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    The Battery Thread: 2013

    I thought it a good idea to start a thread on replacement batteries since a lot of people are considering changing or upgrading the battery for their light system. If you need information on batteries for a new light or just a replacement for the old one this is the place to ask questions. If you have links or suggestions on where to get good batteries ( or not so good... ) please feel free to post a suggestion.

    For the sake of convenience most discussion will likely revolve around Li-ion batteries so I'm supplying a link to "Battery University" for people who might first want to read up on the technology. Regardless if you have posts or questions having to do with other battery chemistries please feel free to post up.

    Likely there will be several conversations going on at the same time about different battery set ups. Just make sure you quote or mention "@" whoever you want to comment about. This will help keep all the conversations in order and avoid confusion.

    Vendors with special offers on batteries please feel free to post up. I'm going to try to keep a list of Links that offer compatible batteries that work with the standard MagicShine/Bikeray/Xeccon/Clone ...etc...connectors. The list will be right here in the first post. I'll try to update it every week or so if it becomes a popular thread. Hopefully with people chiming in we will get quite a list going. If this works maybe get the moderator to make it a sticky. Thanks. CAt.

    ...................THE BATTERY LIST

    Batteries will be listed in order of capacity, cell type and number, and voltage. To keep things more informative I've decided to issue alerts if any of the batteries listed have any disputed quality issues. The alert will look like this> ( ALERT) .
    This doesn't mean if you buy one you will get a bad battery. It is just a warning. Buy at your own risk.

    High-Capacity 10000mAh Li-ion.........4 x 26650.........7.4 volts..........MS type connectors ( verified )
    ( ALERT)

    Gemini 7800mAh Li-ion......6 x 18650 ( Samsung cells ) ....7.4 volts.....MS type connectors ( verified )

    Xeccon 6600mAh Li-ion.........6 x 18650 BAK cells.......7.4 volts.......MS type connectors ( verified )

    Gloworm 5800mAh Li-ion......4 x 18650 ( Panasonic cells )......7.4 volts......MS type connectors ( verified )

    ActionLED (MagicShine) 5600mAh Li-ion.......4 x 18650 Samsung cells.....7.4 volts....MS connectors ( verified )

    Bikeray 5200mAh Li-ion.......4 x 18650 ( BAK?) cells.......7.4 volts.......MS type connectors ( verified )

    Waterproof 5200mAh Li-ion.........4 x 18650.........7.4 volts........*MS type connectors ( *not verified )

    Ballistic Batteries: 5200mAh Li-ion.........4 x 18650........7.4 volts........MS type connectors ( verified )

    Open Light 4500mAh Li-ion.........4 x 18650 ( Panasonic cells ).......7.4 volts........MS type connectors ( verified )

    Tenergy 4400mAh Li-ion.........4 x 18650 (square)........7.4 volts..........no connectors

    Xeccon 4400mAh Li-ion.........4 x 18650 BAK cells (square)......7.4 volts......MS type connectors ( verified )

    Ballistic Batteries: 4400mAh Li-ion........4 x 18650 ( square ).......7.4 volts.......MS type connectors ( verified )

    Deal Extreme 4400mAh Li-ion.......4 x 18650.........7.4 volts..........MS type connectors ( verified )

    Tenergy 2800mAh...........2 x 18650 ( Samsung )........7.4 volts...........no connectors
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    I have a couple Gemini Xera's that I use and have a few battery packs that I've put together. The most recent was this pack, All-Battery.com: AT: Tenergy Li-Ion 18650 7.4V 4400mAh Square PCB Protected Rechargeable Battery Module w/ 20AWG Bare Leads which seemed for the price a great deal. I soldered on a magicshine connector and all has been good. I get 14 hours of run time with the xera on low. (great for multiday bikepacking races where you inevitably end up riding long hours at night).
    However, I was looking to build a 2 cell pack to mount on my helmet (to eliminate the weight of the extension cable) and saw these with Samsung cells All-Battery.com: AT: Samsung Li-Ion 18650 Cylindrical 7.4V 2800mAh Flat Top Rechargeable Battery w/ PCM Protection. Little more expensive, but higher energy density...
    Thoughts on that? Is there a better source for these?
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    Im here also if any of you have some questions on batteries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybum View Post
    I have a couple Gemini Xera's that I use and have a few battery packs that I've put together. The most recent was this pack, All-Battery.com: AT: Tenergy Li-Ion 18650 7.4V 4400mAh Square PCB Protected Rechargeable Battery Module w/ 20AWG Bare Leads which seemed for the price a great deal. I soldered on a magicshine connector and all has been good. I get 14 hours of run time with the xera on low. (great for multiday bikepacking races where you inevitably end up riding long hours at night).
    However, I was looking to build a 2 cell pack to mount on my helmet (to eliminate the weight of the extension cable) and saw these with Samsung cells All-Battery.com: AT: Samsung Li-Ion 18650 Cylindrical 7.4V 2800mAh Flat Top Rechargeable Battery w/ PCM Protection. Little more expensive, but higher energy density...
    Thoughts on that? Is there a better source for these?
    Good find if you have some DIY skills and the connectors. For people wondering where to get the connectors you just buy a MS type extension cord from almost anywhere for a couple bucks, cut the plug off that you need and splice the two sides together.

    Interesting that All Battery is offering these at such a good price. A while back you had to kill to get a square four cell from All Battery. Still all things considered there are other good quality square four cell batteries available with the plugs already supplied. You'll see that once the list starts to get bigger. That two cell 2800mAh Samsung battery is a pretty good deal and will be hard to beat.

    Thanks for posting those listings. Your recommendations are the first on the list > ( see post #1 )

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    I have the original Magicshine headlight, without a battery and could use a recommendation. I don't need the highest level of performance as this will be used for commuting. Two hr. at high power would be great.

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    Interesting link. The only thing that bothers me is the connector, which looks to be square. I own a MagicShine 808E which does not use a square connector. Tex, do you own one of these?

    Quote Originally Posted by pigmode View Post
    I have the original Magicshine headlight, without a battery and could use a recommendation. I don't need the highest level of performance as this will be used for commuting. Two hr. at high power would be great.
    Well it all depends on how much money you want to spend. If you want to go cheap you could try something like this. I didn't put it in the " Battery list " because they don't list a capacity for the battery. It could be 4400mAh or maybe 4000mAh. If 4000mAh you should still get 2 hrs out of it. No telling what brand batteries these are. Buy one of these and you are rolling the dice.

    I've up-dated the battery list ( in post #1 ). A couple there you might be interested in.

