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    Good job! Fake BikeRay lights

    Be aware of fake BikeRay lights~!
    Rescently, we found out there are many fake BikeRay lights being sold at fleamarkets and so on all over U.S.
    We did our research and found out that they are fakes from a company with "BikeRay" logo on top as ours. Since they couldn't match the quality, services of BikeRay & BikeRayUSA, This is what they came up with. As this moment, our manufacture is preparering a Law Suit againt (the company)on this issue. We, as BikeRay USA will be on top of this issue and will file a neccessary action too.
    If you find this fake BikeRay in your area, please let us know at soonest. We highly appreciate your support on this matter. If you haven't purchased BikeRay lights directly from us or our reps and dealers, they are not legitimate BikeRay lights and we can not support on parts, warranties nor services.

    To identify the fake BikeRay lights, inside of our package, you should find 2 documents. One is installation guide, and other is about our warranty with our mailing address. And on every, each BikeRay light we ship out, they are tagged with tested date, tester's name or initial. The new package also contains new metal ring that shows a serial number along BikeRay logo. (only on black BikeRay-I & II with new packaging) If you don't see above mentioned descriptions, they are fakes. Also fake BikeRay lights are using a mixed combination of light metal case. Main body looks like BikeRay-II but the rear looks more like BikeRay-I.We are talking to dealers and reps to help us to find Fake BikeRay distributors.


    Your support on this matter is highly appreciated~! Thank you~!!!!!
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    i see you guys will be at the santos ftf, thats cool! are you one of the vendors then?
    Quote Originally Posted by HamfisT
    I understand that engineering has value in and of itself. But in the end, it's still just a pile of aluminum tubes.

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    Here we go again...

    Bikeray, Magicshine, Cyclops, Gemini...whatever. It's all the same. Yeah, I've read everyone's arguments that they are the "original" knockoff and then the knockoff of a knockoff.

    Thanks but no thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfTheHill
    Here we go again...

    Bikeray, Magicshine, Cyclops, Gemini...whatever. It's all the same. Yeah, I've read everyone's arguments that they are the "original" knockoff and then the knockoff of a knockoff.

    Thanks but no thanks.
    Yap, you are right in a way. Light is a light, LED is a LED, Aluminum is a aluminum. RIght~?
    I don't believe I ever said that I am original. I never heard that even from MS or Gemini.
    MS has their own line of product, BikeRa has own lline of products too. The way industry moves, not only on bicycle lights but in everything.... its "Share". MB copies few things from Toyota, GM copies few things from Ford, I mean, we are in the world of global community that communication, information is just few minutes, no, seconds away.
    No argument on that. But what we are trying to say here is, making a duplicate with your name is wrong. Its like stealing your identity., your social security number~!
    That is wrong~!
    Your ID is King of the Hill. Well someone comes from nowhere and says he is the King of Hill.... how would you like that~?
    I don't think you will like in anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nick d
    i see you guys will be at the santos ftf, thats cool! are you one of the vendors then?
    Hey Nick~!
    Yes, we will be there as vendor on vendors line, just as close to Greenway bicycle shop.
    Hope to see you there. We will there 18~19th.
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    Point taken on the name issue. Yes, I agree someone should not use your name and you have to take action to defend your name and business. The lights though...who manufactures yours? Cyclops? Gemini? Must be someone in Shenzhen, and that someone is most likely making them for everyone.

    C'mon, look at the lights - they are the same light. Some claim D bin emitters, others better batteries, better warranty... My point is we've heard so many vendors whine about being wronged when they themselves are selling a knockoff of Lupine lights that it's getting old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfTheHill
    Point taken on the name issue. Yes, I agree someone should not use your name and you have to take action to defend your name and business. The lights though...who manufactures yours? Cyclops? Gemini? Must be someone in Shenzhen, and that someone is most likely making them for everyone.

