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    The Battery Thread: 2013

    I thought it a good idea to start a thread on replacement batteries since a lot of people are considering changing or upgrading the battery for their light system. If you need information on batteries for a new light or just a replacement for the old one this is the place to ask questions. If you have links or suggestions on where to get good batteries ( or not so good... ) please feel free to post a suggestion.

    For the sake of convenience most discussion will likely revolve around Li-ion batteries so I'm supplying a link to "Battery University" for people who might first want to read up on the technology. Regardless if you have posts or questions having to do with other battery chemistries please feel free to post up.

    Likely there will be several conversations going on at the same time about different battery set ups. Just make sure you quote or mention "@" whoever you want to comment about. This will help keep all the conversations in order and avoid confusion.

    Vendors with special offers on batteries please feel free to post up. I'm going to try to keep a list of Links that offer compatible batteries that work with the standard MagicShine/Bikeray/Xeccon/Clone ...etc...connectors. The list will be right here in the first post. I'll try to update it every week or so if it becomes a popular thread. Hopefully with people chiming in we will get quite a list going. If this works maybe get the moderator to make it a sticky. Thanks. CAt.

    ...................THE BATTERY LIST

    Batteries will be listed in order of capacity, cell type and number, and voltage. To keep things more informative I've decided to issue alerts if any of the batteries listed have any disputed quality issues. The alert will look like this> ( ALERT) .
    This doesn't mean if you buy one you will get a bad battery. It is just a warning. Buy at your own risk.

    High-Capacity 10000mAh Li-ion.........4 x 26650.........7.4 volts..........MS type connectors ( verified )
    ( ALERT)

    Gemini 7800mAh Li-ion......6 x 18650 ( Samsung cells ) ....7.4 volts.....MS type connectors ( verified )

    Xeccon 6600mAh Li-ion.........6 x 18650 BAK cells.......7.4 volts.......MS type connectors ( verified )

    Gloworm 5800mAh Li-ion......4 x 18650 ( Panasonic cells )......7.4 volts......MS type connectors ( verified )

    ActionLED (MagicShine) 5600mAh Li-ion.......4 x 18650 Samsung cells.....7.4 volts....MS connectors ( verified )

    Bikeray 5200mAh Li-ion.......4 x 18650 ( BAK?) cells.......7.4 volts.......MS type connectors ( verified )

    Waterproof 5200mAh Li-ion.........4 x 18650.........7.4 volts........*MS type connectors ( *not verified )

    Ballistic Batteries: 5200mAh Li-ion.........4 x 18650........7.4 volts........MS type connectors ( verified )

    Open Light 4500mAh Li-ion.........4 x 18650 ( Panasonic cells ).......7.4 volts........MS type connectors ( verified )

    Tenergy 4400mAh Li-ion.........4 x 18650 (square)........7.4 volts..........no connectors

    Xeccon 4400mAh Li-ion.........4 x 18650 BAK cells (square)......7.4 volts......MS type connectors ( verified )

    Ballistic Batteries: 4400mAh Li-ion........4 x 18650 ( square ).......7.4 volts.......MS type connectors ( verified )

    Deal Extreme 4400mAh Li-ion.......4 x 18650.........7.4 volts..........MS type connectors ( verified )