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    I bought a couple of magicshines from geoman so was involved in the recall and received the replacement batteries. Never had a problem with the original batteries but one of the replacements died almost immediately - Sad because the casing/mount is really neat and now is just a chunk of useless plastic with a velcro strap. I ordered a replacement from ballistic batteries but haven't used it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POG View Post
    I bought a couple of magicshines from geoman so was involved in the recall and received the replacement batteries. Never had a problem with the original batteries but one of the replacements died almost immediately - Sad because the casing/mount is really neat and now is just a chunk of useless plastic with a velcro strap. I ordered a replacement from ballistic batteries but haven't used it yet.
    I just took a quick look-see at the "Ballistic batteries" website. Looks to be pretty much hobby batteries. They do offer a "replacement MagicShine battery" but the one in the photo they show looks like it is a 4 cell "flat pack",
    ( rather than the typical square pack ). As long as you have no problem mounting a "flat pack" then it should work just fine.

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    I like the flat 4 cell packs for use with a helmet light. Fits more nicely than a 4 cell cube when carried in the jersey pocket.

    For those using individual 18650s, I'll give a shout out for the Callies Kustoms Panasonic 3400mA cells. They run my micro helmet light nearly twice as long as my *****fire "2600mA" cells. Much more expensive, but worth it IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    I like the flat 4 cell packs for use with a helmet light. Fits more nicely than a 4 cell cube when carried in the jersey pocket.

    For those using individual 18650s, I'll give a shout out for the Callies Kustoms Panasonic 3400mA cells. They run my micro helmet light nearly twice as long as my *****fire "2600mA" cells. Much more expensive, but worth it IMO.
    Agree on all points. Yep a flat pack in a pocket or backpack works fine but if you mount on a frame it is not as easy as a square pack although back in the day I used to frame mount a flat pack 4-cell Nimh battery.

    Yep, when it comes to using single cells the Panasonics hands down are the batteries you want to use. I bought a set of 3100's last year and they are worth the extra money beyond a doubt. This year I will likely buy a set of 3400's just so I have some extra cells. Besides all my other cheap/single 18650's are getting quite old. Time for some more better cells.

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    connector is round not sequre.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Interesting link. The only thing that bothers me is the connector, which looks to be square. I own a MagicShine 808E which does not use a square connector. Tex, do you own one of these?

    Here is the link again:Amazon.com: Panasonic Cell Open Light 4.5AH Li-ion Battery for MagicShine MJ-808, MJ-808E, MJ-816, MJ-816E, MJ-872 Bicylce Lights: Everything Else

    I do have one of these. The connector is round not square, and is compatible with Magicshine lights. I think the picture shown is for a Lupine light which the same company also makes(here is a link to one of those: Open Light Systems LLC | Lupine 4.5 Ah (original 5.0 Ah) Li-Ion Battery - for all Lupine Lamp Heads (ideal for Lupine Betty, Wilma, Tesla, Piko, Edison & Nightmare) | Lithium Ion Batteries and Accessories for Lupine, Sigma, MyTinySun, MagicShine, Bik

    Also the battery pouch that it came with seems nicely made. Only issue I have is it claims in the description to have a "waterproof rubber coating" , but like the picture indicates it is just shrink rapped. I plan on just using this inside my pack, so this isn't too much of an issue for me.
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    That 10000mah one says 8.4v on the website?

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    I've been using a Open Light System battery on my Betty for nearly two years without any issues. I use it most morning and it has been a great battery for me.
    Here's a link I started a few years back on Open Light System:
    Open Light Systems?

    I know they now have a USA site, which will make buying a little easier for the North American gang.
    I would not hesitate to buy another from these guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woody.1 View Post
    I've been using a Open Light System battery on my Betty for nearly two years without any issues. I use it most morning and it has been a great battery for me.
    Here's a link I started a few years back on Open Light System:
    Open Light Systems?

    I know they now have a USA site, which will make buying a little easier for the North American gang.
    I would not hesitate to buy another from these guys.
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    This is the same brand as the amazon link above ($42.99 shipped).

    Amazon.com: Panasonic Cell Open Light 4.5AH Li-ion Battery for MagicShine MJ-808, MJ-808E, MJ-816, MJ-816E, MJ-872 Bicylce Lights: Everything Else
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    I decided to be a guinea pig and buy one of the 10000mAh batteries from Lt-Box. It did not work when I received it. I contacted their customer service and they had me send them a video of it not working hooked to a charger and a light. Next they told me to send it back and they said they would pay for return shipping. I informed them that return shipping costs as much as the battery itself. They told me there is a cheaper method to ship it back to China but they can't tell me exactly what that method is. My last request was that they refund my money or send a new battery. I haven't gotten a response yet.

    I figured I should warn others not to buy this battery or anything else from Lt-Box. Here are some pictures with the shrink wrap removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I just took a quick look-see at the "Ballistic batteries" website. Looks to be pretty much hobby batteries. They do offer a "replacement MagicShine battery" but the one in the photo they show looks like it is a 4 cell "flat pack",
    ( rather than the typical square pack ). As long as you have no problem mounting a "flat pack" then it should work just fine.
    The one I received is a square pack - mounting it in one of my original magicshine battery pack holder thingys (only turned in the batteries for the recall).

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    I'm no expert, but that battery looks as though it's leaking. Did you pay for ity on Visa? If all else fails, and Lt-Box refuse to refund your money, you could threaten to call your credit card company and dispute the charge for the battery. Merchants rightly fear this, since blacklisting from a card provider means loss of the ability to process credit card transactions from that company. However, as a first line of defense, I would still recommend diplomacy toward the merchant, and launching a dispute claim with Paypal. If Lt-Box are smart, they will be reasonable, and conclude that it's easier/cheaper for them to issue a refund rather than paying for the return of something that's broken and useless to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanceuppercut View Post
    I decided to be a guinea pig and buy one of the 1000mAh batteries from Lt-Box. It did not work when I received it. I contacted their customer service and they had me send them a video of it not working hooked to a charger and a light. Next they told me to send it back and they said they would pay for return shipping. I informed them that return shipping costs as much as the battery itself. They told me there is a cheaper method to ship it back to China but they can't tell me exactly what that method is. My last request was that they refund my money or send a new battery. I haven't gotten a response yet.

    I figured I should warn others not to buy this battery or anything else from Lt-Box....
    I going to assume you had a type error and are referring to the 10000mAh battery. I agree with FuzzyD on this, the battery looks to be leaking and would be hazardous to return. Send them another e-mail with a photo and explain that returning the battery could be considered illegal.

    If you do decide to return the battery just send it at the lowest postal rate available which is "First Class Mail® International Parcel". This should cost about $11.60 USD for a one pound parcel. Also, take a photo of the parcel with all the postage before you give to the post office. The Chinese like photos. It shows steps being done right.

    Keep in mind that they did offer to pay postage. Perhaps they can e-mail you the postage label ( which is the easy way to do it ). Also keep in mind that you did tamper with the product by taking off the shrink wrap. As such most companies are not under obligation to accept a return if the product was tampered with.

