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    Kona HONZO

    I figured this bike could use it own thread as I'm sure there are going to be quite a few enthusiasts. Please post any updates on availability as well as builds as they start rolling in. I'm already making my shopping list.
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    Looks really sweet! I would love to ride one as it looks like it would be nice for the rocky singletrack in my area but i wonder how it handles with the slack head angle. How heavy is it?

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    The head angle should be great for descending. Steep climbs may be a bit light in the front end but the guys at Kona said it climbs great. I read somewhere that the stock build comes in around 28lbs. Rumor is that it will be available as a frame only also so you could build it lighter if you wanted to.

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    Great frame, but a badly executed full build spec, especially at $17xx.
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    Calling my LBS to get on the list for this frame. I wouldn't be interested in the complete build either. Loving the new short CS and slack HT 29ers that are hitting the market these days!

    I wonder how it would ride with a Kona P2 rigid fork. I'd go back and forth SS, 1x9 and rigid, Reba.I was glad to see the slider dropouts for sure!

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    I want to build a frame only as well. Just need to find a shop that I can rely on.

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    Really? Where do you feel the "rip-off" is?

    In the bike world, I find you get what you pay for. With some brands I'm always worried that I'm paying more for advertising than for a good bike, but doing some comparisons, it seems like the Honzo is pretty much in line with other 2012s. Maybe the spec is even better than most, since the most expensive, hardest parts to upgrade are the least in need of upgrading (e.g. the fork).

    Maybe if I'm already spending $1799, I might as well drop the $2Gs and get 10spd shifting. But my LBS will take my trade-in the parts and upgrade me before the bike even leaves the store, and I'll get better trade-in value on those "repair parts" that will sell quickly.

    If you can just barely scrape the $ together, you'll be happy because she's ready to rock, and the stuff will last and perform through abuse. If you are like me and already have nicer parts, you're stoked because Kona didn't waste your $ on more expensive stuff that would need an upgrade nevertheless. If you want a nicer bike and have the money, then trade-in and upgrade. I don't see the issue. What I do see, however, is my next bike.

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    I agree. The complete build is a fair price for what you get. If you don't like it just build a frame up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micrastur View Post
    Really? Where do you feel the "rip-off" is?
    Everything but the frame and fork.If I'm spending $1799, close to $2000 after taxes, I better not be seeing Deore, Alivio or basic Avid disc brakes anywhere on the spec sheet. I'm surprised they didn't bundle this bike with a RockShox Tora 29er like they do with the 26er Kona Steely and called it a day.

    Personally, I know what $2K can get you these days in the AM steel hardtail category and it's no where close to the basics that come bundled with the Honzo complete build. If I was spending MSRP on the Honzo, I would feel ripped off because I know better.
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    Is anyone familiar with the chromoly tubing they are using on this one? Is it any good?

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    I'm sure the quality of the steel tubing should be fine - just won't be the lightest. Does anyone have the frame weight on one of these yet? I'm guessing 5.5 to 6.5ish lbs. Love the matte blue BTW

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    Finally placed the order for a frame today. No luck with any local dealers even returning a phone call for a special order but I turned to Bikeman and they were more than happy to order one. Now the waiting begins.

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    What's the final retail numbers for the frame only? $550? Just want to make sure I don't get screwed by my LBS. (hey, it happens)

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    Bikeman $539 with free shipping.

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    When are these available?

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    I've been hearing mid October.

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    How is the chain ring clearance? Is there enough room to possibly fit a 2x10 setup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathan_b View Post
    How is the chain ring clearance? Is there enough room to possibly fit a 2x10 setup?
    No room according to the review I read in Dirt Rag magazine.
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    i have a 2010 unit that I was thinking about setting it up with a 100mm fork and a 1x9and some lighter wheels etc.my question is would I be better off getting one of these?what would be the advantage of this geo?
    i ride for fun but try to keep up,not really mountains but rocky ozark hills.
    the unit geo is almost identical to a niner and everybody loves their niner

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    I had been looking at this bike. Being it would be my first Kona, I'm a little uncertain about the sizing, especially considering the geometry of the Honzo. My current 26" HT is a 19". From what I read, it would appear that Kona's run big? I am 5'10.5" with a pants inseam of 32". So would I consider the 18"?

