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    Process 134/134DL Thread

    I figured since there was a 111 thread, I'd start the 134 thread.

    I just finished demoing the 134DL. I took the bike to my local bike park (Snow Summit in So Cal) and had a full day of runs. My initial parking lot/street test was promising. The uber low standover on the large was nice, and I had mo problem getting way behind the seat for the steep stuff.

    Not until I got to the park that I noticed the frame was a bit flexy, and I noticed this quite a bit on the runs.

    What little climbing I did was aided a lot by the compression damping on the rear shock. There was quite a bit of bob when it wasn't on.

    Descending the steep and loose stuff was excellent. I felt more confident than my trail bike and looked forward to it. I'll be honest, it was quite under gunned for the park, but I still enjoyed it. I only bottomed out once when I took a jump a little too big, but it was not a bad ride overall.

    In conclusion, I'd say this would make a really good, fun trail bike. I wouldn't use it for dedicated all mountain or enduro riding, though. Hopefully the 153 frame is stouter and less flexy. If it is, it will be a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formu1fan View Post
    Not until I got to the park that I noticed the frame was a bit flexy, and I noticed this quite a bit on the runs.
    are you sure it was the frame and not the fork or wheels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by formu1fan View Post
    Not until I got to the park that I noticed the frame was a bit flexy, and I noticed this quite a bit on the runs.
    What little climbing I did was aided a lot by the compression damping on the rear shock. There was quite a bit of bob when it wasn't on.
    What do you normally ride? Just curious what you are comparing it to...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogbox View Post
    are you sure it was the frame and not the fork or wheels?
    It was a combination of everything. The wheels contributed the most to it, but the frame wasn't free of blame
    Quote Originally Posted by woahey View Post
    What do you normally ride? Just curious what you are comparing it to...
    I normally ride a Trek fuel EX, and that thing is really flexy. It is stiffer than my frame, but still could be better. I rode my buddy's Knolly Endo and that thing was solid.

    It is also worth noting that I am a big guy (240). The flex might not be as much of an issue for other riders. A buddy I ran into at the parking lot also noticed the flex, but he's not a normal rider, he's really hard on his bikes.
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    I spent around 25 km on the base model and maybe 6 km on the DL. Solid trail bikes. Confident climber which handles technical climbing with ease. Stay seated and spin or power up anything. Takes a bit of adjustment when you stand up to pedal but it only took a few minutes for me to get used to the cockpit when standing.
    Great descending bike which feels like a bit more than 134 mm travel. Really rewards a playful descender who uses features as launch pads and is more interested in the fun way down and not necessarily the fastest way. Didnt bottom out once and I tried. I'm very particular about my set up and usually run a few psi firmer I'm 180 and didn't notice any flex. Not a huge fan of calling this an "Enduro" bike as its one of the most balanced bikes I have ever ridden. The proper term I would use to classify this bike is

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    A mountain bike.

    Few disclaimers... I am a Kona dealer and love the brand and I much prefer 29 inch wheels but overall I could easily use the 134 as my everyday trail bike.
    For comparison I have spent a lot of time on the Satori, Big Unit, Explosif and a bit of time on the Hei Hei platform. Current bike is the 111 and Big Unit Bottom line...Good spec, good price... should be a winner.

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    Oh and to add... not really a park bike especially for a 240 pound rider. It would feel flexy shuttling it all day. Not its intended purpose. Meant to be pedaled...OP did mention it was under gunned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yahsper View Post
    Oh and to add... not really a park bike especially for a 240 pound rider. It would feel flexy shuttling it all day. Not its intended purpose. Meant to be pedaled...OP did mention it was under gunned.
    I had these same thoughts. Also, I wonder what the tire pressure was, if anybody checked spoke tension, etc. I've heard people complain that bikes have too much flex when it was really something small that was overlooked either during the build or before the ride.
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    I never said that this was the idea bike for a park. Tire pressure was fine for me, not too high or low.

    Also I mentioned that there was some flex in the wheels, but not everything was attributed to it.

    I'll say it again, this bike was undergunned for a park, even through this park was relatively tamed compared to others. As a trail bike that pedals? It would be excellent. With the compression damping on, I had no problem climbing.

    I never said it wasn't a bad bike, just pointing out that I found it flexy

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    Your butt is flexy...

    the wheels could be a bit stiffer but this isnt a top tier bike. Good parts for the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yahsper View Post
    the wheels could be a bit stiffer but this isnt a top tier bike. Good parts for the price.
    I can agree with that. Those SLX brakes are going on my next bike, which will probably be a Kona

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    I'm new to trial/mtn biking and looking for some advice on the Process 134 DL. I want to know the weight and hopefully it's under 30 lbs? The cost is $3599 and seems expensive for an alloy frame considering carbon frames are becoming more popular. I have also been considering the Devinci Troy low-end models RC and XP, Ghost Riot AMR Lector 5, and Rocky Mountain Altitude 750.

