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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post
    No, I have a red one, and I'd say his photos are pretty spot on (I also have the 3 XML he's comparing it to).

    However, when out on the trail, and using both of these lights together (the Duo clone and the triple XML), I don't really see the "blue" tint so much, if at all.
    fightnut,
    How would you compare the 2 lights?
    I have the 3x
    Is the 2x worth getting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    fightnut,
    How would you compare the 2 lights?
    I have the 3x
    Is the 2x worth getting?
    Absolutely worth getting. I think it's the best deal going right now.

    As far as how it compares to my 3xml:

    1. Significantly smaller

    2. Significantly lighter

    3. Cost less (once you add in upgraded battery to 3xml, which is pretty much a must). Like I said, I'm into the 3xml for $100 with upgraded battery. With current prices, it would be more like $$85 for light and upgraded battery.

    4. Almost as bright. Doesn't have the throw or "punch" of the 3 xml, but with some different optics, or maybe reflectors instead, it could have very decent throw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    It looks smaller then my Duo.
    Gharddog, do you have any calipers to measure your Gemini?
    I get 44mm wide x 34.4mm deep (front to back) x 24.2mm high (not including mount) for the Duo clone with my digital calipers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post
    Gharddog, do you have any calipers to measure your Gemini?
    I get 44mm wide x 34.4mm deep (front to back) x 24.2mm high (not including mount) for the Duo clone with my digital calipers.
    No I don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post
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    4. Almost as bright. Doesn't have the throw or "punch" of the 3 xml, but with some different optics, or maybe reflectors instead, it could have very decent throw.
    Thanks for the reply!
    I have a 3x....and agree with you. But if it's brighter....I'm going to keep it... for now.
    But I might get this 2x....or a SS2x xml2...to replace the Hi-Max single U2 light on my helmet.

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    Got out a short spin tonight but doing beamshots was trickier than I figured. Will have to do this again but find a better place and mount the lights to my bars. I didn't have a tripod for my camera and I managed to point the lights a bit differently so it'll be hard to make a proper comparison. At least the are all shot with the same exposure (F2.0, 1/3 s, ISO 800) and whitebalance (daylight). My bike is about 20 m away.You can click the image for larger size. (Or go here for even larger http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb594059/test/Comparison.JPG )
    Gemini Duo clones-comparison.jpg

    The med in the Yinding is much more sensible than on the 3xXML where there is almost no difference to high. I think that I would have a hard time to tell the beam pattern apart on the trail.

    Big win for the Yinding since it's so much smaller and lighter. I haven't tested battery properly but I find the short leads stupid but not a real problem since I already had an extension.

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    Wow. Thanks Johan.

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    Just ordered this light, has anyone found any optics to make it slighly more spotty ?
    Was going to replace just one of the optics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    No I don't.
    Use a ruler.

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    Thanks for the pictures Johan. Nice work

    I wonder why the triple on medium (2 led's lit) looks as bright as the Duo clone on high. Is the triple drawing more current, or are the optics of the duo sucking up all the light energy? Perhaps the Duo outhrows the triple? The triple looks to be much floodier than the duo also, which is a positive in my book.

    Based on these pictures, I would buy the triple before the duo. What do you all think?

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    I just got back from a ride where I ran into a guy with a real Duo.
    My 3x is brighter and floodier on medium....and even more brighter on high.

    I don't know why people say there isn't much difference between high and medium. If you shine it on a wall at close range, there isn't. But outside...it is very noticable.

    I might look at a Duo clone or a SSx2 for a helmet light.....but I like the 3x for the handlebar in the woods.

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    The 3x is no slouch that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    The 3x is no slouch that's for sure.
    Yep, that's for sure. Keep in mind most of the tri-clones are just standard XM-L T-6. Shouldn't be too long before you start seeing them in U2 or with XM-L2's. Right now I'd like to see a SSX2 with XM-L2 (U2). Ha!, for that matter anything with XM-L2 U2 is going to rock.

    When I first got my tri-clone I compared it to my Gloworm X2 (v2) with XM-L U2's. Both lamps compared very well as far as output ( on high ) goes with the Tri-clone having perhaps a bit more throw because of the tri-reflector set-up.

    If I were going to go with a super cheap Chinese combo set-up for MTB'ing I would either go with a combo Tri-clone on the bars / single XM-L (U2) emitter clone lamp on the helmet OR Duo clone on the bars and SSX2 on the helmet. The first combo would have a bit more throw with the second a bit more flood.

    Yep, if you can afford $80 for a Chinese combo set-up you can rock the night. Spend another $30 or $50 for a better battery and you're set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Yep, that's for sure. Keep in mind most of the tri-clones are just standard XM-L T-6. Shouldn't be too long before you start seeing them in U2 or with XM-L2's. Right now I'd like to see a SSX2 with XM-L2 (U2). Ha!, for that matter anything with XM-L2 U2 is going to rock.