    Send it back, let them give you a new one. If they don't credit your paypal or credit card you can complain to paypal or the card company. This is called doing the Chinese jig...yes it's a PITA but at least the people at Light box are working with you. My guess is the battery got exposed to excessive heat somewhere along the line. Hope the next one is better. Let's not blacklist Ltbox unless they don't follow through with their obligations. ( ** In response to your post I issued a warning on this battery ( see list post #1 ). If the issue is resolved please let us know. )

    @JamesBass > Yes, 8.4 volt is the peak voltage. I am listing only the nominal voltages but 8.4 volt is typical peak voltage for all 7.4 volt batteries. Some websites list the peak voltage others the nominal. That's just the way it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by POG View Post
    The one I received is a square pack - mounting it in one of my original magicshine battery pack holder thingys (only turned in the batteries for the recall).
    Okay, I'll edit the entry accordingly.

    Posted by Texas:
    I do have one of these. The connector is round not square, and is compatible with Magicshine lights. I think the picture shown is for a Lupine light which the same company also makes(here is a link to one of those: Open Light Systems LLC | Lupine 4.5 Ah (original 5.0 Ah) Li-Ion Battery - for all Lupine Lamp Heads (ideal for Lupine Betty, Wilma, Tesla, Piko, Edison & Nightmare) | Lithium Ion Batteries and Accessories for Lupine, Sigma, MyTinySun, MagicShine, Bik

    Also the battery pouch that it came with seems nicely made. Only issue I have is it claims in the description to have a "waterproof rubber coating" , but like the picture indicates it is just shrink rapped. I plan on just using this inside my pack, so this isn't too much of an issue for me.
    Okay Tex, I'll take your word for it. It goes up on the list. Some people will like that it uses Panasonic cells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I going to assume you had a type error and are referring to the 10000mAh battery. I agree with FuzzyD on this, the battery looks to be leaking and would be hazardous to return. Send them another e-mail with a photo and explain that returning the battery could be considered illegal.

    If you do decide to return the battery just send it at the lowest postal rate available which is "First Class Mail® International Parcel". This should cost about $11.60 USD for a one pound parcel. Also, take a photo of the parcel with all the postage before you give to the post office. The Chinese like photos. It shows steps being done right.

    Keep in mind that they did offer to pay postage. Perhaps they can e-mail you the postage label ( which is the easy way to do it ). Also keep in mind that you did tamper with the product by taking off the shrink wrap. As such most companies are not under obligation to accept a return if the product was tampered with.

    Send it back, let them give you a new one. If they don't credit your paypal or credit card you can complain to paypal or the card company. This is called doing the Chinese jig...yes it's a PITA but at least the people at Light box are working with you. My guess is the battery got exposed to excessive heat somewhere along the line. Hope the next one is better. Let's not blacklist Ltbox unless they don't follow through with their obligations. ( ** In response to your post I issued a warning on this battery ( see list post #1 ). If the issue is resolved please let us know. )

    @JamesBass > Yes, 8.4 volt is the peak voltage. I am listing only the nominal voltages but 8.4 volt is typical peak voltage for all 7.4 volt batteries. Some websites list the peak voltage others the nominal. That's just the way it is.
    I'll keep you posted. It seems there is a bit of a language barrier even via email so it's slow going in dealing with the problem.
    I didn't remove the shrink wrap until after I could feel that it was leaking. At that point I had decided there was no way I was going to ship it back and I'd rather just call it a loss.

    I figure I've had good luck with the Chinese products and I'm about due for a bad one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanceuppercut View Post
    I'll keep you posted. It seems there is a bit of a language barrier even via email so it's slow going in dealing with the problem.
    I didn't remove the shrink wrap until after I could feel that it was leaking. At that point I had decided there was no way I was going to ship it back and I'd rather just call it a loss.

    I figure I've had good luck with the Chinese products and I'm about due for a bad one.
    Been there....I've had a couple products belly up before there time. In my case one drop-in and one torch. Never bothered trying to return. For the money I spend I just called it a loss as well. Sooner or later we all roll a snake eyes...

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    file a paypal dispute and get your money back. The "take pics/ send it back/ who pays for postage" dance around is a delaying tactic so that you'll go beyond the 45 day Paypal dispute window or just give up. If you don't get a refund notice on sending them the pictures, file a dispute. Most Chinese firms pay up within days, if that.

    In the meantime, make sure you store the battery outside, far from the house/ garage, until you can safely dispose of or recycle it.

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    Come to think of it, new batteries shouldn't leak. A few MTBRers have made mention of Chinese vendors (allegedly) using rebuilt batteries (i.e. new casing, recycled cells). I wonder if this is the case with your battery? It'd be difficult to prove, but if the auction was advertising a new product, and they sent you recycled, that would be against eBay ToS.

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    I bought it off their website using my Visa card, so no Paypal or Ebay to help resolve it. I sent them the pictures yesterday and they haven't responded. Up until then they had been returning my emails pretty quickly except over the weekend.

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    go straight for the "I will reverse charges if I do not receive a full refund in 3 days" approach then. I know that we want to think only the best of people, but a lot of Chinese websites make a good living by knowingly selling cheap defective products and hoping that sorting out a refund is too much hassle. I've been through it several times - the communication is great, lots of back and forth, do this do that, ah I see! and so on, but they won't give you your money back until you force them to.

    batteries like this, using recycled or scrap cells, are the reason behind that ban on sending li-ion batteries by air. They're clearly defective and the +ve tab to the PCB has either corroded or burnt through. This is no mishandling or postage defect. I'm sure they'll say "ah, but it was perfect when it left us, we only buy from super good factory" and they'll be lying.

    next time, think about using Paypal. They may be "evil" but they're the lesser of two evils

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    Thanks for posting this battery chart Can-man-do.
    This is helpful for anyone looking for a power pack replacement.
    BTW do you know that size of the connector Jack for the MS light?
    My version uses a 2.5mm

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    I'll give this one a try. The Xeccon battery on the list ships to HI for $20!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spartacus001 View Post
    Thanks for posting this battery chart Can-man-do.
    This is helpful for anyone looking for a power pack replacement.
    BTW do you know that size of the connector Jack for the MS light?
    My version uses a 2.5mm
    No, sorry but I really don't know how these connectors are offically measured and typed. That is why I just refer to them as "MagicShine (MS) type" connectors. At least when I say "MS" type connectors most know what I'm talking about.

    I did find a quick reference on the extension cord sold by D/X that calls them 5.4mm ( male/female ). The review mentioned they were MS compatible. I figure they are measuring the width of the male extension ( or the female opening ) which is about 5mm ( sorry I don't have a tool that will measure in tenths of a mm. )

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    Is there a reason the Gloworm battery isn't on the list? I only have a few rides on my X2s but the battery seems to run much longer than my GeoMan recall batteries ever did. I have yet to do a full run down on them so I don't have an solid run time but it's at least 2.5 hours with 40% left on the meter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhymel View Post
    Is there a reason the Gloworm battery isn't on the list? I only have a few rides on my X2s but the battery seems to run much longer than my GeoMan recall batteries ever did. I have yet to do a full run down on them so I don't have an solid run time but it's at least 2.5 hours with 40% left on the meter.

