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    Process 111/111 DL Thread

    News, pics, reviews of the new 2014 Process 111/111 DL here!

    I'm seriously considering one, but would love to hear how others are finding the ride. Climbing performance against the descending prowess - can it really do both well?

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    Test rode one for a maybe 10 kms Climbs ok... But holy sheet when you point it down... Super playful going down and eats up bumps well beyond its relatively small 111mm of travel. Long top tube and short stem makes it somewhat awkward for standing climbing. Seated it climbs pretty well. I just received my dl and I will ride it a few times then be switching to a 32 or even a 30 ring so I can climb steep stuff. The base model with 1 x 10 wouldnt work as well for me but if you have fire road or staright forward climbing it should be good.
    When I get some more time on my new ride I will report back.
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    My PROCESS 111 DL size L :
    12,48kgrs without pedals.

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    How did you get a pink one? Super cool.

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    I had the frame repainted

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    Where did you get the decal kit?

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    Mt seat post failed last night. Need to re-cut the housing and get a new cable. Bike is amazing though. Getting used to climbing it. Just got a 32 tooth ring for the front which should make things a bit easier. I may end up with a 30 at some point.
    Handle bar is a bit wide for me so thats getting a slight chop. The bike is crazy fast going down...just sucks up everything. It really does feel like more than 111mm. Really loving it.

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    Anything more you can tell is about the climbing ability? Seated and standing?

    I'm more of a climber but have been improving my descending and general technical riding ability, so I'm wondering how much of my ability to climb will be muted by the suspension action of this bike.

    Currently riding a DB Mason HT with a 150mm Pike and I have really come to enjoy the slack headtube angle, descending and ascending. However I know an FS bike like this could be even more fun...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fleanutz View Post
    Anything more you can tell is about the climbing ability? Seated and standing?

    I'm more of a climber but have been improving my descending and general technical riding ability, so I'm wondering how much of my ability to climb will be muted by the suspension action of this bike.

    Currently riding a DB Mason HT with a 150mm Pike and I have really come to enjoy the slack headtube angle, descending and ascending. However I know an FS bike like this could be even more fun...
    If you already are climbing on your current set up you will have no problem with the process. Seated climbing is fine and I don't touch the shock but when I stand I flick the switch.
    I did some steeper climbs where I had to stand and I'm getting more used to the geometry. Still need to cut my bars which will help me a bit .
    Just switched to a 32 tooth ring so a few steeper climbs should be easier.
    I'm taking it on a big xc ride this morning to see what its like on my ol hardtail trails.

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    I can compare my PROCESS 111DL with my SATORI and with my HONZO:
    The PROCESS is the happy medium between the SATORI and the HONZO during the rises.
    It is close to the SATORI in adhesion and in motricity.
    It is close to the HONZO in dynamism and in explodability.
    In the very stiff rises, it is more effective than the SATORI because the suspension of subsides less and thus the bike gets rid of the ballast from less front.
    In the breakable rises with many of the small rocks, it is less effective than the SATORI because the suspension is firmer and generates a little less adhesion.
    In brief, the PROCESS behaves in the rises as a good bike of XC.

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    I know its not all about the numbers game but for comparisons does anyone have the frame weight and BB height for one of these (large preferably )

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    I ride my friend's Satori last weekend on some of the more challenging trails around here. It performed great, up and down. I also just built up a Honzo and will take it out tomorrow for it's first trail ride. The process line really intrigues me but I am leaning towards the 154.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boude View Post
    I can compare my PROCESS 111DL with my SATORI and with my HONZO:
    The PROCESS is the happy medium between the SATORI and the HONZO during the rises.
    It is close to the SATORI in adhesion and in motricity.
    It is close to the HONZO in dynamism and in explodability.
    In the very stiff rises, it is more effective than the SATORI because the suspension of subsides less and thus the bike gets rid of the ballast from less front.
    In the breakable rises with many of the small rocks, it is less effective than the SATORI because the suspension is firmer and generates a little less adhesion.
    In brief, the PROCESS behaves in the rises as a good bike of XC.
    What's "motricity?"
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fleanutz View Post
    Anything more you can tell is about the climbing ability? Seated and standing?

    I'm more of a climber but have been improving my descending and general technical riding ability, so I'm wondering how much of my ability to climb will be muted by the suspension action of this bike.

    Currently riding a DB Mason HT with a 150mm Pike and I have really come to enjoy the slack headtube angle, descending and ascending. However I know an FS bike like this could be even more fun...

    Climbing on the 111 DL seated or standing is on par with other bikes in this category. Very little rear end movement out of the saddle. The long front center works and it doesn't feel odd at all with the short stem. I've climbed the Mc Gill trail in So Cal twice, up to Mt Lukens via Haines canyon once and several climbs in the Verdugo's. I consider myself a strong climber but I switched the ring to a 30t. I sold one to a customer on his XL 111 Dl and we outfitted his with a 28t. Kick ass descender. I switched to a joystick Digger bar with a 25mm rise. I am having trouble using all the rear travel. I have it set up at 30% sag, and ride hard but can't get that last 10mmout of it, even when jumping. I'll play some more with the air. great bike. I love it! mine is 29.5 pounds with XT pedals.

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    I've ridden the carbon hei hei and it's almost too good. amazing xc machine that doesn't svck in the techy. does the 111 dl climb almost as well, but absolutely crush the hei hei in tech and descending? is the hei hei so much better on the up and can it hang reasonably well in the other stuff compared to the 111?

