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    ... and if we just ... Insane Quad MCE bike light









    Coming along soon

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    Tease!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkrobe
    Tease!

    Be along soon

    just waiting for some pics to upload

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    Just when we thought we had the ultimate light!

    Damn you Troutie

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    click on the photobucket link. Also seen on CPF this orning. Looks good!

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    Insanely big post

    I know you are all fed up with Troutie and his lights And I was not going to post this one at all
    and it was because of a post on CPF which I replied to which let the cat out.

    This has been ongoing for a while now waiting for a hipflex and got put aside while the XPE lights were done , and Deestas sort of developed .

    The Hipflex will be available very soon so it was time to get it ready to recieve it.

    The housing was turned from a 38 mm solid bar for the fins and then the cavity milled out
    I am really supprised that my mill has kept going after all the abuse it has had.




    Then I glued 4 of the CMC holders together with some plastic epoxy these were then used to get the spacing correct for the 4 MCE M bin
    Each MCE was to be wired paralel and then the 4 mce in series.

    I milled 2 grooves to isolate the mce contacts and for the wires to run in



    Then it was mix some AA epoxy and apply to the back of the MCEs and fit them into the housing
    The holders did not press on the MCEs so I had to replace the optics to get some pressure on the leds while the AA set.



    Then a quick test on my Nflex test rig it all lit up great .

    and this is the Hipflex house all ready , they are a bit large 35.6 mm dia
    I have left this oversize and will trim it down whae I see how much space it requires
    I am going to have a remote switch so no space needed just cable entries .




    Next we come to the bar mounts this is using the bars as heat sink too so they were milled to slot in to the fins for a good contact and will be bolted and AA to get good transfer.








    It is just waiting for a Hipflex from George and it will be up and running
    It does seem to be pretty bright running off the Nflex @ 1000ma
    so each led is seeing 250 ma
    and the VF of the lot was 11.67v

    How many lumens for 16 emmitters @ 250ma

    I will be tempted to get a beam shot even @ 250 ma

    Oh The optics Have been chosen because they were the only ones I had left.
    and are
    1 CMC-RS
    and 3 CMC- SS

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    That is "effin' rad"! I can't wait the beamshots!

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutie-mtb
    How many lumens for 16 emmitters @ 250ma
    4 Cree MC-E M bin, so min. 430lm * 0,76 (@250ma) * 4 = 1307 lumens min

    Easily beat Lupine Betty, which have only 910 real lumens. Not 1500 as they claim.

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    Very nice write up and pictures.
    Alot more info than the CPF post I saw a few hours ago.
    I had been following the CPF thread for a bit and still have the same question.
    Will lithium ions be able to provide the amp draw at higher light output levels?
    It seems the lithium polymers handle higher draws much better.
    Any estimate of what the amperage draw will be at full power?
    Inquiring minds need to know.

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    That looks phenomenal. Well done!
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    You wont believe the beam shot

    I had to do it , a quick visit to the woods .

    I only have the Nflex and 18 v drill battery I could use .

    Now that is the WOW factor I was expecting 6 months ago that never happened.

    and this is @ 250 ma per led ( thanks czarny_kruk for the maths )



    Prepare your selves ,



    If you have followed my beamshots then You will know the trees on the right middle distance are 75 Mtres away

    the trees in the far distance are over 150 mtres away and dont show on many beam shots

    untill now


    I was expecting as some one commented on CPF a huge wall of light with no throw .



































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    wow. sweet! This was probably asked before...but how do you get the inside corners to be right angles using mill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cytoe
    wow. sweet! This was probably asked before...but how do you get the inside corners to be right angles using mill?

    Cheers Cytoe , this might sound daft but I chopped them out using a small wood chisel
    with the Ledils you only need to square off the top 3 mm

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    holy crap. that is truly amazing. I can't wait to see full amperage!
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    I think it looks quite cool stood up



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    So your 4 up @ 250 mA has better "useable" light than the triple @ 500mA

    Do you think this is because the triple was so damn bright over such a wide area that the reflected light coming back from trail side objects played tricks on the eyes and blinded you to the distant objects?

