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    Review: Dinotte Ultra 5 vs. Dualcross Li-Ion

    I have not seen a direct comparison anywhere between these two lights. I narrowed my own choices to these two after applying my own inscutable requirements and preferences.

    I will populate this review with as many photos as possible. I will be taking pictures of the comparing the light beams on the trail, attempting to show here exactly what I am seeing when I am using them.

    The Dinotte Ultra 5 is a revised model with 200 lumens output instead of 120 lumens, and the beam, as I am told by the Dinotte staff, is also tighter and more focussed then previously.

    My experiences disussing my needs and wants with Dinotte through e-mail was nothing short of excellent. I purchased, on sale, two Ultra 5 lights, one with a longer cord and one with a shorter cord, without batteries or chargers as I already have some of the best of both that is available. Here are some pictures of each of the Cygolite Dualcross Li-Ion and the Dinotte packages upon opening. The Dualcross came with a very slick handlebar mount. The instructions say to remove and cut one piece to fit oversized bars, which I have, but I found that I had to completely remove both rubber pieces to make it clamp on my bars.

    You can see from the photo of the Dinotte package that I received a plethora of stuff. I received an extra nylon carrier, over and above the two I expected. I received an extra helmet mount, although technically it is not extra because I ordered two lights and each one comes with a helmet mount. I received extra plastic battery cases, three to be prcise, and I received what I consider to be extra mounting hardware which consisted of o-rings, straps, and wire keeper straps.
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    Dinotte Ultra 5 Helmet Mount

    This is a series of pictures of the helmet mount for the Dinotte Ultra 5. Simple, easy to attach, and light weight. In use, it stays where I put it. It is a little fiddly to adjust exactly where I like the beam, but then I do not have to re-adjust.
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    Dinotte Ultra 5 Mounted on Helmet

    Thes pictures show how the final mounting looks on the helmet.
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    Dinotte Ultra 5 Connector

    This shows the connector that the Ultra 5 uses to the battery case.
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    Cygolite Dualcross Bar Mount

    These show the bar mount for the Dualcross. I had to remove both of the rubber pieces. The third picture shows how the mount goes on the bar. The latch is fine-tuned for the diameter of the bar by a long threaded rod that the latch is attached to. It is an excellent system that works, and is quite secure. If I was keeping the Dualcross, I would find a way to use the rubber pieces in there as they were menat to be used. I would probably contact their customer support. The mount is supposed to fit my 31.8 mm bars, but it does not.
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    The Lights, Mounted

    The first picture shows the Cygolite mounted. The second picture shows the Dinotte mounted on my bars. The ride is a 2006 Iron Horse Mk III Sport, purchased about three weeks ago.
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    Backyard Light Beam Comparison

    The first picture is of the Cygolite Dualcross Li-Ion. Notice the more defined main spot, and the wider spill light closer to the rider. Both lights have their main spot pointed at the plants. The second picture is of the Dinotte Ultra 5. Notice that the total beam is narrower than the Dualcross, but that the light is much brighter and there is much more light along the path from in front of the tire to the end of the beam on the wall. I much prefer, so far, the beam intensity and pattern of the Ultra 5. I have used the Ultra 5 on-trail and it rocks. Tonight I will be using the Ultra 5 and the Dualcross in comparison on the trail, and I will be taking comparison pictures of the beams on the trail, hopefully in a wider, flatter section and a tight singletrack section. I will then post the pics and my opinions on how they stack up against each other on the trail.

    The plants where the beams are aimed are 26 feet, or 8 meters from the front of the front tire.

    Please post if you have any types of pictures you wish to see, and I will try to oblige.
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    Thanks for the information and the pictures. Have you had any experience with other LED spot lights? I have also tried my Princeton Tec Apex (3w luxeon) on my helmet and, while not as bright, it has a better beam to support the overvolted 20 watt halogen I run on the bars.

    I look forward to the beam shots from the trails.

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    Hey Bumble, Is the shot of the Ultra 5's w/ both lights on or just one?

    If you don't mind me asking, what did the total package from Dinotte cost?

    Thanks

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    Nice comparison.

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    Wombat,

    I do not have experience with other LED lights. My previous experience is with Nightsun halogens and Nightrider halogens. I like this Dinotte light better. One thing I learned during the testing is that the Dinotte Ultra 5 makes a great helmet light.

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    mb323323,

    That shot is of the single Ultra 5. If I put two Ultra 5's on the handlebar and compared it to the Dualcross, it would not be fair.

    Dinotte has a sale, and I did not get the batteries or charger. The total came out to $308.00. I feel it is well worth it. geoman has the complete sets, including batteries and charger, on sale for $149 each. That is less than what I paid.

