really the word for it anymore as it sits below the helmet crown. The mount places the light forward instead.

    We designed the mount for maximum adjustability and for the way we ride. We wanted the flexibility of X-Y adjustments.

    Quote Originally Posted by flippedr6 View Post
    How long would shipping take once 9/25 comes? So I order it now they become available on 9/25 when could I expect to see it in Boston?
    We hope to have it with you by the 29th or 30th at the latest and we'll definitely try our very best. We are currently shipping to dealers worldwide.
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    I finally decided to pull the trigger but it is still showing $22 for shipping. Im trying to order the XERA with a 4 cell battery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anekin007 View Post
    I finally decided to pull the trigger but it is still showing $22 for shipping. Im trying to order the XERA with a 4 cell battery.
    Thank you. Fixed now.

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    Ordered mine yesterday as well - got the 4 cell larger pack.

    Thanks guys

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    I just made the order. This is my 4th light in 3 months. I like the price and specs. I hope this one is a keeper.

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    Placed the order yesterday, got the 4 cell battery, this is my first light so we will see how it works when it comes in. When do you think you will be shipping the lights?
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    Hi TurnerRick,

    We're aiming to ship all pre-orders on launch date - Sunday, September 25th

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    Hi TurnerRick,

    We're aiming to ship all pre-orders on launch date - Sunday, September 25th
    Awesome, can't wait to get this little sucker

    My Piko X-Duo won't be stateside until maybe the end of Oct.
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    Ordered my.. XERA :-)

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    I was wondering if the shipments went out on time? Thanks for the info

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    Hi flippedr6,

    We've delayed the first shipments of XERA by only a few days. They are now completing the final inspection.

    We hope to have the light in your hands by next Monday. Sorry for the delay.

    Regards,

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    Bummer on the delay in shipping. Hopefully not to long.

    Did you guys from Gemini Lights send any to MTBR for the 2012 light shootout? Might be a good idea to get in on this if you haven't already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Bummer on the delay in shipping. Hopefully not to long.

    Did you guys from Gemini Lights send any to MTBR for the 2012 light shootout? Might be a good idea to get in on this if you haven't already.
    Won't be long we promise.

    We're sending XERA in for a review with Francois

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    Thank you. Fixed now.
    Not entirely, I just got charged it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    Your TITAN XML is very smooth and that XERA is insane smokes that Piko. I just might have to try that one out. are you ever going to get a US distributor so we don't get hammered on shipping thats the only thing that sours me on it. $22 bucks to ship to California ouch.
    On the shipping fee ...

    Welcome to the world of all Canadians who have ever ordered anything from a US website.

    My last order from Jenson was a $40 shipping fee - for USPS and one place didn't disclose shipping until the last stage of the checkout - where it showed up at $96.

    What I find a little surprising is that I got charged the same $22 fee and live in Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    Won't be long we promise.

    We're sending XERA in for a review with Francois
    What light is in the shootout? There's a picture noted Gemini but doesn't show a model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Jack View Post
    Not entirely, I just got charged it.
    Hi Two Jack,

    The free shipping pre-orders ended on the 25th, the launch date for XERA.

    All orders from our website are sent from our factory direct in Hong Kong, so $22 for DHL service is quite honestly the best we can do. Hope you understand!

    Delivery can be achieved in 3 days. However we experienced a 2 day delay with shipments for our pre-orders. All pre-orders should arrive by Monday at the latest.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Jack View Post
    Not entirely, I just got charged it.
    ...And the response from Gemini...
    ...( below )

    Gemini Lights wrote:
    Hi Two Jack,

    The free shipping pre-orders ended on the 25th, the launch date for XERA.

    All orders from our website are sent from our factory direct in Hong Kong, so $22 for DHL service is quite honestly the best we can do. Hope you understand!

    Delivery can be achieved in 3 days. However we experienced a 2 day delay with shipments for our pre-orders. All pre-orders should arrive by Monday at the latest.

    Thanks!

    Chris
    Two Jack, You did miss the announced shipping discount for the pre-orders by two days. Tough luck.

    Gemini Lights, You did miss your planned shipping date by two days. Since this is the grand debut of your newest product ( and a lot of people are watching ) why not give the guy a break? Why spoil his "New light Buzz" with some technical sour grapes vibe? You could just call it "the CMD two day shipping delay discount"......If you do then it will surely be known that you rock.

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    very impressive, thanks for test shots!

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    Two Jack, You did miss the announced shipping discount for the pre-orders by two days. Tough luck.

