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    So I took the plunge and bought one of these clones (maybe this is a clone of a clone) from ebay: 4 Modes Waterproof 2300LM Cree XM L U2 LED Bicycle Light Battery Pack Charger | eBay
    I don't know what happened with the price as yesterday it was $37.77 but today it is $59.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rim21 View Post
    So I took the plunge and bought one of these clones (maybe this is a clone of a clone) from ebay: 4 Modes Waterproof 2300LM Cree XM L U2 LED Bicycle Light Battery Pack Charger | eBay
    I don't know what happened with the price as yesterday it was $37.77 but today it is $59.
    This is the clone of the Yinding clone that is a clone of the Gemini Duo..so yes...clone of a clone!

    Edit. Opps...I am wrong (per post below) - this is just the clone of the Gemini..not the clone of a clone. I should have looked at the pics closer.
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    I believe the ebay light listed above is a clone of a Gemini light and not a clone of a clone
    1. It says yinding on the back
    2. The clone of a clone does not have 2 front facia screws instead it locks everything together with 2 screws located underneath the light.

    Oh and if you read the description the quantity says 2 so maybe that's why the price went up???

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    Comparo with 808 P7s.
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    Ok...I swear...last post

    The cord length...perfect-o. V. short off the light and the battery is short as well...I hate long cords for the bar light as I run my battery on my top tube near the front. I don't have to wrap it at all!
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    The Chinese often put XM-L2 LEDs onto "XM-L" printed boards; no worries if you ever see those. To go along with that, just because the board may say "U2" doesn't mean it is one. I believe that very often the emitters are lower bins than advertised (because 99% of people can't tell and won't tell the difference). They probably frequently use the "T6" bins as they are so common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrybunk View Post
    To go along with that, just because the board may say "U2" doesn't mean it is one. I believe that very often the emitters are lower bins than advertised (because 99% of people can't tell and won't tell the difference). They probably frequently use the "T6" bins as they are so common.

    -Garry
    I too believe this. I'd guess they are using T6 at best. More likely T5. A while back I compared pricing from a volume LED supplier and the T5 was over a dollar less than a U2. The temptation by the manufacturer to save over $2 per light would be irresistible at the low prices these sell for.

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    Hey Gemini heads...
    I like this light,and my friend bought one from Action LED....So I am going in this direction....

    How would you describe the difference in a yinding versus the $115 Action LED 'Gemini lighthead'...
    Obviously the Yinding is alot cheaper, but is it horrendous quality in comparison?
    I fully intend to fab a battery pack out of the Keeppower cells I have, and also use the quality charger I have...

    So for me, I need a light head, or two
    Question is , $115 gemini or a cheap Yinding gemini........
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    To me, it's a $75 difference for a higher quality unit with a warranty, after/pre sale service, and spport a reputable dealer (action). If I were going to use it a lot, I would get the Gemini. If you want to fart around with budget lights and are willing to deal with a potential of trail failure to save some $, get the Yinding.

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    Re: Gemini Duo clones

    My ghetto-fabulous Yinding set up with the cheap-o battery held on with an Awesome Strap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CdaleTony View Post
    Hey Gemini heads...
    I like this light,and my friend bought one from Action LED....So I am going in this direction....

    How would you describe the difference in a yinding versus the $115 Action LED 'Gemini lighthead'...
    Obviously the Yinding is alot cheaper, but is it horrendous quality in comparison?
    I fully intend to fab a battery pack out of the Keeppower cells I have, and also use the quality charger I have...

    So for me, I need a light head, or two
    Question is , $115 gemini or a cheap Yinding gemini........
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    I have both, with both running off a magicshine 2 cell battery. I can't tell them apart when I use them. I assume the Gemini is better quality, but I won't know until the Yinding fails. The battery supplied with the Yinding works OK, but I prefer a 2 cell on my helmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CdaleTony View Post
    Hey Gemini heads...
    I like this light,and my friend bought one from Action LED....So I am going in this direction....

