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    Process 111/111 DL Thread

    News, pics, reviews of the new 2014 Process 111/111 DL here!

    I'm seriously considering one, but would love to hear how others are finding the ride. Climbing performance against the descending prowess - can it really do both well?

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    Test rode one for a maybe 10 kms Climbs ok... But holy sheet when you point it down... Super playful going down and eats up bumps well beyond its relatively small 111mm of travel. Long top tube and short stem makes it somewhat awkward for standing climbing. Seated it climbs pretty well. I just received my dl and I will ride it a few times then be switching to a 32 or even a 30 ring so I can climb steep stuff. The base model with 1 x 10 wouldnt work as well for me but if you have fire road or staright forward climbing it should be good.
    When I get some more time on my new ride I will report back.
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    My PROCESS 111 DL size L :
    12,48kgrs without pedals.

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    How did you get a pink one? Super cool.

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    I had the frame repainted

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    Where did you get the decal kit?

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    Mt seat post failed last night. Need to re-cut the housing and get a new cable. Bike is amazing though. Getting used to climbing it. Just got a 32 tooth ring for the front which should make things a bit easier. I may end up with a 30 at some point.
    Handle bar is a bit wide for me so thats getting a slight chop. The bike is crazy fast going down...just sucks up everything. It really does feel like more than 111mm. Really loving it.

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    Anything more you can tell is about the climbing ability? Seated and standing?

    I'm more of a climber but have been improving my descending and general technical riding ability, so I'm wondering how much of my ability to climb will be muted by the suspension action of this bike.

    Currently riding a DB Mason HT with a 150mm Pike and I have really come to enjoy the slack headtube angle, descending and ascending. However I know an FS bike like this could be even more fun...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fleanutz View Post
    Anything more you can tell is about the climbing ability? Seated and standing?

    I'm more of a climber but have been improving my descending and general technical riding ability, so I'm wondering how much of my ability to climb will be muted by the suspension action of this bike.

    Currently riding a DB Mason HT with a 150mm Pike and I have really come to enjoy the slack headtube angle, descending and ascending. However I know an FS bike like this could be even more fun...
    If you already are climbing on your current set up you will have no problem with the process. Seated climbing is fine and I don't touch the shock but when I stand I flick the switch.
    I did some steeper climbs where I had to stand and I'm getting more used to the geometry. Still need to cut my bars which will help me a bit .
    Just switched to a 32 tooth ring so a few steeper climbs should be easier.
    I'm taking it on a big xc ride this morning to see what its like on my ol hardtail trails.

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    I can compare my PROCESS 111DL with my SATORI and with my HONZO:
    The PROCESS is the happy medium between the SATORI and the HONZO during the rises.
    It is close to the SATORI in adhesion and in motricity.
    It is close to the HONZO in dynamism and in explodability.
    In the very stiff rises, it is more effective than the SATORI because the suspension of subsides less and thus the bike gets rid of the ballast from less front.
    In the breakable rises with many of the small rocks, it is less effective than the SATORI because the suspension is firmer and generates a little less adhesion.
    In brief, the PROCESS behaves in the rises as a good bike of XC.

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    I know its not all about the numbers game but for comparisons does anyone have the frame weight and BB height for one of these (large preferably )

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    I ride my friend's Satori last weekend on some of the more challenging trails around here. It performed great, up and down. I also just built up a Honzo and will take it out tomorrow for it's first trail ride. The process line really intrigues me but I am leaning towards the 154.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boude View Post
    I can compare my PROCESS 111DL with my SATORI and with my HONZO:
    The PROCESS is the happy medium between the SATORI and the HONZO during the rises.
    It is close to the SATORI in adhesion and in motricity.
    It is close to the HONZO in dynamism and in explodability.
    In the very stiff rises, it is more effective than the SATORI because the suspension of subsides less and thus the bike gets rid of the ballast from less front.
    In the breakable rises with many of the small rocks, it is less effective than the SATORI because the suspension is firmer and generates a little less adhesion.
    In brief, the PROCESS behaves in the rises as a good bike of XC.
    What's "motricity?"
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fleanutz View Post
    Anything more you can tell is about the climbing ability? Seated and standing?