    Tenergy 2800mAh...........2 x 18650 ( Samsung )........7.4 volts...........no connectors
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    I have a couple Gemini Xera's that I use and have a few battery packs that I've put together. The most recent was this pack, All-Battery.com: AT: Tenergy Li-Ion 18650 7.4V 4400mAh Square PCB Protected Rechargeable Battery Module w/ 20AWG Bare Leads which seemed for the price a great deal. I soldered on a magicshine connector and all has been good. I get 14 hours of run time with the xera on low. (great for multiday bikepacking races where you inevitably end up riding long hours at night).
    However, I was looking to build a 2 cell pack to mount on my helmet (to eliminate the weight of the extension cable) and saw these with Samsung cells All-Battery.com: AT: Samsung Li-Ion 18650 Cylindrical 7.4V 2800mAh Flat Top Rechargeable Battery w/ PCM Protection. Little more expensive, but higher energy density...
    Thoughts on that? Is there a better source for these?
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    Im here also if any of you have some questions on batteries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybum View Post
    I have a couple Gemini Xera's that I use and have a few battery packs that I've put together. The most recent was this pack, All-Battery.com: AT: Tenergy Li-Ion 18650 7.4V 4400mAh Square PCB Protected Rechargeable Battery Module w/ 20AWG Bare Leads which seemed for the price a great deal. I soldered on a magicshine connector and all has been good. I get 14 hours of run time with the xera on low. (great for multiday bikepacking races where you inevitably end up riding long hours at night).
    However, I was looking to build a 2 cell pack to mount on my helmet (to eliminate the weight of the extension cable) and saw these with Samsung cells All-Battery.com: AT: Samsung Li-Ion 18650 Cylindrical 7.4V 2800mAh Flat Top Rechargeable Battery w/ PCM Protection. Little more expensive, but higher energy density...
    Thoughts on that? Is there a better source for these?
    Good find if you have some DIY skills and the connectors. For people wondering where to get the connectors you just buy a MS type extension cord from almost anywhere for a couple bucks, cut the plug off that you need and splice the two sides together.

    Interesting that All Battery is offering these at such a good price. A while back you had to kill to get a square four cell from All Battery. Still all things considered there are other good quality square four cell batteries available with the plugs already supplied. You'll see that once the list starts to get bigger. That two cell 2800mAh Samsung battery is a pretty good deal and will be hard to beat.

    Thanks for posting those listings. Your recommendations are the first on the list > ( see post #1 )

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    I have the original Magicshine headlight, without a battery and could use a recommendation. I don't need the highest level of performance as this will be used for commuting. Two hr. at high power would be great.

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    Interesting link. The only thing that bothers me is the connector, which looks to be square. I own a MagicShine 808E which does not use a square connector. Tex, do you own one of these?

    Quote Originally Posted by pigmode View Post
    I have the original Magicshine headlight, without a battery and could use a recommendation. I don't need the highest level of performance as this will be used for commuting. Two hr. at high power would be great.
    Well it all depends on how much money you want to spend. If you want to go cheap you could try something like this. I didn't put it in the " Battery list " because they don't list a capacity for the battery. It could be 4400mAh or maybe 4000mAh. If 4000mAh you should still get 2 hrs out of it. No telling what brand batteries these are. Buy one of these and you are rolling the dice.

    I've up-dated the battery list ( in post #1 ). A couple there you might be interested in.

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    I bought a couple of magicshines from geoman so was involved in the recall and received the replacement batteries. Never had a problem with the original batteries but one of the replacements died almost immediately - Sad because the casing/mount is really neat and now is just a chunk of useless plastic with a velcro strap. I ordered a replacement from ballistic batteries but haven't used it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POG View Post
    I bought a couple of magicshines from geoman so was involved in the recall and received the replacement batteries. Never had a problem with the original batteries but one of the replacements died almost immediately - Sad because the casing/mount is really neat and now is just a chunk of useless plastic with a velcro strap. I ordered a replacement from ballistic batteries but haven't used it yet.
    I just took a quick look-see at the "Ballistic batteries" website. Looks to be pretty much hobby batteries. They do offer a "replacement MagicShine battery" but the one in the photo they show looks like it is a 4 cell "flat pack",
    ( rather than the typical square pack ). As long as you have no problem mounting a "flat pack" then it should work just fine.

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    I like the flat 4 cell packs for use with a helmet light. Fits more nicely than a 4 cell cube when carried in the jersey pocket.

    For those using individual 18650s, I'll give a shout out for the Callies Kustoms Panasonic 3400mA cells. They run my micro helmet light nearly twice as long as my *****fire "2600mA" cells. Much more expensive, but worth it IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    I like the flat 4 cell packs for use with a helmet light. Fits more nicely than a 4 cell cube when carried in the jersey pocket.

    For those using individual 18650s, I'll give a shout out for the Callies Kustoms Panasonic 3400mA cells. They run my micro helmet light nearly twice as long as my *****fire "2600mA" cells. Much more expensive, but worth it IMO.
    Agree on all points. Yep a flat pack in a pocket or backpack works fine but if you mount on a frame it is not as easy as a square pack although back in the day I used to frame mount a flat pack 4-cell Nimh battery.