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    i believe this is the new bike that is getting lost in the 650b hype and i've spoken to more than 1 rider that have demoed it - and bought it because it rocked. these same riders also demoed the 650b bikes. I currently own a Satori and have demoed the 153 in moab a couple weeks back. i've LOVED my satori - and it does everything amazingly well - with a bias toward dh for sure - but yet still really climbs well and is quite nimble with its great geo. The 153 was like jumping on my satori - but even easier to ride up, over and down everything - i little less tanky than the satori - maybe some of that smaller wheel size was felt in picking a line and dancing thru stuff versus point and shoot over stuff. i'm keen to see and ride one of these none the less. Keep the reviews and impressions coming - thanks Kona for the awesome bikes they've engineered over the past couple years!

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    I took the Process 111 out for a demo today. First of all, it is HEAVY...could stand a diet in the wheel and tire department. Second...heavy wheels and all it fVcking RIPS! i didnt set any strava records with it, but ,man that thing handles like its on rails. I think if I had one more day to ride it and dial it in I would be killing it on the descent and probably equally fast on the climbs as my XC bike. I am buying one FO' SHO' !!!

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    great review...must try one....thanks eurospek

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    Sound like a fully suspended Honzo!

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    I demoed the DL version (in XL) yesterday, on an hour ride in South Orange County.

    Unfortunately the dropper was broken, the bike shop is having a tremendously bad time with adjusting the demo droppers for various rider heights. I saw this same problem highlighted in the Pinkbike review. For a single rider this probably won't be an issue, set it once and forget it. Because it was broken, the shop set it at an 'average' height for me.

    Coming from my '10 Stumpy FSR 29er, the climbing proved to be really rough. It was a combination of the 1x11 gearing (.8 vs .6 ratio), the slacker head angle, and lower seat; but I wore myself out on some steep climbs that I'd normally spin up. With a proper seat height and a 32 tooth, I think it would be fine.

    Which is good, because on the flats and downhill, this thing just lit up! It made my Stumpy feel like a tank. I was popping over everything, super stable at speed. It tracked excellent through the little bit of tight single track this ride provided, although a very tight switch back was barely cleared. A loose and steep section was a breeze, I felt super confident and comfortable for a first ride.

    Unfortunately I think the DL is over my budget, so I'd like to get out on the non-DL version. I would definitely have to do something about the gearing, probably a 30 tooth just to match low end with the 1x11. I'd also like to see if it's still as stiff and lively with the heavier weight of the non-DL version (wheels especially).

    I'm 6'6" 200lbs btw, geometry felt great when I was up off the seat, will have to get a demo with a working dropper to really see how she climbs.

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    no worries, nice feedback, thanks.

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    So, I picked up the large size on Friday after taking the XL out on a demo last weekend. For the record I am 6'3" with a 35" inseam. The large has the same effective top tube as the large Honzo I used to own, which was the best feeling bike I had owned to date. I immediately took it to the garage and swapped the wheels for some custom wheels I had built with Arch-EX rims, Hope front hub and White industries rear hub with Schwalbe tires. Saved a bunch of rolling weight over the stock wheels and tires. Not sure how much, but a significant change. Also changed the 34 tooth chainring for a 32 tooth and removed the stupid chainguide. lastly, I swapped the 40mm stem for a 50mm. The stock KS internal post has major issues, so the shop loaned me a Crank bros. dropper until a Reverb stealth comes in. I rode about 20 miles on Saturday just trying to dial it in with shock pressure and settings. Felt very good, but not "just right". After some tinkering Saturday night I took it back out on Sunday and just fell in love with it. It is an amazingly capable bike for a "short travel" 29er. The 111mm feels like much more when needed, but not "too much" when climbing. I have grown to hate the feeling of a long travel bike, but I still love to hang it out on the descent. This thing fits the bill perfectly. with the changes I made, it feels close to an XC bike on the climbs and flats and rips the descent almost like an all-mountain bike. is it the best climber? Not really. but it is no slouch either. Is it as capable as a six inch all-mountain bike on the descent??? Probably not, But it splits the difference so well I could not ask for more. I had so much fun on this thing over the weekend, I am seriously considering calling in sick on wednesday to ride some more before the snow comes. If you like to ride up AND down the mountain, this is a GREAT bike. It is just plain fun to ride. As a frame of reference I consider myself an XC rider that loves to go downhill as fast as possible. I live and ride in beautiful Bend, Oregon and I have been riding a 2012 Kona Hei Hei with a 120mm fork for the past two years.

    P.S. the Process is so good, I am selling the Hei Hei.
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    ^^^^^^selling hei hei for the 111 and are an xc rider. thank you for yer input. I was thinking the same thing

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    Anyone else notice in the kona site pics on the top tube where it says "process 111" it also has an "a" ....does this mean there will be a "c" at some point?


    Really looking hard at this bike as a full suspension complement to my N9...

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    I can't wait to get mine!
    Already have a couple key upgrades which are gonna make it a killer bike!

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    Pretty much nailed that... the ONLY reason i'm in waiting is for the Process "C" lineup

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    "c" incoming. alu rear end still maybe

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob1035 View Post
    Anyone else notice in the kona site pics on the top tube where it says "process 111" it also has an "a" ....does this mean there will be a "c" at some point?


    Really looking hard at this bike as a full suspension complement to my N9...
    I've had the 111 as a demo for the last 3 days and can confirm it is a FS version of my N9. You will not be disappointed. Don't be turned away by "only 111mm" of travel. It feels bottomless in fact like someone noted above, I haven't been able to use all the travel. Very impressed and so much so I see a new bike being added to my quiver.
    When I die I'm afraid my wife will sell all of my bikes, parts and gear for what I told her I paid for them.

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    Process 111 DL Nominated for Pinkbike’s Best MTB of the Year

    THE KONA COG | Process 111 DL Nominated for Pinkbike?s Best MTB of the Year | Kona COG

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    The price jump to DL and the 1x11 is pretty significant (and puts the bike firmly out of range for me).

    The straight 111 1x10 gearing, however, doesn't fit my style or location (So Cal) well either.