    Do you think these things work better, for our application at least, the lower the input current?

    Go on mate, take the triple back out and do the same test at 250mA to see if it changes the "visible" throw you can see

    Oh yeah and as I said yesterday, really nice work

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkrobe
    Tease!
    Hype!

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    bloody hell Chris thats awesome... kinda makes me depressed looking at my sorry set up now

    cant wait for pics once its fully up to power

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    Quote Originally Posted by odtexas
    Very nice write up and pictures.
    Alot more info than the CPF post I saw a few hours ago.
    I had been following the CPF thread for a bit and still have the same question.
    Will lithium ions be able to provide the amp draw at higher light output levels?
    It seems the lithium polymers handle higher draws much better.
    Any estimate of what the amperage draw will be at full power?
    Inquiring minds need to know.

    Thanks for the comments

    I dont know about the power draw but the makita drill batterys are designed for abuse
    fast discharge and charge . and I doubt it will see the full 2800ma much
    only to to upset the betty owners .

    at full power it will be drawing a tad above 2800ma

    and am I right in thinking 3200 lumens ish

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    really impressed w/ the clamp. was that the hardest part?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cytoe
    really impressed w/ the clamp. was that the hardest part?

    Cheers
    Yes probably took the most time
    I should have made them as 1 large one and then split into 2
    but I made each seperate so double the tool changes and each process

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26
    So your 4 up @ 250 mA has better "useable" light than the triple @ 500mA

    Do you think this is because the triple was so damn bright over such a wide area that the reflected light coming back from trail side objects played tricks on the eyes and blinded you to the distant objects?

    Do you think these things work better, for our application at least, the lower the input current?

    Go on mate, take the triple back out and do the same test at 250mA to see if it changes the "visible" throw you can see

    Oh yeah and as I said yesterday, really nice work




    Thanks Stu for the thumbs up yesterday and about posting it

    If I can workout which maxflex setting is the same per die I will give it a go

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    wow that looks sweet,hows the samples of the 3 led getting on?

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    The amount of illumination in those back trees is very impressive. I don't think you have had any light that has filled in the back section so well before.

    Seems we have the answer to your early question of which MCE optic is going to be the winner. It is such a shame that these weren't the first optics to come out for the MCE, we probably wouldn't have been quite so unimpressed with the MCE then.

    The brightness when run at 2.8 amps is going to be unholy!

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    very well done.

    wow you have done it again. insanely nice work.
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    Very nice bit of kit, get them upto @500-600Ma's if I was you, after then too much heat generated rather that light.

    Think twice as bright at 600ma's WOWSA's.

    Can you make me 1 too pretty pretty please

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    Great build Troutie - very impressive. That beam shot is about what I see with my dual 2x MC-E I ride with - but that is in two separate housings.

    I do suggest monitoring the temperature at the back of the leds when you throw 600 ma into it. That is nearly 36 watts of power and will need to be dumped to ambient quickly to prevent the leds from frying.

    Very nice build


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    Hi Yah Mr T yet another impressive light . I'm coming up in a couple of weeks time so we have to get out and do an evenings recce with them

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    Very impressive but I'd hate to be riding towards you. Do you have nyctophobia?

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    I think you can be pretty sure of having the brightest bikelight when you get the hipflex.
    That lamp body looks like a flashlight, really cool design. Haha, that would actually have been a fun mod. Cutting up the side on a flashlight and placing the emitters inside.
    Are those WG emitters? The trees looks so green and nice.

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    Damn! That's a lot of light. You have outdone yourself again. Thanks for all of your effort and sharing it with everyone.

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    Wow...yes that is insane! Very very nice! Thanks for all you postings. It's all very informative and entertaining as well I'm gonna have to try the CMC optics.

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    Thanks for all the nice comments there guys
    It has been much fun doing this one as it is for me even better.

    I was shaking with nerves at the prospect of soldering the pins correctly
    but it was really satisfying to watch the solder flow on to the pins . and not nearly as difficult as expected.


    il2mb
    I will do some testing with it on the bike and I have had great results with my ali clamps heatsinking to the bars and if needed could make some fatter ones .