    I'm more of a climber but have been improving my descending and general technical riding ability, so I'm wondering how much of my ability to climb will be muted by the suspension action of this bike.

    Currently riding a DB Mason HT with a 150mm Pike and I have really come to enjoy the slack headtube angle, descending and ascending. However I know an FS bike like this could be even more fun...

    Climbing on the 111 DL seated or standing is on par with other bikes in this category. Very little rear end movement out of the saddle. The long front center works and it doesn't feel odd at all with the short stem. I've climbed the Mc Gill trail in So Cal twice, up to Mt Lukens via Haines canyon once and several climbs in the Verdugo's. I consider myself a strong climber but I switched the ring to a 30t. I sold one to a customer on his XL 111 Dl and we outfitted his with a 28t. Kick ass descender. I switched to a joystick Digger bar with a 25mm rise. I am having trouble using all the rear travel. I have it set up at 30% sag, and ride hard but can't get that last 10mmout of it, even when jumping. I'll play some more with the air. great bike. I love it! mine is 29.5 pounds with XT pedals.

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    I've ridden the carbon hei hei and it's almost too good. amazing xc machine that doesn't svck in the techy. does the 111 dl climb almost as well, but absolutely crush the hei hei in tech and descending? is the hei hei so much better on the up and can it hang reasonably well in the other stuff compared to the 111?

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    i believe this is the new bike that is getting lost in the 650b hype and i've spoken to more than 1 rider that have demoed it - and bought it because it rocked. these same riders also demoed the 650b bikes. I currently own a Satori and have demoed the 153 in moab a couple weeks back. i've LOVED my satori - and it does everything amazingly well - with a bias toward dh for sure - but yet still really climbs well and is quite nimble with its great geo. The 153 was like jumping on my satori - but even easier to ride up, over and down everything - i little less tanky than the satori - maybe some of that smaller wheel size was felt in picking a line and dancing thru stuff versus point and shoot over stuff. i'm keen to see and ride one of these none the less. Keep the reviews and impressions coming - thanks Kona for the awesome bikes they've engineered over the past couple years!

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    I took the Process 111 out for a demo today. First of all, it is HEAVY...could stand a diet in the wheel and tire department. Second...heavy wheels and all it fVcking RIPS! i didnt set any strava records with it, but ,man that thing handles like its on rails. I think if I had one more day to ride it and dial it in I would be killing it on the descent and probably equally fast on the climbs as my XC bike. I am buying one FO' SHO' !!!

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    great review...must try one....thanks eurospek

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    Sound like a fully suspended Honzo!

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    I demoed the DL version (in XL) yesterday, on an hour ride in South Orange County.

    Unfortunately the dropper was broken, the bike shop is having a tremendously bad time with adjusting the demo droppers for various rider heights. I saw this same problem highlighted in the Pinkbike review. For a single rider this probably won't be an issue, set it once and forget it. Because it was broken, the shop set it at an 'average' height for me.

    Coming from my '10 Stumpy FSR 29er, the climbing proved to be really rough. It was a combination of the 1x11 gearing (.8 vs .6 ratio), the slacker head angle, and lower seat; but I wore myself out on some steep climbs that I'd normally spin up. With a proper seat height and a 32 tooth, I think it would be fine.

    Which is good, because on the flats and downhill, this thing just lit up! It made my Stumpy feel like a tank. I was popping over everything, super stable at speed. It tracked excellent through the little bit of tight single track this ride provided, although a very tight switch back was barely cleared. A loose and steep section was a breeze, I felt super confident and comfortable for a first ride.

    Unfortunately I think the DL is over my budget, so I'd like to get out on the non-DL version. I would definitely have to do something about the gearing, probably a 30 tooth just to match low end with the 1x11. I'd also like to see if it's still as stiff and lively with the heavier weight of the non-DL version (wheels especially).

    I'm 6'6" 200lbs btw, geometry felt great when I was up off the seat, will have to get a demo with a working dropper to really see how she climbs.

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    no worries, nice feedback, thanks.

