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    Lights Shootout intro video

    I'm not sure this is useful but I shot this last night with my Canon G9. It might be a good way for me to talk about highlights among these lights.

    I might do another one about charging, mounting, etc.

    Note that the exposure is changing as I shine each video on the wall. So the darker I am, the brighter the light!!

    fc

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    Hi, francois I'm hallucinate with you

    Thanks for the video

    Greetings - Saludos

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    Now we can put a face and voice with your name. It's going to be much tougher to ever bash you for anything

    Good job with the explanations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    Now we can put a face and voice with your name. It's going to be much tougher to ever bash you for anything

    Good job with the explanations.
    Yes, it's a pity that I don't speak english...

    Greetings - Saludos

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    He basically said that France blows and Socialism rules and then threw in some tidbits about some light-related stuff. It was mostly a political tirade and you didn't miss much.

    Well, that's not true- I was just kidding.

    He basically went through each light and talked about the brightness (which you can see) and some of the features but you didn't miss too much and you already know most of it anyway. It was a basic rundown of the lights he is going to test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    Now we can put a face and voice with your name. It's going to be much tougher to ever bash you for anything
    He, he, he. On the Norcal board, we all ride together and drink beer. That's why we're a little nicer to each other on that forum.

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    Are you diggin that G9? I just got mine two days ago and am still just scratching the surface of capabilities/

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterZero
    Are you diggin that G9? I just got mine two days ago and am still just scratching the surface of capabilities/
    Oh man, you have no idea. This camera is soo good! Someone borrowed this G9 for a couple weeks and I had to use an Sony Alpha SLR and Canon G6. I was not happy!

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    francisco---your comparison Dinotte 600 and Exposure maxx

    great comparison vid
    since you have side by side comparison and have noted in forum about the 2 lights
    which to you prefer? you noted that the actual light of the Exposure Enduro Maxx is really not at 720 lumes.
    how compare to output of the 600l?

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by hideano
    great comparison vid
    since you have side by side comparison and have noted in forum about the 2 lights
    which to you prefer? you noted that the actual light of the Exposure Enduro Maxx is really not at 720 lumes.
    how compare to output of the 600l?

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    Senor hideano. The 600L is a bit brighter and has a wider beam pattern. both have great pattern with no hotspot. The Enduro max is lighter and is self-contained. Run time is a little longer on the Enduro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    He, he, he. On the Norcal board, we all ride together and drink beer. That's why we're a little nicer to each other on that forum.

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    Is the reason you don't invite me because I'm French? suce mes boulles baguette!

    nice little video Francis...

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    I am so jonesing for a ride. The pics are killing me but keep them coming

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    fc-
    looks like i will go with the dinotte because of the wider light pattern
    it comes with 2 battery packs (6 hrs or so combined on hi)
    it will be a companion to my Lupine Wilma 4 (upgraded)
    thanks for photo comparisons

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    I thought the Enduro Maxx would have a wider beam but it is dimmer and narrower than I has initially expected....somewhat dissapoiniting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Senor hideano. The 600L is a bit brighter and has a wider beam pattern. both have great pattern with no hotspot. The Enduro max is lighter and is self-contained. Run time is a little longer on the Enduro.

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    2) Dinotte 600L
    Ok, caveat on my Enduro Maxx photos. They are pre-production and they might be under-driven by the batteries/regulator.

    The run time at full power before step down should be 3 hours. I'm getting 5 hours 14 minute and 5 hours 20 minutes. Sooo, there is something awry according to Exposure.

    We will try to fix this situation and post more/better info.

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    That sounds reasobable. If the lights are being overdriven, they should be a bit brighter than the 600L and they are not. I'm surprised nobody properly tested the Enduro Maxx before sending it out. I hope the new unit is representative of what is normal. I bet James at ExposureUSA is kicking himself right now

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    francois, that was great !~!

    Thanks for taking the time to do this

    Can't wait for another installment.

    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    I'm not sure this is useful but I shot this last night with my Canon G9. It might be a good way for me to talk about highlights among these lights.

    I might do another one about charging, mounting, etc.