    Yep, when it comes to using single cells the Panasonics hands down are the batteries you want to use. I bought a set of 3100's last year and they are worth the extra money beyond a doubt. This year I will likely buy a set of 3400's just so I have some extra cells. Besides all my other cheap/single 18650's are getting quite old. Time for some more better cells.

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    connector is round not sequre.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Interesting link. The only thing that bothers me is the connector, which looks to be square. I own a MagicShine 808E which does not use a square connector. Tex, do you own one of these?

    Here is the link again:Amazon.com: Panasonic Cell Open Light 4.5AH Li-ion Battery for MagicShine MJ-808, MJ-808E, MJ-816, MJ-816E, MJ-872 Bicylce Lights: Everything Else

    I do have one of these. The connector is round not square, and is compatible with Magicshine lights. I think the picture shown is for a Lupine light which the same company also makes(here is a link to one of those: Open Light Systems LLC | Lupine 4.5 Ah (original 5.0 Ah) Li-Ion Battery - for all Lupine Lamp Heads (ideal for Lupine Betty, Wilma, Tesla, Piko, Edison & Nightmare) | Lithium Ion Batteries and Accessories for Lupine, Sigma, MyTinySun, MagicShine, Bik

    Also the battery pouch that it came with seems nicely made. Only issue I have is it claims in the description to have a "waterproof rubber coating" , but like the picture indicates it is just shrink rapped. I plan on just using this inside my pack, so this isn't too much of an issue for me.
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    That 10000mah one says 8.4v on the website?

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    I've been using a Open Light System battery on my Betty for nearly two years without any issues. I use it most morning and it has been a great battery for me.
    Here's a link I started a few years back on Open Light System:
    Open Light Systems?

    I know they now have a USA site, which will make buying a little easier for the North American gang.
    I would not hesitate to buy another from these guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woody.1 View Post
    I've been using a Open Light System battery on my Betty for nearly two years without any issues. I use it most morning and it has been a great battery for me.
    Here's a link I started a few years back on Open Light System:
    Open Light Systems?

    I know they now have a USA site, which will make buying a little easier for the North American gang.
    I would not hesitate to buy another from these guys.
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    This is the same brand as the amazon link above ($42.99 shipped).

    Amazon.com: Panasonic Cell Open Light 4.5AH Li-ion Battery for MagicShine MJ-808, MJ-808E, MJ-816, MJ-816E, MJ-872 Bicylce Lights: Everything Else
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    I decided to be a guinea pig and buy one of the 10000mAh batteries from Lt-Box. It did not work when I received it. I contacted their customer service and they had me send them a video of it not working hooked to a charger and a light. Next they told me to send it back and they said they would pay for return shipping. I informed them that return shipping costs as much as the battery itself. They told me there is a cheaper method to ship it back to China but they can't tell me exactly what that method is. My last request was that they refund my money or send a new battery. I haven't gotten a response yet.

    I figured I should warn others not to buy this battery or anything else from Lt-Box. Here are some pictures with the shrink wrap removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I just took a quick look-see at the "Ballistic batteries" website. Looks to be pretty much hobby batteries. They do offer a "replacement MagicShine battery" but the one in the photo they show looks like it is a 4 cell "flat pack",
    ( rather than the typical square pack ). As long as you have no problem mounting a "flat pack" then it should work just fine.
    The one I received is a square pack - mounting it in one of my original magicshine battery pack holder thingys (only turned in the batteries for the recall).

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    I'm no expert, but that battery looks as though it's leaking. Did you pay for ity on Visa? If all else fails, and Lt-Box refuse to refund your money, you could threaten to call your credit card company and dispute the charge for the battery. Merchants rightly fear this, since blacklisting from a card provider means loss of the ability to process credit card transactions from that company. However, as a first line of defense, I would still recommend diplomacy toward the merchant, and launching a dispute claim with Paypal. If Lt-Box are smart, they will be reasonable, and conclude that it's easier/cheaper for them to issue a refund rather than paying for the return of something that's broken and useless to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanceuppercut View Post
    I decided to be a guinea pig and buy one of the 1000mAh batteries from Lt-Box. It did not work when I received it. I contacted their customer service and they had me send them a video of it not working hooked to a charger and a light. Next they told me to send it back and they said they would pay for return shipping. I informed them that return shipping costs as much as the battery itself. They told me there is a cheaper method to ship it back to China but they can't tell me exactly what that method is. My last request was that they refund my money or send a new battery. I haven't gotten a response yet.