    How would you describe the difference in a yinding versus the $115 Action LED 'Gemini lighthead'...
    Obviously the Yinding is alot cheaper, but is it horrendous quality in comparison?
    I fully intend to fab a battery pack out of the Keeppower cells I have, and also use the quality charger I have...

    So for me, I need a light head, or two
    Question is , $115 gemini or a cheap Yinding gemini........
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    First thing you need to do with the Yinding is tear it down and check everything, had the wires to the LED board bunched behind it in the TIM only partial heatsink contact, doubt that happens on the Gemini. Fit and finish definitely a bit on the inconsisten side for the Yinding. The biggest functional difference is the modes, Gemini has very nice programmable UI, the Yinding is fixed though the levels are pretty well thought out at least for me, YMMV.

    As mentioned, if something goes wrong you're probably on your own with the Yinding. Gemini has a support system.

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    I jus don't see the big thing with modes, for my riding. I ride 1-2 hours (at most!) and run my lights on full the whole time...no need to dim them or save battery life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    I jus don't see the big thing with modes, for my riding. I ride 1-2 hours (at most!) and run my lights on full the whole time...no need to dim them or save battery life.
    On high they tend to cook on the steeper climbs.

    I've been using this mainly as a backup on the roadie and low mode (plus a little use of medium on downhills) lasts a full night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by znomit View Post
    On high they tend to cook on the steeper climbs.

    I've been using this mainly as a backup on the roadie and low mode (plus a little use of medium on downhills) lasts a full night.
    Just ride up the climbs faster
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    Here is my bar set up, its a yinding light from ALI express which was on sale for $45 (I bought 2) and has the standard lenses,

    I have shortened the connection wire on the Light head and installed a hope QR mount, I also bought a Hunk_lee 3x 3400 mah 2 cell battery changed the cable to a magic shine style, I wrapped the battery in heat shrink and plasti-dipped it as well.
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    This is my helmet light set up which I also bought from Ali express, I am yet to shorten the cable on the light head, I have changed the lenses to a 10 degree spot lenses which works great. I mount the light with the standard o-ring set-up and there is a little centre ridge on my helmet and the angle is spot on.
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    I normally ride around 2 - 3 hours and with the battery packs I have I get 1:45 on high but when I ride I switch modes to suit the terrain so when climbing its on low etc. I have been thinking about a couple of remote switches but I hate clutter, I'm with TiGeo I hate the long cables which come with the lights and battery packs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    My ghetto-fabulous Yinding set up with the cheap-o battery held on with an Awesome Strap.

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    Off topic dude how wide are your bars?

    And to add still no light or refund from DX.

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    Well after reading through this novel, you all pressured me to order one from Wallbuys. Hopefully it gets here soon. Thanks for all the great info folks.

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    Hmmm... was just on the Wallbuys site and somehow managed to purchase one of the Yinding XM-L2 T6's... not really sure how that happened?

    Do I need it.... no, not at all....

    Are my MJ872's perfectly adequate.... yes, of course they are....

    But when I read this, I gotta have one for gadget factor alone....
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    Holy crap It's so freaking SMALL!
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    Got thermal paste ready for it's arrival.... CHECK!

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    Help me out as a new guy to these lights. Where exactly are you advocating the application of thermal paste?

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    The Yinding shouldn't need any and is ready to as-is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearhunter View Post
    Help me out as a new guy to these lights. Where exactly are you advocating the application of thermal paste?
    It may or may not, but if you remove the 2 front screws and remove the lenses etc, there's a board with the LEDs sitting under them, the thermal paste is between that and the body. Both of mine had sufficient paste but I don't think it was quality stuff so I added some good stuff. Also one of my Yindings had the wires that connect to the face of the LED board bunched under the LED board itself so it was not making full contact with the body. Just disassemble first and make sure everything looks assembled correctly.

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    Hey thanks guys, I appreciate it!

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    Hey guys,

    For those that ordered through Wallbuys, did you do it on a PC or through the mobile site on your phone?