    Note that the exposure is changing as I shine each video on the wall. So the darker I am, the brighter the light!!

    fc

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    Great stuff, francois!


    (PS I'm finally home, 25 deg. C and happy )

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Ok, caveat on my Enduro Maxx photos. They are pre-production and they might be under-driven by the batteries/regulator.

    The run time at full power before step down should be 3 hours. I'm getting 5 hours 14 minute and 5 hours 20 minutes. Sooo, there is something awry according to Exposure.

    We will try to fix this situation and post more/better info.

    fc
    Really looking forward to another posting. I'm really really interested in the self contained Enduros, so any new info you have about what may have happened will be welcomed.

    I also thought the video was great. Easy to digest and informative. Thanks!

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    Oh yeah... The Dinotte 600 looked really nice. (maybe I don't need a self contained bar light. Do the batteries strap on nicely and securely?

    But what I want to know even more is: do you or could you compare the Dinotte 200 and Enduro Joystick headlights? Please???

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    Good job! regarding run down demo vid,

    hi.

    well done good work,

    great stuff,

    love the demo vid,

    better than still photo images, beam shot can you consider doing a outdoor demo vid,

    thanks,

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    Here you go. Exposure lights!!!

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    I should be able to do one of these for each light set... as long as I can get my kids to stop popping into the garage while I'm shooting these videos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Oh yeah... The Dinotte 600 looked really nice. (maybe I don't need a self contained bar light. Do the batteries strap on nicely and securely?

    But what I want to know even more is: do you or could you compare the Dinotte 200 and Enduro Joystick headlights? Please???
    Here:
    Both are best of breed so you really can't go wrong with either one. I'll compare the Joystick Maxx and the Dinotte 200L with small battery.

    Price: tie at $250.
    Brightness: Dinotte 200 - slight edge goes to the Dinotte as it is brighter
    Beam Pattern: tie since both have a great pattern with no hotspot.
    Weight: Joystick - 100 grams vs. 251 grams with mount
    Run time: Dinotte - 4:10 hours vs. 2:50 hours
    Mounting: Joystick - best helmet mount in the business. can get caught on low branches.
    Usability: Joystick - riding with only 100 grams on your head with no wires is a groundbreaking experience!
    Charge time: Dinotte - 2 hours vs. 8 hours
    Battery Replacement - Dinotte, cheap. Exposure, you have to send your lights back.
    Origin: hmmm - USA vs. UK.
    Customer service - Dinotte - has a longer track record and more mtbr reviews.
    Kewl factor - Joystick - the conversation starter...

    Photos:
    1)Dinotte 200L
    2)Exposure Joystick Maxx
    3)Exposure Enduro Maxx mounting system.

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    Cool thanks. Is there any way to set the video color temp on something constant? I don't like the way it changes color from blue to yellow sometimes. I think that is probably the only drawback to this new video format (since I can speak English).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Cool thanks. Is there any way to set the video color temp on something constant? I don't like the way it changes color from blue to yellow sometimes. I think that is probably the only drawback to this new video format (since I can speak English).
    Good obsevation. The video turns blue and yellow tint after those beam patterns. No, I'm only using a Canon G9 digital camera for the videos. It takes decent video but all the settings are auto-adjust. I'll look for that feature though on the next camcorder. Also, locking the exposure setting is needed.

    Edit... I see the white balance settings on the camera now, even in video mode. I will change it from auto to fluorescent on the next ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Good obsevation. The video turns blue and yellow tint after those beam patterns. No, I'm only using a Canon G9 digital camera for the videos. It takes decent video but all the settings are auto-adjust. I'll look for that feature though on the next camcorder. Also, locking the exposure setting is needed.

    Edit... I see the white balance settings on the camera now, even in video mode. I will change it from auto to fluorescent on the next ones.

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    Sweet! I hate that video breathing thing. You should be good to go next time!

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    Dinotte

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    Those Lupine lights are just crazy, but I guess unless you are an endurance racer there is no justification for that price on any of their lights. I'm mostly impressed by these Exposure lights, so small and contained, and BRIGHT!