    Here are the 134 DL reviews: Test Kona Process 134 Deluxe 2014 and Kona's 2014 Process: a Bike Magazine Blueprint Exclusive and First Look: Prototype 2014 Kona Process 153 - Pinkbike

    Any comments or suggestions? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by dxdc93 View Post
    I'm new to trial/mtn biking and looking for some advice on the Process 134 DL. I want to know the weight and hopefully it's under 30 lbs? The cost is $3599 and seems expensive for an alloy frame considering carbon frames are becoming more popular. I have also been considering the Devinci Troy low-end models RC and XP, Ghost Riot AMR Lector 5, and Rocky Mountain Altitude 750.

    Here are the 134 DL reviews: Test Kona Process 134 Deluxe 2014 and Kona's 2014 Process: a Bike Magazine Blueprint Exclusive and First Look: Prototype 2014 Kona Process 153 - Pinkbike

    Any comments or suggestions? Thanks
    I demoed both the Process 134DL and the Troy this past weekend. I weighed the Process (medium) at the bike shop at exactly 30 lbs with average weight metal flat pedals. The Troy (medium) weighed in at 28.1 lbs with the same flat pedals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barch View Post
    I demoed both the Process 134DL and the Troy this past weekend. I weighed the Process (medium) at the bike shop at exactly 30 lbs with average weight metal flat pedals. The Troy (medium) weighed in at 28.1 lbs with the same flat pedals.
    How'd you like the two bikes? How do they compare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barch View Post
    I demoed both the Process 134DL and the Troy this past weekend. I weighed the Process (medium) at the bike shop at exactly 30 lbs with average weight metal flat pedals. The Troy (medium) weighed in at 28.1 lbs with the same flat pedals.
    was that a carbon troy or aluminum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by So Cal RX View Post
    How'd you like the two bikes? How do they compare?
    I liked them both. I hesitate to weigh in with an opinion as I a have only been riding for one year and my MB expertise is limited. I ride single tract almost exclusively. I ride long rides. I climb a lot and descend steep gnarly stuff but generally have both wheels on the ground. No tricks. Both bikes seem well balanced and handle well. On the uphill, both climb well, either siting or standing. I presently ride a Satori which I love, but it is not a real easy climber (heavier, 29' wheels, high stand over, and 26 chainring) and both of these tweeners are easier on the long and technical climbs. On the descent, both bikes were easy to control, corner and comfortable to ride. I had a few more pedal strikes on the Troy, but that may have been due to too little air in the rear shock. However, neither felt any better than the Satori, which is just an awesome down hill cruiser that just rolls over everything. The low stand over is a another feature of both bikes I liked a lot as compared to the Satori.
    The Troy comes with the SRAM X.O (which has a smaller 22 chain ring) and Avid breaks. I actually preferred the Shimano SLX setup on the less expensive Process. The SLX brakes and shifters have performed flawlessly on my Satori.
    At this point I favor the Process slightly. I'm just not sure the Troy is worth an additional 2,900 USD for the carbon with a weight savings of only 2 lbs. I am going to ride the large versions of both of theses bikes when they are available. I'm 5'10", inseam 32" and weigh 178 lbs. The medium size seemed just a bit on the small side on both bikes. I'll keep you posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogbox View Post
    was that a carbon troy or aluminum?
    It was the carbon with the SRAM X.O setup. The metal flat petals were probably on the heavier side as they were loaners.

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    Thanks Barch. I'm the same exact height and inseam and ordered a medium 134DL so I hope I like the fit. The Troy is interesting though, I'd lean towards builging an aluminum Troy if I were to go that way but since I have dough on a Process I think I'm stuck that way. How did the process wheelie and manual? I'm not great at either but it makes life easier if the bike does it well.

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    Here's a good review I found here;

    I wish I got mine as fast
    This is encouraging though, my favorite AM bike of all time was my old Firebird, I just don't need quite that much theses days as I have a 12' Operator for bigger stuff.

    Here's Tink's review of the 134DL

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    Date Reviewed: September 28, 2013

    Strengths: Great handling on the ground and in the air. Smart spec build. Dialed geometry.

    Weaknesses: None, especially at this price.

