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    Besides Amoeba, who else is selling DIYs?

    Besides Amoeba, who else is selling DIYs?

    (in this case DIY is a misnomer, but you get what I mean)

    Thanks.


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    Since you asked

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    Quote Originally Posted by zen bicycle
    Since you asked
    Wow, those look fantastic! Nice job

    To be honest I have a MS on the way since it never occurred to me, prior to purchasing, that some of the DIY folks might be selling their wares.

    When I'm back in the market I won't hesitate to check those out.


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    Thinking about selling some of mine, but they don’t look very nice… but the “ghettosthetics” ensures no one will want to steal them off your bike.
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    Possibly may decide to market the Trinity xG and Trinity xE.

    I'll keep ya posted.

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    Troutie-mtb...

    If you've spent any time in the DIY forum you've seen his handy work.
    http://www.troutie.com/index.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmitchell13
    Troutie-mtb...

    If you've spent any time in the DIY forum you've seen his handy work.
    http://www.troutie.com/index.php
    Wow I'm really liking those Troutie lights a lot I have been looking at the Troutie lights for the past day. I will be buying a few of those lights tomorrow. The design of the lights and the clamp design are nice.

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    The triple XPG or E K-light is another alternative. This builder ( Kerry )hails from down under. I bought one last year. Nice light for the bars.

    Link > http://cncdelite.com/

    There is also some nice lights made by Daniel at HIDtech. Once again from down under. I have the HIDtech Lumen8R quad XRE R-2 light that I use helmet mounted. A very nice light.

    His link> http://www.hidtechnologies.com.au/index.php

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    What about LEDgend Lights........
    LEDgend lights ready.........almost

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    The best DIY deal on the planet is from cutter, and its trout's 7up kit...(you gota build it)

    looks like killer killer deal's happening right now!

    geta 7up ya!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktronik
    The best DIY deal on the planet is from cutter, and its trout's 7up kit...(you gota build it)

    looks like killer killer deal's happening right now!

    geta 7up ya!!!

    K
    I gotta say I was tempted when I saw that email tonight.

    Clearing the decks for the XM?

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    I'm on the same boat, liking for a "Already Made" light system since I'm clueless about electronics but I rather support a forum member than a big old company.

    Please keep the links coming

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    I'd say look in to Trout's Liberator...that's probably the one I'd be ballin'.

    That or Amoeba dual XP-G with Regina reflectors.
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    What is the email you guys received about a Trout 7-up package from Cutter? Anyway to get in on this deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    There is also some nice lights made by Daniel at HIDtech. Once again from down under. I have the HIDtech Lumen8R quad XRE R-2 light that I use helmet mounted. A very nice light.

    His link> http://www.hidtechnologies.com.au/index.php
    Pigmy's are on sale at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fujio001
    What is the email you guys received about a Trout 7-up package from Cutter? Anyway to get in on this deal?

    It was back in April. The 7-up kit was heavily discounted.

    Like most companies you can sign up for periodical emails from them, or maybe it happens automagically when you buy stuff, I can't remember.

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    Okay...why the crap do people think they can get off selling crap like that?

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    (a 12V input car charger and separate 240V adapter is available upon request)
    12 Month Warranty.
    30 Day Money Back Satisfaction Guarantee (less postage costs)

    Custom configurations available.
    Just tell me your requirements.

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    I mean crap man!!! $345?!!

    Troutie could be a multi millionaire at that rate...the 7up would be like $1500 ea.
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    Not sure what you are trying to say here but that is a fair price for what you get IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by chelboed
    I mean crap man!!! $345?!!

    Troutie could be a multi millionaire at that rate...the 7up would be like $1500 ea.
    How so, a 7 up board is only $25 more than a quad or triple and optics only about $7 more.

    Troutie's 7 up kit from cutter is $300aud but you still need a protected battery, charger and mount for battery

    A basic triple or quad housing ready made with mounts but without electronics is $176

    Really anything around $350aud is a reasonable price, but thats why people some of us diy to save money, but when you add up your time and consumables you will be amazed just how much a diy light actually costs. In reality if I could afford a ready made light I would but it's too much fun making my own.
    Last edited by brad72; 09-29-2010 at 09:38 PM.

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    Actually Ed I have to agree with ktronic and brad on this one.