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    So, I picked up the large size on Friday after taking the XL out on a demo last weekend. For the record I am 6'3" with a 35" inseam. The large has the same effective top tube as the large Honzo I used to own, which was the best feeling bike I had owned to date. I immediately took it to the garage and swapped the wheels for some custom wheels I had built with Arch-EX rims, Hope front hub and White industries rear hub with Schwalbe tires. Saved a bunch of rolling weight over the stock wheels and tires. Not sure how much, but a significant change. Also changed the 34 tooth chainring for a 32 tooth and removed the stupid chainguide. lastly, I swapped the 40mm stem for a 50mm. The stock KS internal post has major issues, so the shop loaned me a Crank bros. dropper until a Reverb stealth comes in. I rode about 20 miles on Saturday just trying to dial it in with shock pressure and settings. Felt very good, but not "just right". After some tinkering Saturday night I took it back out on Sunday and just fell in love with it. It is an amazingly capable bike for a "short travel" 29er. The 111mm feels like much more when needed, but not "too much" when climbing. I have grown to hate the feeling of a long travel bike, but I still love to hang it out on the descent. This thing fits the bill perfectly. with the changes I made, it feels close to an XC bike on the climbs and flats and rips the descent almost like an all-mountain bike. is it the best climber? Not really. but it is no slouch either. Is it as capable as a six inch all-mountain bike on the descent??? Probably not, But it splits the difference so well I could not ask for more. I had so much fun on this thing over the weekend, I am seriously considering calling in sick on wednesday to ride some more before the snow comes. If you like to ride up AND down the mountain, this is a GREAT bike. It is just plain fun to ride. As a frame of reference I consider myself an XC rider that loves to go downhill as fast as possible. I live and ride in beautiful Bend, Oregon and I have been riding a 2012 Kona Hei Hei with a 120mm fork for the past two years.

    P.S. the Process is so good, I am selling the Hei Hei.
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    ^^^^^^selling hei hei for the 111 and are an xc rider. thank you for yer input. I was thinking the same thing

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    Anyone else notice in the kona site pics on the top tube where it says "process 111" it also has an "a" ....does this mean there will be a "c" at some point?


    Really looking hard at this bike as a full suspension complement to my N9...

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    I can't wait to get mine!
    Already have a couple key upgrades which are gonna make it a killer bike!

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    Pretty much nailed that... the ONLY reason i'm in waiting is for the Process "C" lineup

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    "c" incoming. alu rear end still maybe

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob1035 View Post
    Anyone else notice in the kona site pics on the top tube where it says "process 111" it also has an "a" ....does this mean there will be a "c" at some point?


    Really looking hard at this bike as a full suspension complement to my N9...
    I've had the 111 as a demo for the last 3 days and can confirm it is a FS version of my N9. You will not be disappointed. Don't be turned away by "only 111mm" of travel. It feels bottomless in fact like someone noted above, I haven't been able to use all the travel. Very impressed and so much so I see a new bike being added to my quiver.
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    Process 111 DL Nominated for Pinkbike’s Best MTB of the Year

    THE KONA COG | Process 111 DL Nominated for Pinkbike?s Best MTB of the Year | Kona COG

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    The price jump to DL and the 1x11 is pretty significant (and puts the bike firmly out of range for me).

    The straight 111 1x10 gearing, however, doesn't fit my style or location (So Cal) well either.

    Saw this new 42-tooth sprocket hit the market today, however, which is compatible with the 1x10 x9 on the 111. Check it out:

    OneUP Components 42-tooth sprocket – first look - BikeRadar

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    might be the game changer I've been looking for as well - for the non-DL 111 (or 134/DL) - once a demo ride-off occurs - leaves lots of budget for lighter stiffer wheel upgrade

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    Spent the last couple afternoons touring around North Van on a demo 111. This was my first significant amount of time on any 29, so keep that in mind.

    Background - The last couple years have seen me riding a Banshee Spitfire then Chilcotin for everything (Shuttles, epics, Bike Park). DH rig was collecting dust till I sold it. I like beefy, grippy tires and coil forks. I am not the fasted guy, or huck the most, but I am pretty clean and like a lot of feedback from my bikes (I can slay Goats Gully on a hardtail, but even on a DH bike, I'm the one holding everyone up on A Line).

    My initial concerns with the 111 was the tiny fork and 'pinner' tires. On a frosty North Shore afternoon, low pressure, grabby meats are what you want to roll on.

    The Trails - Typical was 45 min climbs on smooth trails, with a few punchy tech bits sprinkled in. Descents were what you would expect, steep gnarly, rooty and eroded with some fast and flowy frozen gold in between.