    Gemini Lights, You did miss your planned shipping date by two days. Since this is the grand debut of your newest product ( and a lot of people are watching ) why not give the guy a break? Why spoil his "New light Buzz" with some technical sour grapes vibe? You could just call it "the CMD two day shipping delay discount"......If you do then it will surely be known that you rock. [/QUOTE]

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    after reading in another thread that you claim 2012 will be an interesting year for lightsI am left wit ha question.

    A buddy and I are about to order a two sets each from Vanessa in Victoria one xera and one titan each. Should we hold of on the order. you hinted at an anouncement in a couple of weeks. What do you think?
    We just live up the road form you guys in Port Alberni on Van Island, its starting to get dark and we are itching to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stinkyto View Post
    after reading in another thread that you claim 2012 will be an interesting year for lightsI am left wit ha question.

    A buddy and I are about to order a two sets each from Vanessa in Victoria one xera and one titan each. Should we hold of on the order. you hinted at an anouncement in a couple of weeks. What do you think?
    We just live up the road form you guys in Port Alberni on Van Island, its starting to get dark and we are itching to ride.
    Interesting.

    Even though I have ordered the Xera, I am thinking of ordering the Dinotte combo of 1200+/400L as well. It is very pricy, but ...

    If there is a good reason NOT to I would love for someone to even just say "don't do that", I am at my house in AZ for the next week and if I place a Dinotte order tomorrow it will be in my suitcase going home next week.

    So ..............

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    Dont do that!!!!!!!! I would wait and see whats coming you might regret it...
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    So have the Xera lights started shipping now? If I was to place an order today, can I for sure get it in 3-4 days?

    Also, does anyone know if DHL charges a brokerage fee at the time of deliver? If they are like UPS then that SUCKS!
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    Greetings from Gemini Lights,

    We are currently experiencing a delay with XERA. We expect to commence shipping in one week (October 7th), which is longer than what we expected. This is largely due to the national holiday in Asia.

    As it stands, we have not yet shipped out any XERA orders yet, and we plan start right after the national holiday.

    We do sincerely apologize for this and are willing to refund any pre-orders right away for those who would not like to wait. Those who accept the refund offered will be given a chance to order again in near future (after the holiday) with the free shipping still enabled.

    Thank you for your patience and kind understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiracing View Post
    So have the Xera lights started shipping now? If I was to place an order today, can I for sure get it in 3-4 days?

    Also, does anyone know if DHL charges a brokerage fee at the time of deliver? If they are like UPS then that SUCKS!
    I'd venture to say they are not shipping yet or Gemini would have chimed in letting us know.

    In his post above the lights are shipping from Hong Kong so 3-4 days is expecting way to much IMO. How about a week to 10 days perhaps is my guess once they ship.

    What's with the brokerage fee? Never heard of that and Gemini assured me they can deliver to my PO box. Sure hope so.
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    Sorry... another question... would the holiday also affect the shipping of the Titan light?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    I'd venture to say they are not shipping yet or Gemini would have chimed in letting us know.

    In his post above the lights are shipping from Hong Kong so 3-4 days is expecting way to much IMO. How about a week to 10 days perhaps is my guess once they ship.

    What's with the brokerage fee? Never heard of that and Gemini assured me they can deliver to my PO box. Sure hope so.
    I think DHL is fine for brokerage... with UPS, they use their in-house service to clear packages through customs into Canada and charge a $35 or so flat fee.

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    Hi Skidad,

    You may have missed my post just before you wrote yours.

    To give more information, on just a 'general notice'.. we have had delays with parts being delivered to us and has pushed our shipping window into the national holiday period which sets us back significantly.

    DHL is able to ship in 3 days to major locations in US & Canada and 4 days at latest to rural destinations.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiracing View Post
    I think DHL is fine for brokerage... with UPS, they use their in-house service to clear packages through customs into Canada and charge a $35 or so flat fee.
    So far we've had no complaints about customs and brokerage fees.

    The TITAN isn't affected in the delays and is shipping on time. If XERA is included in the order then it will have the same issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    So far we've had no complaints about customs and brokerage fees.

    The TITAN isn't affected in the delays and is shipping on time. If XERA is included in the order then it will have the same issue.
    Thank you very much for the quick reply! I think that's the one I will go with. I am desprate for a light; can't miss out on anymore night rides with my buddies

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    In any word on the big anouncment you claimed in another post. I was wondering wether to hold off on my order for a couple of weeks. a Buddy and I are going with a titan plus xera combo....but should I wait

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    Ok, my order has been placed for the Titan with the cree! Can't wait to get it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by stinkyto View Post
    In any word on the big anouncment you claimed in another post. I was wondering wether to hold off on my order for a couple of weeks. a Buddy and I are going with a titan plus xera combo....but should I wait
    This is a tough one.. because we aren't in a position to tell our folks to wait. It's not really ethical/proper to do that. Though being a keen night rider myself, I know how important these decisions are, especially because you plan to use these lights for the long run.