    C'mon, look at the lights - they are the same light. Some claim D bin emitters, others better batteries, better warranty... My point is we've heard so many vendors whine about being wronged when they themselves are selling a knockoff of Lupine lights that it's getting old.
    Thank you for your understanding.
    I am in LED lighting business about 9 years now. I can tell you that first ones with 900 lms were Koreans. In few months later, the very first Chinese company on bicycle lighting qas MS. Yes, BikeRay came after MS. But with different design and better components. It is obvious that most of LED industry are concentrated in ShenZhen. But that is how China is doing. Type of industry is concentrated in one city. Like shenzhen is led, solar etc. Other city is motorcycles, other city is electronics.... entire city dedicates on one or similar product.
    Gemini came just 3 months ago, from a supplier who used to supply some items to BikeRay.
    I can not say who, but there are few others who gets their products made from same city boundery.
    Cyclops are made by BikeRay, thats why you see everything same as BikeRay but the name.

    Hope this explains a little.
    Sorry, I am not in position to share more than this.
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    Yes, about 15 from or club will be there-most of us pt volunteers.

    It is an awesome event!
    Quote Originally Posted by bikerayusa
    Hey Nick~!
    Yes, we will be there as vendor on vendors line, just as close to Greenway bicycle shop.
    Hope to see you there. We will there 18~19th.
    Quote Originally Posted by HamfisT
    I understand that engineering has value in and of itself. But in the end, it's still just a pile of aluminum tubes.

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    To BikeRay USA: It is unfortunate to see a clone of your product. That being said, it seems to not be unusual judging from the recent entry of Chinese bike lights into the market place. However someone making a light that looks like yours and then using your logo/ name to boot...well that just goes beyond the pale. I am saddened to see this kind of thing happen. I appreciate that you have taken the time to notify your potential buyers. I know it is the last thing you really wanted to do but it shows class. I hope you find the scammers and put a stop to their fraud.

    On the other hand....we, the potential buyers of your product have no way to verify your story. This could be a deception on your part to corner more of the market. I'm not calling you a liar just pointing out that the story can be used to your advantage. In the long run this translates to : Buyer beware ( *P.S. I still like the BikeRays... )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    To BikeRay USA: It is unfortunate to see a clone of your product. That being said, it seems to not be unusual judging from the recent entry of Chinese bike lights into the market place. However someone making a light that looks like yours and then using your logo/ name to boot...well that just goes beyond the pale. I am saddened to see this kind of thing happen. I appreciate that you have taken the time to notify your potential buyers. I know it is the last thing you really wanted to do but it shows class. I hope you find the scammers and put a stop to their fraud.

    On the other hand....we, the potential buyers of your product have no way to verify your story. This could be a deception on your part to corner more of the market. I'm not calling you a liar just pointing out that the story can be used to your advantage. In the long run this translates to : Buyer beware ( *P.S. I still like the BikeRays... )
    Hi Cat-man-Do;

    I am very aware of whole situation and we had several meetings cause of what you said was already on our mind.
    It could well damage our image as well.
    But then, we came to a conclusion to reveal this matter to the public.

    If I need to, I do have email exchanges dated almost 2.5+ years back, money transfers, R&D issues, prototype drawings,. From Korean manufacture(s)2008, MS(2009), BikeRay(2010) etc that I can use them to go to public. But you are right.
    What it will do is make more damages and wrong impressions to everyone.
    All we want from this is, to stop those people using our name. Doesn't matter they have better or worst product.

    Someone already went to one of our dealer and asked warranty repair on his "BikeRay" light that he purchase at fleemarket. Dealer contacted our rep, and showed the light. Our rep thought it was funny seeing something so similar but he knew it wasn't from us. That is how we got aware of this issue. We, never sold any light to anyone who does business at the fleemrkets. And we never will.

    About copies of technical issues, I will say its like car industry. I can not recall who started with ABS, TPMS, etc, etc. But I am sure one company made it first, then it got copied by others with improvements or got cheaper, etc.
    I remember the first GM truck I bought with ABS system in 1993. It was junk.
    Never could stop on time. It never worked as it was suppossed to. I ended up having a big crash and funny what the dealer told me. I didn't use the brake properly and there is nothing wrong with the truck.....
    Well, after several years later, GM made recall on those trucks to repair on ABS system. After killing several people.
    Isn't that what happend with Toyota~? beside of political issues.~???

