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    Quote Originally Posted by blueyin View Post
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    You know, I would really enjoy hearing any valid reasons for them not to participate. I'm not trying to be snarky or anything. I honestly cant think why every other major player in the bike light business sent their lights in except cygolite, other than they have something to hide/dont think their lights will be able to compete.

    IMHO, if you fail to send your lights in and dont want to bother giving us a reason. Then we are going to think the worst.

    But hey man, if you got some legit reasons you think they wouldnt participate. Lay them on me.

    I'm all ears and eyes.

    Heck as I noted before, Cygolite has the cheapest light in the range that I am looking for.
    If you feel that their not participating should exclude them from your light search, then by all means follow your gut instinct. While I might be disappointed that a light I was considering wasn't thrown into the mix, I wouldn't let it affect my purchase decision.

    Obviously I have no idea why they are not sending lights, and to be honest I only have ever hear their name, I know zero about their lights, the quality, or anything about them.

    It is possible that they're not participating because the testing is not in their opinion performed properly, a light specialist with the specific knowledge may do different things for example than the crude lumen lux testing that has been in prior tests. These MTBR tests also take no weighting on rated products, the Magicshine lights for example don't have UL and UN ratings but I don't believe it's even ever mentioned. I'm sure there are many possible reasons, heck one could even be that they don't think they're product will fair will in a head to head - it's certainly one potential explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueyin View Post
    Randyharris:

    You know, I would really enjoy hearing any valid reasons for them not to participate. I'm not trying to be snarky or anything. I honestly cant think why every other major player in the bike light business sent their lights in except cygolite, other than they have something to hide/dont think their lights will be able to compete.

    IMHO, if you fail to send your lights in and dont want to bother giving us a reason. Then we are going to think the worst.

    But hey man, if you got some legit reasons you think they wouldnt participate. Lay them on me.

    I'm all ears and eyes.

    Heck as I noted before, Cygolite has the cheapest light in the range that I am looking for.
    Yeah, I can't think of any "very valid" reasons either. It's somewhere on a continuum from "they're to cheap/lazy to do it, though their actual lights might be fine" to "they're trying to hide something". Somewhere in the range. I know someone who owned a Cygolite told me that at least on one specific light he thought their beamshots on their site were way off and the light wasn't nearly as wide as Cygolite's shot showed it to be. (It was one of the all in one commuter lights, their shot showed it lighting up 2 street lanes, someone who owned it said it was a stretch to just light up one).

    EDIT: I wrote my response before the above the response, so if it seem weird that I would write this in that order that's why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
    Yeah, I can't think of any "very valid" reasons either. It's somewhere on a continuum from "they're to cheap/lazy to do it, though their actual lights might be fine" to "they're trying to hide something". Somewhere in the range. I know someone who owned a Cygolite told me that at least on one specific light he thought their beamshots on their site were way off and the light wasn't nearly as wide as Cygolite's shot showed it to be. (It was one of the all in one commuter lights, their shot showed it lighting up 2 street lanes, someone who owned it said it was a stretch to just light up one).

    EDIT: I wrote my response before the above the response, so if it seem weird that I would write this in that order that's why.
    Just to put some closure to this (and not violate their privacy too much...) They will not send lights to any publication now and for the last 10 years because they treated unfairly 10 years ago by a magazine.

    I've been getting the runaround from them for the last 4 years so it's good to finally have an answer. And then I have to field inquiries from 50 readers why I don't include them.

    Anyway, I'll just buy them.

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    When will the Light Shootout be posted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by djembe975 View Post
    When will the Light Shootout be posted?
    I will start posting this week and individual reviews on lights will come out daily.

    Just got DesignShine last night. Very nice.

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    francois, this is just a curious question - with the high powered lights overcoming the dynamic range of cameras (aka either the brightest part of the beam blows out or the dark areas are darker than than are in person) I would just curious if you had considered buying a dslr for their great dynamic range. I think the Nikon d5100 (and it's more expensive d7000 sibling) have the best dynamic range one can fine in a dslr right now. Unfortunately the d5100 requires tricks to set everything manually for video (no problem for pics, but video takes some workarounds).