    Bottom Line:
    "Playful" is the best word to describe this bike. It is the most fun bike I have owned. The combination of short (16.7") chainstays, long top tube (24.8"), stubby stem (40mm), 68 degree head angle, and of course, 27.5" wheels all contribute to the way this bike dances down the trail. Kona got this bike right! It descends faster and, according to Strava, is just as quick uphill than my Yeti 575. The 5.25" rear travel feels more like 6.5" with the beefy rear triangle and Monarch RT rear shocks progressiveness. The Rockshox Revelation RL solo air 140 forks are stiff and supple. I've ridden Fox suspension for the last 9 years but the new Rockshox equipment is just as good so far. Point and shoot this bike at speed and it will save you if you mess up. I've always been impressed with Shimano SLX components. They are reliable and easily replaceable. The 760mm Kona bars are a bit heavy and a little wide for me. They will probably get swapped out to save some weight. The components are well thought out to keep the price down without sacrificing performance. I will gladly accept the 31.5 lbs weight at this price and the sake of durability. I've had this bike less than a month but all I can think about is riding it. It is a true love affair.
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    Favorite Trail: Brown Mtn / El Prieto

    Price Paid: $3600.00

    Purchased At: Montrose Bike Shop,

    Similar Products Used: This is unlike any bike I have ridden. For me it best compares to the Pivot Firebird (awesome bike). I have owned an 09 Yeti 575, 04 Titus Switchblade, and 01 GT iDrive. I have demo'd many bikes from full rigid 29ers to 8" travel downhillers.

    Bike Setup: SLX/XT drivetrain. Rockshox Revelation RL solo air forks, Rockshox Monarch RT shock. Maxxis Ardent tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjlama View Post
    Thanks Barch. I'm the same exact height and inseam and ordered a medium 134DL so I hope I like the fit. The Troy is interesting though, I'd lean towards builging an aluminum Troy if I were to go that way but since I have dough on a Process I think I'm stuck that way. How did the process wheelie and manual? I'm not great at either but it makes life easier if the bike does it well.
    I think you (and I) are going to be fine wit the Medium. The only significant difference between the Medium and the Large is the TT is .6 inches longer, the wheel base is 1.3 inches longer and the reach is 1 inch longer. When you get your bike, let me know what you think.

    I can't comment on doing a wheelie or a manual as these moves are not exactly in my present repertoire; however, I did find it easier (as compared to my Satori) to unweight (lift) up the front wheel when peddling over large roots and rolling through the gnarl.

    Do you have a link to the complete review by Tink a All Mountain rider?

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    Kona Process 134 DL 650B Reviews - Mtbr.com

    That should be it, I'm not especially talented with the intergoogle.

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    Just picked up my Process 134 with StansFlow Wheelset

    Process 134/134DL Thread-img_20131030_174916.jpgProcess 134/134DL Thread-img_20131030_175019.jpg


    Sorry for the crappy pictures. I hope to take it to the trails this weekend.

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    Re: Process 134/134DL Thread

    Are these available as frame only? I planned to call the local Kona dealer today but didn't get a chance.

    I have a bunch of parts in the garage that would build up pretty sweet on one of those babies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13 View Post
    Are these available as frame only? I planned to call the local Kona dealer today but didn't get a chance.

    I have a bunch of parts in the garage that would build up pretty sweet on one of those babies.
    You can get a frame only if you want...call your dealer for price...
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    Quote Originally Posted by woahey View Post
    You can get a frame only if you want...call your dealer for price...
    My LBS says that a frame option is available for around $1600-1700, but there is a 2-3mo wait..

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    Re: Process 134/134DL Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by RSMBiker View Post
    My LBS says that a frame option is available for around $1600-1700, but there is a 2-3mo wait..
    Thanks for the info.

    I found a pretty sweet deal on a Satori frame, so I'm going that route for now. I have pretty much everything I need to build it, just need a PF bottom bracket for my cranks and a 142x12 conversion for my rear hub.

    Wish I had a burlier wheelset fot it though. I just sold a Hope Pro 2/Flow 29er wheelset that would've been perfect for it. Oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13 View Post
    Thanks for the info.

    I found a pretty sweet deal on a Satori frame, so I'm going that route for now. I have pretty much everything I need to build it, just need a PF bottom bracket for my cranks and a 142x12 conversion for my rear hub.

    Wish I had a burlier wheelset fot it though. I just sold a Hope Pro 2/Flow 29er wheelset that would've been perfect for it. Oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13 View Post
    Thanks for the info.

    I found a pretty sweet deal on a Satori frame, so I'm going that route for now. I have pretty much everything I need to build it, just need a PF bottom bracket for my cranks and a 142x12 conversion for my rear hub.

    Wish I had a burlier wheelset fot it though. I just sold a Hope Pro 2/Flow 29er wheelset that would've been perfect for it. Oh well.
    This may be the burliest wheelset ever. Heavier than sh!t, but bombproof. I had them on my Heckler...stayed true with 2 broken spokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Thanks, I saw that. I have a set of Black Flag Pro's hanging in the garage for this build. More of an XC wheel but should do OK, just wish they were wider. Might swap the rim for something a little more AM
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    I should be trying out a P134DL this weekend....unfortunately they won't let me take it offroad, so I'll have to take it round the block. It will at least let me get a feel for the size. I'm probably more interested in the P111 but they are not available yet. I'll take some shots.

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    Just saw someone selling their Kona Process 134 already on the classifeds section?