    I figured I should warn others not to buy this battery or anything else from Lt-Box....
    I going to assume you had a type error and are referring to the 10000mAh battery. I agree with FuzzyD on this, the battery looks to be leaking and would be hazardous to return. Send them another e-mail with a photo and explain that returning the battery could be considered illegal.

    If you do decide to return the battery just send it at the lowest postal rate available which is "First Class Mail® International Parcel". This should cost about $11.60 USD for a one pound parcel. Also, take a photo of the parcel with all the postage before you give to the post office. The Chinese like photos. It shows steps being done right.

    Keep in mind that they did offer to pay postage. Perhaps they can e-mail you the postage label ( which is the easy way to do it ). Also keep in mind that you did tamper with the product by taking off the shrink wrap. As such most companies are not under obligation to accept a return if the product was tampered with.

    Send it back, let them give you a new one. If they don't credit your paypal or credit card you can complain to paypal or the card company. This is called doing the Chinese jig...yes it's a PITA but at least the people at Light box are working with you. My guess is the battery got exposed to excessive heat somewhere along the line. Hope the next one is better. Let's not blacklist Ltbox unless they don't follow through with their obligations. ( ** In response to your post I issued a warning on this battery ( see list post #1 ). If the issue is resolved please let us know. )

    @JamesBass > Yes, 8.4 volt is the peak voltage. I am listing only the nominal voltages but 8.4 volt is typical peak voltage for all 7.4 volt batteries. Some websites list the peak voltage others the nominal. That's just the way it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by POG View Post
    The one I received is a square pack - mounting it in one of my original magicshine battery pack holder thingys (only turned in the batteries for the recall).
    Okay, I'll edit the entry accordingly.

    Posted by Texas:
    I do have one of these. The connector is round not square, and is compatible with Magicshine lights. I think the picture shown is for a Lupine light which the same company also makes(here is a link to one of those: Open Light Systems LLC | Lupine 4.5 Ah (original 5.0 Ah) Li-Ion Battery - for all Lupine Lamp Heads (ideal for Lupine Betty, Wilma, Tesla, Piko, Edison & Nightmare) | Lithium Ion Batteries and Accessories for Lupine, Sigma, MyTinySun, MagicShine, Bik

    Also the battery pouch that it came with seems nicely made. Only issue I have is it claims in the description to have a "waterproof rubber coating" , but like the picture indicates it is just shrink rapped. I plan on just using this inside my pack, so this isn't too much of an issue for me.
    Okay Tex, I'll take your word for it. It goes up on the list. Some people will like that it uses Panasonic cells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I going to assume you had a type error and are referring to the 10000mAh battery. I agree with FuzzyD on this, the battery looks to be leaking and would be hazardous to return. Send them another e-mail with a photo and explain that returning the battery could be considered illegal.

    If you do decide to return the battery just send it at the lowest postal rate available which is "First Class Mail® International Parcel". This should cost about $11.60 USD for a one pound parcel. Also, take a photo of the parcel with all the postage before you give to the post office. The Chinese like photos. It shows steps being done right.

    Keep in mind that they did offer to pay postage. Perhaps they can e-mail you the postage label ( which is the easy way to do it ). Also keep in mind that you did tamper with the product by taking off the shrink wrap. As such most companies are not under obligation to accept a return if the product was tampered with.

    Send it back, let them give you a new one. If they don't credit your paypal or credit card you can complain to paypal or the card company. This is called doing the Chinese jig...yes it's a PITA but at least the people at Light box are working with you. My guess is the battery got exposed to excessive heat somewhere along the line. Hope the next one is better. Let's not blacklist Ltbox unless they don't follow through with their obligations. ( ** In response to your post I issued a warning on this battery ( see list post #1 ). If the issue is resolved please let us know. )

    @JamesBass > Yes, 8.4 volt is the peak voltage. I am listing only the nominal voltages but 8.4 volt is typical peak voltage for all 7.4 volt batteries. Some websites list the peak voltage others the nominal. That's just the way it is.
    I'll keep you posted. It seems there is a bit of a language barrier even via email so it's slow going in dealing with the problem.
    I didn't remove the shrink wrap until after I could feel that it was leaking. At that point I had decided there was no way I was going to ship it back and I'd rather just call it a loss.