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    Excellent francois! I didn't know a whole lot about some of these lights before watching your videos, but now I have a better understanding of them. The Exposure lights for example are nicer than what I imagined them to be. The videos you are making will be great for helping people decide on what light is good for them.

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    Good job! Great work on the videos!

    Hi Francois,

    Thanks for doing the videos; they're a veritable fount of information! When you do your final report Iím guessing that youíll include the still shots of the beam patterns. If you do please let us know the distance from the camera to each of the cones in the picture. Also, I really like the Enduro Joystick as a helmet mounted light but my Giro E2 helmet has a ridge in the center of helmet rather than a vent. Could I mount the Joystick in the side vent or would I need to replace the helmet?

    Thanks, again, for all the work youíve done to educate us on these lighting systems. Since Iím about to buy lights for both my wife and I the information is proving invaluable.


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    Great job with the review Francios! I'm really looking forward to the beam shots that you promised

    I've been looking at light very seriously in the last few week, and have narrowed it down to the Dinotte Dual 200L and the Ayup Regular system. I think that the Ayup is winning right now! I saw where your major complaint about the Ayup was the lack of an on/off switch. Well, check this out;

    http://www.ayup.com.au/techinfo.php

    Can you do a beam shot to compare the Dinotte Dual 200L & the Ayup? That would really help with the decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xray_ed
    Great job with the review Francios! I'm really looking forward to the beam shots that you promised

    I've been looking at light very seriously in the last few week, and have narrowed it down to the Dinotte Dual 200L and the Ayup Regular system. I think that the Ayup is winning right now! I saw where your major complaint about the Ayup was the lack of an on/off switch. Well, check this out;

    http://www.ayup.com.au/techinfo.php

    Can you do a beam shot to compare the Dinotte Dual 200L & the Ayup? That would really help with the decision.

    Ed
    Thank you for the info Ed. That is very timely for my shootout.

    My review project is massive now with over 20 pages of text, 10 videos and hundreds of photos. It's got data like lumens per gram and lumens per dollar, yadiya!

    I'm trying to hand it off today to my producer to format onto the web since I'm headed out for a snow vacation in the Sierras.

    Here's the beam pattern for the Dinotte 200L and the Ayup.

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    1) Ayup bar pointed on the third cone, Ayup helmet pointed at the tent

    2) Dinotte 200L on bar both pointed at the third cone
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    Another set of photos. The fence is 30 yards away.

    1) Ayup bar
    2) Ayup helmet
    3) Dinotte 200L Dual
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Another set of photos. The fence is 20 yards away.

    1) Ayup bar
    2) Ayup helmet
    3) Dinotte 200L Dual
    So they look pretty similar with the Dinotte maybe being just a touch brighter. The Dinotte also holds a slight advantage in run time (8 hours vs 6, but over 6 hours is really over kill). The Ayup has the edge in weight and look really cool. The price is basically the same.

    Oh, and with the new Ayup battery system the mA can be boosted from the normal 500 mA (claimed 6500 lux) to 800 mA (claimed 8000 lux), dropping the small battery from 3 hours to 1.5 hours. I assume that the 6 hour battery would run for 3 hours at the boosted setting. How much brighter will the 800 mA setting be?

    What do you think? How do they stack up?
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    One comment regarding run-time "overkill" is that a longer run-time is also important in preserving your battery life. Every battery has an approximate number of charge cycles, after which its useful life is over.

    Batteries can also be really expensive. So a battery with a longer run-time can go two or even three rides before having to be charged. That battery will last 2-3 times longer than a similar battery that is charged before each ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    One comment regarding run-time "overkill" is that a longer run-time is also important in preserving your battery life. Every battery has an approximate number of charge cycles, after which its useful life is over.

    Batteries can also be really expensive. So a battery with a longer run-time can go two or even three rides before having to be charged. That battery will last 2-3 times longer than a similar battery that is charged before each ride.
    I hadn't thought about that. Of course the Ayup batteries are listed as having a minimum life of 500 charging cyles. If I charged them twice a week, that's nearly 5 years worth of charges. I'm sure that the Dinottes are about the same.