    A good option would be to get the XERA first. You can use it on either the bar or the helmet and run one light for now.. or ride together! If you buy the two XERA's together you qualify for free shipping anyway, and if you buy the new bar light together in 3-4 weeks then you also will qualify for free shipping.

    Of course you can also get the titan now if you need a light, but we will begin shipping XERA officially on the 7th of October. You are eligible for returns on all lights within two weeks of receiving it! (Including you skidad..)

    Did this help you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    Greetings from Gemini Lights,

    We are currently experiencing a delay with XERA. We expect to commence shipping in one week (October 7th), which is longer than what we expected. This is largely due to the national holiday in Asia.

    As it stands, we have not yet shipped out any XERA orders yet, and we plan start right after the national holiday.

    We do sincerely apologize for this and are willing to refund any pre-orders right away for those who would not like to wait. Those who accept the refund offered will be given a chance to order again in near future (after the holiday) with the free shipping still enabled.

    Thank you for your patience and kind understanding.

    Gemini Lights
    Am I missing something here?

    How do I just cancel my order??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Jack View Post
    Am I missing something here?

    How do I just cancel my order??
    Hi TwoJack, I've sent you a PM.

    I've included your order as a 'pre-order'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    Hi TwoJack, I've sent you a PM.

    I've included your order as a 'pre-order'.

    My post count is 7 so I cannot send a PM.

    That means I can't send you a PM to thank you.

    I did send you an email though.

    Thank you.

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    Is the plug on the XERA the same as what Magicshine uses? I'd like to throw a spare battery in my pack just in case a ride got over extended and as a backup. Also, I really like the O-ring mount because I can hook it directly to my helmets (Giro Pneumo or Hex) via a cross vent. Puts the light a lot lower, but hardly any adjustability. Still it works for me with my magicshines. So, it looks like it would work for the XERA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TCW View Post
    Is the plug on the XERA the same as what Magicshine uses? I'd like to throw a spare battery in my pack just in case a ride got over extended and as a backup. Also, I really like the O-ring mount because I can hook it directly to my helmets (Giro Pneumo or Hex) via a cross vent. Puts the light a lot lower, but hardly any adjustability. Still it works for me with my magicshines. So, it looks like it would work for the XERA.
    The Magicshine batteries work for the XERA and likewise the Gemini batteries work for Magicshine lights. However I wouldn't recommend mismatching the chargers, you can read more information about that in my signature.

    The TITAN and XERA mounts to cross vents too, it puts it nice and low. You know your stuff!

    Edit: The up-down adjustability may be slightly more difficult, but XERA has left-right adjustability built in that won't be affected by cross vent mounting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    Hi TwoJack, I've sent you a PM.

    I've included your order as a 'pre-order'.
    Gemini Lights...Well done. Your current status in now at:

    "WE ROCK", level one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post
    The Magicshine batteries work for the XERA and likewise the Gemini batteries work for Magicshine lights. However I wouldn't recommend mismatching the chargers, you can read more information about that in my signature.

    The TITAN and XERA mounts to cross vents too, it puts it nice and low. You know your stuff!

    Edit: The up-down adjustability may be slightly more difficult, but XERA has left-right adjustability built in that won't be affected by cross vent mounting.
    Excellent news, thanks for the info.

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    Kind of an off topic question, but how does your charger/battery make sure each of the cells in the pack are balanced? Is there a chip in the battery that makes sure each cell maintains close to the same voltage as the other cells? I suppose the same question could be asked about the voltage discharge while the light is running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoHeadsBrewing View Post
    Kind of an off topic question, but how does your charger/battery make sure each of the cells in the pack are balanced? Is there a chip in the battery that makes sure each cell maintains close to the same voltage as the other cells? I suppose the same question could be asked about the voltage discharge while the light is running.
    TwoHeadsBrewing, you are correct. The battery pack has a built-in circuit that monitors the internal voltage of each cell and controls the discharge rate via the IC. Having the discharge rate controlled by the IC enables balancing of voltage per cell. In addition to the circuit there is thermal management that is closely integrated with over current protection and a low voltage cut off point.

    The risk of fire and explosion is directly correlated with current overdrive and cell imbalance. So matching the right charger is always the most important thing the end user can do. The low voltage cut off point aids the battery's lifespan so it's not always completely discharged and also prevents higher differences in cell voltage.

    Samsung provides good quality cells that are matched very closely so there's not much to worry about cell imbalance there.