    Right now I'm trying to find a battery that is built with Panasonic cells that is high capacity. The Gloworm battery fits the bill but the price ( $125.28 USD ) is out-of-this-world.
    If I can't find another high-capacity Panasonic battery for a reasonable cost I will put the Gloworm battery on the list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Right now I'm trying to find a battery that is built with Panasonic cells that is high capacity. The Gloworm battery fits the bill but the price ( $125.28 USD ) is out-of-this-world.
    If I can't find another high-capacity Panasonic battery for a reasonable cost I will put the Gloworm battery on the list.
    It's $80 bucks plus shipping at action LED. Still not cheap but not out-of-this world : crazy:
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    If you are handy you might consider rebuilding your pack.
    I was able to get my dead pack working like new again.
    Here's how I did it.
    Dead Magic Shine Battery Pack – Revived

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    sorry someone got a bad pack from LT-BOX, I received mine last week from LT-BOX and put down a healthy 2 hr ride last night with the 3*XML and the 4*26650 battery pack and works as expected. Frame strap on the pack's bag was nice, sat nice right above the rear shock, about center top tube and didn't move entire ride.

    I think I finally don't need anymore lights LOL......see how long that will last.

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    It's $80 bucks plus shipping at action LED. Still not cheap but not out-of-this world : crazy:
    Thanks Tex. I was hoping to find one using the 3100 or 3400mAh cells but these will have to do for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BallisticBatteries View Post
    Im here also if any of you have some questions on batteries.
    Sorry, I meant to ask you some questions but forgot. Can you tell me about the two Ballistic batteries I put on the list....what brand of cells are they and are they square packs?

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    Action also has the Gemini 6-cell 7800mAh battery for $108. I've used this battery for about a year with my Olympia and Serfas True 1500, and it rocks.

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    We offer the Magic Shine compatible batteries in 3 current sizes: 5.8Ah, 8.7Ah and 17.4Ah. Not the cheapest in the world, but high quality. The waterproofing is done under the shrink wrap with a silicone process to protect the cells and the circuit board. The 8.7 is the only size I currently have in the US, but we should be getting more inventory soon.

    Open Light Systems Corporation | Batteries for MagicShine/ BikeRay -US site does not show the products that are currently out of stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POG View Post
    The one I received is a square pack - mounting it in one of my original magicshine battery pack holder thingys (only turned in the batteries for the recall).
    Thought I would report back that the battery I bought from Ballistic Batteries is working well to date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Right now I'm trying to find a battery that is built with Panasonic cells that is high capacity. The Gloworm battery fits the bill but the price ( $125.28 USD ) is out-of-this-world.
    If I can't find another high-capacity Panasonic battery for a reasonable cost I will put the Gloworm battery on the list.

    Is that for your Gloworm? No problems running without the built in gauge?

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    Bikeray's hidden treasure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Right now I'm trying to find a battery that is built with Panasonic cells that is high capacity. The Gloworm battery fits the bill but the price ( $125.28 USD ) is out-of-this-world.
    If I can't find another high-capacity Panasonic battery for a reasonable cost I will put the Gloworm battery on the list.
    Hey Cat, since you had the Bikeray battery on the battery list and a ? if it's BAK inside, I decided to tear down one to find out for sure - we had one from a warranty claim which was water damaged. Always felt Bikeray batteries were better quality than the MS ones but didn't quite knew why. So now we know.

    Xeccon Light may yet have Panasonic cells in some of their battery packs. We have extended the Xeccon 6600mAh batteries specials for US mtbr member's only. Posting Li-ion is now really beginning to be an issue. We'll keep an eye on USPS and more regulations from China.
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    It lives.

    Re-soldered the contact point which was corroded. Don't understand how that happened but it works now. Stuck it in a neoprene pouch for my personal use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pigmode View Post
    Is that for your Gloworm? No problems running without the built in gauge?
    No, I don't use the Gloworm battery. Currently I use a 5200mAh Bikeray battery with the Gloworm. Rarely have I ever deeply discharged the battery. Most of my rides at night are usually less than three hours long. As such I never worry about running out of battery juice

    I've never had a battery poop on me but that's because the Gloworm has a very good 300 lumen mode that I am more than happy to use most of the time.

    My batteries are getting old though. When the spring arrives I will take my own advice and do a run-time test on my batteries. If I decide I need a new battery it will be a 4-cell with either Panasonic or Samsung ( 2800mah or higher ) cells.

    I might also consider building my own 4-cell ( 6800mAh ) battery using Panasonic 3400mAh ( 18650 ) cells and using an old PCB from an old 4-cell pack. If I really had a need for longer run times I would probably go the DIY route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeccon View Post
    ..Xeccon Light may yet have Panasonic cells in some of their battery packs. We have extended the Xeccon 6600mAh batteries specials for US mtbr member's only. Posting Li-ion is now really beginning to be an issue. We'll keep an eye on USPS and more regulations from China.
    Hey Len if you do get a couple batteries with higher capacity Panasonic cells please give me a shout.

    Yeah, I'm beginning to worry if regulations will tighten with the shipping of Li-ion batteries. No problem though, if I order a battery from you just put a label on the outside stating, "Smoked Salmon" "Keep Cool".

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    I just received this battery from Kaidomain.
    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S020905
    It does NOT come with a bag or a charger.( So maybe the LTBox battery is a better deal...although one poster here got a bad one??)
    It does have MS style connectors....and did run my 3X clone out of the box.
    Weighs in a 400 grams on the nose.
    Took about 3 weeks to arrive in Boston,MA
    I will charge it up and get run times on Tuesday night...
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    Not impressed by the Kaidomain battery on the first try.
    Charged it with with the charger that came with my 3x XML lamp ( maybe this is the problem?)
    Got about 1.5 hours on high with the 3x lamp. It did sit in the car on a cold night...and the next evening....it only lasted another 30 minutes or so.( luckily, I brought the stock battery with me)
    So about 2 hours on high.
    I am going to order a MS charger from Action LED and give it another go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Not impressed by the Kaidomain battery on the first try.
    Charged it with with the charger that came with my 3x XML lamp ( maybe this is the problem?)
    Got about 1.5 hours on high with the 3x lamp. It did sit in the car on a cold night...and the next evening....it only lasted another 30 minutes or so.( luckily, I brought the stock battery with me)
    So about 2 hours on high.
    I am going to order a MS charger from Action LED and give it another go.
    That is so,"Not Promising".

    That battery should be at least be 7000mAh and giving you close to three hours on high. If it's not that is real bad. I think this is enough to earn it a warning.

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    Yup.

    And just to be clear: I charged it( until green light came on),I rode it for 1.5 hours , shut it off and left it in the car...and then it died a about 1/2 into the next ride.

    I am going to give it one more shot...otherwise it was a $25 d"oh!
    Oddly...and earlier poster said he got good hours out of his without charging.
    Hmmmmmm

    I do have a multi meter. Is there a way to check the battery with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Yup.

