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    [QUOTE=fightnut;10771030]
    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    It's a little bigger...but a LOT brighter.
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    I would disagree.

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    Of course you would...

    It's brighter. You can't argue with that.
    Size? If the size is that big of a deal....go with the dimmer light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post
    Of course you would...

    It's brighter. You can't argue with that.
    Size? If the size is that big of a deal....go with the dimmer light.
    No need to get butthurt because I disagree with you on a couple things.
    Man, must be the change in weather or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post
    Gharddog, do you have any calipers to measure your Gemini?
    I get 44mm wide x 34.4mm deep (front to back) x 24.2mm high (not including mount) for the Duo clone with my digital calipers.
    My Gemini Duo measures basically those same dimensions with my cheap plastic calipers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klydesdale View Post
    My Gemini Duo measures basically those same dimensions with my cheap plastic calipers.
    Copy that. Used a plastic ruler I had laying around and pretty much dead on with the same dimensions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoney View Post
    In regards to Cat-man-do looking for a SSX2 with XM-L2 (U2). Is this what you are looking for:
    Black Color SolarStorm X2 2*Cree XM-L2 2200-Lumen Led Bike Light Without Battery Pack - Bicycle Lights Lamp Cap - Bicycle Light & Headlamp Worldwide Free Shipping!!!

    I have been reading through pages and pages of posts trying to educate my self on the current options and like most people trying to get the most bang for my buck and spend as little as possible at the same time. My wife is not convinced that I even need lights. So I am looking at maybe ordering the above. With a better battery.

    Would it be a bad idea to even just order 2 of these?
    Thanks b$. The link you posted is likely for XM-L2's using the standard T-6 bin. These will be very bright but I'm going to hold out for the U2 version. I just like the whiter tint. Currently I have the SSX2 with standard XM-L (U2) ....which is the first XM-L U2 version. When these are released with the second U2 version they will be even more awesome.

    b$, if you buy two of these XM-L2 (T-6) I don't think you will be disappointed...however....one of these 880 clones might be better for the bars because of the wider beam pattern. Find one with XM-L2's and that would be even better.

    Wifey should have no problem with you buying a couple "emergency home illumination light-sets"...yes, yes...in a power outage these babies will light your house for about 6 hours when on low. With two going you have all the light you need ( including one for the bedroom if you catch my drift... )

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    [QUOTE=fightnut;10771393]
    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post

    No need to get butthurt because I disagree with you on a couple things.
    Man, must be the change in weather or something.
    I'm old. My butt is sensitive.
    But my brighter light helps a little.....and little is subjective ;^)

    Seriously....the Duo and it's clones are frikkin amazing for their brightness and their tiny size. When I saw the first one last year...I laughed until the lady turned it on.

    I am flip flopping on the Duo clone and a SSx2 to replace my Hi-Max XML U2 helmet light.

    But with the buzz about the possible Xm_l2 U2...or better...

    I still have my Vista Lite dual 10w set up from 1991....like 2 birthday candles on your bars. They were awesome back then

    Then I got the Nite Sun Team Issue ( which I still have )....

    I guess we have real 1st world problems arguing over bike lights, right?

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    Vista Lites..I had the 2x10w and 1 wt circa '95. I remember the older ones like you are talking about. The new cheap LEDs are amazing compared to those old lights.

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    [QUOTE=the mayor;10772965]
    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post

    I guess we have real 1st world problems arguing over bike lights, right?
    Agreed! We do tend to get a bit obsessive over lights in this forum at times.
    I just need to bundle up, step away from the keyboard, and go ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Then I got the Nite Sun Team Issue ( which I still have )....
    You can convert it into a modern light.

    Convert Nightsun to LED 400 to 500+ lumens

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
    You can convert it into a modern light.

    Convert Nightsun to LED 400 to 500+ lumens
    LOL...bubs you really dug that one up now didn't you. That thread is from back in 2008. All the links are outdated and dead. When you can buy a twin XM-L lamp head for about $26 all the conversions make no sense anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    LOL...bubs you really dug that one up now didn't you. That thread is from back in 2008. All the links are outdated and dead. When you can buy a twin XM-L lamp head for about $26 all the conversions make no sense anymore.
    5 secs using a search engine. It can be cheaper than $26, how much is two mr16 triple cree bulbs? $5 each? Pretty sure they're dirt cheap on ebay.

    Yeah, I rather get an xml dual ssx2 lighthead from lightmall for $22 instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
    5 secs using a search engine. It can be cheaper than $26, how much is two mr16 triple cree bulbs? $5 each? Pretty sure they're dirt cheap on ebay.