    The Ride - while climbing, I couldn't help but think what it would be like to ride the same set-up, but only in 26. On the tech stuff, it required more energy to speed up to get over things, but once I had the momentum, it rolled over the obstacle a lot easier than a 26 (this will be a common theme). It climbed find, but I am a guy who would rather suffer on the climb, in order to have more fun on the descent.

    I already had the feeling that the bike did not handle well at low speeds, so I was a little concerned as the first 2 corners are steep, loose and tight. It also occurred to me, as I entered the 1st turn, that the creek I splashed thru earlier coated the brakes in ice. With a fresh load in my shorts, I strong armed the first corner, and shot out awkwardly into the second where muscle memory took over. With a prayer I let the bike go, and gave it a heavy lean in the corner. That's when I learned slow is bad, fast is good.

    Although I was holding back a bit, because I did not want to owe Kona a new set of wheels, when you get this bike up to the right speed (or amount of momentum) it is super fun. To use the cliche 'It descends like a DH' is not accurate. At speed, it is stable like a big bike, but the feeling is very different. You can really feel the trail, without getting having the crap beat out of you. The lightness of the bike is so noticeable without being twitchy. it was effortless. Hard to explain, not better, not worse, just different.

    My original concerns of the 'little' fork and pinner tires were not an issue, which was an absolute shock, as I usually throw a hissy if my own set up is out be a psi or two.

    One thing that really surprised me was how much work it was to pump and work the terrain if you were moving just below the 'fun speed threshold', and how downright annoying it was when going slow on techy stuff.

    Overall, I am not sure a 29 is for me (at least not in a 1 bike quiver), but if you live in an area with flowy trails, or are comfortable going fast on the techy stuff this bike is great. If you are a novice with mostly technical trails, you may find the 111 challenging, if not down right sketchy.

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    Anybody know the weight of the frame/shock yet? Anybody tried a 130+ fork yet?

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    I am seriously considering putting a 140mm fork on it (34 or Pike), the frame should more than be able to take it. Would just give it a bit more comfort with the beefier fork as an all-around killer bike. Head angle will be a wee bit slacker and the bb will be a tad higher, but nothing major to worry about

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    New Pikes are waaay better than 34s and Im a long term Fox user

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    After dumping an obscene amount of money into my 111, I have it down to 28.5 lbs. and I don't see it getting any lighter short of carbon wheels. This is a large frame with dropper post, big tires and durable parts, so I am happy with the weight, but I will be the first one in line for the carbon frame when it comes out. Would LOVE to get a bike this capable and fun down to 26-27 lbs.

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    spec list please wasfast!

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    Here ya go:

    Large frame
    Stock Rockshox Revelation Fork
    Stock Raceface Crank w/ aftermarket Raceface narrow-wide 30 tooth ring
    XT trail pedal.
    Stans Arch EX wheelset with 3.30 hubs
    Schwalbe 2.35 nobby nic front, 2.25 racing ralph rear. both tubeless
    Sram XO1 cassette
    Sram XO1 derailleur
    Sram XO1 shifter
    Rockshox Reverb Stealth post
    WTB Volt team saddle
    Renthal Duo split stem
    Chromag Cutlass carbon bars, uncut.
    Oury lock-ons
    SLX brakes with Icetech pads and rotors, 180/160

    ready to roll at 28.65 lbs with dirt.

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    Process 111/111 DL Thread-p4pb10484467.jpg
    got mine, pretty much stock size xl other than the wheels (arch ex on dt 350s). Bars and stem (race face sixc 35 800 and 35mm sixc stem) coming soon...

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    got mine, pretty much stock size xl other than the wheels (arch ex on dt 350s). Bars and stem (race face sixc 35 800 and 35mm sixc stem) coming soon...
    How tall are you? I'm 6-4 and concerned the shorter seat tube will rule this bike out for me...