    12.wheels
    Now I have googled it no I really like the dark


    Smudge

    Yes please do but be prepared for a slow ride as not got fit yet .

    gillestugan

    Yes they are WG ones
    I am not sure about having the brightest light
    I am just a serial tinkerer and like pushing the envelope just to see if it can be done.

    achesalot
    Cheers , we would all be interested in your findings if you do .

    I am wondering about something here .

    When I ordered some CMC ss from Bram
    he had been sent some which were for the XPE to cut a long story short
    he sent me the extra ones
    I did think when removed from there holders I could not see any difference
    and I have used these in this build.

    if you look inside the led recess there is a dome shaped lens
    in the mce ones there looks to be 4 sub lenses also these are also evident in the Xpe ones .

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    Ah, I see that you've unleashed the quad on the world Chris....

    Looks really good mate, can't wait to see the hipflex beamshots

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    Troutie,

    By heatsinking the MCE's through the bars so get a very nice hand warmer into the bargain!

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    I think it's absolutely useless What's the use in going for a night ride when it look slike day Damn that thing is bright as hell you better have a dimmer on it if you plan on hitting any road sections or riding on multi directional trails. Heck i'm sure my bro could use one of them on his rally car instead of normal rally spot/fogs and save a ton of weight. Any idea on cost of that setup?
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??

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    full power=flame thrower!

    Quote Originally Posted by riggsy
    bloody hell Chris thats awesome... kinda makes me depressed looking at my sorry set up now

    cant wait for pics once its fully up to power
    Hell, at full power that thing will cause trees and bushes to burst into flames! Gotta love Troutie pushing the limits on lights! Really love his XP-E light too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    I think it's absolutely useless What's the use in going for a night ride when it look slike day Damn that thing is bright as hell you better have a dimmer on it if you plan on hitting any road sections or riding on multi directional trails. Heck i'm sure my bro could use one of them on his rally car instead of normal rally spot/fogs and save a ton of weight. Any idea on cost of that setup?


    You could say the same about any car / motorbike that is able to do 100mph plus
    The HipFlex driver is the throttle peddle So I can dial in any power level I wish to use.
    Yes it is insane , but so am I .

    cost ??

    4 = MCE M bin WG from cutters £70
    4 cmc optics estimated £16
    1 Hipflex estimated £ 30
    1 switch £ 4
    cable & power socket £ 6
    ali for housing £ 6
    2 clamps for quick release £ 6
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    ---------------------------------------------- £ 138 or us$ 197.00 or Euro 156.77
    li ion battery and charger
    battery space just example
    as got them allready £ 119 $ 170
    ----------------------------------------------
    ------------------------------------------------ £ 257 $ 367
    pleasure of making and using = priceless

    3000 lumens max 11.67 lumens per £1






    nearest hi power light Lupine betty 14 £ 775 = $ 1108

    1500 lumens = 1.93 lumens per £1




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    nice idea but so much mass and area they stay cold
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    ahh nice! thats the same design as the build i'm still under taking
    Very nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutie-mtb
    pleasure of making and using = priceless
    How very spooky! I was planning a similar post to show the cost of my little light, but I was going to say "Heatsink by Troutie: priceless"

    I would also say that watching your projects is priceless, Long may you continue to innovate and provide much pleasure to your readers. Well done, Chris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkUG
    ahh nice! thats the same design as the build i'm still under taking
    Very nice!

    Thanks Skug
    get some piccys up we like pics


    Neil thanks also . but there may not be much out of the Trout pool
    as I have not worked for 3 weeks and no work on the horizon so no cash for projects.

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    Well this could be an opportunity to set shop and start your own business: Trout Lights.

    I used to hang around CPF (still do), but thanks mostly to you mister Troutie, I find myself coming to MTBR more and more often (even though you also post on CPF).
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    First of, fantastic light! This is probably the first light that you can get more than usable illumination with above 100lm/W efficiency. If I am not mistaken, when driven at about 100mA it should produce about 600lm with only 5W!