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    James,

    Thank you!

    I have a bunch of photos from tonight's trail trip. I will have them up tomorrow. The bottom line is that the Dinotte lights are better than the Dualcross in every measure of light output and beam pattern on the trails. I will be returning the Cygolite. The MSRP is the same for both, but the Dinottes are on sale now, so that is a no-brainer between the two.

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    Hi, excellent work and photos

    Such how you have mount the dinotte light, this don't work well, since the cygolite light do shadow to go in front.

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    msxtr,

    I do not understand your comment/question. The Dinotte and Cygolites are mounted right next to each other on the handlebar. There is no shadow from the cygolite, as there is nothing in front of it.

    Maybe you are trying to say that the cygolite is blocking part of the light from the Ultra 5?
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    Trails-Night Ride Pictures!

    Here are the pictures I took from the night ride. Exposures are all exactly the same. I set up the camera on the tripod at just about head-height if I was sitting on the bicycle. The exposures were made to show what I was seeing myself, and I think I have pretty much done that.

    The first trail here is some wide singletrack.

    This first set is two pairs: The first picture is of the Dualcross pointed close to my front tire, where I would like it to provide full lighting on my immediate track, assuming I also had a helmet light for looking farther. The second is of the Ultra 5 pointed the same place.

    The second pair: the first picture is the Dualcross pointed down the trail, as if I did not have a helmet light and I wanted to have the maximum use of the light. The second is of the Ultra 5 pointed the same place.

    The pictures show you exactly what I saw. The Dinotte wins hands down.
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    Second Trail, Pictures from Night Ride!

    This set is from a second trail. It is much wider than the first trail, to simulate how wide the beams are for illuminating a wider area in front as you are riding.

    Again I have taken two pairs.

    The first picture is of the Dualcross pointed close to my front tire, where I would like it to provide full lighting on my immediate track, assuming I also had a helmet light for looking farther. The second is of the Ultra 5 pointed the same place.

    The second pair: the first picture is the Dualcross pointed down the trail, as if I did not have a helmet light and I wanted to have the maximum use of the light. The second is of the Ultra 5 pointed the same place.

    Again the Dinotte wins. Bear in mind that the Dualcross is a very good light. I did like it, but it just is not as good at anything as the Dinotte lights, IMHO.
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    I'm wondering how the Dinotte compares to the old Nite Rider Digital Night Owl that I've been using for many years. Decent performance, though its outdated compared to HID's.

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    Dinotte Light Level Comparison, and Final Thoughts

    I made a comparison between the high beam and low beam of the Ultra 5 so you all could see what I would like to comment on.

    The first is the high beam on singletrack, pointed down the trail as if I did not have a helmet light. The second is the low beam, pointed the same place.

    The low beam of the Dinotte is, I feel, adequate for slower trail riding if you want it to last considerably longer. Instead of a low beam that you will never use, I felt that this level of light was at least barely adequate, and useable, on actual trails. I did do some riding with the low beam on the single Dinotte on the handlebar, no helmet light, and that is my observations.

    FINAL THOUGHTS:
    After taking all these pictures, I went for a ride for a while so I could switch back and forth between the lights and just see how I felt about them at speed under different conditions. I rode each light alone as a bar light. I also rode each light as a bar light with a helmet light (another Ultra 5). I rode the lights on singletrack, wider trails, and bombing fast down a fire road. In each case, I optimized the pointing of the light for what I felt was its best point for each situation. The end result: in every case, I felt the Dinotte Ultra 5 provided more light, and a more useful beam pattern than the Cygolite Dualcross Li-Ion. The Cygolite is a very good light. The design, materials and thoughtfulness of application, including the bar mount, are top quality. So is the Dinotte, though, and the Dinotte, for me, just performed better at everything I threw at it.

    I am performing some burn time testing on the Dinotte lights with my own batteries and charger, which are some of the best available today. I will also post a link to the web site/article for the battery and charger testing so you all can find out the same info. I will post the results of this testing as I acquire data.
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    Jerk_Chicken,

    The Dinotte web site states that the Ultra 5 is similar to a 12-15 watt halogen. That is for the older 120 lumen lights. The lights are now 200 lumens. Based on my experience, the light quality and beam pattern, this may be a real step up for you from your old halogens. It seems to me that a single Ultra 5 is easily comparable to a 20 watt halogen. Then you get the better efficiency, and you never have to replace the bulb.

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    It sounds like a good deal. I can make my own battery packs and loathe the Li-Ions, so I might opt for a headunit only.

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    The Dinottes use NiMh batteries. Only their special Endurance Series uses Li-Ion.