    Saw this new 42-tooth sprocket hit the market today, however, which is compatible with the 1x10 x9 on the 111. Check it out:

    OneUP Components 42-tooth sprocket – first look - BikeRadar

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    might be the game changer I've been looking for as well - for the non-DL 111 (or 134/DL) - once a demo ride-off occurs - leaves lots of budget for lighter stiffer wheel upgrade

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    Spent the last couple afternoons touring around North Van on a demo 111. This was my first significant amount of time on any 29, so keep that in mind.

    Background - The last couple years have seen me riding a Banshee Spitfire then Chilcotin for everything (Shuttles, epics, Bike Park). DH rig was collecting dust till I sold it. I like beefy, grippy tires and coil forks. I am not the fasted guy, or huck the most, but I am pretty clean and like a lot of feedback from my bikes (I can slay Goats Gully on a hardtail, but even on a DH bike, I'm the one holding everyone up on A Line).

    My initial concerns with the 111 was the tiny fork and 'pinner' tires. On a frosty North Shore afternoon, low pressure, grabby meats are what you want to roll on.

    The Trails - Typical was 45 min climbs on smooth trails, with a few punchy tech bits sprinkled in. Descents were what you would expect, steep gnarly, rooty and eroded with some fast and flowy frozen gold in between.

    The Ride - while climbing, I couldn't help but think what it would be like to ride the same set-up, but only in 26. On the tech stuff, it required more energy to speed up to get over things, but once I had the momentum, it rolled over the obstacle a lot easier than a 26 (this will be a common theme). It climbed find, but I am a guy who would rather suffer on the climb, in order to have more fun on the descent.

    I already had the feeling that the bike did not handle well at low speeds, so I was a little concerned as the first 2 corners are steep, loose and tight. It also occurred to me, as I entered the 1st turn, that the creek I splashed thru earlier coated the brakes in ice. With a fresh load in my shorts, I strong armed the first corner, and shot out awkwardly into the second where muscle memory took over. With a prayer I let the bike go, and gave it a heavy lean in the corner. That's when I learned slow is bad, fast is good.

    Although I was holding back a bit, because I did not want to owe Kona a new set of wheels, when you get this bike up to the right speed (or amount of momentum) it is super fun. To use the cliche 'It descends like a DH' is not accurate. At speed, it is stable like a big bike, but the feeling is very different. You can really feel the trail, without getting having the crap beat out of you. The lightness of the bike is so noticeable without being twitchy. it was effortless. Hard to explain, not better, not worse, just different.

    My original concerns of the 'little' fork and pinner tires were not an issue, which was an absolute shock, as I usually throw a hissy if my own set up is out be a psi or two.

    One thing that really surprised me was how much work it was to pump and work the terrain if you were moving just below the 'fun speed threshold', and how downright annoying it was when going slow on techy stuff.

    Overall, I am not sure a 29 is for me (at least not in a 1 bike quiver), but if you live in an area with flowy trails, or are comfortable going fast on the techy stuff this bike is great. If you are a novice with mostly technical trails, you may find the 111 challenging, if not down right sketchy.

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    Anybody know the weight of the frame/shock yet? Anybody tried a 130+ fork yet?

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    I am seriously considering putting a 140mm fork on it (34 or Pike), the frame should more than be able to take it. Would just give it a bit more comfort with the beefier fork as an all-around killer bike. Head angle will be a wee bit slacker and the bb will be a tad higher, but nothing major to worry about

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    New Pikes are waaay better than 34s and Im a long term Fox user

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    After dumping an obscene amount of money into my 111, I have it down to 28.5 lbs. and I don't see it getting any lighter short of carbon wheels. This is a large frame with dropper post, big tires and durable parts, so I am happy with the weight, but I will be the first one in line for the carbon frame when it comes out. Would LOVE to get a bike this capable and fun down to 26-27 lbs.

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    spec list please wasfast!

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    Here ya go:

    Large frame
    Stock Rockshox Revelation Fork
    Stock Raceface Crank w/ aftermarket Raceface narrow-wide 30 tooth ring
    XT trail pedal.
    Stans Arch EX wheelset with 3.30 hubs
    Schwalbe 2.35 nobby nic front, 2.25 racing ralph rear. both tubeless
    Sram XO1 cassette
    Sram XO1 derailleur
    Sram XO1 shifter
    Rockshox Reverb Stealth post
    WTB Volt team saddle
    Renthal Duo split stem
    Chromag Cutlass carbon bars, uncut.
    Oury lock-ons
    SLX brakes with Icetech pads and rotors, 180/160

    ready to roll at 28.65 lbs with dirt.

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    Process 111/111 DL Thread-p4pb10484467.jpg
    got mine, pretty much stock size xl other than the wheels (arch ex on dt 350s). Bars and stem (race face sixc 35 800 and 35mm sixc stem) coming soon...

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    got mine, pretty much stock size xl other than the wheels (arch ex on dt 350s). Bars and stem (race face sixc 35 800 and 35mm sixc stem) coming soon...
    How tall are you? I'm 6-4 and concerned the shorter seat tube will rule this bike out for me...

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    I'm 6' 2" and chose the bigger size because the top tube feels a bit more comfy. It is a pretty big bike though, it's noticeably longer in the wheelbase than pretty much everything else I've had before (even my large operator...). My seat post is pretty much slammed in the frame so there's still lotta room to play for someone taller.
    I won't get to ride that bike for the next 2.5 months due to snow but be sure that as soon as it starts to melt, I'll be out there shredding the living hell out of it

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    So I may have a line on a frameset. I wanted to go complete but I'll take what I can get and this gives me a blank canvas. Was thinking about a lowered Pike but I haven't really seen anyone do this yet. Anyone know what exactly is involved?

    Anyone running 130mm?

    X-Fusion might be the more responsible choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty904 View Post
    So I may have a line on a frameset. I wanted to go complete but I'll take what I can get and this gives me a blank canvas. Was thinking about a lowered Pike but I haven't really seen anyone do this yet. Anyone know what exactly is involved?