    2014 KONA PROCESS 134 (650B/27.5 MEDIUM) - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories

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    Custom Build Process 134 DL

    Here's my Process 134 DL. Feels like more than 134mm. Ride report to follow...

    Wheels
    - Front: Derby 40mm Carbon rim laced to Hadley hub
    - Rear: Flow EX rim laced to Hadley hub

    Tires
    - Front: High Roller II 2.3 EXO, TR, 3C
    - Rear: Ardent 2.25 EXO

    Fork
    - X Fusion Velvet 140mm

    Drivetrain
    - SLX Crank w e13 Guide Ring 38t
    - 10sp Saint shifter/Deralleur
    - 11-36t SLX Cassette

    Brakes
    - XT Front 203mm
    - XT Rear 180mm

    Cockpit
    - Bar: Race Face Atlas 785mm
    - Stem: Loaded 45mm
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    Quote Originally Posted by howard619 View Post
    Here's my Process 134 DL. Feels like more than 134mm. Ride report to follow...

    W
    Lookin' good
    Except for the saddle slammed down like that... looks kinda funny
    I'm looking forward to reading your ride review.
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Here's my '14 Kona Process 134DL - Just made a few changes from the stock build..
    Hadley Hubs, Made the wheels tubelsss, Raceface narrow wide, 1x10 with Sram X9 clutch derailuer, swapped out the red accents on the dropper post with Blue..
    I'l be adding Spank Spike bearlcaw stem and bars.. Weighs in at 30.01lbs after these changes.
    Overall this is a super fun playful bike. Sold my Giant Trance (which I also love) to give this a try.. Different bikes, but both are fun and playful. No regrets with this change. Go out and test ride, you'll agree.








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    looks like you "stuck the landing" with that one!!

    Lookin fwd to seeing more builds and ride reports on this one - as I've ridden the 153 in Moab on the whole enchilada, but feeling this or even the 111 is more the better all around every day bike in colorado

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    My Kona 134dl

    Had this bike for a bit more than a month now and it is just so much fun. It climbs a lot better than I thought it would and I have done 70km rides on it easy! But where the bike really stands out is is when things goes downhill and the short back end just wants to be flicked around and the handling is very nippy and easy to push hard through corners.
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    I planned on doing an in depth review, but I've been too busy riding and reliving each ride in my head. This bike climbs better than my 2012 Steely Hardtail with pretty much the same build and weight. My Steely has 5mm shorter chainstays, but I haven't missed it or hardly noticed in comparison. As soon as I can manage to wipe the stoke off my face and take my hands off the bars, I'll take the time to write a proper review.

    One last thing...this bike is NOT flexy, flimsy, or noodly as the OP suggested. I think the OP was feeling the stock wheels and fork flex. Now back to daydreaming of riding

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogbox View Post
    I was really stoked to see this. Not only did I already have my P134, but this was all done literally in my back yard. Glad to see that they had the same love for the bike as I did, and they didn't have to cough up the dough either.
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    Hi can someone please tell what size of seat post the 134 takes ? Might be getting one soon and have a KS lev 30.9 on my yeti the now and would like to put it on the 134 if it fits .

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    Quote Originally Posted by radman View Post
    Hi can someone please tell what size of seat post the 134 takes ? Might be getting one soon and have a KS lev 30.9 on my yeti the now and would like to put it on the 134 if it fits .
    It's a 31.6. You can get a shim that will allow the Process to utilize the 30.9 post. Problem Solver Seatpost Shim | Problem Solvers | Brand | www.PricePoint.com
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    Anybody have the stock weight of a 134dl M or L?

    Thanks

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    I weighed a medium 134 DL with regular shop flat pedals at my LBS in October. It weighed in at exactly 30 lbs on their scale.

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    Process 134/134DL Thread-processweight.jpg I demoed a medium Process DL a while back and got 31.68 on my Feedback Sports digital scale (XT pedals). Everything appeared to be from the stock build.

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    i am still trying to wrap my head around the $1000 difference in price between the 134 DL and the base model. i have read the spec sheets and i get that the shocks are a slight upgrade on the DL along with pretty slight "one step up" improvements across the board, but all told it doesn't seem to be worth $1k… yet this thread seems to have mostly DL owners. am i missing something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shilohlane View Post
    i am still trying to wrap my head around the $1000 difference in price between the 134 DL and the base model. i have read the spec sheets and i get that the shocks are a slight upgrade on the DL along with pretty slight "one step up" improvements across the board, but all told it doesn't seem to be worth $1k… yet this thread seems to have mostly DL owners. am i missing something?
    In my opinion, no, you're not missing anything. I opted for the base model, because I could use the extra $1000 to upgrade components to what I want. If the DL came with a 140mm Pike and a Monarch Plus and wheels that weren't laced to sub-standard hubs, I'd have paid an extra $2k.
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    Hope

    Found a new review of the non DL 134 here if anyone is interested: Fresh MTB Reviews | Get the freshest mountain bike reviews here!