    What I am trying to say here is, doesn't matter who came up with the idea first. Its all about who makes it better, more attractive....am I right~? oh~~ low cost too.

    World has changed dramatically. No more secrets, ..... I think its google's fault....

    Anyway, if you are in FL, please see us at Daytona Supercross, on March, 05.
    Ocala Fat tire Festival on March 18~19.
    We are working for other states as well, but we got our hands full here in FL. But it is our hope to see you in your state in very near future~!

    Thank you all~!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfTheHill
    Here we go again...

    Bikeray, Magicshine, Cyclops, Gemini...whatever. It's all the same. Yeah, I've read everyone's arguments that they are the "original" knockoff and then the knockoff of a knockoff.

    Thanks but no thanks.
    you just dont get it do you

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    Claims from self declared "Official" dealers about counterfeit lights are common.
    Usually they allude to poor quality and make vague claims about being the original designers.
    Could you please post pics and technical comparisons showing how these fake lights differ.

    I'm guessing the only significant difference is price.

    We all know official isn't always best, with one "master" dealer having 100% failure rate on one product with no remedy yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerayusa
    Thank you for your understanding.
    I am in LED lighting business about 9 years now. I can tell you that first ones with 900 lms were Koreans. In few months later, the very first Chinese company on bicycle lighting qas MS. Yes, BikeRay came after MS. But with different design and better components. It is obvious that most of LED industry are concentrated in ShenZhen. But that is how China is doing. Type of industry is concentrated in one city. Like shenzhen is led, solar etc. Other city is motorcycles, other city is electronics.... entire city dedicates on one or similar product.
    Gemini came just 3 months ago, from a supplier who used to supply some items to BikeRay.
    I can not say who, but there are few others who gets their products made from same city boundery.
    Cyclops are made by BikeRay, thats why you see everything same as BikeRay but the name.

    Hope this explains a little.
    Sorry, I am not in position to share more than this.
    I wish you well on this.. I would also be a bit upset..
    TO BE CLEAR... the ONLY product (out of more than 400) that Bikeray/China manufactures for Cyclops is this particular LED.
    .Most of our products are made in the good ol USA.
    That includes Bulbs, Ballast, Boards, cords,ect...

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    Quote Originally Posted by off road rider
    I wish you well on this.. I would also be a bit upset..
    TO BE CLEAR... the ONLY product (out of more than 400) that Bikeray/China manufactures for Cyclops is this particular LED.
    .Most of our products are made in the good ol USA.
    That includes Bulbs, Ballast, Boards, cords,ect...
    I got it~!
    Cyclops~!
    We talked a lot over the phone....
    Sorry Cyclops...
    I will not reveal anymore.
    Promise~!
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    Quote Originally Posted by znomit
    Claims from self declared "Official" dealers about counterfeit lights are common.
    Usually they allude to poor quality and make vague claims about being the original designers.
    Could you please post pics and technical comparisons showing how these fake lights differ.

    I'm guessing the only significant difference is price.