    Anyone running 130mm?

    X-Fusion might be the more responsible choice.
    What size are you looking for? There's a guy selling a large complete 111DL on Pinkbike. I considered getting it but I'm the opposite, I'm in need of a frame.

    As far as the fork, I think I'm going to do the same thing. I haven't seen a 130mm yet Pike but I know you can lower the any of the 29" Pikes down to 120mm by swapping out the air shaft. Here is a step by step, it's for a 27.5 Pike but the procedure is the same.

    Regularbob's bike blog: Reducing the Rockshox Pike RCT3 Solo Air travel

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    Quote Originally Posted by matmattmatthew View Post
    What size are you looking for? There's a guy selling a large complete 111DL on Pinkbike. I considered getting it but I'm the opposite, I'm in need of a frame.

    As far as the fork, I think I'm going to do the same thing. I haven't seen a 130mm yet Pike but I know you can lower the any of the 29" Pikes down to 120mm by swapping out the air shaft. Here is a step by step, it's for a 27.5 Pike but the procedure is the same.

    Regularbob's bike blog: Reducing the Rockshox Pike RCT3 Solo Air travel
    Good info there. Sizing is something I'm struggling with a bit. I am 5'11" with a longer torso which in the MTB world seems to be no mans land. I currently ride a canfield yelli screamy in size large. It has...
    622mm ETT
    456mm ST
    I run a 55mm stem and I like the fit a lot. Wouldn't want things any bigger though.
    I'm right in between sizes M and L for the Kona. What sizing does everyone have? Suggestions?

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    i would recommend you ignore the ETT and look at the reach. the ETT is affected by the STA and offset which is probably pretty different for those two frames.

    now the reach of a large yelli screamy is 432

    a medium process is 435

    a large process is 460

    at 5'11" i would say you are solidly in large territory. if you get the medium (which still has a longer reach than your short yelli) you will be getting a bike that is too small and undoing everything kona is trying to do with their "new" fit.

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    Damn, really wish I was able to get on both of them to see which one feels right. I'm not even sure which size my lbs "has a line on". I feel pretty stretched out on the Yelli and I think the "fit" on that bike would be similar. I have an easton haven stem on it marked at 55mm along with 780bars. I'd prefer the large but if I get a chance at a medium than I may have to take it. If it ends up fitting just like the yelli screamy, I'd be pretty happy. I'm very confident on that bike.

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    remember that the process bikes come with 40mm stems too.

    if you have a medium process with a 435 reach and a 55 stem that is 485 total.

    if you have a large process with 460 reach and a 35 stem that is 485 total.

    and for reference the yelli is 432 + 55 is 487.

    so...either of these sizes with stem are close to your yelli setup right now. do you want to ride a bike with a long stem that gets you to the same place as the larger size up with a short stem? that is what you are ultimately deciding.

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    Would probably still rather have a large but it sounds like a medium will work ok too. Good to know I have an option.

    I could run a 50mm stem on the medium and have the same reach as the Yelli. Not too bad.

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    For what it's worth, I've spent several days on both a medium and large. I'm 5'10" with an average reach and I ride a medium Nimble 9 with a 55mm stem so similar set up to your Yelli only med vs lg. My few few days was on the med Process and it felt perfect. Funny thing is, several weeks later I spent a few days on a large and enjoyed it as well. That being said, I plan to go with the med but based on your size and current set up I agree with dogbox- don't undue what Kona has done with the Process by getting too small of a bike. I'm confident you'll feel most at home on a large.
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    Well the shop came through and found a frame. Bad news is it's a medium. This might be my only opportunity to nab one of these things before next year. I hope the medium will work out for me. Reach is slightly longer than on the elli so I think I'll feel alright with a 50mm stem.

    Now I have to work out the fork. I'm thinking lowered Pike but still considering the X-Fusion and the revelation. Not sure if I'll do a little extra travel in the front.

    Wonder if there is a way I can change the color without voiding the warranty? I am really not a fan of the red.

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    rusty.. a local shop here in santa barbara has a L 111 in stock..(at least it did just a few days ago).. I dont think i can post shop names here in the forum---so message me and ill send you their number..

    ps..im not affiliated with the shop in anyway--so no spam here..just saw the bike on the rack and trying to help..

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    Well I went with the medium my shop could get. They gave me a pretty good discount and they promised if I did not like the fit they would take it back. We shall see how it goes!

    Thanks for the suggestions everyone!

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    Starting up my build and I have one more question. Should I get the 380mm reverb or the 420? I'm riding a medium and have a 32" inseam.

    Kona doesn't list the travel of the KS post but I assume it's 125mm. I had a 125mm post on my Norco sight and it was more than enough drop. Just wondering if 125 will be enough with the Kona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty904 View Post
    Starting up my build and I have one more question. Should I get the 380mm reverb or the 420? I'm riding a medium and have a 32" inseam.

    Kona doesn't list the travel of the KS post but I assume it's 125mm. I had a 125mm post on my Norco sight and it was more than enough drop. Just wondering if 125 will be enough with the Kona.
    I'm not sure about the total length of the post but the 111DL complete comes with the 150mm drop LEV.

    I have a Large on the way and to be safe I'm going to get the longest post available with the most drop available. I'm still not sure if I'm going with the Reverb of LEV yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogbox View Post
    remember that the process bikes come with 40mm stems too.

    if you have a medium process with a 435 reach and a 55 stem that is 485 total.

    if you have a large process with 460 reach and a 35 stem that is 485 total.

    and for reference the yelli is 432 + 55 is 487.

    so...either of these sizes with stem are close to your yelli setup right now. do you want to ride a bike with a long stem that gets you to the same place as the larger size up with a short stem? that is what you are ultimately deciding.
    Actually, if you have a large process with 460 reach and a 35 stem that is 495 total, not 485.