    I tried to place an order via a PC at work (which did not work due to firewalls), and noticed that it asks you for the country you live in, and your phone number.

    Anyway, I ended up placing the order via the mobile site on my phone, but it did not prompt me for the country or phone number. I assume my paypal confirmation is good enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrybunk View Post
    Just spotted a Gemini Duo clone on Amazon (sellers appears to be in China) with the 10 step "stepless adjusted" driver and XM-L2's. Little pricey at $63.17.

    -Garry
    This looks like the same unit being sold for less at lightmalls:

    2xCree XM-L2 2500-Lumen With 2 group modes LED Bicycle Light With Charger & 6*18650 Battery Set - 2LED Bike Light - LED Bicycle Lights - Bike Lights & Headlamps Worldwide Free Shipping!!!

    I'm planning on ordering a couple sets... Anyone have any feedback on this unit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearhunter View Post
    Hey guys,

    For those that ordered through Wallbuys, did you do it on a PC or through the mobile site on your phone?

    I tried to place an order via a PC at work (which did not work due to firewalls), and noticed that it asks you for the country you live in, and your phone number.

    Anyway, I ended up placing the order via the mobile site on my phone, but it did not prompt me for the country or phone number. I assume my paypal confirmation is good enough?
    From a PC - no issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slabber View Post
    This looks like the same unit being sold for less at lightmalls:

    2xCree XM-L2 2500-Lumen With 2 group modes LED Bicycle Light With Charger & 6*18650 Battery Set - 2LED Bike Light - LED Bicycle Lights - Bike Lights & Headlamps Worldwide Free Shipping!!!

    I'm planning on ordering a couple sets... Anyone have any feedback on this unit?
    That is the clone of the Yinding (clone of a clone). Someone here has a review...search through the posts related to the Yinding or the Gemini Duo clone..there are a few different threads and I can't remember which one has this. Not as nice as the Yinding is what I recall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    From a PC - no issues.
    Thanks TiGeo, I'm hoping since I did it through mobile and wasn't prompted for country and phone number that I will be good. It just went straight to PayPal. Should be just like buying in eBay, I imagine.

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    Exactly the same.

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    Thanks brother. Looking forward to receiving it. Hope it's quick, as I have a different purchase off eBay that is still in China somewhere.

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    It was 3 weeks order to door and the tracking worked fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    It was 3 weeks order to door and the tracking worked fine.
    Tracking off their website based off order number I assume?

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    Yep. Order number will be found from paypal.

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    Thanks again TiGeo!

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    SecurityIng 2 x Cree headlamp

    Anyone own one of these? SecurityIng® 2 x CREE XM-L T6 LED 3-Mode 1800LM Headlamp, CREE LED Lamp Headlight with Adjustable Base (No Battery) - Led Lights - Amazon.com

    I recently purchased another, single-led headlamp and easily converted it for helmet use (elastic slips out, velcro goes in), so I'm tempted to try this one with dual Cree setup.

    I've noted the runtimes for 2-cell lamps like the Duo and it seems that with 2 LEDs, you get a decent runtime and lumens if you run them off of max, as opposed to turbo/high mode on a single LED.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diylighter View Post
    Anyone own one of these? SecurityIng® 2 x CREE XM-L T6 LED 3-Mode 1800LM Headlamp, CREE LED Lamp Headlight with Adjustable Base (No Battery) - Led Lights - Amazon.com

    I recently purchased another, single-led headlamp and easily converted it for helmet use (elastic slips out, velcro goes in), so I'm tempted to try this one with dual Cree setup.

    I've noted the runtimes for 2-cell lamps like the Duo and it seems that with 2 LEDs, you get a decent runtime and lumens if you run them off of max, as opposed to turbo/high mode on a single LED.

    Thanks in advance.
    Wrong thread..this is for the Gemini Duo clones...
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    I just bought a second Yinding (thanks TiGeo for the coupon hookup) to replace a 3X XML2 U2 Stepless that I was less than impressed with. I got my first Yinding early on from Aliexpress and other than stripped screws on the front plate it has worked perfectly. It overpowers the 3X (low on Yinding is medium on 3X) and the color difference bugged me so I decided to just run 2 Yindings, which is what I should have done to begin with.