    The smart charger is rated at the right current and a 8.4v maximum. There is a cutoff point in the circuit to prevent over voltage, which is a little higher than 8.4v.

    Regards,

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    Good info, thanks!
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    I'm about to pull the trigger on some lights for riding in Squamish. Ideally I would like to get a set for my bars and helmet.

    The other front runner is the Magic Shine MJ-872 XP-G which can be had for the same price and has twice the claimed output.

    What are the advantages/disadvantages of the XERA relative to the Magic Shine stuff? My concerns are output, run time, durability (waterproof), and mounting systems since our trails are rough and will rattle the lights constantly.

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    Hey hurricanejoal, i live in Squamish and do a lot of night riding here. First thing you should look at is reliability because in our demografic as you know it's very wet here. I would stay away from the MS stuff only because you will find by reading the history of even the newer stuff that they are not built to handel our wet climate. Also MS's output claims are over stated vs many of the top brands out there.

    I have a Gemini Titan, last years P-7 D-bin. Compared to my MS it is of better quality and brightness. I have a Xera on the way and will be able to have a review on it's reliability in some time,and performance vs my Titan.

    The MEC in North Vancouver has the new Cygolite Turbo 740 XML $169. Last i checked the shipment was delayed but if built like my TridenX is worth a look as i never had a problem with my Triden X and it's been through the ringer. Cheers!!!

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    Are they the same size as the magicshine? Are the lens interchangable with magicshine custom lenses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by indebt View Post
    Hey hurricanejoal, i live in Squamish and do a lot of night riding here. First thing you should look at is reliability because in our demografic as you know it's very wet here. I would stay away from the MS stuff only because you will find by reading the history of even the newer stuff that they are not built to handel our wet climate. Also MS's output claims are over stated vs many of the top brands out there.

    I have a Gemini Titan, last years P-7 D-bin. Compared to my MS it is of better quality and brightness. I have a Xera on the way and will be able to have a review on it's reliability in some time,and performance vs my Titan.

    The MEC in North Vancouver has the new Cygolite Turbo 740 XML $169. Last i checked the shipment was delayed but if built like my TridenX is worth a look as i never had a problem with my Triden X and it's been through the ringer. Cheers!!!
    ...So you're squeamish about the MS in Squamish...( sorry, I couldn't resist... ) Okay, dumb jokes aside, nice to see you have an array of lights to compare and to chose from. Because of that you are now on my "posters to watch list". I can't wait to hear what you think about the XERA.

    So what set-up ( or combo ) are you currently riding with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurricanejoel View Post
    I'm about to pull the trigger on some lights for riding in Squamish. Ideally I would like to get a set for my bars and helmet.

    The other front runner is the Magic Shine MJ-872 XP-G which can be had for the same price and has twice the claimed output.

    What are the advantages/disadvantages of the XERA relative to the Magic Shine stuff? My concerns are output, run time, durability (waterproof), and mounting systems since our trails are rough and will rattle the lights constantly.
    We've been asked this question before - how does the Magicshine MJ-872 compare to the XERA?

    I haven't had any personal experience with the Magicshine MJ-872, so I can't give a good comparison. However going over GeomanGear's specs on the MJ-872 it seems that it does have a higher lumen output than the XERA, so going by that it would be more powerful.

    XERA is designed to be a lightweight helmet light, similar to the Lupine Piko. The MJ-872 is more of a bar light with flood pattern. It also a good to have a ratio of 2:1 handlebar to helmet output.

    XERA is half the size and weight of the MJ-872. The beam pattern is really nice to use on the trail. It lights up wide enough and has enough throw for even the fastest riders. It's definitely not a spot pattern like the reflector lights on the market. Having tried both, our preference swayed towards optics.

    We highly encourage testing the XERA for yourself. If ever you feel you made the wrong choice, or that it's not the right light for you, we offer you a full refund.

    We are just as excited as you are to get XERA in your hands and we are very sorry for the delay. China's national holiday has started already and is rather unavoidable.

    A new Gemini bar light is in the works. Estimated launch is 3-4 weeks from now and will be a triple XM-L. It is larger than XERA but smaller than the TITAN.

    We'll give you the updates as we go on! Check our facebook or our news page for more information as well.

    Happy rides.

    Chris

    PS: Go to page 1 of this thread to take a look at beam patterns.. or click on these links below:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini Lights View Post

    A new Gemini bar light is in the works. Estimated launch is 3-4 weeks from now and will be a triple XM-L. It is larger than XERA but smaller than the TITAN.
    This is exciting! Can you share any more details? Beam angle, # of watts, etc?

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