    What I would like to know is why does nobody use cooling fans when constructing high power led lights? The lights could be even more compact, possibly without any outside cooling fins (all the fins could be in an internal 'air tunnel'). While riding the bike I don't think the added noise would be noticeable and the additional current draw is completely insignificant when compared to the leds. It could even make the construction extremely cheep and simple as you could possibly use a low-cost square CPU cooler with very little modification (CPU coolers have to be able to dissipate over 60W which should be plenty for a few MC-E emitters).
    Anyway... would like to hear your thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsvilko
    First of, fantastic light! This is probably the first light that you can get more than usable illumination with above 100lm/W efficiency. If I am not mistaken, when driven at about 100mA it should produce about 600lm with only 5W!

    What I would like to know is why does nobody use cooling fans when constructing high power led lights? The lights could be even more compact, possibly without any outside cooling fins (all the fins could be in an internal 'air tunnel'). While riding the bike I don't think the added noise would be noticeable and the additional current draw is completely insignificant when compared to the leds. It could even make the construction extremely cheep and simple as you could possibly use a low-cost square CPU cooler with very little modification (CPU coolers have to be able to dissipate over 60W which should be plenty for a few MC-E emitters).
    Anyway... would like to hear your thoughts.



    Thank You Dsvilko

    My Thoughts on fan cooling yes it would work well but here in the UK we have to ride lots in the rain and for the fan cooling to work the light would need inlet and exhaust ports
    which would also let in the rain.

    I dont think a light like mine could get any simpler and I could see a way to put a fan in and have it nearly waterproof but it is adding complexity to a pretty minimalist design.

    It is a thought for a future project for my brother who is building a motorcycle Trike
    and wants some very bright led lights for it


    Though I am probably sailing very close to the limits with this one and I wont know that for a while untill I get a Hipflex and can push them a bit.

    I can get a probe right down close to the leds to about 2 mm from the dies and on my desk @ 250ma per die they slowly warm up the housing and stabilise at 33c and hold that temp I have not yet tried on the bike bars yet .or with a desk fan blowing.


    Calina , Thanks also for the kind words .
    and nice idea , who knows sell a few housings and it may take off .

    The major problem is the cheap P7 / MCE torches from china which has made the DIY seem a bit expensive .
    and the fact that GB plc is on its arse and the £ is worthless .

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutie-mtb
    Thanks also for the kind words .
    and nice idea , who knows sell a few housings and it may take off .

    The major problem is the cheap P7 / MCE torches from china which has made the DIY seem a bit expensive .
    and the fact that GB plc is on its arse and the £ is worthless .
    Not everybody wants one or those cheap chinese lights. As far as I know quite a few still buy expensive lights and your lights are much better than theirs anyway.

    Take the bad exchange rate as an opportunity. If the Pound is low, this makes your lights more attractive to foreign buyers. Anyway, you should price your lights (in usd) as if the Pound was still at a more favourable exchange rate and convert that price to your final price in Pounds. . It would be bad business practice to price them at such a rate that you would have to readjust their value every time there is a move in the exchange rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsvilko
    What I would like to know is why does nobody use cooling fans when constructing high power led lights?
    I have been thinking of this a lot lately, and started sketching on a design with a 40x40x10 mm 12V fan for a PC. I do think the noise would be annoying so I'm looking into how to control the fan speed based on temperature of the housing. The easy way is connecting the fan in parallel to the LEDs and let it run at the same voltage as the driver is feeding the MC-Es.This would increase fan speed as the leds are driven harder, but only slightly because of the nature of leds (small increase of Vf-> large increase of current).

    The best thing would be a circuit that turned on the fan, when the housing temperature reached a preset limit..Are there any electronic guru's out there?

    Geir

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    .... can`t wait till you get the Hipflex,.. 2.8A on strobe mode! now that makes me chuckle.

    .......... troutie quote "my brother who is building a motorcycle Trike"
    Hey troutie, does he live nearby? is he a member of your local club? Silsden sewer rats MCC...
    ................Rally pics
    they have a great "Get Ratted" rally every year up the road on Addingham moorside, i never miss it!
    and, re your video clips, i know you got the cam from www.rfconcepts.co.uk but what do you use as the recording device?