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    Just curious?

    Anybody intending to get the Honzo who is planning to build it with a 100mm fork? Also, I assume this could be built 1x10 instead of 1x9?

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    Gonna run 1x10 on mine. Bike is designed around 120mm fork but if I plan on trying a 140mm I don't see a reason you can't try a 100mm. 120mm is probably the sweet spot though. Thinking about trying a 140 with a bit more sag. I'll see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    No room according to the review I read in Dirt Rag magazine.
    Could you use a bottom bracket mount front derailer or am i just being foolish?

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    Got mine in yesterday! quick ride after work, supper fun, weighed in at 33 lb 5 oz. She is a heavy one, going to see about trying to lighten the load a little bit.

    The slack head tube and super short chain stays make for a fun run down hill.

    Going on another ride tonight....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdbronco View Post
    Got mine in yesterday! quick ride after work, supper fun, weighed in at 33 lb 5 oz. She is a heavy one, going to see about trying to lighten the load a little bit.

    The slack head tube and super short chain stays make for a fun run down hill.

    Going on another ride tonight....
    wait, not even one picture?

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    You gotta post some pics. I assume that you bought a complete?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdbronco View Post
    Got mine in yesterday! quick ride after work, supper fun, weighed in at 33 lb 5 oz. She is a heavy one, going to see about trying to lighten the load a little bit.

    The slack head tube and super short chain stays make for a fun run down hill.

    Going on another ride tonight....
    Ouch. And that's with a 1x9. Wonder what's the frame weight? Pushing near 7 lbs?
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    Guessing the stock wheels are pretty porky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdbronco View Post
    Got mine in yesterday! quick ride after work, supper fun, weighed in at 33 lb 5 oz. She is a heavy one, going to see about trying to lighten the load a little bit.

    The slack head tube and super short chain stays make for a fun run down hill.

    Going on another ride tonight....
    33 lb 5 oz. for what size frame?

    I am guessing the weight is in the cassette, cranks and wheel set. Are they running a steel free hub to keep the cassette from chewing it up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronism View Post
    I had been looking at this bike. Being it would be my first Kona, I'm a little uncertain about the sizing, especially considering the geometry of the Honzo. My current 26" HT is a 19". From what I read, it would appear that Kona's run big? I am 5'10.5" with a pants inseam of 32". So would I consider the 18"?
    I'm 5'11" with an inseam of a bit under 32". I find that an 18" Kona frame (mine's an Explosif, but I have ridden several others) fits me perfectly while with Trek or some of the other brands I have to go up to a 19" to get a good fit.

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    Sorry pictures will come tomorrow when the day light come backs. 33lb 5 oz for the 20 in frame. The wheels are very portly, 7lb rear and 5 lb front, for aggressive tires they are not very heavy the cassette weight in at 425g. so some weight to loose there.

    any reconmendations to look for a 9 spd cassette that has a 36? what about a lighter crank that will take a 32?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerius View Post
    I'm 5'11" with an inseam of a bit under 32". I find that an 18" Kona frame (mine's an Explosif, but I have ridden several others) fits me perfectly while with Trek or some of the other brands I have to go up to a 19" to get a good fit.
    Thanks, that's what I figured after researching some more and talking to various people. I currently ride a 19" Trek now so that makes sense.

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    Pictures!
    let me know if there are any other angles you would like to see


    Untitled by dhcrain, on Flickr


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    Honzo by dhcrain, on Flickr


    Untitled by dhcrain, on Flickr
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    Looks awesome. Are the stickers removable or cleared over?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot View Post
    Looks awesome. Are the stickers removable or cleared over?
    Not removable... but they are hardly noticeable in real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdbronco View Post
    Not removable... but they are hardly noticeable in real life.
    I actually like how subtle they are. Glad they are not removable.
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    Geometry Question

    Looking at the geo for this bike, it appears that the ST angle is effective, (sagged) can anyone tell me the actual ST angle? By my calcs a 120mm fork with 20% sag puts it at -73.3 degrees, which seems kinda steep.