    Not sure what buttons you're pressing on the calculator but $420 for the top kit less 20% only comes to $336. It should also be noted that is Aussie dollars which, whilst unusually high against most currencies at the moment, means its even less for those OS.

    If you compare it against most other "name brand lights" with a similar spec, and by that I don't mean ones that are being sold out of china under about 20 different names, then it is quite reasonably priced.

    as a complete package I don't think its too bad a deal, particularly for those that don't have confidence in electronics or access to a neighbours lathe

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    That's not a bad price for us in the UK at around £210. When you consider that they have to pay staff etc

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    Okay...help me out here then...the way I'm calculating from Cutter's website...the 7up is about $300 USD.

    Why would I pay $336 for a 600 lumen triple when a 1700lm G/E board 7up is $300? Okay...I still gotta build a battery for the 7up, right? Still...you're getting 3x the light.
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    Oh yeah...and I'm retracting post #5, LOL. I have realized that there's no way that I can hack out DIY's for people with the equipment that I've got...I'll leave that to people with experience who have it perfected. Not that what I've produced can hang anyhoo. Fun hobby though.

    Maybe in another decade when I am better equipped and have more knowledge...I could do what I thought...but definitely not after dabbling in it a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yetibetty
    That's not a bad price for us in the UK at around £210. When you consider that they have to pay staff etc
    In our Australian factory we pay unskilled process workers about $17/hour (£10.37) and our fitters $30/hour (£18.30) plus penalties. A standard machine shop will charge $75/hour (£45.70) for machining plus materials and consumables . Makes you realize why things start to add up.

    We cannot make products for the price they can be imported from the UK due to wage differences etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by chelboed
    Okay...help me out here then...the way I'm calculating from Cutter's website...the 7up is about $300 USD.

    Why would I pay $336 for a 600 lumen triple when a 1700lm G/E board 7up is $300? Okay...I still gotta build a battery for the 7up, right? Still...you're getting 3x the light.

    The dog star is $372A including tax but you still need a battery and switches (I think), and wiring and thermal paste etc etc. The 7 up is $355A (about 340US) at current rates with the best leds and leads but you still need a battery, switch, thermal paste etc. They are both plus shipping and you still need to build both of them which for a lot of people takes it off the shelf straight away. Don't get me wrong, I think they are both great products from Cutter but I don't think you are comparing apples with apples. If you want to do that then you need to be comparing against complete light units. That includes batteries, chargers, mounts, complete lights, something "professional" looking to store it all in, POS packing and most importantly, warranty.

    apples with apples Ed and DIY out of pocket expenses will nearly always be cheaper and make commercially available lights look expensive, but thats only if you have the ability / skill/ patience and tools to DIY and don't count your labour costs.

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    Ahhh...wasn't aware of those other details. Thanks...I get it.
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    El34 has his diy to done kits with marwi and p7 dosent he?
    "It looks flexy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by chelboed
    Ahhh...wasn't aware of those other details. Thanks...I get it.
    The final price of the Pygmy is somewhere around $325.30 once the AUD conversion is done and the final discount is applied. Of course you still have shipping and conversion cost if you are using a credit card. I believe the Pygmy is now using XP-G ( not confirmed ) but lumen output on the site listed the Pygmy at 1000. That is somewhat the standard output for an XPG triple. The Lumen8R quad on the other hand is still using Cree R-2's. I asked Daniel the other day why no upgrade for the L8R. In a nut shell he doesn't think the available optics are focused enough to make the upgrade worthwhile ( for helmet use that is ).

    I bought my Lumen8R more than a year ago when the Cree XR-E R-2 was the hottest thing going. It is a very nice helmet light ( close to 1000 lumens ) even by today's standards. When I bought mine I got a super deal as the price was much less than what they are now. At that time the US $ was WAY less than the AUD $.

    I did have some problems with my battery but Daniel was quick to resolve the problem and sent me a new one - no charge. The issues with the old batteries were fixed. Daniel even called me at home to make sure I was satisfied! From half way round the world I would have to say, "That's Damn Good customer service".

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    Quote Originally Posted by chelboed
    Oh yeah...and I'm retracting post #5, LOL. I have realized that there's no way that I can hack out DIY's for people with the equipment that I've got...I'll leave that to people with experience who have it perfected. Not that what I've produced can hang anyhoo. Fun hobby though.

    Maybe in another decade when I am better equipped and have more knowledge...I could do what I thought...but definitely not after dabbling in it a bit.