    We all know official isn't always best, with one "master" dealer having 100% failure rate on one product with no remedy yet.
    I agree.with you.
    But I can not on the issue of prices. Other day, I went to buy a set of new tires for my city car. Man~!!! I was offered from $60 to $110 per tire. for same size. They all offer same 40000 mile warranty. I asked why, the answer was rather simple. Because they are from overseas.
    Original Designer, you are right on that too.
    Many times, original design is not so good. That is why we keep improving on our lights. Copying from others~? I will say, Not copying., But learning and make it better than theirs.
    I don't know about other companies, but we as BikeRay USA spent a lot of money and time to make it happen. We are not just a buy and sell like others..... We actually got involved on production, tests, etc that noo other sales distributors have done. Don't you think 2.5+ years working on bicycle lighting is enough~? and never sold anything before we got finalized with BikeRay-I & II. Yet, we are not done. We are still working to improve even more on Ray-I & II. We are not over looking even smallest details but we fight a lot with manufacture. Because we put ourseves as any customers, not a seller. You can contact China and ask them how many times we had huge arguments over quality issues. Boy~! we almost lost our contract. But we had to, if I don't like something, others will feel same. Customers are not dumb. I am a customer to someone too. And I don't like to be treated as stupid either..... Maybe that is why I hate ebay....~!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfTheHills
    you just dont get it do you
    No..... am I missing something~???
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerayusa
    No..... am I missing something~???
    HELLO! i was talking about king of the hill my one hill brother not you ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfTheHills
    HELLO! i was talking about king of the hill my one hill brother not you ^^
    Is he your real brother or a fake poor quality brotherfromanothermother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by znomit
    Is he your real brother or a fake poor quality brotherfromanothermother?
    Hahaha! That's a good one. I'm the original though, he's the knockoff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfTheHill
    Hahaha! That's a good one. I'm the original though, he's the knockoff.
    By knockoff you mean he has been redesigned without all your faults.
    Sorry dude, you're obsolete now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerayusa
    I got it~!
    Cyclops~!
    We talked a lot over the phone....
    Sorry Cyclops...
    I will not reveal anymore.
    Promise~!
    No worries here We have no secrets to keep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfTheHills
    HELLO! i was talking about king of the hill my one hill brother not you ^^
    hhhhh~!
    sorry....~! after all, it is funny to be here online with you guys.
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    I've never heard of bikeray, sorry.

    Can you actually provide a photographic teardown of both your light and the "fake" ?

    The ones I just found on ebay look pretty good ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLee
    I've never heard of bikeray, sorry.

    Can you actually provide a photographic teardown of both your light and the "fake" ?

    The ones I just found on ebay look pretty good ;-)
    Hello MrLee;
    The one on ebay its from us. We just listed so people can see and go to our website.
    It is normal that you haven't heard much about us. In fact, we are about a year old on bicycle lighting. And start marketing in US since last October. But we spent more than 1/2 year to make right modifications, R&D, testings, etc...

    I am not sure who you are and why you are asking me this question,,,to teardown....

    I am not going to do what you are asking on our lights, just to please you. the 'Fake one" we found was from Orlando, and GA area. bikeshop and our rep there actually saw and touched the unit that a customer walked in with.

    We asked where he got the unit from, he only revealed to us from such Fleamart..... where we did find the seller but we didn't do anything yet, until we can get all legal issue to been taken care of first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLee
    I've never heard of bikeray, sorry.

    Can you actually provide a photographic teardown of both your light and the "fake" ?

    The ones I just found on ebay look pretty good ;-)
    Be carefull Mr Lee, they are probably copies of the counterfeit Bikeray lights.


    Quote Originally Posted by znomit
    Is he your real brother or a fake poor quality brotherfromanothermother?
    No, he's a knockoff of the original

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    I found them on the UK ebay site, so suspect they are not from you.

    So are these real or fake -



    http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/37...showimage.html

    It is hard to qualify any fake or original if you can't provide details of what is different other than "lower quality" when it is possible they are actually the same light.

    Are you actually talking about unlicensed production of the light using your name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26
    Be carefull Mr Lee, they are probably copies of the counterfeit Bikeray lights.



    No, he's a knockoff of the original
    hhhhh~!!!!
    emu26;
    thats good.
    Anyway, here is the link of our ebay ad.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/Super-Bright-Bik...item2561972062
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLee
    I found them on the UK ebay site, so suspect they are not from you.

    So are these real or fake -



    http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/37...showimage.html

    It is hard to qualify any fake or original if you can't provide details of what is different other than "lower quality" when it is possible they are actually the same light.

    Are you actually talking about unlicensed production of the light using your name?
    Hew~!!!!
    First, the fakes don't advertise. The one you got is from our manufacture. we listed on alibaba.com
    If you read .... I described how the fakes look..
    same body of ray-II but rear area is as Ray-I. Both had 'BikRay" logo on top with same letter fonts.
    We, from China got confirmation from printing supplier, that they did provided to (a company), we contacted some knnown people inside of that (company) and got that was truth. Plus, we were handled some proofs with samples as well.