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    8 or 9 weeks still no light or refund.
    DX.com :banghead:


    Aliexpress Another site to look at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke&Lasers View Post
    8 or 9 weeks still no light or refund.
    DX :banghead:
    Aliexpress Another site to look at.
    Don't tell me that... Who did you order from?

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    Don't tell me that... Who did you order from?
    It's right in his post. DX.

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    Whoops I'm on my phone and I thought it was part of his "banghead" image code.

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    No but it could be DX new logo.

    Aliexpress lightmalls wallbuys & Fast.... website are they sister companies of DX.com ?

    Just looked lightmalls don't sell Yinding.
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    So I see two versions, one says xml2 and the other XML-U2 Is one better than the other?

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    Get the XML2..its the newest version. The board says U2 but the LEDs have been replaced with the L2 version. This is all based on some of the tear-down threads on this light.
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    Thanks for the info. Just ordered the xml2 version, it was only $2 more than the xml u2 version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tbone77 View Post
    Thanks for the info. Just ordered the xml2 version, it was only $2 more than the xml u2 version.
    Exactly..why not get the latest and greatest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    Get the XML2..its the newest version. The board says U2 but the LEDs have been replaced with the L2 version. This is all based on some of the tear-down threads on this light.
    TiGeo, I see you're in CA as well. When purchasing this through this Wallbuys' website, what shipping method did you choose?

    Seems like there's 4 "free shipping" versions but I've never heard of any of these carriers nor ever seen them here as delivery trucks.

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    Also, just to be sure, this is the version that has the latest LEDs?
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    I am in VA..not CA. The one in the link is the right one. I chose EMS (the one with USA in it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    I am in VA..not CA. The one in the link is the right one. I choose EMS (the one with USA in it).

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    OH my bad - for some reason I thought I read CA, doh!

    You know, I was thinking the same thing too, choose the one that has the word USA in it but what caught me off guard is the fact that everytime I select it, the 'Ship my orders(s) to' menu changes to: "AE-United Arab Emirates"

    If I go back and change that pull down to US, a $2.42 charge pops up for EMS.

    This is why I figured I'd ask.
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    Not sure on that one...I remember the happening but I got free shipping.

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    I used the mobile website on my phone to make the purchase, I don't remember if I had a choice or not. I did get a tracking number that begins with "LN" and it it shows up in USPS tracking as processing order for shipment (as of this morning). Did yours come via USPS?

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    No idea..can't remember. It showed up..thats all I know. I just played around on the Wallbuys site; I was able to choose US and the EMS without a charge.
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    I posted 2 weeks ago that I took the plunge and bought the Yinding clone through ebay for a nice price and today I received the delivery. Umm yeah I will simply repeat all the 'wow' comments that came before me - love the size etc. Of course need to use it in anger to see how well it will perform for me.

    The funny thing is that it came in a Securitylng box where the picture on the front is a single lens light so I thought I got the wrong delivery - but I didn't. Really happy for the price.

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    My tracking says it processed through Jamaica, NY, so hopefully it won't be that much longer. I was pretty surprised how fast it got from China to NY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearhunter View Post
    I used the mobile website on my phone to make the purchase, I don't remember if I had a choice or not. I did get a tracking number that begins with "LN" and it it shows up in USPS tracking as processing order for shipment (as of this morning). Did yours come via USPS?
    Yeah, last mile was USPS.

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    Looks like I may get it tomorrow (hopefully). It was processed through about 1 1/2 hrs away from me about 30 minutes ago. That's pretty impressive 7 days from package acceptance in China.

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    You will be stoked when you get it.

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    Yeah I'm looking forward to it for sure. I don't remember from reading all the previous posts, but did you end up getting an aftermarket handlebar mount, or is the mounting system that comes with it good enough?

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    I am fine with the rubber band type..works great for me. Simple and effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    I am fine with the rubber band type..works great for me. Simple and effective.