    I figure I've had good luck with the Chinese products and I'm about due for a bad one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanceuppercut View Post
    I'll keep you posted. It seems there is a bit of a language barrier even via email so it's slow going in dealing with the problem.
    I didn't remove the shrink wrap until after I could feel that it was leaking. At that point I had decided there was no way I was going to ship it back and I'd rather just call it a loss.

    I figure I've had good luck with the Chinese products and I'm about due for a bad one.
    Been there....I've had a couple products belly up before there time. In my case one drop-in and one torch. Never bothered trying to return. For the money I spend I just called it a loss as well. Sooner or later we all roll a snake eyes...

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    file a paypal dispute and get your money back. The "take pics/ send it back/ who pays for postage" dance around is a delaying tactic so that you'll go beyond the 45 day Paypal dispute window or just give up. If you don't get a refund notice on sending them the pictures, file a dispute. Most Chinese firms pay up within days, if that.

    In the meantime, make sure you store the battery outside, far from the house/ garage, until you can safely dispose of or recycle it.

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    Come to think of it, new batteries shouldn't leak. A few MTBRers have made mention of Chinese vendors (allegedly) using rebuilt batteries (i.e. new casing, recycled cells). I wonder if this is the case with your battery? It'd be difficult to prove, but if the auction was advertising a new product, and they sent you recycled, that would be against eBay ToS.

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    I bought it off their website using my Visa card, so no Paypal or Ebay to help resolve it. I sent them the pictures yesterday and they haven't responded. Up until then they had been returning my emails pretty quickly except over the weekend.

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    go straight for the "I will reverse charges if I do not receive a full refund in 3 days" approach then. I know that we want to think only the best of people, but a lot of Chinese websites make a good living by knowingly selling cheap defective products and hoping that sorting out a refund is too much hassle. I've been through it several times - the communication is great, lots of back and forth, do this do that, ah I see! and so on, but they won't give you your money back until you force them to.

    batteries like this, using recycled or scrap cells, are the reason behind that ban on sending li-ion batteries by air. They're clearly defective and the +ve tab to the PCB has either corroded or burnt through. This is no mishandling or postage defect. I'm sure they'll say "ah, but it was perfect when it left us, we only buy from super good factory" and they'll be lying.

    next time, think about using Paypal. They may be "evil" but they're the lesser of two evils

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    Thanks for posting this battery chart Can-man-do.
    This is helpful for anyone looking for a power pack replacement.
    BTW do you know that size of the connector Jack for the MS light?
    My version uses a 2.5mm

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    I'll give this one a try. The Xeccon battery on the list ships to HI for $20!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spartacus001 View Post
    Thanks for posting this battery chart Can-man-do.
    This is helpful for anyone looking for a power pack replacement.
    BTW do you know that size of the connector Jack for the MS light?
    My version uses a 2.5mm
    No, sorry but I really don't know how these connectors are offically measured and typed. That is why I just refer to them as "MagicShine (MS) type" connectors. At least when I say "MS" type connectors most know what I'm talking about.

    I did find a quick reference on the extension cord sold by D/X that calls them 5.4mm ( male/female ). The review mentioned they were MS compatible. I figure they are measuring the width of the male extension ( or the female opening ) which is about 5mm ( sorry I don't have a tool that will measure in tenths of a mm. )

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    Is there a reason the Gloworm battery isn't on the list? I only have a few rides on my X2s but the battery seems to run much longer than my GeoMan recall batteries ever did. I have yet to do a full run down on them so I don't have an solid run time but it's at least 2.5 hours with 40% left on the meter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhymel View Post
    Is there a reason the Gloworm battery isn't on the list? I only have a few rides on my X2s but the battery seems to run much longer than my GeoMan recall batteries ever did. I have yet to do a full run down on them so I don't have an solid run time but it's at least 2.5 hours with 40% left on the meter.