    .......... Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by HEY HEY ITS HENDO
    .... can`t wait till you get the Hipflex,.. 2.8A on strobe mode! now that makes me chuckle.

    .......... troutie quote "my brother who is building a motorcycle Trike"
    Hey troutie, does he live nearby? is he a member of your local club? Silsden sewer rats MCC...
    ................Rally pics
    they have a great "Get Ratted" rally every year up the road on Addingham moorside, i never miss it!
    and, re your video clips, i know you got the cam from www.rfconcepts.co.uk but what do you use as the recording device?

    .......... Cheers

    Whoa Hendo slow down.
    Yes My Bro usually goes to the sewer rats do ,
    I have rode up there to see him a few times on the mtb in lycra that was fun .
    trying to find him there . and I survived .
    he is called Haggis .
    and he never ever finishes a build this was his last one

    Gi us a shout next time

    ref the cam I use a sony handycam with the helmet cam needs analogue av input .

    which one is you on the pics .

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    this is for Emu beam shots of the quad and triple both at 250 ma per die
    also the third pic is my vans headlights on full .
    funny how the leds pick up the fog and the car lights dont.


    QUAD MCE M BIN WG @ 250 MA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------TRIPLE MCE K BIN @ 250 MA



    VW TRANSPORTER HEADLIGHTS ON MAIN BEAM .


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    Quote Originally Posted by troutie-mtb
    Thanks Skug
    get some piccys up we like pics
    I will be honest, I've only got as far as the drawings (this is when i first wrote my first message on this forum! - gee about a year ago! too many car projects at the moment! ) haven't got around to actually building anything yet! - I've got a lump of aluminium and most of the other bits to finish. (still waiting for batteries from DX)
    I was going to put my buckpuck/connectors/switches underneath the light in a small box which the bar clamp mounts on, but my design was about 3 times the size of yours! (over compensating for the heat!)

    I like the idea that the fins face the airflow, the circular design gives (in my opinion) the largest surface area facing the airflow and therefore should improve cooling (hey i'm no thermal engineer but it does look rather cool too!)

    Great job - only one problem... looks like i will have copied you when I finally get around to making it
    oh well - great minds n all that

    Keep up the great work, you're an inspiration to the rest of us

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkUG
    I will be honest, I've only got as far as the drawings (this is when i first wrote my first message on this forum! - gee about a year ago! too many car projects at the moment! ) haven't got around to actually building anything yet! - I've got a lump of aluminium and most of the other bits to finish. (still waiting for batteries from DX)
    I was going to put my buckpuck/connectors/switches underneath the light in a small box which the bar clamp mounts on, but my design was about 3 times the size of yours! (over compensating for the heat!)

    I like the idea that the fins face the airflow, the circular design gives (in my opinion) the largest surface area facing the airflow and therefore should improve cooling (hey i'm no thermal engineer but it does look rather cool too!)

    Great job - only one problem... looks like i will have copied you when I finally get around to making it
    oh well - great minds n all that

    Keep up the great work, you're an inspiration to the rest of us

    Cheers Skug

    Looking forward to seeing it built up soon then.



    Another one of Trouties time lapse piccy thingys
    I have accquired a bench power supply borrowed from a mate who wants to sell it
    And having got to grips with what to do . via a posting on here . thanks

    It was time to ramp up the amps with the quad mce on the bars and see if the Trout theory for heat disipation using the bars and ali clamps was going to work .

    First off but no pics I did ramp it up on my desk and it went from 12 c to 50 c in 2 minutes
    this is the internal temp approximately 3 mm from the dies
    This was a bit scary and doubt set in .


    No more Trout drivel just the pics





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    Nice work, as always, Trout!

    ~37W and under 50C in still air ... You have a winner!
    Taking the heat to the bars is the way to do it for the hi power apps I reckon.

    Thanks for all your contributions Trout, always fun to read the MTBR light forums!

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    If it's stoped at 50c then that should be fine, I'd back it off abit personally to be sure, alot of works gone into it.

    What kinda battery pack are you using, 37watts is seriously going to draw some power.

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    ... and if we just ...