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    Hmmmm...got several packs of 2300 AA's at home. Wonder if it's worth it to go with the most basic kit.

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    It might be. But please take a look a little later when I post run times, because I will be posting a link to some VERY useful info on batteries and chargers. My first run-time test is nothing short of amazing. I am re-running to verify. But consider that I just got 2 hours and 38 minutes of run-time on high with 4 NiMh AA batteries!!!!

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    Great review, thank you. It certainly looks like the upgrade is the way to go. Casting logic aside I have however decided to buy the 3 w version for $89 and will upgrade it with a Seoul P4. I know that this breaks the basic rule of buying thing: don't buy something with the intention of immediately upgrading, but I could do with another light (although others may not agree) and it gives me the opportunity to pull it apart.

    Do you have any idea what emitter Dinotte used in the new 5W?

    Thanks for taking the time to post all of the information.

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    Wombat,

    Never too rich, or too thin, or too many lights. I'm there with ya.
    I do not know which emitter they are using for the new lights. After reading about the Crees and the Seouls and everything else here, I am also curious. email Rob and he will tell you if he can. He has been extremely helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bumble
    msxtr,

    I do not understand your comment/question. The Dinotte and Cygolites are mounted right next to each other on the handlebar. There is no shadow from the cygolite, as there is nothing in front of it.

    Maybe you are trying to say that the cygolite is blocking part of the light from the Ultra 5?
    Yes, that I wanted said

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    Excellent review and pictures... Thanks!

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    You're welcome!

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    I have just performed some testing on the burn times of the new Ultra 5. I am using the Energizer 2500 AA batteries, and the Maha 204W charger which is one of the best on the market. I have confirmed that the burn times are fantastic on these. First set of batteries went 2 hours 38 minutes until it switched to low mode. The second set, same brand, different set, 2 hours 30 minutes. This is far and away better than the stated run time of 100 minutes!

    Here is the link to the web page with the information on batteries and chargers.

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/ACCS/BATTS/BATTS.HTM

    The main batteries plus a spare set give me 5 hours of run time! I think this ia a great value as it is just the cost of the Energizer 2500's for a spare set. I did get the Maha charger and the batteries from Thomas Distributing. The prices are great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bumble

    I do not have experience with other LED lights. My previous experience is with Nightsun halogens and Nightrider halogens. I like this Dinotte light better. One thing I learned during the testing is that the Dinotte Ultra 5 makes a great helmet light.
    Nice sharp pictures & well thought out plan . After seeing the above here then reading this... My first night ride, or What not to do! , i just dunt know...

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    Grumpy,

    What is it that has you puzzled?
    I had fun!! The Dinotte light on my helmet was a great help when I was getting my rear wheel back in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bumble
    Grumpy,
    I had fun!!
    Great.
    Quote Originally Posted by bumble
    The Dinotte light on my helmet was a great help when I was getting my rear wheel back in!
    I am sure it was..lol

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    Oh, Dinotte himself is here...lol

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    Oh, Dinotte himself is here...lol
    QUICK bumble! Get your Dinnote out!

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    DiNotte current model run times

    Yes, we're well aware that 2007/2008 models have far better than stated run times. We're in the middle of season changes, and the new lights run for well over 2 hours on high (AA version) We also use 2500 mAh batteries as opposed to the 2300 in our spec sheets.

    as we get closer to the 2007 season and all old products are phased out, we'll have the new information. We'll also have the information on the upgrades, etc., but for now we know all products will meet or exceed every spec we have out there.

    Thanks to all of you for the enthusiasm regarding our product's performance.


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    Got it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bumble
    mb323323,

    That shot is of the single Ultra 5. If I put two Ultra 5's on the handlebar and compared it to the Dualcross, it would not be fair.

    Dinotte has a sale, and I did not get the batteries or charger. The total came out to $308.00. I feel it is well worth it. geoman has the complete sets, including batteries and charger, on sale for $149 each. That is less than what I paid.
    Are the Geoman ones the newer model with 200 lumens?

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    I don't know. I was wondering that myself. You would have to ask geoman or Rob.

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    Incredible review, you have really helped me out.

    Is the newest Dinolite out on the market? Where can I get the best price for this light?

    I need to buy a light in the next week.

    Thanks !!

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    Thank you. The newest Dinotte is on the market, from Dinotte. There are various sales going on, from geoman.com and Nashbar, for $149 for the set. I do not know if they are the new 200 lumen light, though. I suspect that they are not the new light. The best way to make sure is to get it from Dinotte.com. They have it on sale for $170. That is what I did.