    And just to be clear: I charged it( until green light came on),I rode it for 1.5 hours , shut it off and left it in the car...and then it died a about 1/2 into the next ride.

    I am going to give it one more shot...otherwise it was a $25 d"oh!
    Oddly...and earlier poster said he got good hours out of his without charging.
    Hmmmmmm

    I do have a multi meter. Is there a way to check the battery with it?
    @Mayor....yes there is. You can check the voltage. Easier to do if you have a spare "male" plug with wires bared. It won't tell you though if the battery is bad or if the cells are unbalanced ( unless you tear it down and measure each cell separately ).

    Coming up soon: Review of Xeccon's 6600mAh six-cell BAK battery ( hard shell version )....

    Other interesting battery stuff: I noticed tonight that D/X is selling single Panasonic 18650 cells ( both protected and non-protected ). Some of the prices are pretty good. Hopefully these are the genuine product. Reviews of the 3100mAh cells were promising, 5 stars across the board. The 3400mAh cells are there as well albeit a bit more money.

    First vendor to put together an affordable 4-cell Panasonic 6200mAh battery
    ( or greater capacity ) wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    @Mayor....yes there is. You can check the voltage. Easier to do if you have a spare "male" plug with wires bared. It won't tell you though if the battery is bad or if the cells are unbalanced ( unless you tear it down and measure each cell separately ).

    Coming up soon: Review of Xeccon's 6600mAh six-cell BAK battery ( hard shell version )....
    Thanks for the info.

    And please don't review anymore batteries. I'll end up buying another one. This light and battery thing is turning into a sickness. I might have to find a 12 step program....

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    Report on the Xeccon 6600mAh Li-ion

    So I got my new Xeccon 6600 mAh Li-ion battery on Friday. I bought it for use in my Amazon special 1200 Lumen CREE XML T6 Bulb LED light. Shipping took about a week. The order seems to go on the Australian website, then they contact their North American distributor to ship the battery. It was $56.48 with shipping which took about a week.
    It is bigger than the old one, but that is to be expected. It took much longer to recharge than the old one, to be expected. Probably around 6 hours or so.
    I took my first ride on it last night. After the one hour mark I got some anxiety since that's all the longer the old battery would last. No issues with this new battery though and after my 2-hour ride it was still going strong. I left it on afterwards thinking I'd run it to empty so I knew how long it lasted. After 4 total hours of on time, I wanted to go to bed so I shut it down and hooked it back up to the charger. So it's life on high power with my light is > 4 hrs. It came with a pretty heavy duty velcro strap for securing it to the bike. It slid around a little bit at first but I cinched it up good and no more slipping. The electrical connection seems pretty secure.






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    In reference to the above post: I tested the Xeccon 6-cell ( hard shell ) 6600mAh battery last night before going to bed. It ran my Tri-clone lamp for 3hrs and 13 minutes on high before shutting down. That is about what I expected so very good IMO.

    The battery was sent to me free of charge for testing purposes. I was told the "hard shell" set-up was a test to see how people like it. With the single wide Velcro strap it attaches very much like the batteries sold by DiNotte. ( soft pad contacts where the shell fits against the bike tube ) The outer shell looks very water-proof although there is no way to really test that theory without breaking the shell.

    Not sure "when" these will be available to the general public. The website still sells the "soft pack" version. I'm sure Xeccon will chime in here with more details.

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    Looks like ewarnerusa also got a hard shell Xeccon?
    Nice that you got 3 + hours on the tri clone.
    I'm going to give the Kaidomain battery another shot tonight...see if it goes more that 2 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    In reference to the above post: I tested the Xeccon 6-cell ( hard shell ) 6600mAh battery last night before going to bed. It ran my Tri-clone lamp for 3hrs and 13 minutes on high before shutting down. That is about what I expected so very good IMO.

    The battery was sent to me free of charge for testing purposes. I was told the "hard shell" set-up was a test to see how people like it. With the single wide Velcro strap it attaches very much like the batteries sold by DiNotte. ( soft pad contacts where the shell fits against the bike tube ) The outer shell looks very water-proof although there is no way to really test that theory without breaking the shell.

    Not sure "when" these will be available to the general public. The website still sells the "soft pack" version. I'm sure Xeccon will chime in here with more details.
    I'm confused as to what Xeccon is selling on their website, their pictures are pathetic. The $50 mtbr-special pack, is it a shrink-wrapped pack or a hard pack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    I'm confused as to what Xeccon is selling on their website, their pictures are pathetic. The $50 mtbr-special pack, is it a shrink-wrapped pack or a hard pack?
    Mine is a hard sided pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewarnerusa View Post
    Mine is a hard sided pack.
    Did you buy it through the link you posted, or did they hook you up like with they did with Cat-man-do? I definitely want a hard case battery, or at least a rubber coated one. $50 for a hard case, 6600 mAh, 6 month warranty, BAK cells, is probably the best deal right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Did you buy it through the link you posted, or did they hook you up like with they did with Cat-man-do? I definitely want a hard case battery, or at least a rubber coated one. $50 for a hard case, 6600 mAh, 6 month warranty, BAK cells, is probably the best deal right now.
    I just used the link from page 1 of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewarnerusa View Post
    I just used the link from page 1 of this thread.
    Thanks!

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    Well...test 2 with the Kaidomain battery
    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S020905
    And once again...only 2 hours with the tri clone.
    Heavy battery pack without much juice.
    I'm going to try to get my money back and buy the Xeccon battery.
    Side note....my tri clone power button did turn red about 2 minutes before it shut off.

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    Hi All,

    The MTBR Special on the 6600mAh battery extends to the hard shell battery for the same price - subject to stock availability. Please mention if you want the hard shell or neoprene pouch pack. In our experience, majority of mountain bikers do not like hard shell batteries like the Magicshine MJ-828. It looks good but isn't practical based on it's large size for a 4400mAh. However, the Xeccon 6600mAh is compact for a 6600mAh battery. Past feedback was most preferred to have smaller and more flexible mounting options with neoprene or soft packs. This is why we did not stock or mention this hard shell battery in our websites. We will now and will get some decent pictures soon - we have none. ewarnerusa's posting is the first time I've seen detailed pics of it.

    Recent consensus is, everybody is looking for a decent quality, performance consistent, waterproof design and durable high capacity Li-ion battery...that's cheap. We have ordered these hard packs for Australia. With USA, we will supply these or the neoprenes ones base on your request - please mention it in the comments on checkout. They will be shipped from Bloomington IN as with all US orders. I will get Xeccon Light to standby more of these batteries.