    Damn you all!!! Two months ago I was in search of a bike light and stumbled upon Achesalot's Triple Cree. I've spent countless nights reading your threads trying to gleam every possible tip and photo I could. I destroyed two buckpucks, several lenses, fried my retinas and lost most of skin off of my knuckles. $200+ later and I finally finished it, only to realize that Troutie has rendered my new light as useless as my old 15 watt Nightrider.... I either have to get a second job and forego my kids' college or give up night-riding and adventure racing. How can I keep up with this Lumen Cold War???

    Awe, what the hell, it's only money.

    Great light Troutie. Any chance of getting that design in Auto Cad, so I can get one of my Aviation Contractors to built me one as a favor?

    SA

    BTW, my MCE and XRE came today. I will start my second light this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevelKnivel
    Nice work, as always, Trout!

    ~37W and under 50C in still air ... You have a winner!
    Taking the heat to the bars is the way to do it for the hi power apps I reckon.

    Thanks for all your contributions Trout, always fun to read the MTBR light forums!

    Cheers Steve
    I was pretty happy with the result .

    Turveyd

    I doubt it will ever see full power very often unless I need to warm my hands

    All my batteries are 14.8 li ion 4400mah and my 18 v li ion 3000mah drill batteries .



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    Thanks . You will have a great light with aches triple .

    Laughing at the auto cad bit . You would need the Vulcan mind transfer .
    these designs come out of my head and into the metal and evolve dynamically as metal is being removed. I have zero cad and drawing skills

    best I could do would be photo`s with dimensions add .

    for adventure racing you would be better off with the 6 XPE helmet light
    and less batteries

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    ... and if we just ...

    That XPE is tiny! Very light too. I will add that to my growing list. I guess I need to look at milling machines now. I wonder how many pints of blood I would have to sell..... Between Kayaks, bikes, surfboards and other gear, I guess I can always sneak in another light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Adventurer
    That XPE is tiny! Very light too. I will add that to my growing list. I guess I need to look at milling machines now. I wonder how many pints of blood I would have to sell..... Between Kayaks, bikes, surfboards and other gear, I guess I can always sneak in another light.

    Ha Ha boys and their toys

    forget the milling machine just buy one of the cnc housings available soon.



    on to this crazy light I am amazed by how good it is at very low current
    now I have a new toy in the shop .
    sadly there is no mains power in the woods so these shots have to be from my garage
    and with some light pollution .

    mtbr settings again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Adventurer
    I guess I need to look at milling machines now.
    That thought is also on my mind, but then I think about what the lamps would look like if I made them on the machine. I'm quite certain I would not be able to make lamps with that good finish. I know trouti in fact is a CNC machine disguised a a human. His mind just self program and out comes a new lamp.
    Quote Originally Posted by troutie-mtb
    these designs come out of my head and into the metal
    Not really fair play.

    Regarding the fog: It's probably a combination of high beam and cold white. Would have been interesting to see how a warm white led would perform in comparison with the cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutie-mtb

    You could say the same about any car / motorbike that is able to do 100mph plus
    The HipFlex driver is the throttle peddle So I can dial in any power level I wish to use.
    Yes it is insane , but so am I .

    cost ??

    4 = MCE M bin WG from cutters £70
    4 cmc optics estimated £16
    1 Hipflex estimated £ 30
    1 switch £ 4
    cable & power socket £ 6
    ali for housing £ 6
    2 clamps for quick release £ 6
    ====
    ---------------------------------------------- £ 138 or us$ 197.00
    li ion battery and charger
    battery space just example
    as got them allready £ 119 $ 170
    ----------------------------------------------
    ------------------------------------------------ £ 257 $ 367
    pleasure of making and using = priceless

    3000 lumens max 11.67 lumens per £1






    nearest hi power light Lupine betty 14 £ 775 = $ 1108

    1500 lumens = 1.93 lumens per £1




    peteoheat
    nice idea but so much mass and area they stay cold
    Hi, missing the prices in €uros

    Super nice job!!!!!!!!