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    Excellent thank you!

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    This light is small and lite enough that the rubber o-ring mount are sufficient.

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    I did get it today and just mounted it. It is everything you guys have said it was. It's awesome, very happy with the purchase! I mounted it close to the stem, and since the bar is wider at that location, I had to build up the underside with some rubber splicing tape for full contact. Tested the light real quick, and it works great. I have the batteries trickle charging right now.

    Very impressed with Wallbuys as well. 7 days from time they shipped to my door.

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    This thing is flipping impressive. Hard to get a pic of what the actual output looks like on my phone. Here it is on the high setting.

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    Looks very cool on the fatty & seven days to US.

    I got the bank involved with none deliver or refund. Once sorted will buy from Wallbuys to UK

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    Thanks Smoke,

    I've been toying around with the mounting location of the battery pack. It fits great on top of the stem, but then you have the wires to deal with. I think I'm going to get a tank bag and stuff the batteries and excess wires in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robs31 View Post
    This light is small and lite enough that the rubber o-ring mount are sufficient.
    Even with the larger/heavier MS-808 the band mount works fine to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearhunter View Post
    Thanks Smoke,

    I've been toying around with the mounting location of the battery pack. It fits great on top of the stem, but then you have the wires to deal with. I think I'm going to get a tank bag and stuff the batteries and excess wires in there.
    I wrapped the excess battery wire around the battery, zip-tied it, and stuffed the whole thing in the nylon pouch it came with. I cut off the strap (I use an Awesome Strap from backcountry.com) and it seems to work just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    I wrapped the excess battery wire around the battery, zip-tied it, and stuffed the whole thing in the nylon pouch it came with. I cut off the strap (I use an Awesome Strap from backcountry.com) and it seems to work just fine.
    Yeah I noticed that. You have it mounted to your top tube right? I didn't realize that you wrapped the wire around the battery and put it back in the pouch. Good idea

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    That is a great idea, on my other light I have the cable bundled up outside the pouch

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    Played around with a stem bag and I didn't like it. I wrapped the cord around the battery, and inserted it into the case like TiGeo mentioned, and also wrapped the excess cord coming from the light around the stem. When I mount the case it covers everything up. I like this a lot better.

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    Has anyone ordered successfully through fasttech.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTroy View Post
    Has anyone ordered successfully through fasttech.com
    Haven't ordered clone lights but have ordered some lenses for it successfully thru Fasttech, they take a long time just about gave up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal_jack View Post
    Haven't ordered clone lights but have ordered some lenses for it successfully thru Fasttech, they take a long time just about gave up.
    gotcha hmm I'm thinking of going with wallbuys

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    Well I played the lottery again and this time I lost. I ordered the T6-3B from Wallbuys and it is not a 3B tint like the one I got from Aliexpress a few months ago. It does have XML2 emitters but had the flat lenses, says 2xL2 (other is 2xU2), is slightly shorter and the button protrudes further from the body. I'll do a full write up comparison in the next couple of days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTroy View Post
    gotcha hmm I'm thinking of going with wallbuys
    When I ordered lenses thru LED DNA.com took about 2 weeks maybe, Fasttech took almost 5 weeks.

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    Wallbuys has 3 weeks for me and less for someone else that recently purchased..no-brainer..go with Wallbuys! Buddy of mine was so stocked on my Yinding he is ordering a few and I am grabbing a second from him for my helmet..may look at changing up the optics to give a more narrow/focused beam on the helmet and leave the bar as it is.
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    Mine just came in and it looks like my chinese gamble didn't go so well.

    Upon full charge, on high, it immediately drops to red as if the battery is not fully charged. I have an old 'Magicshine 808E clone' battery pack and charger which I think is the same thing. I'll see if i can find out what's faulty.

    Also, anyone notice this light buzzes pretty loud? Especially on the lower settings. I don't even have to put my ear up to it in a quite room, thing just buzzes! damn! Don't know if that's a sign of anything, just something I noticed.
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    I have to put my ear right up to it in order to hear a faint high pitch buzz (only on low/med setting). Nothing on high or in strobe mode.

