2014 Mtbr Lights Shootout

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  • 11-07-2013
    mb323323
    Francios

    Can you tell me if the Cateye 1200 batteries can be removed and replaced on the fly. Are they just 2 separate 18650's or is it in a Cateye proprietary battery pack.

    Thx
  • 11-07-2013
    indebt
    Hopefully Francois will have a definitive answer for you mb323323. Looking on Cateye's website and checking out the manual, it appears that the battery's are in a proprietary format. The disturbing thing though is I couldn't find anywhere on their website where you could order a spare battery. Hopefully an oversight on my part.
  • 11-07-2013
    varider
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    Look at this page
    HL-EL1000RC | CATEYE

    They have a replacement battery listed. It actually looks like the whole back of the light (the black part) is the battery cartridge. My guess is that it is not meant to be on-the-fly replaceable though, not like the lezyne lights.

    Edit: It takes two or three allen bolts to remove the battery. I attached a picture from the manual. I wouldn't do this on the trail.

    Attachment 845215
  • 11-07-2013
    cue003
    Francois are you testing the lights stability (or lack thereof) while mounted and riding or just primarily the light output?

    Thanks
  • 11-07-2013
    indebt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Look at this page
    HL-EL1000RC | CATEYE

    They have a replacement battery listed. It actually looks like the whole back of the light (the black part) is the battery cartridge. My guess is that it is not meant to be on-the-fly replaceable though, not like the lezyne lights.

    Edit: It takes two or three allen bolts to remove the battery. I attached a picture from the manual. I wouldn't do this on the trail.

    Attachment 845215

    ugh!! man i'm blind,,, thanx.
  • 11-07-2013
    androgen
    don't see why people are so excited over this Volt 1200 light. yeah it's self-contained so what.

    to me Gemini Olympia is the standout light here.

    from top to bottom: Seca / Olympia / Volt :

    http://reviews.mtbr.com/wp-content/u...-Seca-2000.jpg
    http://reviews.mtbr.com/wp-content/u...ni-Olympia.jpg
    http://reviews.mtbr.com/wp-content/u...Volt-12001.jpg

    the first light ( Seca ) is expensive out of the box, and a replacement / additional 6 cell L&M battery is $200, which IMO is downright unethical. The last one ( Volt ) is clearly inferior, but the middle one ( Olympia ) has a great price / performance balance IMO, and the ability to use MagicShine batteries IMO is a huge plus.

    the beam pattern of the Olympia looks incredible - a work of art ! they were able to get beam quality similar to the Seca from a much smaller and simpler light head and for much cheaper - outstanding !

    if you look carefully starting from the top beam shot and going down, the Seca lights up everything more or less evenly, going down to the 2nd beam shot the Olympia looks similar to the Seca but is just slightly narrower. going down again to the Volt suddenly it just turns to !@#% with mostly one giant artifact instead of a beam - too much light in the nearfield, almost none on the sides, and an ugly abrupt transition.

    yes i understand i am comparing a self-contained system to wired systems. the Volt isn't bad for a self-contained light, but the obsession with self-contained is IMO irrational.

    as for the Olympia - yes it is unfortunate that they lied about the Lumens, the cooling looks questionable for the output, and the mount is not what i would prefer but if we were looking at beam patterns alone this would be my top pick !
  • 11-08-2013
    mb323323
    Yeah, got an email from Cateye and they said it can be replaced but you do have to buy their battery. They don't have the cost yet but said around 100. That takes me out and it's is probably too big for the helmet anyway.

    So far I still can't beat my cheap Ultrafire 502b w/ several Panasonic 3100 mah batteries. 15 for the light and about 20 for the batteries and charger and yes, I can replace on the trail no issues.

    Still waiting for Dinotte to come out w/ something awesome that is self contained and very small for the helmet.

    MB
  • 11-08-2013
    indebt
    Have you checked out the Cygolite Expillion 800. New product 800 lumens and an hour and a half on the highest setting. Self contained with interchangeable 18650's on the fly. Our MEC in Vancouver has them listed at $109.
  • 11-08-2013
    Warshade
    I just bought a Nitefighter BT40 with a claimed 1600 max lumens for only $80, (and it is every bit as bright as a Lezyne MegaDrive, if not more so)...pretty good deal if you ask me!

    The Nitefighter BT40 is essentially the same thing as the MagicShine MJ-872.
  • 11-08-2013
    varider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mb323323 View Post
    Yeah, got an email from Cateye and they said it can be replaced but you do have to buy their battery. They don't have the cost yet but said around 100. That takes me out and it's is probably too big for the helmet anyway.

    So far I still can't beat my cheap Ultrafire 502b w/ several Panasonic 3100 mah batteries. 15 for the light and about 20 for the batteries and charger and yes, I can replace on the trail no issues.

    Still waiting for Dinotte to come out w/ something awesome that is self contained and very small for the helmet.

    MB

    Ouch! $100 for what is probably a two cell battery is way overpriced.