    Wanted to clear that up b/c we are being so technical on sizing. Im in the same boat as everyone trying to figure which size to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NHMB View Post
    Actually, if you have a large process with 460 reach and a 35 stem that is 495 total, not 485.

    Wanted to clear that up b/c we are being so technical on sizing. Im in the same boat as everyone trying to figure which size to get.
    oops, i messed up some other math in there, must of been in a hurry when i posted that.

    medium 435 reach plus 55 stem is 490

    large 460 reach plus 35 stem is 495

    if you put a 60mm stem on a medium process you are at 495 which means you could have the same reach as a large with a 35.

    ok, that is what i originally meant to say, just need to make sure i can add first

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    this a xpost from 29 parts forum...

    HI,
    I have a process 111 frame on order.

    i'm now trying to find a good fork for it.
    I would love a pike but my budget is getting a bit tight so I have to rule it out.

    I have a good deal on a xfusion trace direct from the distributer around here. reviews so far are excellent, people seem to say that it compares to the pike. being a less known company for me I less incline to go that route but i'm tempted.

    I can also get a great deal on a rock shox revelation. but would need to put extra $$ to lower it to 120mm wich would bring me closer to the trace price.

    both fork gets good reviews,
    i'm 200lbs , ride fairly aggressive and love technical trails.

    i'm wondering if someone has experience with both fork and could help me choose ?
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    I'm 6'1 & 1/2" currently on a large honzo with 70mm stem. That said, I think the short seat post length on the process is going to push me into an XL. If anyone knows where I can find an XL frame please shoot me a PM.

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    My frame showed up today and it looks pretty darn good! I'm still not a fan of the color but it's definitely better than the pictures show. Paint quality is good but not great, there's some noticeable fade and some unfinished spots around the pivot bearings. I'm going to see if the color grows on me and if it doesn't, I might soda blast the front end and leave it raw.

    For those of you that are interested my size M frame weighed 7.62lbs with Maxle and the seatclamp.

    A few things I noticed...

    -Looks like the internal routing is only for cable actuated posts. Did those of you that run a reverb drill it out? I'm kind of afraid to do this on a brand new frame but I already have the reverb.

    -There are some bolt on cable guides on the non drive side top tube. Assuming these are for a non-stealth dropper post? Can't think of any other use for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty904 View Post
    My frame showed up today and it looks pretty darn good! I'm still not a fan of the color but it's definitely better than the pictures show. Paint quality is good but not great, there's some noticeable fade and some unfinished spots around the pivot bearings. I'm going to see if the color grows on me and if it doesn't, I might soda blast the front end and leave it raw.
    That's funny about the missing painted spots, my Honzo is missing paint on the left chainstay yoke/BB area. And I say raw ftw!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty904 View Post
    My frame showed up today and it looks pretty darn good! I'm still not a fan of the color but it's definitely better than the pictures show. Paint quality is good but not great, there's some noticeable fade and some unfinished spots around the pivot bearings. I'm going to see if the color grows on me and if it doesn't, I might soda blast the front end and leave it raw.

    For those of you that are interested my size M frame weighed 7.62lbs with Maxle and the seatclamp.

    A few things I noticed...

    -Looks like the internal routing is only for cable actuated posts. Did those of you that run a reverb drill it out? I'm kind of afraid to do this on a brand new frame but I already have the reverb.

    -There are some bolt on cable guides on the non drive side top tube. Assuming these are for a non-stealth dropper post? Can't think of any other use for them.
    Yes the Process has routing for stealth and non-stealth posts.

    Regarding the hole for the Reverb, I really hope it I don't have to drill it out. I just bought a Reverb Stealth for my frame because I heard about a few bad experiences with the LEV integra. I think the Pinkbike reviewers had so many issues with the LEV that they swapped it out on their test bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    That's funny about the missing painted spots, my Honzo is missing paint on the left chainstay yoke/BB area. And I say raw ftw!!



    I've been contemplating either stripping or powdercoating my frame when it arrives, does anyone know if this voids the warranty? I know specialized usually had a provision in their warranty about "non-factory paint."

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    Quote Originally Posted by matmattmatthew View Post
    Yes the Process has routing for stealth and non-stealth posts.

    Regarding the hole for the Reverb, I really hope it I don't have to drill it out. I just bought a Reverb Stealth for my frame because I heard about a few bad experiences with the LEV integra. I think the Pinkbike reviewers had so many issues with the LEV that they swapped it out on their test bike.


    I've been contemplating either stripping or powdercoating my frame when it arrives, does anyone know if this voids the warranty? I know specialized usually had a provision in their warranty about "non-factory paint."
    Yeah I was wondering the same thing. I may contact Kona but I think I know what their answer will be. I'm sure they will take any way to relieve themselves of liability that they can. Not a fan of the color or the quality of the factory paint and that raw looks pretty sexy. May leave the rear end on mine black but I'm not sure.

    I got the reverb stealth for the same reasons you did. It looks like drilling may be the only option. I have seen at least one on this thread with a reverb so I wanted to see how they did it.