    Since its not legally tended yet, I can not go further.....sorry. guys~!!!
    But thanks sincerely.
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    Oh~! if you are in U.S, only source you got is from us, our reps, and dealers.
    We never sold to a fleamart people. We sold directly to customers, bicycleshops, and most of infos are with our reps.
    Make sure you find paperworks, our testing dates, names or initials etc.
    Prior customers knows on these.
    And, our address is there as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLee
    I found them on the UK ebay site, so suspect they are not from you.

    So are these real or fake -



    http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/37...showimage.html

    It is hard to qualify any fake or original if you can't provide details of what is different other than "lower quality" when it is possible they are actually the same light.

    Are you actually talking about unlicensed production of the light using your name?
    Yes~
    And I have explained farely well~!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerayusa
    Not copying., But learning and make it better than theirs.
    I don't know about other companies, but we as BikeRay USA spent a lot of money and time to make it happen. We are not just a buy and sell like others..... We actually got involved on production, tests, etc that noo other sales distributors have done.
    Better than Lupine that got it right the FIRST time how so?
    They are the ones who did the testing, design, production, etc... you guys are only leeches!
    Sorry but that its the truth; develop your OWN design and THEN you will get my respect; although I won't be selling my Lupines any time soon to buy your "new and redesign light"
    Cheers
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    Lets just say,,,,a car.
    The manufacture of this car, doesn't make every single piece of it. Most of parts are from suppliers, and we are talking of a lot of suppliers.
    As BikeRay, yes, we do have suppliers as well. Those suppliers are dedicated on each part that we asked them to produce for us.
    In this case, Shenzhen is where most of suppliers are located for LED or most of lighting productions...
    It is quite easy to find suppliers and same time, it is easy to cheat or be cheated~!
    And they are all basically neighbors, just few blocks away from each other..
    Maybe within one block, you will be able to find 10 companies doing related business....

    If anyone have been in China, probably know what I am talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerayusa
    Lets just say,,,,a car.
    The manufacture of this car, doesn't make every single piece of it. Most of parts are from suppliers, and we are talking of a lot of suppliers.
    As BikeRay, yes, we do have suppliers as well. Those suppliers are dedicated on each part that we asked them to produce for us.
    In this case, Shenzhen is where most of suppliers are located for LED or most of lighting productions...
    It is quite easy to find suppliers and same time, it is easy to cheat or be cheated~!
    And they are all basically neighbors, just few blocks away from each other..
    Maybe within one block, you will be able to find 10 companies doing related business....

    If anyone have been in China, probably know what I am talking about.
    Although most cars aren't made from half a dozen components, all of which are the same as another car. ;-)

    It sounds like your supplier also sold some of the same lights to another customer but with the same branding on? - if this is the case, then it is more a case of trademark infringement? (since you can't actually say what is different rather than lettering).

    *cough* same light *cough*

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBW
    Better than Lupine that got it right the FIRST time how so?
    They are the ones who did the testing, design, production, etc... you guys are only leeches!
    Sorry but that its the truth; develop your OWN design and THEN you will get my respect; although I won't be selling my Lupines any time soon to buy your "new and redesign light"
    Cheers
    Good Lord~!
    Did I mentioned anything about Lupine~?
    In fact, everyone learned a lot from Lupine, not just MS, BR, GM etc etc from China. But old American brands too.
    We are NOT here to argue, who is the first one or last one...
    There are many lighting companies who makes for bicycles, motorcycles, marines, etc.... they all basically share basic techs and so on.. Its not something you hide and done. Tech is there, everywhere. Its not just Lupine's, or NR's... it who put that concept first in the market place. And the rest is history.
    Great that you like your Lupine, I do like my betty too. Its just heavier, and I got to take care of it like a baby, cause I paif so much money for it. I am affraid it might get a scratch~!
    I got a cheap street car,,,,, toyota Yaris... I drive everyday locally. I got bunch of door dings, shopping cart scratches, etc... But I don't worry as much as my other car that i had to pay much more.
    They do same thing,.,,,, they gets me from point one to point two with no problems...
    My brother never takes his MB or BMW to go to walmart.... do you~?

