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    Lights shootout comments

    Please check it for accuracy and typos. I'd like to announce the shootout today. I'm planning to publish a couple light articles a day starting tomorrow as the page formatting progresses.

    http://reviews.mtbr.com/blog/lights-...-introduction/

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    Great start, francois. However, you are such a tease..

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    Suggested changes to one paragraph of the article:

    "With the combination of LEDs, lithium batteries, better electronics and chargers, this new crop of lights promises to deliver a much better and safer night riding experience."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    Great start, francois. However, you are such a tease..
    Yeah... I have dual, side by side beam pattern rollovers even. Super geeky!

    I'll send you a secret link to the beam pattern shots since you are one of the premier contributors here and I could use the feedback.

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    It would be a pleasure to help, francois. You have transcended basic beamshots- that's very impressive.

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    Looks really interesting - I am clicking on everything in there to find comparisons on a Jet 20W VS Niterider HID VS Lupine Betty........

    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Please check it for accuracy and typos. I'd like to announce the shootout today. I'm planning to publish a couple light articles a day starting tomorrow as the page formatting progresses.

    http://reviews.mtbr.com/blog/lights-...-introduction/

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    Looking good. I won't check for typos, because that would be asking a fish to walk on land. But the info is good - I don't necessarily agree with everything, but there's nothing I would object to (and if we all thought the same, then we should have had world peace by now). Great work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    Great start, francois. However, you are such a tease..
    Hi Flyer,

    I agree about the tease part! That said, it's all great information and I'm anxious to see more of it.

    Thanks,

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    Love it, Very interesting reading and I'm glad DIY lights will be encluded.
    One small thing though, leds are chips and not bulbs.

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    we're very, very excited about this test. Thanks a ton!

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    It's looking really good with clean page-layout and very effective writing. I'll check back each day for new reviews.

    By the way, a LED used in bike lights is contained within a bulb. There is a chip (Light Emitting Diode) contained within the bulb. So the use of the word "lamp" or "bulb" is still accurate though the LED itself is not a bulb. It is a diode that emits light when "powered up" in a circuit.

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    I'm eager to read more reviews. Can you please put the "Light Price Claimed Lumens" data in a table so it is more readable?

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    Knog is up. Flyer... proofread pls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SquidBuzz
    No Princeton Tech Lights to be compared?
    These are coming. 2 models arriving today...

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    Suggestions:

    In the first paragraph, instead of simply saying, "a nice lighthead.", I think you should be more specific, saying something like "It features a nicely styled, single lighthead with three LEDs."

    Second paragraph -- instead of, "Each of the three LEDs come with their own switch that operates independently.", it should read, "Each of the three LEDs comes with its own switch that operates independently."

    Maybe you could be more descriptive of the materials too. Is that an anodized aluminum front bezel? Is the back molded of solid plastic with a rubbery feel? That integrated rubbery band can be a plus and a minus.

    In the Bottom Line section -- instead of, "Thereís a lot of light levels and the flash mode works well for commuters. But on the trail, itís not quite bright enough and some usability issues hold it back. The amount of light the rider gets for the money is not very high. Also, some of the design issues like the switch hold back its trail usability.", try the following, "There are lots of light levels and the flash mode works well for commuters. But on the trail, itís not quite bright enough and some usability issues hold it back. The amount of light the rider gets for the money is not very high. Also some of the design issues, like the switches, limit its trail usability."

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    Quote Originally Posted by striegel
    Suggestions:

    In the first paragraph, instead of simply saying, "a nice lighthead.", I think you should be more specific, saying something like "It features a nicely styled, single lighthead with three LEDs."

    Second paragraph -- instead of, "Each of the three LEDs come with their own switch that operates independently.", it should read, "Each of the three LEDs comes with its own switch that operates independently."

    Maybe you could be more descriptive of the materials too. Is that an anodized aluminum front bezel? Is the back molded of solid plastic with a rubbery feel? That integrated rubbery band can be a plus and a minus.

    In the Bottom Line section -- instead of, "Thereís a lot of light levels and the flash mode works well for commuters. But on the trail, itís not quite bright enough and some usability issues hold it back. The amount of light the rider gets for the money is not very high. Also, some of the design issues like the switch hold back its trail usability.", try the following, "There are lots of light levels and the flash mode works well for commuters. But on the trail, itís not quite bright enough and some usability issues hold it back. The amount of light the rider gets for the money is not very high. Also some of the design issues, like the switches, limit its trail usability."
    Beauty. I will incorporate these changes.