    We sent one to Cat for review since we're talking about batteries in this thread. We included it with the new UI Geinea set for the round 2 review. Personally, I have not seen or held these hard shell batteries. They look as robust as the MJ-6036 batteries. We prefer to let user reviews or tester's comments speak of Xeccon products rather than us telling you it's this or that good. Matt is an authority when it comes to batteries. We sent him some packs a while back to get feedback from the Li-ion guru. This is yet another independent review coming up whatever the findings may be. We are happy to send 2 of these batteries to anyone for their feedback so let me know on PM.
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    Attention Moderators: I've been locked out of my own thread

    Attention Moderators: I just noticed that the "edit" option has been removed from my first post in this thread. In order for me to keep the thread current and up to date I need to be able to continue to edit the opening post so that links that are bad can be removed and good ones added. It was my hope when I started the thread that I would be able to continue to provide an easy and quick reference for people looking to upgrade their bike light batteries. I hope the thread is allowed to continue. Thanks in advance.

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    The two batteries for user review are allocated first come first serve to the mayor and Ironbrewer. Get back to you guys soon.

    Cat, you should send a PM to Gregg.
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    Battery question: Tonight I recharged the Kaidomain battery. When the green light came on on the charger...I unplugged it. Just for shitz n giggles...I plugged it in again and the red light stayed on for about 30 minutes before turning green.
    Is this normal?
    btw...the charger was the one that came with the tri clone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Battery question: Tonight I recharged the Kaidomain battery. When the green light came on on the charger...I unplugged it. Just for shitz n giggles...I plugged it in again and the red light stayed on for about 30 minutes before turning green.
    Is this normal?

    btw...the charger was the one that came with the tri clone.
    Hard to say for sure as I've never owned one of the batteries with the larger ( 26650 ) cells. More than likely the two parallel sides of the battery self-balanced "after" the first charge. This would likely drop the voltage down till the cells equalized. This could mean that the cells in the battery are not well matched. Hopefully adding the second charge will top the battery off and give you better run times.

    Anyway, glad you mentioned this so others might try this as well. I would would even try it a third time after letting it sit for about 12hrs. It's quite possible that the battery sat in storage a good while before being shipped out. While Li-ion cells have a very low self-discharge rate it's conceivable that some of the cells might discharge at a faster rate if they are not properly matched.

    About the "Edit" issue: I sent a PM to Francois. Hopefully I should hear something in a couple days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Battery question: Tonight I recharged the Kaidomain battery. When the green light came on on the charger...I unplugged it. Just for shitz n giggles...I plugged it in again and the red light stayed on for about 30 minutes before turning green.
    Is this normal?
    btw...the charger was the one that came with the tri clone.
    From what I have read, it depends on the characteristic of the charge control chip in the charger. Some work like you are describing. When the battery reaches very near full charge voltage, ~8.4V in this case, the charge current drops to a very low value for a set period of time then stops the charge. Theoretically you might overcharge your battery if you repeatedly cycled through that "top off" period.

    In an article I saw recently a manufacturer of charge controller chips was touting their smarter chip that would not perform the "top off" cycle if a fully or very near fully charged pack were reattached to the charger. It also prevented the "top off" cycle if a charged pack was already attached when the power to the charger was turned on.

    The fact that it went for 30 minutes seems like a long time. There are differences in battery protection circuits and charge circuits that don't always mesh well. One pack and charger combo I set up for a customer would never show fully charged on the charger. I finally figured out that the pack PCB was shutting off the charge before the charger was done. Likely a tiny mismatch in voltage settings between the two circuits.
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    Thanks guys for the info.
    I did the top off once(30 minutes)....unplugged and replugged and the light was red again. I let it charge for another 10 minutes before wondered if I am "tricking" the protection and it could over charge the battery.
    I think I will try it after letting it sit per Catman's suggestion.
    This is the 4th full charge cycle with the battery.

    On a side note...I sent a email to Kaidomain telling them the battery is no where near as advertised, and I'd like to return it. I'm in a loop of "send us a video"request from them.
    I'm torn between accepting that it was a $25 experiment that didn't work out....or sending them a video of me throwing it in the trash and opening a Paypal dispute
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    As per Cat man do's suggestion....I let the kaidomain 12000 mA
    battery sit over night.
    As I said above: last night I gave it a full charge and unplugged the charger from the wall when it turned green. I then replugged it in...and the red light stayed on for about 30 minutes. Unplugged and replugged and the light turned red for 10 minutes and I was running out of time...so I unplugged it.
    Let it sit about 20 hours.
    Plugged it in and it stayed red for about 15 to 20 minutes.
    Going to try and ride later....
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    Bump charging?

    Mayor and Cat-man-do and Vancbiker,
    Do you think this battery charging issue you're discussing is similar to "bump charging" a smartphone? I have done this a bit with my smartphone, but I don't bother anymore. I thought about it for my bike light battery but I've never tried it.
    From the link:
    Ever since the Droid Incredible was first released, we have heard about bump charging, and many of us are left wondering what is it, and how does one accomplish such a thing? If you have ever taken your Incredible or Thunderbolt off the charger and noticed that nearly instantly you were down to 90 percent showing on your battery meter, and were puzzled.

    Well, the device charges itself fully, but does not maintain that full charge, instead keeping around a 90- to 95-percent charge and showing full. So, people have begun bump charging their device to gain that last five to ten percent back. There are a few developers who are taking stabs at making custom kernels that will combat this, but that requires root, and flashing files, and all that jazz, so they have an alternative bump charging method, which goes as follows:

    1.Power up (if not already) and plug your device into a power source. As the battery is being charged, the notification LED shows a solid orange light.
    2.Wait until LED is solid green, indicating it is fully charged.
    3.Unplug, press and hold the power button, and select the option to power off.
    4.Once powered down reconnect power source.
    5.The LED will show a solid orange light again, indicating it is charging.
    6.Once it's green, unplug the device and use the power button to power up the device.
    7.Once Sense has loaded plug the phone back in again. You will notice that the LED is now orange again.
    8.Repeat steps 3-7 process until the light is green immediately upon plugging it back in (approximately 3-4 times).
    So, if you want to ensure that you are starting your day out with truly 100% battery life, follow the simple steps above, but you will unfortunately have to do this each and every time the device needs to be charged.

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    I tried the "bump charge" with my Droid EVO.
    I never noticed any longer run time...and if there was it was very small.
    Spending 20 minutes to get 10 more minutes out of the phone didn't make much sense to me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    I tried the "bump charge" with my Droid EVO.
    I never noticed any longer run time...and if there was it was very small.
    Spending 20 minutes to get 10 more minutes out of the phone didn't make much sense to me....
    I only mention it because maybe your Kaidomain battery and/or charger uses similar logic? Obviously I have no idea, but your description of what is happening sure sounds similar to what is happening with bump charging.

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    I honestly don't know either....or if the whole "bump charge" is just a myth.
    All I do know is I get 1.5 hours out of the small stock 4400 battery...and 2 hours out of a supposed 12000 big battery.

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    I very much doubt that the cheap bike light charger has a very sophisticated charge control circuit. Doing something like the bump charge thing is likely just to very slightly overcharge the battery on the light. That extra little bit of energy stored probably adds a minute or so to your run time. I would not do that without monitoring the end of charge voltage.