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    I'm 6' 2" and chose the bigger size because the top tube feels a bit more comfy. It is a pretty big bike though, it's noticeably longer in the wheelbase than pretty much everything else I've had before (even my large operator...). My seat post is pretty much slammed in the frame so there's still lotta room to play for someone taller.
    I won't get to ride that bike for the next 2.5 months due to snow but be sure that as soon as it starts to melt, I'll be out there shredding the living hell out of it

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    So I may have a line on a frameset. I wanted to go complete but I'll take what I can get and this gives me a blank canvas. Was thinking about a lowered Pike but I haven't really seen anyone do this yet. Anyone know what exactly is involved?

    Anyone running 130mm?

    X-Fusion might be the more responsible choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty904 View Post
    So I may have a line on a frameset. I wanted to go complete but I'll take what I can get and this gives me a blank canvas. Was thinking about a lowered Pike but I haven't really seen anyone do this yet. Anyone know what exactly is involved?

    Anyone running 130mm?

    X-Fusion might be the more responsible choice.
    What size are you looking for? There's a guy selling a large complete 111DL on Pinkbike. I considered getting it but I'm the opposite, I'm in need of a frame.

    As far as the fork, I think I'm going to do the same thing. I haven't seen a 130mm yet Pike but I know you can lower the any of the 29" Pikes down to 120mm by swapping out the air shaft. Here is a step by step, it's for a 27.5 Pike but the procedure is the same.

    Regularbob's bike blog: Reducing the Rockshox Pike RCT3 Solo Air travel

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    Quote Originally Posted by matmattmatthew View Post
    What size are you looking for? There's a guy selling a large complete 111DL on Pinkbike. I considered getting it but I'm the opposite, I'm in need of a frame.

    As far as the fork, I think I'm going to do the same thing. I haven't seen a 130mm yet Pike but I know you can lower the any of the 29" Pikes down to 120mm by swapping out the air shaft. Here is a step by step, it's for a 27.5 Pike but the procedure is the same.

    Regularbob's bike blog: Reducing the Rockshox Pike RCT3 Solo Air travel
    Good info there. Sizing is something I'm struggling with a bit. I am 5'11" with a longer torso which in the MTB world seems to be no mans land. I currently ride a canfield yelli screamy in size large. It has...
    622mm ETT
    456mm ST
    I run a 55mm stem and I like the fit a lot. Wouldn't want things any bigger though.
    I'm right in between sizes M and L for the Kona. What sizing does everyone have? Suggestions?

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    i would recommend you ignore the ETT and look at the reach. the ETT is affected by the STA and offset which is probably pretty different for those two frames.

    now the reach of a large yelli screamy is 432

    a medium process is 435

    a large process is 460

    at 5'11" i would say you are solidly in large territory. if you get the medium (which still has a longer reach than your short yelli) you will be getting a bike that is too small and undoing everything kona is trying to do with their "new" fit.

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    Damn, really wish I was able to get on both of them to see which one feels right. I'm not even sure which size my lbs "has a line on". I feel pretty stretched out on the Yelli and I think the "fit" on that bike would be similar. I have an easton haven stem on it marked at 55mm along with 780bars. I'd prefer the large but if I get a chance at a medium than I may have to take it. If it ends up fitting just like the yelli screamy, I'd be pretty happy. I'm very confident on that bike.

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    remember that the process bikes come with 40mm stems too.

    if you have a medium process with a 435 reach and a 55 stem that is 485 total.

    if you have a large process with 460 reach and a 35 stem that is 485 total.

    and for reference the yelli is 432 + 55 is 487.

    so...either of these sizes with stem are close to your yelli setup right now. do you want to ride a bike with a long stem that gets you to the same place as the larger size up with a short stem? that is what you are ultimately deciding.

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    Would probably still rather have a large but it sounds like a medium will work ok too. Good to know I have an option.

    I could run a 50mm stem on the medium and have the same reach as the Yelli. Not too bad.

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    For what it's worth, I've spent several days on both a medium and large. I'm 5'10" with an average reach and I ride a medium Nimble 9 with a 55mm stem so similar set up to your Yelli only med vs lg. My few few days was on the med Process and it felt perfect. Funny thing is, several weeks later I spent a few days on a large and enjoyed it as well. That being said, I plan to go with the med but based on your size and current set up I agree with dogbox- don't undue what Kona has done with the Process by getting too small of a bike. I'm confident you'll feel most at home on a large.
    When I die I'm afraid my wife will sell all of my bikes, parts and gear for what I told her I paid for them.

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