    When I first got my tri-clone I compared it to my Gloworm X2 (v2) with XM-L U2's. Both lamps compared very well as far as output ( on high ) goes with the Tri-clone having perhaps a bit more throw because of the tri-reflector set-up.

    If I were going to go with a super cheap Chinese combo set-up for MTB'ing I would either go with a combo Tri-clone on the bars / single XM-L (U2) emitter clone lamp on the helmet OR Duo clone on the bars and SSX2 on the helmet. The first combo would have a bit more throw with the second a bit more flood.

    Yep, if you can afford $80 for a Chinese combo set-up you can rock the night. Spend another $30 or $50 for a better battery and you're set.
    Cat-man-do, I recently ordered a SSX2 to run on my helmet, and am struggling to pick out a flood to go with it. I was pretty sold on the duo clone, until seeing the picture above with the three XML beam shot, maybe I there is something I am missing but it looks like the 3xml destroys the duo clone in both flood and throw? Is there something I am missing? Could you explain the reason for matching the duo clone to the SSX2 and not the tri-clone?

    I am ready to order something but would feel much better picking a sound option from those with experience, no matter how many threads I read it will not make up for those of you who have actually seen these lights firsthand
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    Like fightnut said, one of the main things that the Duo clone has going for it is the really small size. The triple has to be pretty cheap by now, on the other hand. I remember seeing the light-head-only option for around $35 a couple of months ago.

    By the way, the original seller of the xm-l2 version no longer has them, but I found this alternative:
    Free shipping 1Set CREE XML2 T6 3B Bike Light 1600lm Waterproof Bicycle Light LED HeadLamp + 8.4v Battery Pack + Charger-in Bicycle Light from Sports & Entertainment on Aliexpress.com

    On sale for $69.81.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post

    On sale for $69.81.
    Damn, no more 49.99$. That's Gemini territory for me. Since I wouldn't use the battery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    Damn, no more 49.99$. That's Gemini territory for me. Since I wouldn't use the battery.
    The xml versions are still available on fasttech for 51.18. The xm-l2 versions were always more expensive.

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    And there's still these at Wallbuys.com with XM-L-U2's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posher View Post
    Cat-man-do, I recently ordered a SSX2 to run on my helmet, and am struggling to pick out a flood to go with it. I was pretty sold on the duo clone, until seeing the picture above with the three XML beam shot, maybe I there is something I am missing but it looks like the 3xml destroys the duo clone in both flood and throw? Is there something I am missing? Could you explain the reason for matching the duo clone to the SSX2 and not the tri-clone?

    I am ready to order something but would feel much better picking a sound option from those with experience, no matter how many threads I read it will not make up for those of you who have actually seen these lights firsthand
    As I said above...after comparing my 3x with a Duo....I am sticking with the 3x.
    It's a little bigger...but a LOT brighter.
    Here;s one for $40
    SecurityIng® 3X CREE XM-L T6 LED 3800Lm LED Headlight Headlamp and Bicycle Light:Amazon:Sports & Outdoors
    But the supplied battery will only run about 1 1/4 hours on high....so you may need a stronger battery.
    I am probably going to get a SSx2 or a Duo for my helmet....

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    I just purchased one of the Gemini clones from Fast Tech and like other posters that have asked if I want to make the light a little more spotty what lense would you need to exchange it with? I know it 20mm in diameter but what angle do I need to get? Do I need a 5* angle, a 10* or a 15*???? Please help. Thanks.

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    [QUOTE=the mayor;10770945]It's a little bigger...but a LOT brighter.
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    I would disagree. Granted, terms like "little" and "LOT" are relative terms and will have different meanings for different people.
    But we can measure weight and size, and I'd hardly call a 250% (2.5x) difference in size and weight a "little" bigger. I'd call the 3xml a lot bigger.

    As far as brightness, is the 3xml brighter?, yes. But I don't know that I'd go as far as to call it a "LOT" brighter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.R.A. View Post
    I just purchased one of the Gemini clones from Fast Tech and like other posters that have asked if I want to make the light a little more spotty what lense would you need to exchange it with? I know it 20mm in diameter but what angle do I need to get? Do I need a 5* angle, a 10* or a 15*???? Please help. Thanks.
    There was a lot of optics talk on page 9 of the d99 thread
    UltraFire D99 a promising new 2x light?
    That's a good place to start

    If you want spotty then you would get 5 degrees or smaller

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    In regards to Cat-man-do looking for a SSX2 with XM-L2 (U2). Is this what you are looking for:
    Black Color SolarStorm X2 2*Cree XM-L2 2200-Lumen Led Bike Light Without Battery Pack - Bicycle Lights Lamp Cap - Bicycle Light & Headlamp Worldwide Free Shipping!!!