    There is no way that I have found to get more than ~8000mA using four 26650s at 7.4v nominal. That requires the highest real capacity cells available. I very much doubt KD is using such cells.

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    That is a good battery sold by Action LED...who is a contributor here.
    When you buy from him or Xeccon ....there is good customer support.
    Buy from Ebay, Kaidomain or DX.....you may or may not get a good battery. And in my case....lacking C/S from Kaidomain

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    I doubt that any 4.4ah battery is sufficient enough to power the tri or quad XML LED. I think the Xeccon solution 6.6ah is better. Even my 2 yr old GEO 6.0ah does a good job, around 2 hrs on high and pretty consistently 2.5 hrs on medium, 2 LED's.

    I wouldn't use any 4.4ah on the multi LED's unless it's designed by someone like a Dinotte who specifically runs less amps to get run time. The cheap lights aren't designed well enough to use a 4.4ah battery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    In reference to the above post: I tested the Xeccon 6-cell ( hard shell ) 6600mAh battery last night before going to bed. It ran my Tri-clone lamp for 3hrs and 13 minutes on high before shutting down. That is about what I expected so very good IMO.

    The battery was sent to me free of charge for testing purposes. I was told the "hard shell" set-up was a test to see how people like it. With the single wide Velcro strap it attaches very much like the batteries sold by DiNotte. ( soft pad contacts where the shell fits against the bike tube ) The outer shell looks very water-proof although there is no way to really test that theory without breaking the shell.

    Not sure "when" these will be available to the general public. The website still sells the "soft pack" version. I'm sure Xeccon will chime in here with more details.
    Cat,

    Based on your experience, would you recommend gong with the Xeccon hard shell battery vs the soft shell?

    Also, with the helmet light would the best option be to just carry the battery in a camelpak or something? New to the whole light and night ride scene. TIA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRILLINDK View Post
    Cat,

    Based on your experience, would you recommend gong with the Xeccon hard shell battery vs the soft shell?

    Also, with the helmet light would the best option be to just carry the battery in a camelpak or something? New to the whole light and night ride scene. TIA!
    Both the "hard shell and soft pack Xeccon 6-cells have the same cells as far as I know. Choosing one or the other depends on your needs or riding style. The hard shell will shed water better as it looks very water-resistant. The hard shell probably adds some extra weight though. It also likely will get cold faster than than soft pack pouch.

    If you're going to use the 6-cell battery to power a helmet light you would likely be better off with the soft pack ( since you can remove the battery from the pack ) but than again a minor issue as both will work.

    As for carrying a battery for a helmet lamp most people tend to use 4-cell batteries. When using the 4-cell I carry mine in a back-pack ( Camelback style ) arrangement. Others carry theirs in a jersey pocket. Those people are best served if they use a flat 4-cell. On occasion I also use a two-cell and mount it to my helmet and on other occasions I just use a single cell torch. The lamp/battery set-up I use will depend on "where" I chose to ride and how long that ride will generally take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRILLINDK View Post
    Cat,

    Based on your experience, would you recommend gong with the Xeccon hard shell battery vs the soft shell?

    Also, with the helmet light would the best option be to just carry the battery in a camelpak or something? New to the whole light and night ride scene. TIA!
    What helmet light are you running that's needs that much power and / or run time??

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    What helmet light are you running that's needs that much power and / or run time??

    I'm a newbie to lights. I don't own one yet, but I'm in the market for one. I'm considering some of the Xeccon lights....any suggestions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRILLINDK View Post
    I'm a newbie to lights. I don't own one yet, but I'm in the market for one. I'm considering some of the Xeccon lights....any suggestions?
    This is a battery thread...there are plenty of "What light do I want?" threads/
    Xeccon makes nice lights though....and nice combo packages

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    So I was one of the lucky 2 who got free Xeccon 6.6 ah hard shell 6-cells battery packs. I recieved it very quickly. It is a bit bigger size wise than I thought it would be. It looks very well made and has a heavy guage wire coming out. Here are some pictures comparing it to a 4 cell clone soft battery pack.













    As you can see it is a bit heavier than the clone, but that is to be expected with 2 more cells, a hard case and the beefy velcro strap that comes with it. I am trying to wait till I receive my 3X XML t6 light head before I test it for longevity. I would have to run my 1x XML for too long.

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    ^ Yes....if you have a 1x XML light...the Xeccon will run it for a very long time. I have a Hi-Max XML U2 light...that with the stock battery, it ran 7 hours before I got bored and disconnected it.
    I will be posting my Xeccon review after a few more cycles. Thanks for taking the photos...now I don't have to.

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    So I tested my new battery with my new 3x XML T6 chinese clone light and got about 3 hours and 15 minutes out of it with the light on high. This is great for me. The light mounts very securely to my frame. The velcro strap that comes with it is great. Its very wide and holds great. I wouldn't use a battery this big for my 1x XML T6 light, but it rocks for my 3x. The 3 plus hours run time gives me about an hour cushion on most night rides I do. If I'm going to be out longer than that I would just go to low or medium output when I could.

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    ToBest Li-Po battery

    Runtime test with 4 sets of 3 x XM-L T6 lights and the 6000mAh rated Li-Po batteries came in at Set 1 - 3 hours: 14 mins. Set 2 - 3 : 23. Set 3 - 3: 25 and Set 4 - 3: 26. These are pretty similar runtimes with Xeccon 6600mAh's times using the same light heads. Are the ToBest Li-Po under-rated or the Xeccons Li-ion over-rated? The batteries were charged using our 2A charger with similar ambient conditions.

    It is worth nothing this battery may be available for sale individually. We just need to have the connectors back to standard round. Most will be asking who is ToBest? Well, they are former Inton. They have split and while they share a couple of models like the NB-04 and NB-02, the new NB series are all from ToBest. We have suggested they change the brand name since it's doing their good products a disservice.
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    Hi,

    i havent seen this battery here, and since ai think It is the best battery for the price so far, sold by a USA seller, with a great guaranteed capacity, recomended for the triple and quad led lights.

    Here it is, with 12 400 mah, and compact size and just 37 bucks! Check it out:

    USA 8 4V 7 4V Battery Pack for CREE XML T6 SSC P7 12400mAh Capacity Guaranteed | eBay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lichitisky View Post
    Hi,

    i havent seen this battery here, and since ai think It is the best battery for the price so far, sold by a USA seller, with a great guaranteed capacity, recomended for the triple and quad led lights.