    My indicator light will go to red after I switch to high. It will stay green on low/med.

    Is that about what you are experiencing?

    Switching topics: where exactly do you check for and add thermal paste? I'm a visual person, so if anyone has any pics it would really help me out.

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    No buzz from mine; stays green for 1.5 hours (can't remember exactly). No issues with mine so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearhunter View Post
    I have to put my ear right up to it in order to hear a faint high pitch buzz (only on low/med setting). Nothing on high or in strobe mode.

    My indicator light will go to red after I switch to high. It will stay green on low/med.

    Is that about what you are experiencing?

    Switching topics: where exactly do you check for and add thermal paste? I'm a visual person, so if anyone has any pics it would really help me out.
    Hi Bearhunter, that does indeed appear to be what I'm experiencing. Stays green on low/med but once it switches to high, it stays red even if going back to low/med.

    So as I said I would, I dug out my old MS 808e clone & battery (about 2 yrs old - Amazon shows I purchased it $36 on November 2, 2012) and it does *not* exhibit the same behavior of the battery that came from Wallbuys. It stays green on high. So it looks like the wallbuy's battery pack might be the culprit.

    Next up, I'll have to test the duration of both on high and compare. But I'm guessing my other battery will outlast the wallbuy battery.

    And I know it's been said multiple times before but goddamn this thing is small!

    Check out this pic i took next to my other lights for reference.



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    This Gemini Duo clone definitely gets hot fast though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KVW View Post
    So as I said I would, I dug out my old MS 808e clone & battery (about 2 yrs old - Amazon shows I purchased it $36 on November 2, 2012) and it does *not* exhibit the same behavior of the battery that came from Wallbuys. It stays green on high. So it looks like the wallbuy's battery pack might be the culprit.

    Next up, I'll have to test the duration of both on high and compare. But I'm guessing my other battery will outlast the wallbuy battery.

    And I know it's been said multiple times before but goddamn this thing is small!

    Check out this pic i took next to my other lights for reference.



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    This Gemini Duo clone definitely gets hot fast though!
    Very interesting (Re: different battery pack). I have some new batteries enroute so I assume I'll have the same results.

    Did you open the head unit up and check the thermal paste as mentioned earlier in the thread? I'm still not sure what I'm looking for or where to check.

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    The batteries are where they can increase profit margins. There are reports of 2000mAhr batteries! Runtime tests with a fan blowing are a good idea before you head out on that 3hr ride in the hills.
    My new fasttech battery lasts ~ 3/4 as long as my three year old gloworm battery...

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    Quote Originally Posted by znomit View Post
    The batteries are where they can increase profit margins. There are reports of 2000mAhr batteries! Runtime tests with a fan blowing are a good idea before you head out on that 3hr ride in the hills.
    My new fasttech battery lasts ~ 3/4 as long as my three year old gloworm battery...
    That's good to know. It's too bad wallbuys doesn't just sell the light by itself for cheaper so we just buy a higher quality battery pack somewhere else. It's not as good of a value if you get a decent headlight that last but a subpar battery cluster.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bearhunter View Post
    Did you open the head unit up and check the thermal paste as mentioned earlier in the thread? I'm still not sure what I'm looking for or where to check.
    I haven't yet but will try and check once the lenses come in from LEDDNA. But honestly, I'm not even sure I'll be able to tell much of anything because if they're anything like PC cpu/heatsink, you really wouldn't be able to see how much thermal paste they use without separating it. But then you'd have to clean it properly and reapply... er well you at least *should*. Perhaps LEDs are completely different though - maybe someone else can chime in.