    Greetings - Saludos

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    The Beast!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by msxtr
    Hi, missing the prices in €uros
    use Google

    http://www.google.pl/search?q=257gbp+in+eur

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    whoo whoo its on its way

    As you all know I dont do waiting very well

    But I dont need to it is on its way along side some of its Bro`s


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    Troutie,Cloggy and the other 1000lu plus boys better watch out!
    You have found the holy grail of bike lights and are making Lupine,cateye etc etc look bloody stupid and rather overpriced!
    They will be having a wipround in a minute for a hitman!
    Look what happend to Keanu Reeves in that film chain reaction!
    Cant make the big boys look bad and get away with it.
    Tommo.

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    They have been round my gaff and I had to tell that you were getting some Boom s
    through your mail box tomorrow.

    They gave up on me after there bullets turned away from the blinding lights

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    LOL cheers mate!
    Can they wait til i fit the Boom to me torch it might just cause them to flinch enough
    so i can get away!
    Tommo.

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    Troutie, very nice light! Quick question in case I missed it (sorry if so)... what are you using to power your setup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by milkyspit
    Troutie, very nice light! Quick question in case I missed it (sorry if so)... what are you using to power your setup?

    Thanks Milkyspit and welcome to the forum

    No problems when the hipflex drops through the box
    I have a couple of options at the moment a 14.4 li ion 4.8ah
    or my Makita 18v li ion drill packs with the sandewiche shop adaptor .
    it just fits in the bottle holder on the bike .

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    Hip Hip Hooray Flex

    Mr Postman has just dropped this through the door



    so the insane mega death ray will live soon

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    Well... lets see some beamshots already. JK
    I have a couple of the new makita 18v 3.0a batterys. How are you using them? are you taking the packs out of the casing or using them as is? They seem a little bulky as is
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    Quote Originally Posted by troutie-mtb
    or my Makita 18v li ion drill packs with the sandewiche shop adaptor .
    it just fits in the bottle holder on the bike .
    Here`s a link to the battery adapter Makita dock
    now you have the option of using the battery for your lights or your drill
    of course if you only have the batteries, chop em up and make a neat battery pack

    Hip Hip Hooray Flex WOW thats a beast!
    ...Scun.thorpe, UK

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    We are ready to go when it gets dark for a test out in the wild





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    Wow, just wow.!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutie-mtb
    We are ready to go when it gets dark for a test out in the wild

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    Oh goody, oh goody, oh goody (salty is rather excited)

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    BEAMSHOTS!!!!!!!

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    He could have just wandered out there at noon and taken some shots. Bet the quad light and full noon sun looks exactly the same.

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    ... and if we just ...

    Troutie, NASA called, they are looking for a new landing light for the Space Shuttle.... This latest creation should be able to illuminate most of the western hemisphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktronik
    BEAMSHOTS!!!!!!!
    I now need to join the local clubs night rides if only to wee in the shoes of the Betty owners ,

    This little baby has serious lumen power but I think it also has a real quality of illumination
    at the lower power settings , I can see I am going to enjoy this one along side the XPE helmet light.

    The pics are 6 secs f4 as normal
    the Hipflex is set at 2800ma and multi mode so the 5 levels can be seen

    My van is 200 metres away







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    Looking awesome Mr T!! I can't keep up with all these photo's of yours for the website. You need to slow down for a day or two to let me catch up

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    I think anybody that ride in front of you is going to be cook if they are to close. Some sweet light. How much runtime do you get?

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    ......................Troutie, these beamshots are freakin awesome, truly insane!
    i`ve been laughing like hell for a good 5 minutes!
    well done mate
    .



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    That is just sick! Being able to light up 2 football fields is a tremendous amount of light. Keep up the good work!

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    Cheers Guys . It is truly an awesome bike light And I wonder if it may be at this moment
    in time be the worlds brightest bike light .

    What is the theretical lumen count must be close to 3000 ?


    I wonder what would be possible using 16 XPE , similar lumen count, similar footprint but you could really taylor a beam with all those combinations to go at .

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    So that's what that glow in the eastern sky was last night around midnight here!

    You are a sick man, Mr. Trout....and I mean that in the best way

    So...what's next?

    JZ
    It's not about speed, it's about lack of control.