    Just curious if you had considered it. There's probably some drawbacks, not to mention cost to it so definitely not saying anyone has to, appreciate the wide range of lights you're reviewing and taking beam shots of this year. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
    francois, this is just a curious question - with the high powered lights overcoming the dynamic range of cameras (aka either the brightest part of the beam blows out or the dark areas are darker than than are in person) I would just curious if you had considered buying a dslr for their great dynamic range. I think the Nikon d5100 (and it's more expensive d7000 sibling) have the best dynamic range one can fine in a dslr right now. Unfortunately the d5100 requires tricks to set everything manually for video (no problem for pics, but video takes some workarounds).

    Just curious if you had considered it. There's probably some drawbacks, not to mention cost to it so definitely not saying anyone has to, appreciate the wide range of lights you're reviewing and taking beam shots of this year. :-)

    I have a Nikon D5000 and I'm replacing it with a D7000. Tell me more. I'm using the old Canon G9 for consistency.

    I should try using them.

    I'll PM you with the latest beam photos.

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    I know more about compacts than I do dslr's, but when you take a pic and find that either the white is blown out, or the light brightness appears normal in the middle but on the edges it turns black in the picture before it turns black in real life that's called "dynamic range" - the range of light the camera can measure at once from the brightest part to the darkest part. The usual example of dynamic range is when you take a picture of someone in the shade with the sky behind them and either they end up really dark and you can see the sky, or the sky ends up totally white and "blown out" even though in reality it was blue with white puffy clouds, not it's a solid white piece. Maybe you already know this.

    But dslr's with their larger sensors have better dynamic range than compact cameras, even the g9. As time goes on they improve the ability of both cameras to capture a wider dynamic range, but from the same generation of tech a dslr should always be capable of capturing more of it. The sensor used in the d5100 and d7000 is developed by Sony and supposedly is the best affordable dslr sensor you can get right now for capturing the maximum dynamic range. Next year Canon will probably come out with a sensor that beats it, lol, but right now it's the best - note that I am mainly more of an expert on compacts, dslr's aren't my usual area of expertise so that is the information I know but I'm not a total expert.

    In theory this would provide a more accurate view of how far to the sides these lights light up. I know when I've tried to take pics before the camera often doesn't show the areas off to the sides like they appear in real life, and in theory this would help with that.

    Here's an example from the Peter White site -
    headlight beams from Peter White Cycles



    In this shot it appears that the light gives off *no* light to the sides and it's completely black. In reality (I know because I own the light) it does give off a little light to the sides.

    It's certainly also totally valid to take all the pics with the same camera from previous years for consistency, and one would have to test it out to see if it *really* makes a difference, in theory though it should create more accurate pictures. Theoretically.

    fyi, the d7000 lets you manually set everything in video, so if you're trying to take video of the light (though that might be a big ungainly to mount on the bike while riding) using consistent video settings that might be an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    I will start posting this week and individual reviews on lights will come out daily.

    Just got DesignShine last night. Very nice.

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    Francois,

    Thats great ... I was commuting home today ... and for the first time this season I saw the sunset on my commute. By next week most likely I'll be riding at dusk. Note I live in the midwest and thus most people who are on a 9-5 (six for myself) will probably be needing them pretty soon.

    Thanks again for all your hard work.

    Also thanks for at least getting a reason, though not a very good one IMHO, about Cygolite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
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    fyi, the d7000 lets you manually set everything in video, so if you're trying to take video of the light (though that might be a big ungainly to mount on the bike while riding) using consistent video settings that might be an option.

    Thank you!! I'm definitely getting the D7000 then. We take a lot of video with the D5000 and it won't even focus correctly. If I have the D7000 with fixed video settings, I can ride with it and maybe capture these bike lights in action accurately.

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    Glad I could help. :-) Note that I do not own the d7000, but that info comes from as reliable a source as possible -
    Nikon D7000 Review: 18. Live View/Movie Mode: Digital Photography Review

    "AF is available during movie recording and shutter speed, aperture and ISO can all be set manually if you so wish (aperture has to be set before the start of recording)."