    The Lezyne mega/deca drive battery is much more reasonable at $40.
    LIR 2 Cell Rechargeable Battery (MEGA DRIVE / DECA DRIVE)

    The cost of the battery replacement is a huge factor in determining what light I would buy.
  • 11-08-2013
    Warshade
    Re: 2014 Mtbr Lights Shootout
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Warshade View Post
    I just bought a Nitefighter BT40 with a claimed 1600 max lumens for only $80, (and it is every bit as bright as a Lezyne MegaDrive, if not more so)...pretty good deal if you ask me!

    The Nitefighter BT40 is essentially the same thing as the MagicShine MJ-872.

    http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/09/aqegu7ap.jpg
  • 11-08-2013
    francois
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by indebt View Post
    Have you checked out the Cygolite Expillion 800. New product 800 lumens and an hour and a half on the highest setting. Self contained with interchangeable 18650's on the fly. Our MEC in Vancouver has them listed at $109.


    Cygolite... It's very frustrating dealing with them since they don't want to send lights. They just do not want independent reviews of their lights.

    We might purchase them for the review but they don't like that either. Just strange.

    fc
  • 11-08-2013
    francois
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Warshade View Post

    Yes that light is probably the most copied/sold one under different brands. It's a good light with a wide beam. We reviewed the original one.

    Magicshine MJ-872 ? 2013 Mtbr Lights Shootout | Mountain Bike Review

    fc
  • 11-08-2013
    indebt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Cygolite... It's very frustrating dealing with them since they don't want to send lights. They just do not want independent reviews of their lights.

    We might purchase them for the review but they don't like that either. Just strange.

    fc

    Yes it's to bad their so uncooperative as my experience with their products have been very good. My 2009 Triden-X Extra is still going strong with the new owner and with the original battery to boot.
  • 11-08-2013
    varider
    I'm curious how the Magicshine 880 with new xm-l2 stacks up against similarly priced lights. Jim from action led produced a nice graph which showed a noticeable improvement in performance. Any chance you could review this light?

    http://forums.mtbr.com/lights-night-...ne-866239.html
  • 11-08-2013
    francois
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by John Serkaian View Post
    Have you compared the Mega Drive with the Deca Drive? Is the extra throw of the Mega Drive useful for road use or is the Deca Drive enough? Thanks.

    Deca Drive is enough and is better I think. $50 cheaper, longer run time and wider pattern with the 3 LEDs.

    fc
  • 11-08-2013
    mb323323
    It would be great if you did get one of the Expillion 800's and test. I'm curious as to output and real run time test.

    I would really like a bike light dedicated self contained helmet light. My Ultrafire is ok but even w/ 3100's it dims after 45 min or so.

    I imagine the Cygo would not dim but power down when the battery is drained which I'd prefer.
  • 11-08-2013
    francois
    Went to the integrated sphere lab yesterday. Gloworms all measured up to claims, Bontrager Ion 700 measured in at 682 lumens. We got 4250 lumens now for the Lupine Betty as we had better cooling. Detailed charts to follow. Meanwhile, here's a really cool Wind Speed simulator for our extended run time tests.

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/FsBCxuCBzj0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
  • 11-08-2013
    John Serkaian
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Deca Drive is enough and is better I think. $50 cheaper, longer run time and wider pattern with the 3 LEDs.

    fc

    Thank you. It would be interesting to see how Cygolite's Expilion 800 compares with the Deca Drive's 800 lumen rating and features. Keep up the great job providing such objective and comprehensive reviews.
  • 11-09-2013
    francois
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by John Serkaian View Post
    Thank you. It would be interesting to see how Cygolite's Expilion 800 compares with the Deca Drive's 800 lumen rating and features. Keep up the great job providing such objective and comprehensive reviews.

    In the past, Cygolites have been ok. Decent beam with good light level programming. But they measured about 10-15% lower than lumen claims on average in their Expilion line.

    fc
  • 11-10-2013
    derekbob
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by androgen View Post
    to me Gemini Olympia is the standout light here.


    the beam pattern of the Olympia looks incredible - a work of art ! they were able to get beam quality similar to the Seca from a much smaller and simpler light head and for much cheaper - outstanding !

    as for the Olympia - yes it is unfortunate that they lied about the Lumens, the cooling looks questionable for the output, and the mount is not what i would prefer but if we were looking at beam patterns alone this would be my top pick !

    I agree with you on this one. The Olympia lights up the entire tunnel with a very even pattern and still allows you to see directly in front. The Lupines are so intense up front you can barely read the 45 degree and 20' marks. Everyone has been throwing Gemini under the bus for the lumens claims, and they threw the baby under the bus with the bathwater.
  • 11-10-2013
    pabcor
    Can you test new Magicshine Eagle 300 and 600 USB lights?
  • 11-10-2013
    francois
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pabcor View Post
    Can you test new Magicshine Eagle 300 and 600 USB lights?

    I have the Magicshine Eagle 600 and will publish soon. It is awesome. About 610 lumens and the digital readout really works and it adds value. It displays run time or charge time in real-time based on the current light level.

    fc
  • 11-10-2013
    pabcor
    Good, thanks
  • 11-11-2013
    ziscwg
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by John Serkaian View Post
    Have you compared the Mega Drive with the Deca Drive? Is the extra throw of the Mega Drive useful for road use or is the Deca Drive enough? Thanks.


    Take a look at this video after about 5 min, they show beams

    Link here