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    HipFlex,.... 1000mA, 1400mA, 2000mA, 2400mA or 2800mA
    mmm, troutie, look at post #11 when you had the nFlex hooked up at 1000ma
    (this would equal the MaxFlex lowest setting)
    in comparison to the latest shots, they should match,
    Last edited by HEY HEY ITS HENDO; 02-14-2009 at 10:23 AM.
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    No HHHendo

    It is Hipflex on 2800ma setting and the 5 levels of the multi mode

    but I will only be using duo mode as I dont like multi mode

    Which I am not sure what the Ma is for each but 5 = 700 per led
    and 1 = 50ma per led if I remember correctly

    I think the current halves with each level and the hi is max for that table and min is 50ma

    2800 - 1400 - 700- 350 - 50


    My Camera battery was going flat so that seemed the easiest way .
    Last edited by troutie-mtb; 02-14-2009 at 07:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimZinVT
    So that's what that glow in the eastern sky was last night around midnight here!

    You are a sick man, Mr. Trout....and I mean that in the best way

    So...what's next?

    JZ



    Whats next ? ?

    going small is next and I have an idea but no budget for doing it but it does revisit a previous idea .

    and also an idea for a bar light similar to the XPE helmet light but better for the bars


    but they are only ideas at the moment.

    The main priority now is to get the XPE housings done by Deesta and posted out
    and the builds done .

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    Well done Trout, not only is it probably the brightest bike light but it also has a really good beam.

    But are you already thinking of another ?

    I wonder what would be possible using 16 XPE , similar lumen count, similar footprint but you could really taylor a beam with all those combinations to go at .
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    I must be slipping I just realised I should have taken the triple MCE I put in Deestas housing with me for a 7mce shot also

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    The squirrels in the tree tops will no longer be able to sleep with that monster around. Nice.!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutie-mtb
    The main priority now is to get the XPE housings done by Deesta and posted out and the builds done .
    Saw them posted up on cutters site. Do they have a few in stock? or they all in work?

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    Christ-on-a-bike! I've always put clear lenses in my riding glasses at night - think I'll need the full-on summer ones to go out with that sucker!

    Respect!
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    Amazing light from that light! 7MC-E would be borderline insane on a bike. Seems there will never be "enough" light for Troutie (I know the feeling, but to a much lesser degree)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuffyPuffy
    Amazing light from that light! 7MC-E would be borderline insane on a bike. Seems there will never be "enough" light for Troutie (I know the feeling, but to a much lesser degree)
    You are correct it would be fun to do the 7 mce shots but to run them on the bike not good

    I am more than happy with my set up now

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutie-mtb
    You are correct it would be fun to do the 7 mce shots but to run them on the bike not good
    7 is only boarderline insane, I would still like to see it

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    Here it is after the second attempt at shooting some video The first was a complete failure
    due to crappy DC power connector .


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    It is a bit wobbly but does give a fair example of what it is like on the bike
    Shame the first attempt failed as it would have shown me flying off into the bushes
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    Nice footage, suprised you would come off no excuse about not seeing anything at least...

    Would of been interesting to see the reaction of a car had come the other way on the last bit. High on the road could be seriously dangerous.

    The comparison between the flood of the mce and the spot of the xpe realy shows up a lot. Do you think the filming is exagerating this or is it matching how you see it yourself.

    Ifor

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifor
    Nice footage, suprised you would come off no excuse about not seeing anything at least...

    Would of been interesting to see the reaction of a car had come the other way on the last bit. High on the road could be seriously dangerous.

    The comparison between the flood of the mce and the spot of the xpe realy shows up a lot. Do you think the filming is exagerating this or is it matching how you see it yourself.

    Ifor

    Pilot error for the off

    I allways use the helmet light on road then I have the option of pointing it away to the side
    or as a weapon for when they dont dip .

    I would say the filming is understating the outputs and in real time it is brighter
    not like the still shots which are exagerating a tad .

    Shame you have the bits for your quad mce . I would really have liked to compare an xpe 16 , someone will do it one day with the R3

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    Very good troutie (whole of West Yorks lit up) have you still any of Deesta's housings left?

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