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    ...though do note that none of the dslr's are particularly great at autofocussing while anything is moving.

    Cameras...they' frickin' complicated aren't they? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
    ...though do note that none of the dslr's are particularly great at autofocussing while anything is moving.

    Cameras...they' frickin' complicated aren't they? lol
    Indeed they are....

    And regarding beamshots, although somewhat objective in nature, I've found that locating the camera as close as possible to where the user's eyes would be normally in relation to the light tends to give a more realistic depiction. Comparative shots off from the side or further behind can also be useful, but maybe not as good at depicting what the rider sees.
    JMHO

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    Francois,

    Just a heads-up - I posted a note to the Digital Photography Review forum asking for appropriate camera settings if using the D5000 and D7000 to test these high-intensity lamps. Hopefully you'll see some very expert responses.

    Thread is at:
    forums[dot]dpreview[dot]com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1055&message=39516703

    How are things going in soliciting tail light samples?

    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.k.a. View Post
    Francois,

    Just a heads-up - I posted a note to the Digital Photography Review forum asking for appropriate camera settings if using the D5000 and D7000 to test these high-intensity lamps. Hopefully you'll see some very expert responses.

    Thread is at:
    forums[dot]dpreview[dot]com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1055&message=39516703

    How are things going in soliciting tail light samples?

    Cheers!

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    I only have a few. I have the monster light though.

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    Cateye is in with Sumo 2, Sumo 3, NanoShot, and Econom Force.

    Tiny Sun Lights and DesignShine are in too.

    Cygolite is now in!!!! Just a couple of lights though. They said this is the first time this decade they're sending a light for review so it's a good win for all.

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    Which CygoLites are being sent for review?

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    LUX. I want to see these light's lux to lumen rating and the beam pattern...

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    Francois,

    Good for Cygo!

    If you're so inclined, could you shoot NITEFlux an email about sending you some from their lineup -- esp. the Red Zone 4 tail light?

    a.k.a.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djembe975 View Post
    Which CygoLites are being sent for review?
    TridenX 750 OSP (MSRP $349.95 )
    MityCross 480 OSP (MSRP $249.95)

    Meh, I'm negotiating with them right now. The MityCross lights will not fare well against the competition I fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.k.a. View Post
    Francois,

    Good for Cygo!

    If you're so inclined, could you shoot NITEFlux an email about sending you some from their lineup -- esp. the Red Zone 4 tail light?

    a.k.a.
    Yes, Nifeflux!! How could I forget.

    Also, I have full clearance to use the $40k integrating sphere (to measure actual lumens) at Lezyne factory in San Luis Obispo. I'll go there next week.

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    Can't begin to emagine the hours your putting into all of this Francios, so just a big thank you for all that hard work, and your feedback on the Surfas True1500.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
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    The MityCross lights will not fare well against the competition I fear.

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    You'd be surprised. I've been riding with a MityCross 400 on my helmet for about 9 months and love it. Pairs well with up to about 1500 lumens on the bar. One has to remember what the MityCross is - not an uber bright light but one that does many things well in a small package with 3.5 hours run time on high. With that said, it does do better on the lid than on the bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    TridenX 750 OSP (MSRP $349.95 )
    MityCross 480 OSP (MSRP $249.95)

    Meh, I'm negotiating with them right now. The MityCross lights will not fare well against the competition I fear.

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    Try to get them to send you at least their new Turbo 740 light as that might stack up better against the competition especially for the price. Turbo 740

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfTheHill View Post
    You'd be surprised. I've been riding with a MityCross 400 on my helmet for about 9 months and love it. Pairs well with up to about 1500 lumens on the bar. One has to remember what the MityCross is - not an uber bright light but one that does many things well in a small package with 3.5 hours run time on high. With that said, it does do better on the lid than on the bars.
    Good feedback.

    These new lights though... so bright, so cheap and so light.

    For runtime, you can run a lot of these new lights at half power and they would still be mighty bright.

    fc

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