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    Ay Up Lights

    Any tried Ay Up lights? They are bright, relatively light, and come in several anodized colors. They look pretty cool.

    http://www.ayup.com.au/usa-shop-kits.html

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    Yep I got a pair. They rock. Perfect for helmet mounts. Haven't tried the bar mount out as I have a Betty to go on there.

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    I run these two bar mounted and one helmet mounted and they make things glow very well. Can I make a suggestion if you intend to make a purchase be it a kit or just single items send an email to AY-UP and ask to swap out the 2 channel charger for a 6 channel and pay the difference. I did this and I no longer have to wait to charge my batteries I can charge them all in one hit because of the now 6 charging points so this in my opinion is a safe way to protect future upgrades should you seek out more batteries.

    Sure there are brighter light on the market be it DIY or manufactured ones but AY-UP in my opinion have really done a great job on keeping things compact robust and including everything that will get you mounted and started to go riding using lights. Not only that but they don't get hot nor need airflow to keep them cool so when stopping you can continue to allow them too burn.

    Dealing with them has been excellent and if you read there warranty while I haven't had to use it it sound very solid ad they stand behind there product so that there is good too know. Still everyone has to find the lights that will suit there needs so check them all out if your thinking of upgrading or getting some extra bits.

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    yep, got 2 pairs, different throws.

    320 lumens, 6 hours runtime, at that incredible weight, u'll be hardpressed to find another with that performance-to-weight ratio.

    service absolutely rocks too.

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    I just bought the mtb kit and am really stoked about the setyup. I was surprised how quick the batteries charged. Also like the way the narrow beam on head and regular beam on bike work really well on just about eliminating the shadows around rocks, logs. I can adjust each of the four lights to work out pretty nice. I give them a thumbs yup.
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    i bought the AYUP roadie kit with the medium optics. love it so far, plenty bright, very light and i can't believe that tiny little battery goes 6+ hours...but it does.
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    Anyone have a comparison from Ay-up to Dinotte 400L?

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    I don't have pics, but one of the guys I ride with has a pair of Ay-ups and I ride with Dinotte 400 and 800's.

    The tint is much nicer on the Ay-ups, and the spot beam is much more of a true spot than the Dinotte's. I think the Dinotte 400L gives a much nicer beam pattern for bar mounting, and personally like the 400L on the helmet except when dust is picked up before me - then, I think the Ay-up spot would be nicer.

    I find the Ay-up intermediate beam to be a bit too ringy for my taste, and not wide enough for the bars. They are nice lights though, so don't get me wrong.

    Given the choice (which I was ) I like Dinotte more.

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    Anyone have a comparison from Ay-up to Dinotte 400L?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfTheHill
    I don't have pics, but one of the guys I ride with has a pair of Ay-ups and I ride with Dinotte 400 and 800's.

    The tint is much nicer on the Ay-ups, and the spot beam is much more of a true spot than the Dinotte's. I think the Dinotte 400L gives a much nicer beam pattern for bar mounting, and personally like the 400L on the helmet except when dust is picked up before me - then, I think the Ay-up spot would be nicer.

    I find the Ay-up intermediate beam to be a bit too ringy for my taste, and not wide enough for the bars. They are nice lights though, so don't get me wrong.

    Given the choice (which I was ) I like Dinotte more.
    That's a good review - I've got two pairs and find them a tad spotty, particularly the intermediate. But, their incredibly light and robust
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    i have ay ups and their awesome
    the only other lights i have tried r the trinewt and too heavy and bulky and battery time wasnt that good, i would rate ay ups as way better and at least in aussi they r a lot cheaper
    i have also seen the battery space lights and they r a lot heavier and bulky as well

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    I got the Ayup Mountain bike kit and i am really happy with them. They are light, compact and good value for money for the price you pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hows it goin
    i have ay ups and their awesome
    the only other lights i have tried r the trinewt and too heavy and bulky and battery time wasnt that good, i would rate ay ups as way better and at least in aussi they r a lot cheaper
    i have also seen the battery space lights and they r a lot heavier and bulky as well
    nothing comes close to the value, performance, weight & batt life combo of the Ayups, really.

    not to mention the looks.

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    That's a pretty strong recommendation. Why are they better specifically than the Dinotte 400L?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ80
    That's a pretty strong recommendation. Why are they better specifically than the Dinotte 400L?

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    not in every area but let's see:

    320 lumens vs 400

    198g vs 240

    6 hrs vs 2.5

    180usd vs 269

    hmmm and......



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    Are their any beam shots of both of these side by side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ80
    Are their any beam shots of both of these side by side?