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    Is there a shortage of Process bikes? I live in San Antonio and unfortunately for me none of the LBSs here are Kona dealers. However Austin is only 1hr north and they have a couple of dealers. I am itching for this bike. Called 2 stores and nada, will not have anything from 3-4weeks. Looks like Kona is running low on stock- popular bike.

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    From what I've read, bike manufacturers are tending to keep their supply down lately. They'd rather have to make more than to have a boat load on hand, only to end up not sold for whatever reason
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayAllen View Post
    Is there a shortage of Process bikes? I live in San Antonio and unfortunately for me none of the LBSs here are Kona dealers. However Austin is only 1hr north and they have a couple of dealers. I am itching for this bike. Called 2 stores and nada, will not have anything from 3-4weeks. Looks like Kona is running low on stock- popular bike.
    I heard that Kona was almost out of the '14 models and pushing to get started early on production for "next year". But that's just a rumor...no real info...
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    Quote Originally Posted by woahey View Post
    I heard that Kona was almost out of the '14 models and pushing to get started early on production for "next year". But that's just a rumor...no real info...
    I would suspect that is a rumor, at least I hope it is. It is only January and they would loose thousands in revenue not to mention a lot of potential customers. I am hoping I can purchase one next month or I may move on to my next choice of bike.

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    My LBS which is a Kona dealer has been trying to get the large 134 Process DL for several customers, including me, for months. The LBS owner says has several orders, but he can't get the bikes. Latest time frame for delivery from Kona was Jan-February. He still hasn't received them. He doesn't think many of theses bikes have been delivered to anyone to date.
    According to the owner, the whole MB sales/distribution thing is screwed up, maybe slightly worse for Kona. In the last couple of years the manufacturers have been releasing the new bikes for demo in the summer and fall, but not producing any in quantity until the winter with availability limited until the following spring. What that does is that once the demos are out and known about in the summer, no one wants to buy the present year models. Thus the dealer can't sell the present year models that are available and can't get the next year models so it really hurts sales ultimately for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barch View Post
    My LBS which is a Kona dealer has been trying to get the large 134 Process DL for several customers, including me, for months. The LBS owner says has several orders, but he can't get the bikes. Latest time frame for delivery from Kona was Jan-February. He still hasn't received them. He doesn't think many of theses bikes have been delivered to anyone to date.
    According to the owner, the whole MB sales/distribution thing is screwed up, maybe slightly worse for Kona. In the last couple of years the manufacturers have been releasing the new bikes for demo in the summer and fall, but not producing any in quantity until the winter with availability limited until the following spring. What that does is that once the demos are out and known about in the summer, no one wants to buy the present year models. Thus the dealer can't sell the present year models that are available and can't get the next year models so it really hurts sales ultimately for everyone.
    Poor business plan. When said customer is ready to drop $2500-5000k+ on a bike you would think the purchase process would be convenient, quick and easy. Looks like I may buy my hardtail 1st (been looking at the Kona Explosif HT for a everyday bike) and see if the Process is available in the latter part of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barch View Post
    My LBS which is a Kona dealer has been trying to get the large 134 Process DL for several customers, including me, for months. The LBS owner says has several orders, but he can't get the bikes. Latest time frame for delivery from Kona was Jan-February. He still hasn't received them. He doesn't think many of theses bikes have been delivered to anyone to date.
    According to the owner, the whole MB sales/distribution thing is screwed up, maybe slightly worse for Kona. In the last couple of years the manufacturers have been releasing the new bikes for demo in the summer and fall, but not producing any in quantity until the winter with availability limited until the following spring. What that does is that once the demos are out and known about in the summer, no one wants to buy the present year models. Thus the dealer can't sell the present year models that are available and can't get the next year models so it really hurts sales ultimately for everyone.
    Quote Originally Posted by RayAllen View Post
    Poor business plan. When said customer is ready to drop $2500-5000k+ on a bike you would think the purchase process would be convenient, quick and easy. Looks like I may buy my hardtail 1st (been looking at the Kona Explosif HT for a everyday bike) and see if the Process is available in the latter part of the year.
    Yup very poor marketing / sales vision.

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    I'm trying to get my hands on the Process 111 and my LBS said the only Process' that aren't sold out right now are the small and medium base 134's, every other size in all the other process models are sold out. Unless you find a shop that already has one on the floor it will be months for the next production run. The LBS also hinted about the rumor that the second production run wasn't planned and that Kona completely underestimated the reviews and demand these bikes would get. Unfortunately there isn't really another bike that's quite like the 111 so I'm tempted to just put my name on the backorder list and wait.