    As it goes for the lights, LED is LED, specially when they are from one or two manufacture.
    Its all about who, how they manage right components, design conception, and $$$ to put into the product and marketing.
    We are not highly $$$$ company. In fact, every penny came from our entire savings and even had to borrow.....
    We put our soul, name, faces,,,,everything into this so called "Cheap" lights you are refering. Why someone would do that~?
    Why do you get married~? because you just love her or him~? there should be more than that, right~?
    Because you trust her or him, you want to spend rest of your life with her or him, because you know that you will be proud to entire world that you are married to that person... am I wrong~?

    That is same reason why we, put our name on BikeRay.
    Yet, we fought a lot..... just like most of married couples.... we almost got in to divorce too...
    International marriage is not an easy thing to do.....trust me~!
    But, now we have mutual understanding on most of things.... few things we still argue... but hey don't you too~?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLee
    Although most cars aren't made from half a dozen components, all of which are the same as another car. ;-)

    It sounds like your supplier also sold some of the same lights to another customer but with the same branding on? - if this is the case, then it is more a case of trademark infringement? (since you can't actually say what is different rather than lettering).

    *cough* same light *cough*
    hhhh~!
    thanks MrLee;
    you can keep coughing~!!!
    I got the confirmation from Manufacture and they investigated with our staffs too.
    I think you are asking a bit more than usual people.... are you somewhat related to another lighting co~?
    It doesn't matter...

    Thank you MrLee, but no, I will not reveal anymore than we need to. At least not for now.
    Nice try~!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerayusa
    hhhh~!
    thanks MrLee;
    you can keep coughing~!!!
    I got the confirmation from Manufacture and they investigated with our staffs too.
    I think you are asking a bit more than usual people.... are you somewhat related to another lighting co~?
    It doesn't matter...

    Thank you MrLee, but no, I will not reveal anymore than we need to. At least not for now.
    Nice try~!
    I was merely intrigued as to how the "fake" light differed from your own, other than you saying it contained your name, which suggested it was produced at the same plant, as in all honesty, and not meaning any disrespect, it is unlikely that someone would copy your light/brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerayusa
    Good Lord~!
    Did I mentioned anything about Lupine~?
    In fact, everyone learned a lot from Lupine, not just MS, BR, GM etc etc from China. But old American brands too.
    We are NOT here to argue, who is the first one or last one...
    There are many lighting companies who makes for bicycles, motorcycles, marines, etc.... they all basically share basic techs and so on.. Its not something you hide and done. Tech is there, everywhere. Its not just Lupine's, or NR's... it who put that concept first in the market place. And the rest is history.
    Great that you like your Lupine, I do like my betty too. Its just heavier, and I got to take care of it like a baby, cause I paif so much money for it. I am affraid it might get a scratch~!
    I got a cheap street car,,,,, toyota Yaris... I drive everyday locally. I got bunch of door dings, shopping cart scratches, etc... But I don't worry as much as my other car that i had to pay much more.
    They do same thing,.,,,, they gets me from point one to point two with no problems...
    My brother never takes his MB or BMW to go to walmart.... do you~?

    As it goes for the lights, LED is LED, specially when they are from one or two manufacture.
    Its all about who, how they manage right components, design conception, and $$$ to put into the product and marketing.
    We are not highly $$$$ company. In fact, every penny came from our entire savings and even had to borrow.....
    We put our soul, name, faces,,,,everything into this so called "Cheap" lights you are refering. Why someone would do that~?
    Why do you get married~? because you just love her or him~? there should be more than that, right~?
    Because you trust her or him, you want to spend rest of your life with her or him, because you know that you will be proud to entire world that you are married to that person... am I wrong~?