    Right now I'm trying to find a battery that is built with Panasonic cells that is high capacity. The Gloworm battery fits the bill but the price ( $125.28 USD ) is out-of-this-world.
    If I can't find another high-capacity Panasonic battery for a reasonable cost I will put the Gloworm battery on the list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Right now I'm trying to find a battery that is built with Panasonic cells that is high capacity. The Gloworm battery fits the bill but the price ( $125.28 USD ) is out-of-this-world.
    If I can't find another high-capacity Panasonic battery for a reasonable cost I will put the Gloworm battery on the list.
    It's $80 bucks plus shipping at action LED. Still not cheap but not out-of-this world : crazy:
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    If you are handy you might consider rebuilding your pack.
    I was able to get my dead pack working like new again.
    Here's how I did it.
    Dead Magic Shine Battery Pack – Revived

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    sorry someone got a bad pack from LT-BOX, I received mine last week from LT-BOX and put down a healthy 2 hr ride last night with the 3*XML and the 4*26650 battery pack and works as expected. Frame strap on the pack's bag was nice, sat nice right above the rear shock, about center top tube and didn't move entire ride.

    I think I finally don't need anymore lights LOL......see how long that will last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texas View Post
    It's $80 bucks plus shipping at action LED. Still not cheap but not out-of-this world : crazy:
    Thanks Tex. I was hoping to find one using the 3100 or 3400mAh cells but these will have to do for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BallisticBatteries View Post
    Im here also if any of you have some questions on batteries.
    Sorry, I meant to ask you some questions but forgot. Can you tell me about the two Ballistic batteries I put on the list....what brand of cells are they and are they square packs?

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    Action also has the Gemini 6-cell 7800mAh battery for $108. I've used this battery for about a year with my Olympia and Serfas True 1500, and it rocks.

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    We offer the Magic Shine compatible batteries in 3 current sizes: 5.8Ah, 8.7Ah and 17.4Ah. Not the cheapest in the world, but high quality. The waterproofing is done under the shrink wrap with a silicone process to protect the cells and the circuit board. The 8.7 is the only size I currently have in the US, but we should be getting more inventory soon.

    Open Light Systems Corporation | Batteries for MagicShine/ BikeRay -US site does not show the products that are currently out of stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POG View Post
    The one I received is a square pack - mounting it in one of my original magicshine battery pack holder thingys (only turned in the batteries for the recall).
    Thought I would report back that the battery I bought from Ballistic Batteries is working well to date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Right now I'm trying to find a battery that is built with Panasonic cells that is high capacity. The Gloworm battery fits the bill but the price ( $125.28 USD ) is out-of-this-world.
    If I can't find another high-capacity Panasonic battery for a reasonable cost I will put the Gloworm battery on the list.

    Is that for your Gloworm? No problems running without the built in gauge?

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    Bikeray's hidden treasure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Right now I'm trying to find a battery that is built with Panasonic cells that is high capacity. The Gloworm battery fits the bill but the price ( $125.28 USD ) is out-of-this-world.
    If I can't find another high-capacity Panasonic battery for a reasonable cost I will put the Gloworm battery on the list.
    Hey Cat, since you had the Bikeray battery on the battery list and a ? if it's BAK inside, I decided to tear down one to find out for sure - we had one from a warranty claim which was water damaged. Always felt Bikeray batteries were better quality than the MS ones but didn't quite knew why. So now we know.

    Xeccon Light may yet have Panasonic cells in some of their battery packs. We have extended the Xeccon 6600mAh batteries specials for US mtbr member's only. Posting Li-ion is now really beginning to be an issue. We'll keep an eye on USPS and more regulations from China.
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    It lives.

    Re-soldered the contact point which was corroded. Don't understand how that happened but it works now. Stuck it in a neoprene pouch for my personal use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pigmode View Post
    Is that for your Gloworm? No problems running without the built in gauge?
    No, I don't use the Gloworm battery. Currently I use a 5200mAh Bikeray battery with the Gloworm. Rarely have I ever deeply discharged the battery. Most of my rides at night are usually less than three hours long. As such I never worry about running out of battery juice

    I've never had a battery poop on me but that's because the Gloworm has a very good 300 lumen mode that I am more than happy to use most of the time.

    My batteries are getting old though. When the spring arrives I will take my own advice and do a run-time test on my batteries. If I decide I need a new battery it will be a 4-cell with either Panasonic or Samsung ( 2800mah or higher ) cells.