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    Yea, Back order list may be the way to go. I just called 3 more stores this morning. 5 total now and all the same answer. No large Process 134s in stock and maybe not until Late Feb early March. A couple of them had a medium. MatMattMatt not sure where you are but one of the stores I called in Austin had a 111 and a 153 in stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post
    Yup very poor marketing / sales vision.
    I'd argue not really. These guys went out on a limb to make something new. Kona's not specialized / trek / giant. They probably had to hedge a certain extent not knowing how successful it would be. Frankly, this bike is white swan win for them, which is fantastic to see. I love seeing good designs sell out, it's validation of the concept.

    I hope the guys who designed the line up get massive bonuses and are further incentivized to continue with out-of-the-box designs & thinking to progress the sport.

    A byproduct of this success will be increased capacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by probiscus View Post
    I'd argue not really. These guys went out on a limb to make something new. Kona's not specialized / trek / giant. They probably had to hedge a certain extent not knowing how successful it would be. Frankly, this bike is white swan win for them, which is fantastic to see. I love seeing good designs sell out, it's validation of the concept.

    I hope the guys who designed the line up get massive bonuses and are further incentivize to continue with out-of-the-box designs & thinking to progress the sport.
    Out on a limb happens every season for numerous brands of numerous product so to say that's ok in an ultra competitive world / business won't get it done period.

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    Does the 134 frame have the ability to run an internally-routed dropper post? Obviously the other models in the range do, but I have scoured the internet and haven't seen a 134 with a Reverb Stealth or Lev Integra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s-wooooooo View Post
    Does the 134 frame have the ability to run an internally-routed dropper post? Obviously the other models in the range do, but I have scoured the internet and haven't seen a 134 with a Reverb Stealth or Lev Integra.
    all process bike models can run both a stealth and conventional dropper post.

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    i terms of Kona not ordering enough bikes, my guess would be they didn't want to order big in alloy with carbon obviously right around the corner.

    ...but that is a guess based on pure speculation....

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    Well I bit the bullet and put down a 20% deposit on a Process 134 tonight. Fingers crossed its here before the end of January. LBS said there supplier says 3-4 weeks.

    I have to say getting a email from Joe @ Kona today made my choice easy. Although I'm bummed I have to wait clearly the customer service is going to be great.

    Hi Ray,

    Thank you for the mail. We’ve heard from all of the Kona Dealers you mention below & each of these dealers have placed a backorder for a 134 in Large but we simply do not have any available in our warehouse for shipment.

    Increasing our distribution to San Antonio is a priority but the dealers we have spoken to in the area don’t feel there is enough demand for the brand. Please go into your Local Bike Shop in San Antonio and ask them to bring in Kona!

    As soon as these bikes become available- we will contact the Kona Dealer who will reach out to you. Thanks for your support of Kona and we’re excited to get you rolling on a 134.


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    Quote Originally Posted by s-wooooooo View Post
    Does the 134 frame have the ability to run an internally-routed dropper post? Obviously the other models in the range do, but I have scoured the internet and haven't seen a 134 with a Reverb Stealth or Lev Integra.
    The 134's "stealth" routing is external from the control to the seat-tube where it enters the frame. For a LEV, you'd need more cable and housing to run stealth than not...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogbox View Post
    ...but that is a guess based on pure speculation....
    Did the "134 a" that is on the top-tube give it away?
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    Hey all

    I have already asked this question of forum of Process 153, so i am sorry for duplication, but i'll ask it here too for more opinions:
    I am currently deciding between 153 and 134. Most of my trails are indeed covered by 134, but could you advise please should I go for 153 solely for the Pike?

    Thanks in advance

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    When you do side by side comparisons. To me the biggest difference is the Tires, Rims and Fork. The 153 come Tubeless ready, the 134 does not.

    That in itself did not sway me from getting the 134. Now the pike is awesome, but I do not need 160mm of travel for my riding. I think the 134 is a more well rounded bike for many scenarios, terrains. The 153 seems more DH than anything with the Pike fork and larger brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayAllen View Post
    When you do side by side comparisons. To me the biggest difference is the Tires, Rims and Fork. The 153 come Tubeless ready, the 134 does not.