    Yeah, I rather get an xml dual ssx2 lighthead from lightmall for $22 instead.
    He, he...I hear ya. When you factor in the problem of doing the DIY conversion, finding a compatible battery and having no mode changes the $22-$27 lamp head is a real no-brainer. Back then when the cheap P-7 torches came along almost no one talked about conversions anymore.

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    edit: nevermind ...

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    Anyone seen or tried this one? Light head only....$40...XM-L U2s....

    Nitefighter BT20 1200 Lumen 4 Mode Bike Light Head Only with O Rings | eBay
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    I think KD MJ 880 clone or SS X2/X3 is better option ...

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    Finnaly, I`ve got it!
    It is indeed very small and light...compared to MJ808 P7 and MJ872

    It is right between MJ808 P7 and MJ872. That goes for beam pattern and amount of light-
    I would say around 1000-1100lm
    I am very impressed with the build quality but disappointed with charger. It cuts off at 8,2V. That is waaay to early.
    I will post trail beamshots in a week (including MJ808, MJ808e, MJ880, MJ872, MJ880 clone, 3xXML clone, SS2X, Lupine Tesla)

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    Sweet. Patiently waiting for the beam shots.

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    Wow...I had no idea how small these actually are! Yes..looking forward to beam shots. I really want either a genuine Duo or one of these clones..look so cool.
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    Here are some quick shots

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhocewar View Post
    Here are some quick shots
    Nice comparison! Very well done. A couple of questions for you. Which MJ880 clone do you have, the one from KD? Do you have the genuine MJ872 or the $30 clone? I always like the ability of the MJ872 clone to evenly light the near field. Is it the xml solarstorm or the xm-l2?

    The dual emitter lights are clearly superior to the single emitter lights. It looks like the Yinding (Duo clone) has the best throw, but that could just be a function of how it's aimed (slightly higher?). They are all pretty similar really, but the Solarstorm has the brightest hot spot. It's tough to pick a favorite. I would probably go with the MJ880 clone or the Duo clone, because of the even beam in both near- and far-field.

    I'm really impressed with the Duo clone. How are they pumping out this much light in such a small housing without overheating the light? Does it get hot, or is it a superior design?

    The 872 is good if you want a really bright near-field, maybe for tricky root or rock sections. It obviously has bad throw. The three dual-emitter lights are probably a better buy for most people.

    Based on the picture Modig posted, the triple xml is also a good bet. It's has a proven track record, and it appears to be somewhat brighter then the three major dual emitter lights (880 clone, Solarstorm X2, Gemini Duo clone). The triple can be had for pretty cheap now, I'm sure. There's also the option of buying these lights as light-heads-only. That's especially good if you already have decent battery from action led or xeccon. The Solarstorm and the KD 880 clone are both available that way.

    It seems that we have reached a new standard for cheap lights and a new era of night riding. It's probably enough for most riders to ride at their day time speeds without too much worry. The doubles are definitely in and singles are out. These new lights really open up the world of night riding for everyone.

    In my opinion, the better the cheap lights get, the harder it is to justify the $200 minimum for the "good" lights. I feel sorry for the guys who only buy their lights at the bike store. $100 buys you a 400 lumen light that last 1.5 hours. $100 sent to China buys you two complete sets of lights that are two to three times as bright and last for twice as long! If you read the bike magazine this entire segment of lights, i.e. Chinese imports, is virtually ignored. If it wasn't for this forum, I would have never known this stuff was out there. Thanks guys.

    Happy night riding everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhocewar View Post
    Here are some quick shots
    That 808 XML looks a lot nicer than the P7...man...I really need to upgrade
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    bhocewar, is there a chance the MJ872 was aimed a little lower then the others?

    Great comparison of lights by the way.

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    Very nice. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Do you have the genuine MJ872 or the $30 clone?
    It is original Magicshine.

    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Is it the xml solarstorm or the xm-l2?
    XML u2 from aliexpress, the first one that was selling for $33.

    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    It looks like the Yinding (Duo clone) has the best throw, but that could just be a function of how it's aimed (slightly higher?).
    SSX2 and MJ880 clone have noticeable better throw. They are also brighter. It doesn't have such spot it is floodier so it is hard to aim them the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post
    bhocewar, is there a chance the MJ872 was aimed a little lower then the others?
    No, it is veeery floody. It doesn't have any throw.

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    The 872 appears to have a nice flood.

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