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    Take the hose off the remote side, not the post side. It will fit through the hole no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotth72 View Post
    Take the hose off the remote side, not the post side. It will fit through the hole no problem.
    Unless I'm missing something there's no way anything other than a cable will fit through that hole. Don't know if this picture shows it well but it's the best I could do. The didn't change the frames mid model year did they?
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    I hope you guys know that the hole there is for the derailleur cable and not the dropper… The dropper goes on the top of the down tube with the brake cable, hence why there's two cable slots on those little guides on the top tube

    The hole you're pointing at is for the derailleur cable to flow through, kona was even intelligent to put a guide inside the frame so you don't have to fish your cable out ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty904 View Post
    Unless I'm missing something there's no way anything other than a cable will fit through that hole. Don't know if this picture shows it well but it's the best I could do. The didn't change the frames mid model year did they?
    You have the wrong hole. Look on the front of the seat tube. The new frames have the hole moved higher than the first batch. I will take a picture of mine tomorrow. I am sure the Lev or Reverb with internal routing will work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona_Stuff View Post
    I hope you guys know that the hole there is for the derailleur cable and not the dropper… The dropper goes on the top of the down tube with the brake cable, hence why there's two cable slots on those little guides on the top tube

    The hole you're pointing at is for the derailleur cable to flow through, kona was even intelligent to put a guide inside the frame so you don't have to fish your cable out ...
    Ah yes. That makes sense, haha I'm an idiot.

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    So I'm all done with my build for now and I'm pretty pleased overall. I've never gone anywhere near this high end on a build but I worked very hard over the last few months scrounging for great component deals. Ended up with a bunch of Take-off parts and significantly better value than the factory DL build. I'll provide some details and impressions in a bit. In the meantime, here's a pic!
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    Looks great! I'm about to start that process..got a frame sitting on the couch, but few parts. What dropper post did are you using? I'll be looking forward to impressions and your build list.

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    Any 6'1" process owners here? If so what size are you riding. Trying to decide what size works best before making a purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chowdapilot View Post
    Any 6'1" process owners here? If so what size are you riding. Trying to decide what size works best before making a purchase.
    I def going to say large. Im 5'10 with a 32 inseam. Im even leaning towards a large with a 35mm stem. I just tried the med and although the fit was ok. I felt a little cramped. My knees felt too high up. Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty904 View Post
    So I'm all done with my build for now and I'm pretty pleased overall. I've never gone anywhere near this high end on a build but I worked very hard over the last few months scrounging for great component deals. Ended up with a bunch of Take-off parts and significantly better value than the factory DL build. I'll provide some details and impressions in a bit. In the meantime, here's a pic!
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    Very nice.
    What fork is that, a 120-mm Rev?
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    That's definitely a Pike.
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    Ok, so I did a long ride over the weekend and I've got some thoughts and my current build list. I'll start with the build.

    -Fork: Pike Currently set at 140mm
    -Drivetrain: X01 W/32T wolftooth direct mount
    -Wheels: Light Bicycle AM Carbon with hope hubs, Nobby Nic SS 2.35 F, Rocket Ron SS 2.25R
    -Brakes: X0 Trail W/Hope Rotors
    -Cockpit: Reverb Stealth post, Silverado saddle, 55mm Haven Stem, CB Opium DH bars, RF Half Nelson Grips

    It ended up weighing in at almost exactly 27lbs w/out pedals. I'm going to swap out the tires for a Specialized Butcher up front and a Purgatory in the rear. I think more aggressive tires will suit the bike better. I'm also going to swap out the bars for something in carbon and with less back sweep. Also I may add an MRP AMG or blackspire bruiser to protect my chainring.

    And for the ride impressions. I'm coming off a Canfield Yelli Screamy in size large and a Norco Sight Killer B in M which I sold to get this. If I had to sum up, this bike is pretty much a Yelli Screamy with some squish out back. For those of you that haven't ridden a Canfield I'll provide a bit more detail.

    Fit/Geo: I'm definitely on the upper edge of the medium size at 5'10 3/4" and regretfully I have to run a 55mm stem to make the cockpit work for me. I think I'd be a little happier on a large but I'm pretty comfortable anyway. I get they were going for an ultra low frame but the seattube is unnecessarily short. I don't have the longest legs but the reverb looks a bit goofy at full height. Doesn't seem to affect performance, just a bit strange. The long TT gives me enough room but once again a large would be better. I'm a big believer in the benefits of short chainstays and my beliefs were confirmed yet again on this bike. The short rear end lets me know what the back wheel is doing all the time, makes jumps a lot more comfortable, adds grip on the climbs, and just gives a general feeling of nimbleness without compromising stability.

    Suspension
    The suspension has a nice solid ramp up without being harsh. It's difficult to get full travel but I think that's by design. It deals pretty well with small chop but can be a bit harsh on square edge bumps. I'm unfairly comparing it to my Norco but I do feel that they are on to something with their rearward axle path. Single pivot is a compromise in this area. The suspension really shines on soaking up drops and harsh jump landings. It also does a great job working with the short stays to keep the rear end super planted on climbs although you will want to use the platform switch if you really want to stand up and hammer. Although I wasn't aware of heel rub with pedaling, the seatstays rub the inside of the ankles when they compress under hard cornering. It actually kinda hurt a couple times.

    I have my bike paired up with the 140mm Pike. Even though I've never ridden it with a 120mm fork, I get the clear feeling the front end is a bit higher and slacker than it's meant to be. It's not necessarily a bad feeling, the bike doesn't feel unbalanced, but you are "aware" of it. I think it says a lot that the 111mm rear end can keep up with the best 140mm fork ever made (IMO!). The only downside is that I have to "hug the stem" quite a bit on climbs to keep the front end from floating. I'll probably end up lowering the fork in the near future.

    I think Pinkbike covered the descending characteristics well but to sum up, the bike never made me forget it only had 111mm of travel yet I felt way more comfortable descending on it than I had a right to. It was loads of fun!


    That was a lot more long winded than I intended it to be and I still probably left some stuff out but there ya go!

    If anyone wants has the opposite problem and wants to swap a L for a M let me know! Otherwise I will happily carry on with a 55mm stem.

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    Nice writeup..thanks. Would you lower the pike to 120mm or maybe try 130mm?

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    Awesome review!!!
    Thank you for telling us what you have on the bike, the weight and thoughts. Really informative.
    Quote Originally Posted by rusty904 View Post
    Ok, so I did a long ride over the weekend and I've got some thoughts and my current build list. I'll start with the build.