    That is same reason why we, put our name on BikeRay.
    Yet, we fought a lot..... just like most of married couples.... we almost got in to divorce too...
    International marriage is not an easy thing to do.....trust me~!
    But, now we have mutual understanding on most of things.... few things we still argue... but hey don't you too~?
    Wow, I don't post of mtbr very often but that post was the largest amount of rubbish I've read in a long time. You appear to be seeking far too much attention about someone else producing another generic light. You can't show us anything because you are in legal proceedings but you post on a public forum. Hmmm, How very professional of you.

    As for not wanting to use a better light because it might get scratched... get a life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeRetro
    Wow, I don't post of mtbr very often but that post was the largest amount of rubbish I've read in a long time. You appear to be seeking far too much attention about someone else producing another generic light. You can't show us anything because you are in legal proceedings but you post on a public forum. Hmmm, How very professional of you.

    As for not wanting to use a better light because it might get scratched... get a life.
    You are getting all wrong.
    I am not in to getting attention... in fact, I was merely writing anything here until rescently.
    And this time, I did with just one intention to protect our name as well as manufactures.
    I do use my betty, don't get me wrong.
    But what I meant is, I don't feel need to use it in regular bases other than when I need to go to 2-3 day trip to deep woods, or when I take my bike to long over night trips without need of using it wildly.
    If you have a lamborgini doesn't mean you will use to drive fast everytime.

    I do use time to time, but I pay much more attention to it than other lights I got. wont you~?

    I wish I can spend more time here today, but I got to take my son to Supercross now.
    And its Saturday... Not fun to my son that daddy is spending all day Saturday on pc.
    Sorry guys....~!
    Have A Great Weekend~!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerayusa
    That is same reason why we, put our name on BikeRay.
    Yet, we fought a lot..... just like most of married couples.... we almost got in to divorce too...
    International marriage is not an easy thing to do.....trust me~!
    Dude, I'm really sorry to be the one to have to tell you this...
    Your wife is cheating on you.
    And not just the once, shes been all over the neighborhood.

    Ummm, she told me you were OK with it, honest. I had no idea you would be so upset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by znomit
    Dude, I'm really sorry to be the one to have to tell you this...
    Your wife is cheating on you.
    And not just the once, shes been all over the neighborhood.

    Ummm, she told me you were OK with it, honest. I had no idea you would be so upset.
    hahahaha-!
    funny.

    I am at supercross and having a good time with my son.
    Sorry, you didn't, couldn't ruin my day with my son.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerayusa
    Good Lord~!
    Did I mentioned anything about Lupine~?
    In fact, everyone learned a lot from Lupine, not just MS, BR, GM etc etc from China. But old American brands too.
    We are NOT here to argue, who is the first one or last one...
    There are many lighting companies who makes for bicycles, motorcycles, marines, etc.... they all basically share basic techs and so on.. Its not something you hide and done. Tech is there, everywhere. Its not just Lupine's, or NR's... it who put that concept first in the market place. And the rest is history.
    Great that you like your Lupine, I do like my betty too. Its just heavier, and I got to take care of it like a baby, cause I paif so much money for it. I am affraid it might get a scratch~!
    I got a cheap street car,,,,, toyota Yaris... I drive everyday locally. I got bunch of door dings, shopping cart scratches, etc... But I don't worry as much as my other car that i had to pay much more.
    They do same thing,.,,,, they gets me from point one to point two with no problems...
    My brother never takes his MB or BMW to go to walmart.... do you~?

    As it goes for the lights, LED is LED, specially when they are from one or two manufacture.
    Its all about who, how they manage right components, design conception, and $$$ to put into the product and marketing.
    We are not highly $$$$ company. In fact, every penny came from our entire savings and even had to borrow.....
    We put our soul, name, faces,,,,everything into this so called "Cheap" lights you are refering. Why someone would do that~?
    Why do you get married~? because you just love her or him~? there should be more than that, right~?
    Because you trust her or him, you want to spend rest of your life with her or him, because you know that you will be proud to entire world that you are married to that person... am I wrong~?