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    i'm sure u can find them somewhere in the forums.

    pricewise, another comparison would be the ayups ($180) vs 200L ($229)

    320 lumens vs 200

    6 hours vs 4

    198g vs 315g

    hence valuewise, tis hard to beat the ayups, really.

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    I just priced out an Ayup headlight. While the price is cheaper due to the exchange rate, the shipping is a killer - $45 to the states. There really isn't much price difference when you add in the mounts that Ayup has extra and that Dinotte includes, shipping and cost of the light.
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    I haven't tried many lights... just read many forums and descriptions... but the AyUp Beams for my helmet I received work fantastic and look like they will last a long time. I ride the road at night and they ensure no unfortunate run in's with dead carcasses! If you know what i mean...
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    AY-UP's work ok for me I recommend them.
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    was that with two Ayups (one on bar, one on helmet)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ80
    was that with two Ayups (one on bar, one on helmet)?

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    Yeah it is as you can tell from the light that is all over the place bobbing around that is the helmet mounted one.

    This might give a better example of a shot that is before and after the lights are on. It has a good throw and lights up the place well enough considering that the test was done on a non reflective surface being grass. The trees in the distance you see as it pans too the right is 90m away so good enough for me and works a treat on the trails and goat tracks.
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    Hey Everyone...I am trying to get a decent helmet light to replace my really old niteRider. My budget is $250 or less. With the Ay-up, if I get the "multi-sport" kit, with the $45 shipping costs, it comes to right around $200....which is great. So, this kit comes with only one light, if I'm going to be using it on my helmet, which beam do you recommend? The narrow beam or the intermediate beam?
    Also, does anyone use the gecko mount? It it worth the extra cost?

    Any suggesions or informatoin much appreciated. Thanks.~ matt f

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    Quote Originally Posted by mforness3000
    Hey Everyone...I am trying to get a decent helmet light to replace my really old niteRider. My budget is $250 or less. With the Ay-up, if I get the "multi-sport" kit, with the $45 shipping costs, it comes to right around $200....which is great. So, this kit comes with only one light, if I'm going to be using it on my helmet, which beam do you recommend? The narrow beam or the intermediate beam?
    Also, does anyone use the gecko mount? It it worth the extra cost?

    Any suggesions or informatoin much appreciated. Thanks.~ matt f
    I have a narrow mounted on my helmet and find it the best option as it focuses the light but still has the ability to allow light spray when closer due to reflection. Having said that I also have bar mounted lights but if I didn't have bar lights I would still purchase the narrow beam after riding and now seeing the benefits one can get from a single narrow beam.

    If you can save up a few more $$$ I suggest getting the MTB kit which gives you two lights and many other extras you won't be disappointed but I understand you have a budget. With the Gecko mount at first I wasn't going to worry about it but during the purchase I changed my mind and glad I did. This little device is so simple to use and far better light and battery mounting than the old system.

    Matt pop them an email and ask if you can swap out the old mounting system and pay the difference to have included the Gecko this way your saving a few bucks. My final thoughts is seriously consider holding off and getting the MTB kit because having a bar mounted light keeps light on the trail pointed where the wheel is pointing. This then allows for your head to be free to point the helmet light where you want never not having light on the trail due to the bar light.

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    Matt as another suggestion this might be a way to go for the bar mount light that would be a cheap solution or even getting 2 lights and mount the other on the helmet and scrap the AY-UP idea but just remember the AY-UP are nothing but quality where as your taking a small risk with these torches from deal extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ80
    I just priced out an Ayup headlight. While the price is cheaper due to the exchange rate, the shipping is a killer - $45 to the states. There really isn't much price difference when you add in the mounts that Ayup has extra and that Dinotte includes, shipping and cost of the light.
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    $45 shipping doesn't sound too bad. I fried my Battery space charger and they want $26 for a new one and $81 postage for it to Australia. Considering the HID ballast broke when the light was only six months old and I was using the batterys with a halogen bulb I am going to put the money towards something new which will probably be Ayups. Batteryspace shipping is the killer.

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    I still haven't been able to adequately convince myself that the cost for the complete Ay-up set is going to give me the lumens on the road that I want. I think there is a compelling argument for either the Ayup narrow on the helmet (or the 400L) but there are better choices for the bar that put out more light per dollar, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ80
    I still haven't been able to adequately convince myself that the cost for the complete Ay-up set is going to give me the lumens on the road that I want. I think there is a compelling argument for either the Ayup narrow on the helmet (or the 400L) but there are better choices for the bar that put out more light per dollar, I think.

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    I think your correct there are other options that give better output but in my opinion that come at a cost of being bulky lights and batteries. The light per $$$ in my experience with AY-UP is there on par with other manufactures but those that do the DIY lights get the best bang for buck or even some of the torches on dealextreme.com.