    I certainly wouldn't be discouraged. If you lights work, are reliable and fill a niche why not market them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chelboed
    Oh yeah...and I'm retracting post #5, LOL. I have realized that there's no way that I can hack out DIY's for people with the equipment that I've got...I'll leave that to people with experience who have it perfected. Not that what I've produced can hang anyhoo. Fun hobby though.

    Maybe in another decade when I am better equipped and have more knowledge...I could do what I thought...but definitely not after dabbling in it a bit.
    Don't sell yourself short. Your lights look like works of art, and should pack a lot of punch into a tiny package. Maybe not set up for mass production, but what artist is?

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    I do like your housing mathewm.

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    I have parts, but nothing that is a kit or super easy to slap together

    It still takes a bunch of DIY skill to assemble the Marwi lights

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    Quote Originally Posted by El34
    I have parts, but ...It still takes a bunch of DIY skill to assemble the Marwi lights
    Don't let EL34 scare you off if you actually know one end of a screwdriver from the other. If you have some mechanical, soldering, woodworking, plumbing, electrical repair skills and the basic hand tools to do them around the house, you can build one. You may have to learn or relearn some skills, but that's part of the fun. You can pick and choose parts for your Marwi 'kit' and so use anything you already own to make it. You can be successful without a huge effort but proper attention to details. No PITA Chinglish manual (actually no manual at all). No lathe, Mill or CNC machine required. End product looks and performs great , or if it doesn't it's your fault. (Happy owner of 4 modded Marwi housings.) It's too bad they didn't also make MR16 sized light units to stuff three Reginas into. That would be a sweet helmet light.

    If you are tool inept or deprived (and you know it if you are), buy a completed commercial light system or a turnkey system from a member here. You will be happier.

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    Time to throw my hat into the ring. Especially now that safety concerns seem to have reduced the Bastid's market share

    I've been building lights for a couple of local mtn biking clubs I belong to, maybe it's time to broaden my market.

    These: http://classifieds.mtbr.com/showprod...?product=57778 are based on the Citizen Kane Easy DIY design. They use two 750 lumen M bin CREE MCE LEDs and a driver of my own design. They are simple looking. They don't have the level of polish or bling you'll find with Troutie's and others lights, but they are real bright, pretty bombproof, and inexpensive. The beamshot uses the standard mtbr diy photo settings. The ramp in the trail is about 50 yards from the bike. I've ridden downhill with the previous version of these lights (K bin, so maybe 1100 lumens?) at speeds in excess of 35 mph and felt pretty comfortable with my ability to see what was coming.

    I sell them with NiMh batteries or without. I have directions on my web page (http://www.hahntronix.com) on building your own LiIon battery pack.
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    Hey Loco:

    OreO does!

    (but seriously, **** that guy. Not all his fault but he was a jackass about the whole process and could have prevented the ****up about 10 different ways)
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    I am
    short facts:
    4 MC-E M-bin
    available with different LM1 and Boom optiks
    4600mAh 14,4V battery
    charger

    If you are interessted please PM.
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    Roberts beamshot is at F4 2seconds compared to the beamshot thread F4 -6 seconds!

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    Rob, tell us more details on price and anything else you can think of. Looks great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob1111
    I am
    short facts:
    4 MC-E M-bin
    available with different LM1 and Boom optiks
    4600mAh 14,4V battery
    charger

    If you are interessted please PM.
    price? Lumens?
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    measured: in the german MTB Forum:

    http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showpos...postcount=1116

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    this looks like the relevant part (my rough translation):

    Roberts 4x MC-E with LM1:
    491lm / 911lm / 1440lm / 2304lm

    with BOOM reflector:
    510lm / 980lm / 1566lm / 2423lm

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    The facts to the set:
    4xMC-E with LM1 or BOOM optics from LEDIL
    Housing CNC machined, IP67 switch, sealed with o-ring in the front
    4600mAh 14,4V batterypack
    charger 16,8V 1A (european plug)

    electronic:
    custom build
    every MC-E has its own driver
    temperatureregulation
    displaying the voltage of the battery by flashing
    4 mode
    long press --> off

    if the battery is nearly empty, only low mode can be used

    runtimes:
    2h on high
    16h on low

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    Rob,

    Really like the look of that. how much is it? (PM?)

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