    *Edit* Did some web searching on the subject.
    Judging from these two videos:
    6. DIY NANO aquarium HIGH power LED light - YouTube

    Applying Thermal Paste to an Ultrafire Flashlight - YouTube

    You essentially mate the entire LED assembly to the chassis with compound. Weird. I mean the first video makes sense since it has aluminum backing (assuming the metal back goes through the PCB board and makes contact with the LED), but in the 2nd video, he seems to be mating the PCB board itself to the chassis. Would a fiberglass board be a terrible heat conductor? I wouldn't think it would be very effective at all.
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    Thank you that was very helpful. Yeah I'm not sure how the thermal paste works in the second video. He seemed to replace a "washer" type insert with the paste.

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    8 or 9 weeks still no light or refund.
    DX.com :banghead:


    Aliexpress Another site to look at.

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    I always use PayPal when I order through DX.com. They are usually pretty good, but once or twice they messed up. Customer service is non-existant. So, pay with PayPal, if something goes wonky, pull the payment, and reorder.

    IMO, it's an acceptable price of doing biz at DX prices.

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    Mine also goes to red as soon as I go to high. Good indicator of a poor battery. The connectors don't fit with any of my other batteries so I haven't been able to test it with another. I don't have any buzzing with mine. I did open mine to change out the lenses and could see a small amount of thermal paste that had squeezed out around the board and the case heats up quickly so I'm not worried about it. I'll replace the paste when I swap out the led's for the T6-3B's that I ordered.

    I ran the light with the LEDDNA 45 and 60 lens and love it as a bar light when paired with my good Yinding on the helmet. Not much throw out of it but I really don't need much throw on the trails I ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robs31 View Post
    Mine also goes to red as soon as I go to high. Good indicator of a poor battery. The connectors don't fit with any of my other batteries so I haven't been able to test it with another. I don't have any buzzing with mine. I did open mine to change out the lenses and could see a small amount of thermal paste that had squeezed out around the board and the case heats up quickly so I'm not worried about it. I'll replace the paste when I swap out the led's for the T6-3B's that I ordered.

    I ran the light with the LEDDNA 45 and 60 lens and love it as a bar light when paired with my good Yinding on the helmet. Not much throw out of it but I really don't need much throw on the trails I ride.
    Hey that's a good point about the case heating up quickly. Mine does as well. I couldn't hear mine buzz either until I put my ear right up to it. Then again it may be that my hearing is going south after 22 years in the military. After thinking about it, maybe it's a function of cheap batteries and voltage regulation on low/med? I've been reading the "battery thread" and seriously considering the "Hung_Lee" battery pack with magic shine connectors (I think those are the screw on connectors?).

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    I got two hunk lee's and their great. Just be sure to request the screw type connectors and the male side also so you can change out the connector on the light head too. I got a two cell for the helmet (3400) and a 4 cell for the bars (6100).

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    Never heard of hung lee before, can you recommend a place to order em from? Part #s would be great too

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    Quote Originally Posted by robs31 View Post
    I got two hunk lee's and their great. Just be sure to request the screw type connectors and the male side also so you can change out the connector on the light head too. I got a two cell for the helmet (3400) and a 4 cell for the bars (6100).
    I take it, any of these "Magicshine" light batteries offered by "Hunk Lee" will work (considering my MS clone works)?

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    Also, anyone notice these "Yinding" lights claim they use 8.4v battery packs but all these Magic Shine battery packs say 7.4v which would make sense if it's just *paring* two 3.7v, 18650 batteries in parallel, in series to make a pack of 4... Where does the extra 1v come from? Are they just overstating it by 1v just to lie/sell?

    I haven't verified yet as it's extremely hard for me to tell, switching back and forth, but my other battery pack (MS 808e clone), the one that doesn't immediately turn the light red in high mode, *might* be slightly dimmer than the Yinding battery pack. Definitely not 100% here because by the time I switch over, it's hard to remember if the road was 'as bright' as the other but my gut tells me it's slightly dimmer.