    I'll also add in my light meter readings. At first, I thought they're not relevant until the full set is presented but I can sa it was nth out 25. And state what was right in front of it and behind it in terms of brightness.

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    Prefer responses via PM, email, or this thread? I emailed you already.

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    All I can say is ....hurry! I'm waiting to see the results before pulling the trigger on new lights!

    The bike light manufacturing industry had better take notice of this shootout and use it as a way to improve their products. If they don't, they my be left in the dark!
    The standing eight count & three knockdown rules are in effect on this trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    Prefer responses via PM, email, or this thread? I emailed you already.
    Please PM it to me or post it here. My email is broke! Big norcal storm.

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    Correction to latest edit:

    "...into the light headThe first two LEDs..." needs a period and space after head.

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    You should put them each on their own page, or you should at least provide links with anchors in the page. Otherwise it will take a lot of scrolling to get where you want to be.

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    Also, I'm not sure I undestand this part in the Ayup review:

    "Light Output Measurements:

    The narrow helmet mount measured a 16 and the wider bar light measured a 17. The closest competitors are the Knog 605 at 16 and the Exposure Race Maxx at 24."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    You should put them each on their own page, or you should at least provide links with anchors in the page. Otherwise it will take a lot of scrolling to get where you want to be.
    done! good suggestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Also, I'm not sure I undestand this part in the Ayup review:

    "Light Output Measurements:

    The narrow helmet mount measured a 16 and the wider bar light measured a 17. The closest competitors are the Knog 605 at 16 and the Exposure Race Maxx at 24."
    That's 16 Lux. I have a page dedicated just for the light meter test but it's not ready yet. Here's a sneak peak.

    The light is pointed at the ceiling and the meter is beside it, pointed up as well.

    <img src="http://reviews.mtbr.com/files/2008/01/img_2724.jpg">

    Here's the preliminary results. The Jet Halogen is a huge surprise.

    <table x:str="" style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 329pt;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="438"><col style="width: 144pt;" width="192"> <col style="width: 48pt;" width="64"> <col style="width: 60pt;" width="80"> <col style="width: 77pt;" width="102"> <tbody><tr style="height: 72pt;" height="96"> <td class="xl26" style="height: 72pt; width: 144pt;" height="96" width="192">Light</td> <td class="xl26" style="width: 48pt;" width="64">Price</td> <td class="xl26" style="width: 60pt;" width="80">Claimed Lumens</td> <td class="xl26" style="width: 77pt;" width="102">Ambient Lux</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Light and Motion Vega</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="175" align="right">$175</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">75</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">5</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Cateye Tripleshot</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="330" align="right">$330</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">130</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">11</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Light and Motion Stella 180L</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="300" align="right">$300</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">180</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">12</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Niterider Minewt.X2</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="190" align="right">$190</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">150</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">12</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Exposure Joystick Maxx</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="250" align="right">$250</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">240</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">14</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Levin Brightstar</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="270" align="right">$270</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">500</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">15</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Ayup helmet</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="190" align="right">$190</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">280</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">16</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" x:str="Dinotte 200L " height="19">Dinotte 200L </td> <td class="xl27" x:num="249" align="right">$249</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">200</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">16</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Knog 605</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="399" align="right">$399</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">300</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">16</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Ayup bar (regular kit)</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="190" align="right">$190</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">280</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">17</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Exposure Race Maxx</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="350" align="right">$350</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">480</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">24</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">BR Lights C2.1H</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="330" align="right">$330</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">410</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">28</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">BR Lights Jeni H</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="299" align="right">$299</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">410</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">28</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Exposure Enduro Maxx</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="450" align="right">$450</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">720</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">30</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Jet Lites Shadow 2600 HID</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="500" align="right">$500</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">675</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">30</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Dinotte 200L Dual</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="349" align="right">$349</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">400</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">32</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Dinotte 600-LI-4C</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="399" align="right">$399</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">600</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">33</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Light On Expedition 1000</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="800" align="right">$800</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">500</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">33</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Niterider Trinewt</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="500" align="right">$500</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">500</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">33</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Jet Lites Phantom Halogen</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="295" align="right">$295</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">675</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">44</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 14.25pt;" height="19">Lupine Betty 12</td> <td class="xl27" x:num="1185" align="right">$1,185</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">1400</td> <td class="xl25" x:num="" align="right">65</td> </tr> </tbody></table>
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