    Here it is, with 12 400 mah, and compact size and just 37 bucks! Check it out:

    USA 8 4V 7 4V Battery Pack for CREE XML T6 SSC P7 12400mAh Capacity Guaranteed | eBay
    Hard to beat the price! The seller also sells a smaller version ( 6200mAh ) that is half the size ( $19.95+shipping ). The only problem is the unorthodox size of the battery as they tend to be long and wide ( 96mm x 70mm ). Then if you don't have a Li-po charger you will have to buy one. The upside is the battery is setup with an extra lead for balance charging. I have no idea if the other plug is MS compatible. If you don't mind taking a chance on something sold on ebay roll them dice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Hard to beat the price! The seller also sells a smaller version ( 6200mAh ) that is half the size ( $19.95+shipping ). The only problem is the unorthodox size of the battery as they tend to be long and wide ( 96mm x 70mm ). Then if you don't have a Li-po charger you will have to buy one. The upside is the battery is setup with an extra lead for balance charging. I have no idea if the other plug is MS compatible. If you don't mind taking a chance on something sold on ebay roll them dice.
    Since he guarantees the capacity, I guees wouldent be a problem to buy this pack, charge it, and test its capacity right of the box. If it doesnt meet the description, can be returned and the money refunded.

    Right now i cant give it a go, cuz Im in Brazil and the shipping costs as much as the item. When my brother gets to US I will maybe give it go.

    I was just replied by the seller, who told me that the chemestry within this battery is the same used in 18650 batteries (Lithium cobalt). Its not a unstable as the Lipo ones. Wich is good. The conecter used is said to be compatible with the one used by magicshine 808, wich I think is the standard along the whole line os lights.

    The bad part is having to buy a especial charger. But seams worth in the long run.

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    In the description on this ebay battery, I don't think it said anything about a protection PCB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    In the description on this ebay battery, I don't think it said anything about a protection PCB.
    Well noticed Vancbiker. I assumed it has one when i saw this part of this description:

    Specifications:
    Minimum discharge voltage (cutoff) = 6.0V, 3.0V per cell

    Anyways, i sent a question about it and will soon let you know about this.

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    Hope the reply is that it has protection. I think it does not. Main reason for that is the statement about the "burst discharge rate" being limited by the wire size, not a PCB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    Hope the reply is that it has protection. I think it does not. Main reason for that is the statement about the "burst discharge rate" being limited by the wire size, not a PCB.
    It may indeed have a PCB...the cutoff voltage is listed as 6 volts and the "continuous maximum discharge rate" is listed as 3.1A. I think there would have to be a PCB for it have have those limitations. Actually, I could wish for a little higher max. discharge rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lichitisky View Post
    The bad part is having to buy a especial charger.
    We know the norm is to use a hobby charger like Turnigy to charge LiPo batteries. Stumbled upon charging it with standard chargers and they work fine - the NB-08 sets came with standard chargers. This was before I discovered it was LiPo inside the pack so it actually hit me much later. Been using our chargers with two LiPo packs I am using in for my helmet lights since. No problems and runtime is consistent.

    Having said that, I would like to put out a disclaimer that eveyone should take steps to ensure they charge Lithium Polymer batteries with hobby chargers if possible and always charge when under supervision. When using standard chargers best to charge it in a can like a used paint can that's been cleaned out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    Hope the reply is that it has protection. I think it does not. Main reason for that is the statement about the "burst discharge rate" being limited by the wire size, not a PCB.
    Just received the replay from the selller. Unfortunately, there is no PCB in it. He said it would limit the max pack capacity to the capacity of the lowest cell in it.

    I asked him how much it would be to add the PCB.

    Xeccon, I dont know much about batteries but he told me the chemestry os this cells is not the same of the RC toys, it would be the one used in the 18650, and cell phone.. Dont know if it changes anything.

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    I have a decent duratrax lipo charger, may give that eBay battery a shot. My Gemini Olympia runtimes have been lackluster in the cold and I feel like it it due to the current demand. My RC battery all have thick (14awg?) Wiring but is still flexible with silicone jacket. If someone sold a decent reasonably priced Rc battery to magic shine adaptor with heavy gauge wire I think it would be a hit. If they made one with a tap for a voltage meter it would be even better

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    Does the Olympia have low voltage sensing? If not, I would hesitate using the ebay battery. It has nothing to prevent overdischarge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lichitisky View Post
    Just received the replay from the selller. Unfortunately, there is no PCB in it. He said it would limit the max pack capacity to the capacity of the lowest cell in it.

    I asked him how much it would be to add the PCB.

    Xeccon, I dont know much about batteries but he told me the chemestry os this cells is not the same of the RC toys, it would be the one used in the 18650, and cell phone.. Dont know if it changes anything.
    Lichitisky, please ask the seller how the battery cut-off works. They are listing a 6 volt cutoff. Perhaps each cell has it's own mini-PCB ( just like the protected 18650's ), then again perhaps they are just telling us the battery needs to cut-off at 6V but the user needs to supply their own cut-off source. If that's so then the ad is very deceptive.

    If the battery has no actual cut-off control then people ( like me ) that have no voltage feedback indicators on their lamp are screwed. If you have the indicators then it should be no big deal, just wait till the indicators are blinking red and then stop using the battery.

    Since my Gloworm X2 has no voltage indicators my only other option would be to hook my MS808E in parallel with the Gloworm and use the indicators on the 808E. Strange how I never thought of doing this before with my other batteries but it would be a good idea if I were taking a real long ride. (*Note, the 808E does not have to be on to use the indicators, just plugged into the battery )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lichitisky View Post
    Unfortunately, there is no PCB in it. He said it would limit the max pack capacity to the capacity of the lowest cell in it.
    A statement like the above could be interpreted to mean bad things about his product. To start, this could imply that the cells are not very closely matched. Battery protection PCBs are meant to protect individual cells in the pack. Mis-matched cell capacity in an unprotected pack will have some cells lower in voltage at the end of the discharge than the others. Possibly below the voltage where Lithium type batteries sustain damage.

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    built 2 new battery packs

    I'm doing a 300 mile bikepacking race in a few weeks and decided I'd build up a few helmet mountable battery packs using the All-Battery.com: Total Power Solution for Every Battery Need samsung based cell, 2 cell packs. (All-Battery.com: AT: Samsung Li-Ion 18650 Cylindrical 7.4V 2800mAh Flat Top Rechargeable Battery w/ PCM Protection). Below are a few pics... For these races, I run a helmet mounted Gemini Xera on low (which is very adequate when you are in the middle of nowhere in AZ). The two packs I built each went 7 hrs 50 minutes...very impressive!
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    My son uses a low voltage ALARM on his RC cars/planes, he says it should work for this battery.

    Here is an example of a low voltage alarm(ebay), 7 4V 11 1v RC LiPo Battery Low Voltage Tester Checker Alarm Indicator New | eBay

    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    Hope the reply is that it has protection. I think it does not. Main reason for that is the statement about the "burst discharge rate" being limited by the wire size, not a PCB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patski View Post
    My son uses a low voltage ALARM on his RC cars/planes, he says it should work for this battery.

    Here is an example of a low voltage alarm(ebay), 7 4V 11 1v RC LiPo Battery Low Voltage Tester Checker Alarm Indicator New | eBay
    An audible alarm would be sweet provided you can turn it off once it goes off. This alarm seems to be set for low voltage ( 3.3volts ) That means it has to be wired directly to the cells. Not something the novice is going to have an easy time doing. Personally I'd rather deal with blinking warning lights.

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