    I mean for someone that wants a cheap set-up $$$ wise then this isn't such a bad deal for a first buy or even to purchase then mod it with better hardware.

    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.25149

    The reason why I choose AY-UP is there local too me and there warranty in my opinion craps all over everyone else's and I got a complete kit that being bar and helmet along with many other bits added to the kit. There small as well as being bugger all weight so for me all this came in at a price that was better bang for buck than the competitors.

    There is so much to choose from it's just a case of doing your own research and finding what best suits your needs and this time round AY-UP won my business. What I'm now doing is spending more time understanding and learning the DIY side of it but for now the lights I purchased got me up and running and with extreme quality.

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    I guess what I meant was that I think the Ayups do great on the helmet but not great on the bars. My recommendation would be to put one on your helmet and and something else on the bar. that would be a great combination.

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    The Ayups are nice but they're not bright... Just adequate. It's a lovely product and a good company but the fact is like many mtb lights just now, they're still selling fairly low output products rather than getting a light out the door with an updated emitter. So, since they're so outclassed by cheap torches on everything but battery life and ease of fitment, I can't see much reason to get one now. They'll catch up with the newer LEDs once they clear stock, no doubt, and then they'll be worth buying again.

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    That was kind of my thought. The idea I'm looking at is to replace my 400L with an Ayup narrow for the helmet only because it looks like they have slightly more light and the helmet mount is better. The 400L mount is ok, but you can't take it on and off quickly like you can with the Ayup.

    That said, the Ayups look pretty dated. Nice package but they needed stronger LEDs like right now. With the new lights coming out this fall, they will be way, way behind otherwise.

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    Hi guys, having used the AyUps for about almost a year now, i would say that they rock. To be fair, I haven't used any of the other branded lights before for my night rides (was previously strapping on my Surefires to the helmet instead!) so I can't compare them apple for apple.

    What sold me was the weight (or lack of, rather) of the battery packs. The 3 hour batts are just slightly larger than a box of matches, and you can hardly feel the weight mounted on your helmet. The battery life does last as long as they claim it to be, and after running regulated for 3 (or 6 hours, depending on the battery), it starts to dim off before dying out. The dimming is noticeable, which will give you time to change batteries before you get left out in the dark.

    Brightness factor its good enough for all intents and purposes. I've got the recommended Intermediate on the handlebar and Narrow on the helmet, and it lights up the trails well enough to go at a decent speed. We ride mostly twisty singletracks here in M'sia, and it works great. I once brought a single set with me (just for emergency) on an Epic ride, and due to lengthy delays at 2 river crossings (river was swollen), we still had about 20kms to go when it got dark. A group of 9 of us walked the rest of the trail with the single set of AyUps and it was bright enough to for us to get out safely. The only time they'd be worthless is if you're riding in foggy/smoky conditions. But then again, thats the same for any LED based light as compared to an incandescent.

    I'd highly recommend them to anyone, and their service is pretty good as well. Andrew and Matt (at AyUp) respond very quickly to emails and stand by their product. Best bang for buck, as they say.

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    Hey guys i just got my ayups, ordered them on monday and received them yesterday, very quick delivery. i haven't tested them but am very happy with the gekko helmet mount and they look great. i went with the mtb kit.

    As i am the only one in my group of riders that has purchased lights im gonna be night riding by myself until i can convince my friends to buy some. Riding at night by myself is gonna be an experience though. i will let you know what i think of it after i test them tonight.

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    Once you got decent lights then night riding is fun and you almost always ride at night but summer time is great doing night rides much cooler in many cases so congrats on your new setup and enjoy them.

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    Hard to pay that money once you used the magic shine....no matter how "cool" they look.

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    As i am the only one in my group of riders that has purchased lights im gonna be night riding by myself until i can convince my friends to buy some. Riding at night by myself is gonna be an experience though. i will let you know what i think of it after i test them tonight
    Good luck, it's going to be very, very spooky in those woods in the pitch black as you ride along all alone in the dead of night.

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    I run ay-ups, and have been impressed with them. They're not the very brightest out there, but for the combination of good light, lightweight, long burn-times and price, i couldn't find anything else close.

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    big boy

    I'm going to pick up a set for my bars. Do you folks that have 'em reccomend the Intermediate, or wide? I have a 1000 watt light for my head, so I'm not as concerned about a long throw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by used2Bhard
    I'm going to pick up a set for my bars. Do you folks that have 'em reccomend the Intermediate, or wide? I have a 1000 watt light for my head, so I'm not as concerned about a long throw.
    Intermediate it spreads enough for you.

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    Everyone, please compare these lights with an understanding of what they are, rather than being blinded by the flashy colours & low weight...