    Just one more thing to make the decision harder!
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    Quote Originally Posted by xray_ed
    So they look pretty similar with the Dinotte maybe being just a touch brighter. The Dinotte also holds a slight advantage in run time (8 hours vs 6, but over 6 hours is really over kill). The Ayup has the edge in weight and look really cool. The price is basically the same.

    Oh, and with the new Ayup battery system the mA can be boosted from the normal 500 mA (claimed 6500 lux) to 800 mA (claimed 8000 lux), dropping the small battery from 3 hours to 1.5 hours. I assume that the 6 hour battery would run for 3 hours at the boosted setting. How much brighter will the 800 mA setting be?

    What do you think? How do they stack up?
    The Dinotte 200L dual has the edge in price, brightness, beam pattern, construction, features, electronics, flexibility.

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    Yes, they will last a long time. 500 charge cycles is very respectable. They will probably drop capacity before that but it is still very respectable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelsnead
    Hi Francois,

    Also, I really like the Enduro Joystick as a helmet mounted light but my Giro E2 helmet has a ridge in the center of helmet rather than a vent. Could I mount the Joystick in the side vent or would I need to replace the helmet?

    Thanks, again, for all the work youíve done to educate us on these lighting systems. Since Iím about to buy lights for both my wife and I the information is proving invaluable.


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    Hey Michael,
    I haven't seen your specific helmet question answered so here goes...
    You can mount a joystick off center if you don't have a center vent in your helmet. The beauty of the Joystick helmet mount is that it is very adjustable so you can aim it where ever you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Climber25
    Hey Michael,
    I haven't seen your specific helmet question answered so here goes...
    You can mount a joystick off center if you don't have a center vent in your helmet. The beauty of the Joystick helmet mount is that it is very adjustable so you can aim it where ever you want.

    Steve
    Hi Steve,

    Thanks for the answer to the question. If we do mount the light off center on the helmet will the weight of the light and mounting system be enough to cause the helmet to twist/move during hard riding? We will be doing some DH runs and Iím concerned about this issue. Thanks, again, for the education!

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    How about a tail light shoot out for commuters? I need a super bright flashing tail light for winter bike commuting (something with more light than the typical flashing/blinky lights from Planet Bike, Cateye or NR). The DiNotte 140R looks promising.
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    So far, I've had a chance to ride using my Exposure Enduro MaXx with a few other people using the following lights:

    Nite Rider Enduro HID
    Nite Rider Flight HID
    Cat Eye Triple Shot
    Nite Rider Trail Rat Select
    Old Performance/SuperGo 15w Halogen

    ...and originally I had a Nite Hawk Emitter AL-X. That light sucked by itself, but teamed up with my Enduro MaXx it should be awesome.

    My impression over all:

    The Exposure Enduro MaXx does put out more light than the Nite Rider Enduro and Flight HID lights. The spread is only slightly more narrow (hardly noticeable) than the HID's. The battery life of the Exposure Enduro MaXx with a full charge was much longer than the Nite Rider Enduro and the Flight. The lack of additional weight was amazing. It's simple. Simply simple.

    The Halogen lights I pinned up against mine didn't do much. My light would completely drown out the Halogens.

    Up against the Cat Eye Triple Shot: They are comparable, but again, the Enduro MaXx has no cables, no wires, no external switches, and no external battery. The spread of the Cat Eye Triple Shot was slightly better than the Enduro MaXx, but I'm not too sure at what angle the outer LEDs are positioned on that model. A different angle of the LED's on the Triple Shot could cause a better spread.

    All I know is that I'm SUPER happy with my Enduro MaXx, and wouldn't trade it for anything of equal or even slightly higher price (except for a Lupine, but we won't go there).

    Great light, great battery life, great battery gauge, great for you weight weenies. And the 9 hour over night charge thing has never bothered me. I never forgot to charge my light the day before a ride.

    Hope this little review helps too.
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    Francois, thanks a ton for providing this info. I did not realize that the Dinottes were that nice. The Exposures look great too. There is a lot of great new technology out there using the LED's. Thanks for taking the time to do this. I am looking forward to the full report.

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    fran: Did you use the wide lens or standard lens on the Dinotte 600L ?

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