    Also, the reach for the 20L seems off, based on the ETT and ST angles, I'm getting about an inch more.

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    Bike looks beefy but the dropout look like ones from kona unit! and those were a weak link as they broke down just above the seatstay weld where it meets the slider dropout. dunno if they use different/harder material this time..
    need more bikes...

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    Man that is cool. I love that bike! Wish my LBS carried Kona............

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    According to Kona the first batch of frames should arrive late October. Looks like second batch won't arrive till April.
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    I decided to not build a Honzo and go the squishy route so if anyone is interested Bikeman should have a 20L frame available in a couple weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot View Post
    Finally placed the order for a frame today. No luck with any local dealers even returning a phone call for a special order but I turned to Bikeman and they were more than happy to order one. Now the waiting begins.
    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot View Post
    I decided to not build a Honzo and go the squishy route so if anyone is interested Bikeman should have a 20L frame available in a couple weeks.
    Hmmm... I couldn't possibly imagine why someone wouldn't want to special order a bike for you....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean salach View Post
    Hmmm... I couldn't possibly imagine why someone wouldn't want to special order a bike for you....

    I don't really know any local Kona dealers personally or have dealt with any of them in the past so if you are going after my character you are dead wrong. I did get a call back a couple months down the road from a dealer I contacted at the beginning but at that point I decided not to build one. So I guess they are not all bad just extremely slow at making things happen. Just seems if you are buying a low priced bike or frame in the area I live its like pulling teeth to get a shop to take a order. If you are building a complete high end bike it's a whole different story. Well let's get back to the real topic of this forum and see those builds instead of BS'ing.
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    Fair enough. Good on you for taking the ribbing well. I was just thinking that maybe those shops saw the innevitable that bikeman didn't. A small shop stuck with a niche frame is a small shop stuck with an almost unsellable item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada 29er View Post
    Looking at the geo for this bike, it appears that the ST angle is effective, (sagged) can anyone tell me the actual ST angle? By my calcs a 120mm fork with 20% sag puts it at -73.3 degrees, which seems kinda steep.
    It's a hair steep by XC standards, but current AM hard tail bikes with forks longer & stems shorter than 100mm are being designed with steeper ST angles. The problem with slack or "normal" ST angles is that when the rider is climbing seated, the weight is on the rear wheel, leaving the longish fork near max extension. With an under-weighted, slackened & temporarily taller front end, the front wheel will wander a lot. The steeper ST angle helps correct for this, by keeping the rider weight a bit more forward and the fork sagged a bit. It's all about keeping the rider weight centered on climbs.

    I got to test ride this rig, and it works well.
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    Interesting bend on the seat tube. I haven't seen that before. Along with the top tube I could see how it would make the front wheel really light when climbing because it seems your positioned over the rear wheel more but correct me if I'm wrong. Those two aspects make it seem like it's perfect for descents though just like lancelot said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridingaddict View Post
    Interesting bend on the seat tube. I haven't seen that before. Along with the top tube I could see how it would make the front wheel really light when climbing because it seems your positioned over the rear wheel more but correct me if I'm wrong. Those two aspects make it seem like it's perfect for descents though just like lancelot said.
    With a wide flat bar and the 73+* STA, the rider stays centered reasonably while climbing. With short stays, the seat tube has to be bent like that to prevent the tire from rubbing it. The seat tube doesn't really effect descending unless for some reason the rider is seated -- not recommended on most trails.
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    just got my honzo and love it. I replaced the front and rear tires with specialized purgatory front and new ground control rear removed tubes and also replaced the peddles with vp with ti spindals and dropped a total of 3lbs not bad for under $350

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    This bike looks awesome, but too heavy for me. I hope that it sets a trend though. Maybe there will be some lighter bikes with similar geometry and travel in the near future. Titanium would be more awesome, lighter weight steel would be cool, or even carbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omajack View Post
    just got my honzo and love it. I replaced the front and rear tires with specialized purgatory front and new ground control rear removed tubes and also replaced the peddles with vp with ti spindals and dropped a total of 3lbs not bad for under $350
    You lost 1300g with tires/tubes/pedals? Are they wire bead tires? And how heavy are the stock pedals?

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