    That is same reason why we, put our name on BikeRay.
    Yet, we fought a lot..... just like most of married couples.... we almost got in to divorce too...
    International marriage is not an easy thing to do.....trust me~!
    But, now we have mutual understanding on most of things.... few things we still argue... but hey don't you too~?
    I appreciate your time and understand (not share) some of your points. I wish you good luck in your "marriage"
    In my short life and even been a little OCD I have been learning not to worry too much about those dings and scratches; they will come eventually with use
    Don't worry about your Betty been scratched; the lens is user replaceable and you can call Bill, he will send you one
    BTW the Betty is not heavy, we're talking about 3 or 4 ounces in your head. Your 15 oz helmet doesn't bother you when riding doesn't it? My Wilma has seen many crashes and still kicking after 3 years, what a tough light, runs smooth and bright like new and I was able to upgrade LEDs to new technology so I plan for it (them) to last me many many years (that's why I bought them, not to save them for the "big" ride"; I enjoy them every time I can!
    Use your "other"car a little more or it will get old without been enjoyed
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBW
    I appreciate your time and understand (not share) some of your points. I wish you good luck in your "marriage"
    In my short life and even been a little OCD I have been learning not to worry too much about those dings and scratches; they will come eventually with use
    Don't worry about your Betty been scratched; the lens is user replaceable and you can call Bill, he will send you one
    BTW the Betty is not heavy, we're talking about 3 or 4 ounces in your head. Your 15 oz helmet doesn't bother you when riding doesn't it? My Wilma has seen many crashes and still kicking after 3 years, what a tough light, runs smooth and bright like new and I was able to upgrade LEDs to new technology so I plan for it (them) to last me many many years (that's why I bought them, not to save them for the "big" ride"; I enjoy them every time I can!
    Use your "other"car a little more or it will get old without been enjoyed
    Hey thank you.
    when I mentioned about the marriage, I meant about business. Not real marriage.

    boy- - -
    I do like this new phones, but it takes a lot of my time away. I am still at the supercross and getting these alerts. . .
    Anyway, what I meant was I do use betty, but not on everyday use. Just when I feel that I will need stronger lighting than what I have.
    I don't and can't use it when I am riding with my son to go around block where we live.
    Its a lot of $ to use to go to market or burger king. In fact, last year someone stold my bike front of McDonalds. . . . . i had prototype of BikeRay light on it then. Never found my specialized bike again.
    And please , All I tried here is to anounce that there are some none BikeRay light are being sold that looks like our BikeRay. Thats all.
    I really don't get why people are taking it to other side.
    woops. . . . Race is almost over. . . .
    Thank you anyway.
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    By the way, I do use my other car when I have to go out of city. Even made cross country to CA.
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    Hey Bikeray my advise is: stop posting here; it will consume your life and will get you nothing but a bunch of e-fights hehehehe. Specially stop replying to EVERY single post!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBW
    Hey Bikeray my advise is: stop posting here; it will consume your life and will get you nothing but a bunch of e-fights hehehehe. Specially stop replying to EVERY single post!
    you are right.
    zeeeeeeep
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    Wow you guys need to just chill. He was just posting to make sure people bought the proper light that you payed for.

    If he cheated you all and not provided good service then you all have something to say

    Not sure why you guys have to be pricks and bash on him...just my 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerayusa
    Hey thank you.
    when I mentioned about the marriage, I meant about business. Not real marriage.

    boy- - -
    ...you should of said, " boy.... ".

    For the record, I understood the metaphor when you first used it. Since your first OP you have now experienced what is usually referred to in western culture as a "baptism by fire". This basically means you will be tested ( and or taunted ) by your peers ( on forum ) to see what kind of person you are. So far you're doing pretty good. Keep up the good work. Don't let the LL's ( Lupine lovers ) scare you as nothing will ever please them unless it is marked with the holy name of Lupine. ( last sentence said in total jest. )

    ( hope you enjoyed taking your son to the show. Time for me to get ready for my Birthday dinner, see, ya. )

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