    Warning, I don't know sh!t bout electronics as I'm sure you can tell by now, lol, but ... if that's the case, *Maybe* the non-Yinding battery pack is outputting slightly less volts (7.4v vs 8.4v, as I stated earlier) which is not taking the load up to the same "high" that a Yinding battery does and effectively not throwing the switch in to "red" mode? In other words, it follows the same behavior as low/medium because this battery pack is not as powerful? This doesn't make sense to me because I'm guessing it goes by voltage drop as an indicator of lower capacity, not the other way around. I wish I had something that could measure lumens. I tried taking pictures but both pictures looked exactly the same but I swear the Yinding battery pack is slightly brighter.

    Also, last night I tried to time the run-time of the Yinding pack on high but I didn't even make it 10 mins before the light massively dimmed. But it wasn't because the battery pack died, it was because it went into thermal protection mode - I could hardly even touch the light! Apparently my little fan wasn't sufficient - You really need some seriously air blowing on this thing! I can easily see this being an issue on a warm summer night. I mean you're not always hauling ass. But I guess this is to be expected with such a tiny light housing with so little surface area. Anyway I plan to try again soon, but I'll need to dig out my big-ass industrial fan from my garage first.
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    7.4 is the average battery voltage, they charge up to 8.4V. So you can use either value.

    It drops during use. Yes your light might run a bit dimmer as the battery runs down, ideally the driver circuit should output the same current to the LEDs but in practice that doesn't happen.

    Did an initial test run on my HunkLee 5800mAhr battery, it ran my little magic shine light on low for 36hrs, vs 21hr for my fasttech battery I got with the Yinding. That included being on high for two hours so probably more like 38 vs 21 hrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robs31 View Post
    I got two hunk lee's and their great. Just be sure to request the screw type connectors and the male side also so you can change out the connector on the light head too. I got a two cell for the helmet (3400) and a 4 cell for the bars (6100).
    Agree; got mine but it has the crappy connectors that don't lock/snap together. They say "Magicshine" but the connectors are anything but...I believe you can request that he makes them with the proper connectors. Also realize that you can get nice batteries through action-LED for about the same price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearhunter View Post
    Thank you that was very helpful. Yeah I'm not sure how the thermal paste works in the second video. He seemed to replace a "washer" type insert with the paste.
    My replacement lens just came in so after opening it up, I can confirm they used plenty of thermal paste on the backside of the led assembly. I know this was mentioned already bout Yinding but never hurts to have others confirm incase they start cutting corners.

    Quote Originally Posted by robs31 View Post
    Mine also goes to red as soon as I go to high. Good indicator of a poor battery. The connectors don't fit with any of my other batteries so I haven't been able to test it with another. I don't have any buzzing with mine. I did open mine to change out the lenses and could see a small amount of thermal paste that had squeezed out around the board and the case heats up quickly so I'm not worried about it. I'll replace the paste when I swap out the led's for the T6-3B's that I ordered.

    I ran the light with the LEDDNA 45 and 60 lens and love it as a bar light when paired with my good Yinding on the helmet. Not much throw out of it but I really don't need much throw on the trails I ride.
    I purchased a pair of 10,15, 45, and 60* lenses from LEDDNA as well, and notice all the lenses did look different than the stock lens. What would you say the stock lens most closely represent as far as angle?

    Also is it that easy to replace the LEDs? Do the pair of T6-3b come as a pair on a similar shaped assembly as what's currently in the Yinding chassis? Post a pic or two of the process when you get em. Really interested in seeing that.
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    Thanks KV, I haven't taken mine apart yet.

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    Been waiting 3 weeks so far from wallbuys, hoping it arrives soon.
    Tempted to buy some different lenses so also interested in how the stock one compares.

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    I think the stock lenses are great, but it could be that I don't know any better.

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    WOW my light was delivered today just shy of Three months!
    As said before nice built headlight, I have a proper look tonight.

    I told my Bank as they calming my refund still one item missing from DX.
    Next time I would buy from Wallbuys


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    I;ve got mine in now. Just got the battery case, loaded it up and tested it.
    Wow it was bright!
    I then charged the batteries and attempted to futz around with modes..Now my L-M-H is 20% of what it was, I think I have put it into an alternate mode....But of course no instructions... It has L-M-H and strobe....
    Tony

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