    -Fork: Pike Currently set at 140mm
    -Drivetrain: X01 W/32T wolftooth direct mount
    -Wheels: Light Bicycle AM Carbon with hope hubs, Nobby Nic SS 2.35 F, Rocket Ron SS 2.25R
    -Brakes: X0 Trail W/Hope Rotors
    -Cockpit: Reverb Stealth post, Silverado saddle, 55mm Haven Stem, CB Opium DH bars, RF Half Nelson Grips

    It ended up weighing in at almost exactly 27lbs w/out pedals. I'm going to swap out the tires for a Specialized Butcher up front and a Purgatory in the rear. I think more aggressive tires will suit the bike better. I'm also going to swap out the bars for something in carbon and with less back sweep. Also I may add an MRP AMG or blackspire bruiser to protect my chainring.

    And for the ride impressions. I'm coming off a Canfield Yelli Screamy in size large and a Norco Sight Killer B in M which I sold to get this. If I had to sum up, this bike is pretty much a Yelli Screamy with some squish out back. For those of you that haven't ridden a Canfield I'll provide a bit more detail.

    Fit/Geo: I'm definitely on the upper edge of the medium size at 5'10 3/4" and regretfully I have to run a 55mm stem to make the cockpit work for me. I think I'd be a little happier on a large but I'm pretty comfortable anyway. I get they were going for an ultra low frame but the seattube is unnecessarily short. I don't have the longest legs but the reverb looks a bit goofy at full height. Doesn't seem to affect performance, just a bit strange. The long TT gives me enough room but once again a large would be better. I'm a big believer in the benefits of short chainstays and my beliefs were confirmed yet again on this bike. The short rear end lets me know what the back wheel is doing all the time, makes jumps a lot more comfortable, adds grip on the climbs, and just gives a general feeling of nimbleness without compromising stability.

    Suspension
    The suspension has a nice solid ramp up without being harsh. It's difficult to get full travel but I think that's by design. It deals pretty well with small chop but can be a bit harsh on square edge bumps. I'm unfairly comparing it to my Norco but I do feel that they are on to something with their rearward axle path. Single pivot is a compromise in this area. The suspension really shines on soaking up drops and harsh jump landings. It also does a great job working with the short stays to keep the rear end super planted on climbs although you will want to use the platform switch if you really want to stand up and hammer. Although I wasn't aware of heel rub with pedaling, the seatstays rub the inside of the ankles when they compress under hard cornering. It actually kinda hurt a couple times.

    I have my bike paired up with the 140mm Pike. Even though I've never ridden it with a 120mm fork, I get the clear feeling the front end is a bit higher and slacker than it's meant to be. It's not necessarily a bad feeling, the bike doesn't feel unbalanced, but you are "aware" of it. I think it says a lot that the 111mm rear end can keep up with the best 140mm fork ever made (IMO!). The only downside is that I have to "hug the stem" quite a bit on climbs to keep the front end from floating. I'll probably end up lowering the fork in the near future.

    I think Pinkbike covered the descending characteristics well but to sum up, the bike never made me forget it only had 111mm of travel yet I felt way more comfortable descending on it than I had a right to. It was loads of fun!


    That was a lot more long winded than I intended it to be and I still probably left some stuff out but there ya go!

    If anyone wants has the opposite problem and wants to swap a L for a M let me know! Otherwise I will happily carry on with a 55mm stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripley View Post
    Nice writeup..thanks. Would you lower the pike to 120mm or maybe try 130mm?
    If 130mm is an option I'd probably go that route. I know you can mod the pike to 120mm but can you lower it in 10mm increments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty904 View Post
    If 130mm is an option I'd probably go that route. I know you can mod the pike to 120mm but can you lower it in 10mm increments?
    My understanding is that there are air shaft assemblies for 120mm & 130mm. I've seen the 120mm in stock at, for example Bikeman, but haven't come across the 130mm in stock anywhere. Haven't looked very hard yet, though. I've got a Pike on the way and trying to decide which travel to try, since it's a ~$40 invesment to change travel.

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    for those of you that already have their process(waiting on my frame), what kind of rear axle does it use? I know its 142x12 but is it maxle? or something else?.
    maybe a pic of it?

    thanks
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    'tis a maxle.

    Quote Originally Posted by tartosuc View Post
    for those of you that already have their process(waiting on my frame), what kind of rear axle does it use? I know its 142x12 but is it maxle? or something else?.
    maybe a pic of it?

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by tartosuc View Post
    for those of you that already have their process(waiting on my frame), what kind of rear axle does it use? I know its 142x12 but is it maxle? or something else?.
    maybe a pic of it?

    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripley View Post
    My understanding is that there are air shaft assemblies for 120mm & 130mm. I've seen the 120mm in stock at, for example Bikeman, but haven't come across the 130mm in stock anywhere. Haven't looked very hard yet, though. I've got a Pike on the way and trying to decide which travel to try, since it's a ~$40 invesment to change travel.
    My Pike with the 130 air shaft. Started as a 150.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdqmach26 View Post
    My Pike with the 130 air shaft. Started as a 150.
    Nice! So what's your impression @ 130mm. And what size frame?

    Any info will help, as I'm trying to make the 120 or 130mm decision with my pike + Large 111 frame.

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    Will also post this to 153 DL thread. This is for the 111 DL owners. There was story on the pinkbike that KS has come up with upgrade to their LEV Integra seatpost, that doesn't require moving of the cable housing. Acoording to the article This update should be free for those who own it already. I contaced KS about this but didn't get any response. Anyone else heard anything about this?
    Its at the end of this article -> First Look: VP, Biknd, KS - Taipei Show 2014 - Pinkbike

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    So this sizing dilemma is killing me. After a little more pedaling the bike I'm convinced it's just a bit to small. Even worse, the LBS seems to be going back on their promise to take it back. They just want me to put on a 70mm stem! To me that kind of defeats the purpose of the bike. It's so damn close to the right size but it's just that little bit cramped and it bothers me. Maybe I'm just being too picky.