    That in itself did not sway me from getting the 134. Now the pike is awesome, but I do not need 160mm of travel for my riding. I think the 134 is a more well rounded bike for many scenarios, terrains. The 153 seems more DH than anything with the Pike fork and larger brakes.
    Thank you for the answer.
    I am planning to upgrade the wheels and tires anyway, so that's not something to consider.
    Unfortunately I would be able to test ride only 134 so I an just trying to "feel" what will be the difference between it and 153 in long rides which include climbing. I currently ride my trails with HT, which is fast but causes my eyeballs to rattle out my eyes and I had 130/125mm FS bike that could do the same trails with almost same av. speed (only 0.5 km/h less) but without the drama of HT. So will 143 be like this trail bike and 153 would feel like climbing with full DH bike, or the difference is much less pronounced?
    I know its a question of personal viewpoint, but unfortunately I can't ride both bikes to decide.
    Thanks in advance again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smeagul View Post
    but could you advise please should I go for 153 solely for the Pike?
    You could buy the Pike for the difference in price between the 134 and 153. You can replace the air spring to get it down to 140mm or deal with 150 and a more slack head angle. Do you really want a 6"+ travel bike or a 5.25" travel bike?
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    FWIW, I think the 134 DL comes with WTB ST i23 TCS Rims. I have the same rims on my 2013 Satori, and they are tubeless ready. You have to tape them and they are good to go. I converted mine without difficulty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woahey View Post
    You could buy the Pike for the difference in price between the 134 and 153. You can replace the air spring to get it down to 140mm or deal with 150 and a more slack head angle. Do you really want a 6"+ travel bike or a 5.25" travel bike?
    Well You just helped me to formulate my question : from what I have read both bikes are very close in terms of weight and geometry, so maybe someone who has ridden both can state is there a substantial differences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smeagul View Post
    Well You just helped me to formulate my question : from what I have read both bikes are very close in terms of weight and geometry, so maybe someone who has ridden both can state is there a substantial differences?
    The handling on the 134 is slightly quicker and it climbs a little better due to the steeper head tube angle and shorter wheelbase. When pointed downhill, the 153 gives a little more confidence and stability due to the wider handle bars and more slack head tube angle. I chose the 134 because I wanted one bike to do it all, and it does. If I had an XC rig and wanted a bike solely for burly trails, I'd go for the 153.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woahey View Post
    The handling on the 134 is slightly quicker and it climbs a little better due to the steeper head tube angle and shorter wheelbase. When pointed downhill, the 153 gives a little more confidence and stability due to the wider handle bars and more slack head tube angle. I chose the 134 because I wanted one bike to do it all, and it does. If I had an XC rig and wanted a bike solely for burly trails, I'd go for the 153.
    That's what I was looking for, thank You.

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    CAn anyone give me the bar width and rise the 134 comes with? I want to keep my current Spank 777 5m rise bars. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by beater32 View Post
    CAn anyone give me the bar width and rise the 134 comes with? I want to keep my current Spank 777 5m rise bars. Thanks
    134 = 740 x 22
    134 DL = 760 x 16

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    Thanks for that. So in theory...I could use my bars with a 10mm spacer.? Or maybe just not worth the bother perhaps?

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    Can I run a lev integra on the 134DL? Does it have the same internal cable routing than the 153?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nosewheely View Post
    Can I run a lev integra on the 134DL? Does it have the same internal cable routing than the 153?
    All process models all have the exact same dropper post routing which is both a hole and guides for stealth and guides for conventional routing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nosewheely View Post
    Can I run a lev integra on the 134DL? Does it have the same internal cable routing than the 153?
    I'd just get the regular LEV. The cable routing is external until the seat tube- it requires more cable and housing to run "stealth" than if you use the standard LEV...
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    Thanks dogbox!!

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    I own 134... but I have to lose 5.5kg more before I can unleash it on my local trails. From my sneaky rides around back yard and up street, I believe this thing will give me wings!

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    ive ridden since '88, never been a suspension guy, but the 134 may change my mind... waiting for my LBS to get one in a few weeks.

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    Hi all
    I just rdered the 134 (non DL)and it supose to arrive on the begining of march
    ... all the spec. are really god for my type of riding and level, except 2 things:

    1. the KS Eten-R seatpost - is it any good? i read in some forums the it have problems from time to time and sometimes it "dives"
    should i upgrade to something better?

    2. the DEORE (M505) brake set: it seems that the levers a a little bit "old fashion" and very long... are SLX brake set much better r to leave the breakes as is??

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    Hey guys & girls... Need some advice re, psi numbers in shocks. I have rear set at 20% sag - for my weight it's around 260psi... In the front I like the sink/return to be fairly quick - it's at 150psi... Not so worried about sag out front, I go on feel. FYI - I weigh 240lbs.
    set up feels ok but would like others ideas, input, expertise (my first fs bike) :narb:
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    After finding something useful on YouTube... I've arrived at 25% sag front & rear... 135 & 245 psi respectively

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    Could someone with a large 134 measure from the center of the top cap horizontally back the center of thr seat post? My dealer doesn't have a large in stock yet to check. Just wanted to see if Kona's measurements are correct.

    Thanks

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    can someone tell me if I buy the stans Flo XTR rims will they connect to the spokes that already come with the 134 DL and hubs?

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    ^Probably not. They might be close or even fit, but spoke lengths are determined by the rim profile, ie the length between the spoke bed of the rim and the hub flange.

    So you want to unlace the old wheel, use your old hub and spokes on a new rim? I'd say for the small amount you'd spend, I'd just buy new spokes.