    According to the spec Aup have on thier web site last time I looked, the Ay up light are a little generous with there numbers,

    If I use the Ay up specs & compare to cree's specs I get got from cree's own product characterization tool:

    CREE XR-E (R2 bin LED) @ 500ma = 154.1lm x2 led = 308.2lm
    After optic losses for the optic they use, we get 131 x2 = 262lm not 320lm as they say

    Battery runtime: Ay up specs 6hr

    Ok, not counting resistor losses a 7.4V 2600mAh battery drained @ 500ma @ best = 5.2hrs

    as it a resistor for a driver, the light WILL dim as the battery drains, this is the only way they could get 6 hrs, 6hrs @ a reduced output.

    They could not get 6hrs @ 500ma with the battery they say they use.

    so if you want a light that dims as the battery drains, then be happy as these are cheap as chips...the only saving grace is that a lipo / liion battery does not have a huge voltage sag to drained...

    any light with a switch mode driver is a better light in the long term as the efficiency will always be better than a resistor that blead off the extra as heat...

    it is was it is a good cheap light, & is light weight, but inside is not up to the pro lights with good quality drivers / electronics ect... so if you like em ride em, but please compare apples with apples

    Don't flame me on this post as this is compared from the specs on the Aup web site...

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    Thanks for that great analysis.

    I agree - if there is just a resistor for a "driver" then the brightest that the light will be is when it has a fully charged battery. The bad news is that with lithium technologies, the voltages stays pretty stable but then hits the knee in the curve where it drops like a stone.

    If the Ayups had an active driver with regulation that would make for a great light. I wish they would do that.

    I currently have a Dinotte 400L, and the better helmet mount of the Ayups was really attractive to me along with the individually aimable lights. According to the light shoot out, they also have good "light on the target" that was also interesting. However, with the drive circuit that they have, this is not a constant output whereas the 400L is.

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    Check out their website - they've just updated it. New batteries that offer different light levels, a new case for the lights, and maybe some other stuff that I haven't found out about yet. Their prices seem to have gone up a bit though...

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    Yeah that new case is a load of crap and waste of money I mean I have never packed up my lights back into there bags nor have I placed them in there neoprene pouches. So there is no way I would be placing them into that darn case and if my lights come of my bike there tossed in my gear bag so I'm not wasting time prissy around packing them up. I agree the prices for the cased versions I think is over the top because much of what comes packaged with AY-UP's you never use so just money down the drain.

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    Ive been using ayups for about 6 months. Ive never run the six hour battery flat but I have gotten five hours running from the 3 hour battery before I noticed that it was getting dim.

    If anything I would say that ayup underquote the outputs of their lights rather than over quote them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul1977

    If anything I would say that ayup underquote the outputs of their lights rather than over quote them.
    whatever mate, I don't really care...you can 'say' what you like...but the numbers don't lie...

    Ayup don't use a magical Cree R2 that's better than the rest...Ayup quote 'on paper' numbers, not real final lumen output...

    CREE XR-E (R2 bin LED) @ 500ma = 154.1lm x2 led = 308.2lm
    After optic losses for the optic they use, we get 131 x2 = 262lm not 320lm as they say

    but I can say that the new Ayup's with a 20c driver, will be a much better light...

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    I have gotten five hours running from the 3 hour battery before I noticed that it was getting dim.
    The great thing about solid state lighting(LED)is that it can be regulated and so produce constant light output without going dim towards the end of the battery cycle.

    We said good by to all that when we stopped using good old fashioned bulbs.

    Good to hear that the new Ayup's will be regulated at last.

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    Looks like the batteries have a high and low setting.
    http://www.ayup-lights.com/products/43/
    Did anyone find how many lumens the low setting gives you? guessing half?
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    I find it fascinating how folk are easily sucked in by a colored case with somewhat qustionable output based on whats out there currently. That includes on power/wt ratio as some have suggested.

    If as K says, one is objective the numbers, dont lie.

    There is a reason these guys need the two leds to be adjustable. ie. to get any semblence of a useable beam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakomonster
    Looks like the batteries have a high and low setting.
    http://www.ayup-lights.com/products/43/
    Did anyone find how many lumens the low setting gives you? guessing half?
    Double runtime so half battery drain. Though batteries last longer at half amps and leds more efficient and those are minimum runtimes so who knows?
    Half current is a useful step.

    Control button on the "battery" which is tucked away in the pouch?

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    I bought my Wife a pair of AY UP lights for her anniversary. I have ridden with them a couple of times and have found them to be very good. The spot on the head easily matches my Niterider X2 Duals and has a lot longer run time. The intermediate beam on the bars is adequate with a bit more throw than my Trinewt but is a bit ringy with less spill. For the price and the battery life, not to mention the relatively cheap cost of additional batteries I think they were a great deal.

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