    Anyway, if anyone is interested in a medium frame in perfect condition, shoot me a PM, I think I may have to size up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripley View Post
    Nice! So what's your impression @ 130mm. And what size frame?

    Any info will help, as I'm trying to make the 120 or 130mm decision with my pike + Large 111 frame.
    I am also quite interested!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripley View Post
    Nice! So what's your impression @ 130mm. And what size frame?

    Any info will help, as I'm trying to make the 120 or 130mm decision with my pike + Large 111 frame.
    I have only ridden up the street,off curbs etc.. The pike seems to be just as plush as when I had it at 150. I may go ride it on trails tomorrow. The frame is an XL. I put the 130 air shaft in, because I could not find a 120 yet. If I don't like it, I may switch it out when the 120 becomes available

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty904 View Post
    So this sizing dilemma is killing me. After a little more pedaling the bike I'm convinced it's just a bit to small. Even worse, the LBS seems to be going back on their promise to take it back. They just want me to put on a 70mm stem! To me that kind of defeats the purpose of the bike. It's so damn close to the right size but it's just that little bit cramped and it bothers me. Maybe I'm just being too picky.

    Anyway, if anyone is interested in a medium frame in perfect condition, shoot me a PM, I think I may have to size up.
    dont put a 70mm stem on it!! i would say just sell it and get a new one in the next size up, i am sure it will be easy to sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdqmach26 View Post
    I have only ridden up the street,off curbs etc.. The pike seems to be just as plush as when I had it at 150. I may go ride it on trails tomorrow. The frame is an XL. I put the 130 air shaft in, because I could not find a 120 yet. If I don't like it, I may switch it out when the 120 becomes available
    Thanks for the info. Definitely let us know how it feels on the trail. Did you add tokens going to 130mm? I see that 3 tokens are recommended for 130mm. Looks like 1 token for 150mm.

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    Ok, PAID SPAM! If anybody wants one of these frames at a discount here's your chance! It comes with a new SRAM BB. Message me if you need any more details!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripley View Post
    Thanks for the info. Definitely let us know how it feels on the trail. Did you add tokens going to 130mm? I see that 3 tokens are recommended for 130mm. Looks like 1 token for 150mm.
    They have the 120 air shaft in stock now. I am sure they will not last long.

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    I found someone locally who has a large frame. Going to pick it up this evening, I'll probably hold onto both for the weekend to make sure I like the large better. Unfortunately I'm going to have to ride it this weekend with a 50mm stem as that's the shortest I have!

    Also I tried picking up the 120mm airshaft from bikeman. I can't find a 130mm in stock anywhere so I'm going to give this a try. I suppose it will give me the geometry that kona intended.
    Last edited by rusty904; 03-20-2014 at 03:01 PM.

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    Ripped straight from another website here in Australia. Got to be the sweetest Process 111's going around.


    Frame - kona process 111 small
    Rear shock - r/s monarch
    Front shock/fork - pike solo air dropped from 140-120mm
    Handlebars - enve riser
    Stem - stock kona 40mm
    Headset - stock sealed
    Grips - esi silicon
    Saddle - selle slr xc
    Seatpost - enve, dont need dropper's
    Front brake -new xtr carbon
    Rear brake - ^^^^^^^^
    Cranks - raceface next carbon 170mm
    Chainguide - none
    Chain - xx1
    Pedals - xtr spd
    Rear derailleur - xx1
    Rear shifter - xx1 trigger
    Cassette - xx1 10-42t
    Front hub - dt 240
    Rear hub - dt 240 upgraded engagment point,
    Front rim - enve am 29
    Rear rim - enve am 29
    Spokes - dt
    Nipples - enve
    Tyres - schwalbe ralph/nic 2.25
    Total weight - 11.55 no pedals 11.8 with pedals
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    How many people are waiting for delivery? I have ordered a large >5months with significant deposit and am still waiting for delivery. With snow starting to go away and a long winter here in the northeast I am getting anxious to get my new bike. Are others who are not shop owners/ workers waiting long times like me?

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    Lol, why are you gaining a good anxious ? we are getting a snowstorm tomorrow.
    where are you located? I live in New Hampshire and I just got my 134 DL. thankfully I called around and one was on the way a week ago with nobody putting a deposit on it.
    you should get yours soon, and I am guessing within the end of the month, because a 134 DL in a medium is coming to the shop I got my bike from and the KONA rep told the owner that it should be delivered by the end of the month. if you are by new hampshire pM me if you want to ride in a month or two.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dingus518 View Post
    How many people are waiting for delivery? I have ordered a large >5months with significant deposit and am still waiting for delivery. With snow starting to go away and a long winter here in the northeast I am getting anxious to get my new bike. Are others who are not. shop owners/ workers waiting long times like me?

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    Thanks. I am a bit further west so hopefully won't get the snow. Based on comments in reviews and such I have a hunch the run for 111's is going to be less than the 27.5 wheeled bikes. Would be disappointed if I need to switch.

    Launching frozen snowbanks would have been fun to start learning the bike.
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    Any issues with bottom brackets creaking? About to pull the trigger but potential press fit bb issues are my final reservation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdqmach26 View Post
    I have only ridden up the street,off curbs etc.. I may go ride it on trails tomorrow.
    Hey pdqmach26, did you get a ride in at the 130mm setting? I'm wondering how it is, as I contemplate at length to cut & tap my current air shaft..

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    Quote Originally Posted by chowdapilot View Post
    Any issues with bottom brackets creaking? About to pull the trigger but potential press fit bb issues are my final reservation.
    these bikes use BB92 not PF30, so they are fine.

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