    I have been reading through pages and pages of posts trying to educate my self on the current options and like most people trying to get the most bang for my buck and spend as little as possible at the same time. My wife is not convinced that I even need lights. So I am looking at maybe ordering the above. With a better battery.

    Would it be a bad idea to even just order 2 of these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post
    And there's still these at Wallbuys.com with XM-L-U2's
    Already sold out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    Already sold out.
    Looks like it's just the black ones are sold out. They still have reds and blues (for now).

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    [QUOTE=fightnut;10771030]
    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    It's a little bigger...but a LOT brighter.
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    I would disagree.

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    Of course you would...

    It's brighter. You can't argue with that.
    Size? If the size is that big of a deal....go with the dimmer light.

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    [QUOTE=the mayor;10771324]
    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post
    Of course you would...

    It's brighter. You can't argue with that.
    Size? If the size is that big of a deal....go with the dimmer light.
    No need to get butthurt because I disagree with you on a couple things.
    Man, must be the change in weather or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post
    Gharddog, do you have any calipers to measure your Gemini?
    I get 44mm wide x 34.4mm deep (front to back) x 24.2mm high (not including mount) for the Duo clone with my digital calipers.
    My Gemini Duo measures basically those same dimensions with my cheap plastic calipers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klydesdale View Post
    My Gemini Duo measures basically those same dimensions with my cheap plastic calipers.
    Copy that. Used a plastic ruler I had laying around and pretty much dead on with the same dimensions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoney View Post
    In regards to Cat-man-do looking for a SSX2 with XM-L2 (U2). Is this what you are looking for:
    Black Color SolarStorm X2 2*Cree XM-L2 2200-Lumen Led Bike Light Without Battery Pack - Bicycle Lights Lamp Cap - Bicycle Light & Headlamp Worldwide Free Shipping!!!

    I have been reading through pages and pages of posts trying to educate my self on the current options and like most people trying to get the most bang for my buck and spend as little as possible at the same time. My wife is not convinced that I even need lights. So I am looking at maybe ordering the above. With a better battery.

    Would it be a bad idea to even just order 2 of these?
    Thanks b$. The link you posted is likely for XM-L2's using the standard T-6 bin. These will be very bright but I'm going to hold out for the U2 version. I just like the whiter tint. Currently I have the SSX2 with standard XM-L (U2) ....which is the first XM-L U2 version. When these are released with the second U2 version they will be even more awesome.

    b$, if you buy two of these XM-L2 (T-6) I don't think you will be disappointed...however....one of these 880 clones might be better for the bars because of the wider beam pattern. Find one with XM-L2's and that would be even better.

    Wifey should have no problem with you buying a couple "emergency home illumination light-sets"...yes, yes...in a power outage these babies will light your house for about 6 hours when on low. With two going you have all the light you need ( including one for the bedroom if you catch my drift... )

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    [QUOTE=fightnut;10771393]
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    No need to get butthurt because I disagree with you on a couple things.
    Man, must be the change in weather or something.
    I'm old. My butt is sensitive.
    But my brighter light helps a little.....and little is subjective ;^)

    Seriously....the Duo and it's clones are frikkin amazing for their brightness and their tiny size. When I saw the first one last year...I laughed until the lady turned it on.

    I am flip flopping on the Duo clone and a SSx2 to replace my Hi-Max XML U2 helmet light.

    But with the buzz about the possible Xm_l2 U2...or better...

    I still have my Vista Lite dual 10w set up from 1991....like 2 birthday candles on your bars. They were awesome back then

    Then I got the Nite Sun Team Issue ( which I still have )....

    I guess we have real 1st world problems arguing over bike lights, right?

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    Vista Lites..I had the 2x10w and 1 wt circa '95. I remember the older ones like you are talking about. The new cheap LEDs are amazing compared to those old lights.

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    [QUOTE=the mayor;10772965]
    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post

    I guess we have real 1st world problems arguing over bike lights, right?
    Agreed! We do tend to get a bit obsessive over lights in this forum at times.
    I just need to bundle up, step away from the keyboard, and go ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Then I got the Nite Sun Team Issue ( which I still have )....
    You can convert it into a modern light.

    Convert Nightsun to LED 400 to 500+ lumens

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
    You can convert it into a modern light.

    Convert Nightsun to LED 400 to 500+ lumens
    LOL...bubs you really dug that one up now didn't you. That thread is from back in 2008. All the links are outdated and dead. When you can buy a twin XM-L lamp head for about $26 all the conversions make no sense anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    LOL...bubs you really dug that one up now didn't you. That thread is from back in 2008. All the links are outdated and dead. When you can buy a twin XM-L lamp head for about $26 all the conversions make no sense anymore.
    5 secs using a search engine. It can be cheaper than $26, how much is two mr16 triple cree bulbs? $5 each? Pretty sure they're dirt cheap on ebay.