    I might also consider building my own 4-cell ( 6800mAh ) battery using Panasonic 3400mAh ( 18650 ) cells and using an old PCB from an old 4-cell pack. If I really had a need for longer run times I would probably go the DIY route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeccon View Post
    ..Xeccon Light may yet have Panasonic cells in some of their battery packs. We have extended the Xeccon 6600mAh batteries specials for US mtbr member's only. Posting Li-ion is now really beginning to be an issue. We'll keep an eye on USPS and more regulations from China.
    Hey Len if you do get a couple batteries with higher capacity Panasonic cells please give me a shout.

    Yeah, I'm beginning to worry if regulations will tighten with the shipping of Li-ion batteries. No problem though, if I order a battery from you just put a label on the outside stating, "Smoked Salmon" "Keep Cool".

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    I just received this battery from Kaidomain.
    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S020905
    It does NOT come with a bag or a charger.( So maybe the LTBox battery is a better deal...although one poster here got a bad one??)
    It does have MS style connectors....and did run my 3X clone out of the box.
    Weighs in a 400 grams on the nose.
    Took about 3 weeks to arrive in Boston,MA
    I will charge it up and get run times on Tuesday night...
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    Not impressed by the Kaidomain battery on the first try.
    Charged it with with the charger that came with my 3x XML lamp ( maybe this is the problem?)
    Got about 1.5 hours on high with the 3x lamp. It did sit in the car on a cold night...and the next evening....it only lasted another 30 minutes or so.( luckily, I brought the stock battery with me)
    So about 2 hours on high.
    I am going to order a MS charger from Action LED and give it another go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Not impressed by the Kaidomain battery on the first try.
    Charged it with with the charger that came with my 3x XML lamp ( maybe this is the problem?)
    Got about 1.5 hours on high with the 3x lamp. It did sit in the car on a cold night...and the next evening....it only lasted another 30 minutes or so.( luckily, I brought the stock battery with me)
    So about 2 hours on high.
    I am going to order a MS charger from Action LED and give it another go.
    That is so,"Not Promising".

    That battery should be at least be 7000mAh and giving you close to three hours on high. If it's not that is real bad. I think this is enough to earn it a warning.

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    Yup.

    And just to be clear: I charged it( until green light came on),I rode it for 1.5 hours , shut it off and left it in the car...and then it died a about 1/2 into the next ride.

    I am going to give it one more shot...otherwise it was a $25 d"oh!
    Oddly...and earlier poster said he got good hours out of his without charging.
    Hmmmmmm

    I do have a multi meter. Is there a way to check the battery with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Yup.

    And just to be clear: I charged it( until green light came on),I rode it for 1.5 hours , shut it off and left it in the car...and then it died a about 1/2 into the next ride.

    I am going to give it one more shot...otherwise it was a $25 d"oh!
    Oddly...and earlier poster said he got good hours out of his without charging.
    Hmmmmmm

    I do have a multi meter. Is there a way to check the battery with it?
    @Mayor....yes there is. You can check the voltage. Easier to do if you have a spare "male" plug with wires bared. It won't tell you though if the battery is bad or if the cells are unbalanced ( unless you tear it down and measure each cell separately ).

    Coming up soon: Review of Xeccon's 6600mAh six-cell BAK battery ( hard shell version )....

    Other interesting battery stuff: I noticed tonight that D/X is selling single Panasonic 18650 cells ( both protected and non-protected ). Some of the prices are pretty good. Hopefully these are the genuine product. Reviews of the 3100mAh cells were promising, 5 stars across the board. The 3400mAh cells are there as well albeit a bit more money.

    First vendor to put together an affordable 4-cell Panasonic 6200mAh battery
    ( or greater capacity ) wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    @Mayor....yes there is. You can check the voltage. Easier to do if you have a spare "male" plug with wires bared. It won't tell you though if the battery is bad or if the cells are unbalanced ( unless you tear it down and measure each cell separately ).

    Coming up soon: Review of Xeccon's 6600mAh six-cell BAK battery ( hard shell version )....
    Thanks for the info.

    And please don't review anymore batteries. I'll end up buying another one. This light and battery thing is turning into a sickness. I might have to find a 12 step program....

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