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    Is it going to fall apart when I ride over roots and rocks etc if it is attached to my handlebars? The straps that are used to hold it on don't look like they would work very well, do they?

    Thanks.

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    I sent in my older 5w to rob @dinottelighting.com for the upgrade just waiting to get them back to use a night also I sent in my 300L and upgraded to a new 500L with over 600+ lumens rob gave me a killer deal with both light on the high setting I should have over 800 lumens !

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    zeroman,

    You have nothing to worry about there. Read the reviews of the U5 in the Reviews section.

    My personal experience: I don't see these lights falling apart. The construction is very robust and the mounting system is well-designed and it works. I have had these lights out several times now, and they have not shifted position on me. I have been on some pretty heavy-duty rocks/drops/downhill-fear runs and the handlebar light stays put. There is a rubber piece on the bottom of the light body that contacts the handlebar. In practice, this works very well. Between the o-ring strap and the rubber piece, I do not have a shifting problem. On the other hand, it does make it very easy to change where I want the light pointing on the fly. On tight single track I point it much closer to the front tire. On more open fire road I point it farther away. It is easy to point and stays where I point it. he construction is such that I personally will never worry about them coming apart. 'Nuff said.

    In my use, the system is superior, I find the light output equivalent to much more expensive HID lights. The cost, maintenance and durability are far superior to HID lights, IMHO.

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    will I went out last night with my ultra5w upgraded holy cow ! damm it's bright ! then I turn on the upgraded 500L word of warning don't look at the light ! I cant't see (lol) it's really really bright . I also bought the taillight from dinotte this is the best tail light !!!! bar none

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    Count me jealous. If I had the scratch, I would own a 500L immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank418
    will I went out last night with my ultra5w upgraded holy cow ! damm it's bright ! then I turn on the upgraded 500L word of warning don't look at the light ! I cant't see (lol) it's really really bright . I also bought the taillight from dinotte this is the best tail light !!!! bar none

    Hey Frank418, Is that the 500L that came out a bit ago and is it already being upgraded? Also, do you mind telling us what kind of deal you got.

    Regarding the taillight, I'm looking for something that can be seen during the day in traffic. I use the reflector tape around my ankle which works good day or night however, I want to be even more cautious and was looking around for a taillight that can be seen during the day.

    Thanks

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    Bumble,

    I've not really read the review but the photos blew me away. Have you returned the DualCross Li-ion yet? If not I would like to see a comparison shot at 3 meters and 5 meters on the open road and/or trail (I prefer both tho road is more heavily favored as I ride on the road). I tend to prefer lighting at that range for more early detection as I often ride around ~25 - 35kph.

    I would also like to hear your experience with both lights jumping off curbs, potholes, and about 1 - 2 feet jumps/drops. Having seen the design of the Dinotte I have faith it it can take a hit/crash and keep on shining however I'm not so sure on the Cygolite DualCross and the Dinotte on how well they fair on previous mentioned situations and if they shift in position/fall from thier mounts. Last thing I want is the light to shift oput of place as I land.

    I am primarily a road rider on a MTB with semi-slicks (Conti TravelContacts 26 x 1.75) and mostly a paved path rider tho I do like the hardpacked trails from time to time when I change the tires to my IRC Methos 2.1". I am really divided right now on a DIY or purchase solution. A mate of mine is a DIY person and recently ordered Seoul SSC P4 star emitter LED's that put out 240lm @ 1000mA which with a regulator board and ghetto looking build I can have 480lm @ 2000mA which if it works out would give me ~1.5hr if I'm screaming on the pavement.

    Someone mentioned about what Dinotte uses for thier LED's. I'm thinking they're using the SSC P4's which are about $6.18 USD a piece and if I read the specs right they last about 50,000hrs (which I think is if you run them on low) seeing as thier specs say 200lm.

    Right now I'm still not sure which to go for as I'm still trying to compile personal data to make a final choice.

    Oh yes, if you're able to get some fog or rain shots I would love to see that. I'm very curious if the Cygolite or the Dinotte can cut through the puddles so you can see if that puddle is a pothole or flat road.


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    It cost me !!

    hey everyone this is what I bought for dinotte first I returned everything back to rob mounts,lights,o-rings,straps,batteries, etc. and this is what I rob sent me back 2 ( 4-cell batteries ) & 2 ( 2 cell batteries ) note the new batteries have a new hard plastic case on the top for the case is like a cutout so out can mount it under a tube. hears what rob sent to me extra 10- o-rings and a handlebar mount so now I have a 5w,500L and the taillight everything cost me a total of $260.00 !

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    I'm thinking in asking a buddy of mind to take some pictures at night for you guys and I will try to post them

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