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    Ok. Any preference on what ones to get? Thanx for the help.

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    I've always had good luck with Wheelsmith spokes. DTSwiss makes good ones, as well.

    Are you planning on building this wheel yourself? If so, there are some good wheelbuilding tutorials, and check in with the Wheels and Tires sub-forum.

    Wheels and Tires

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    Thank you!

    Yes I am. I'm a couple years into riding. I have been a mechanic for a while now so I'm sure working on a bike won't be hard. Haven't changed anything besides bar and stem on my older bikes so far.

    Thank you for the link and help. So my slx hub will be ok for this setup? My bike is coming in, in 2 weeks so I can even take it apart to look into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8valvegrowl View Post
    I've always had good luck with Wheelsmith spokes. DTSwiss makes good ones, as well.

    Are you planning on building this wheel yourself? If so, there are some good wheelbuilding tutorials, and check in with the Wheels and Tires sub-forum.

    Wheels and Tires

    actually, I just learned that the wtb i23 rims don't weight that much more than the flows. So I think im going to stick with those rims for now.

    I have looked but have not found. does anybody know if those tires (ardents exo) and rims work together for tubeless?

    Correct me if im wrong but all I would need is tape, sealant, and stans valves.

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    The rims are taped. Just add sealant and valves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tollef View Post
    The rims are taped. Just add sealant and valves.
    awesome thank you very much !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mxzx121 View Post
    Could someone with a large 134 measure from the center of the top cap horizontally back the center of thr seat post? My dealer doesn't have a large in stock yet to check. Just wanted to see if Kona's measurements are correct.

    Thanks

    Approx 24.5"

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    took my 134 out for its maiden trail run today. Only having a HT 29er to compare with, here goes: Uphill is ok... definitely harder work than my HT, getting out of saddle creates noticeable bob... better to remain attached and hunker down...
    Downhill: is like riding a crack addict w/ ADHD!! The bike wants to go nuts i.e. get rowdy! The rear end is firmly attached to terra firma and inspires confidence. The front end is secure but very active, and allows line changes mid turn w/o repercussions. This bike literally encourages you to go faster and tackle the harder line. The dropper post is a god send, fully extended for the climbs and lifes a little easier and fully dropped for railing corners, your sphincter feels like it is almost scraping the trail. Only thing I'm semi worried about is the stopping power of the brakes or just that you really need to crank the levers to slow down all that rowdy momentum you gather. Taking out for another spin tomorrow... Might loosen the reigns a little more and see what it can really do. It's definitely a hoot'n'annie on wheels for sure.

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    2nd ride today... fits like a glove! Climbs fine, not going to win any uphill time trials. Bike descends like a demon & brakes were more responsive second ride in. Despite being slower on the up hills, it's actually easier riding up than my ht 29er. Let me explain - my ht is better on climbs, but when going down it rattles your fillings and everything else, so when you get to climbing I'm actually fatigued from all the bouncing around. On the process the descents are smooth, speedy and a hoot... and I have more energy for the next climb. I also feel less tenderised at the end of a ride. Plus the envious looks I got from a couple of other bikers today make me feel I have something special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by targnik View Post
    Downhill: is like riding a crack addict w/ ADHD!!
    Happy for you mate, but good grief, your metaphors are ridiculous. Ease up on reading those bike rags.
    Better to just describe it with normal words. I've no idea how a crack addict behaves. Aren't they just asleep all day?
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Re: Process 134/134DL Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    Happy for you mate, but good grief, your metaphors are ridiculous. Ease up on reading those bike rags.
    Better to just describe it with normal words. I've no idea how a crack addict behaves. Aren't they just asleep all day?
    so... part B of my review was sweet!?

    PS - analogy not metaphor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transvaal View Post
    Had this bike for a bit more than a month now and it is just so much fun. It climbs a lot better than I thought it would and I have done 70km rides on it easy! But where the bike really stands out is is when things goes downhill and the short back end just wants to be flicked around and the handling is very nippy and easy to push hard through corners.
    Do you know the difference with the flows compared to the stock wtb i23's?? I ask b/c there is not much weight difference.

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    I don't know how much the wtb's weight but my flows comes in at about 1,8ish kg. What I do know is when I first got the bike I took it out stock standard and the maxis tyres and wheels was bomb proof going down but I did feel they hampered the potential of the bike going uphill, since I changed over to the flows and wtb tubeless tires the bike climbs super. I changed a few things out on the bike and it comes in under 30 pounds and flies up and down, Kona really got it spot on with this bike without any silly suspension designs. I have done just under 1,000km of trail riding on this bike and only enjoy more more with each ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by targnik View Post
    so... part B of my review was sweet!?

    PS - analogy not metaphor

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    My bad. I should've said "simile" instead of "metaphor" but they can be interchangeable. They're both analogies.
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