    Yeah, I rather get an xml dual ssx2 lighthead from lightmall for $22 instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
    5 secs using a search engine. It can be cheaper than $26, how much is two mr16 triple cree bulbs? $5 each? Pretty sure they're dirt cheap on ebay.

    Yeah, I rather get an xml dual ssx2 lighthead from lightmall for $22 instead.
    He, he...I hear ya. When you factor in the problem of doing the DIY conversion, finding a compatible battery and having no mode changes the $22-$27 lamp head is a real no-brainer. Back then when the cheap P-7 torches came along almost no one talked about conversions anymore.

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    Anyone seen or tried this one? Light head only....$40...XM-L U2s....

    Nitefighter BT20 1200 Lumen 4 Mode Bike Light Head Only with O Rings | eBay
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    I think KD MJ 880 clone or SS X2/X3 is better option ...

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    Finnaly, I`ve got it!
    It is indeed very small and light...compared to MJ808 P7 and MJ872

    It is right between MJ808 P7 and MJ872. That goes for beam pattern and amount of light-
    I would say around 1000-1100lm
    I am very impressed with the build quality but disappointed with charger. It cuts off at 8,2V. That is waaay to early.
    I will post trail beamshots in a week (including MJ808, MJ808e, MJ880, MJ872, MJ880 clone, 3xXML clone, SS2X, Lupine Tesla)

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    Sweet. Patiently waiting for the beam shots.

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    Wow...I had no idea how small these actually are! Yes..looking forward to beam shots. I really want either a genuine Duo or one of these clones..look so cool.
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    Here are some quick shots

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhocewar View Post
    Here are some quick shots
    Nice comparison! Very well done. A couple of questions for you. Which MJ880 clone do you have, the one from KD? Do you have the genuine MJ872 or the $30 clone? I always like the ability of the MJ872 clone to evenly light the near field. Is it the xml solarstorm or the xm-l2?

    The dual emitter lights are clearly superior to the single emitter lights. It looks like the Yinding (Duo clone) has the best throw, but that could just be a function of how it's aimed (slightly higher?). They are all pretty similar really, but the Solarstorm has the brightest hot spot. It's tough to pick a favorite. I would probably go with the MJ880 clone or the Duo clone, because of the even beam in both near- and far-field.

    I'm really impressed with the Duo clone. How are they pumping out this much light in such a small housing without overheating the light? Does it get hot, or is it a superior design?

    The 872 is good if you want a really bright near-field, maybe for tricky root or rock sections. It obviously has bad throw. The three dual-emitter lights are probably a better buy for most people.

    Based on the picture Modig posted, the triple xml is also a good bet. It's has a proven track record, and it appears to be somewhat brighter then the three major dual emitter lights (880 clone, Solarstorm X2, Gemini Duo clone). The triple can be had for pretty cheap now, I'm sure. There's also the option of buying these lights as light-heads-only. That's especially good if you already have decent battery from action led or xeccon. The Solarstorm and the KD 880 clone are both available that way.

    It seems that we have reached a new standard for cheap lights and a new era of night riding. It's probably enough for most riders to ride at their day time speeds without too much worry. The doubles are definitely in and singles are out. These new lights really open up the world of night riding for everyone.

    In my opinion, the better the cheap lights get, the harder it is to justify the $200 minimum for the "good" lights. I feel sorry for the guys who only buy their lights at the bike store. $100 buys you a 400 lumen light that last 1.5 hours. $100 sent to China buys you two complete sets of lights that are two to three times as bright and last for twice as long! If you read the bike magazine this entire segment of lights, i.e. Chinese imports, is virtually ignored. If it wasn't for this forum, I would have never known this stuff was out there. Thanks guys.

    Happy night riding everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhocewar View Post
    Here are some quick shots
    That 808 XML looks a lot nicer than the P7...man...I really need to upgrade
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    bhocewar, is there a chance the MJ872 was aimed a little lower then the others?

    Great comparison of lights by the way.

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    Very nice. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Do you have the genuine MJ872 or the $30 clone?
    It is original Magicshine.

    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Is it the xml solarstorm or the xm-l2?
    XML u2 from aliexpress, the first one that was selling for $33.

    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    It looks like the Yinding (Duo clone) has the best throw, but that could just be a function of how it's aimed (slightly higher?).
    SSX2 and MJ880 clone have noticeable better throw. They are also brighter. It doesn't have such spot it is floodier so it is hard to aim them the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post
    bhocewar, is there a chance the MJ872 was aimed a little lower then the others?
    No, it is veeery floody. It doesn't have any throw.

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    The 872 appears to have a nice flood.

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