• 11-11-2011
    carabao
    Honzo Build Thread - post your builds here
    Kona Honzo Build

    2012 Kona Honzo Med.
    2012 Fox F29, 120mm, RLC, Tapered, 15mm TA
    Stanís Flow Wheelset with 3.30 front hub, 3.30 Heavy Duty rear hub
    Maxxis Ardents: fr/2.4exo, rr/2.25
    Thomson X4 70mm zero rise stem
    Thomson Elite seatpost
    Easton Monkeylite xc lo-rise carbon bar 27 inches
    Specialized Henge Expert Saddle, ti rails
    Odi Rogue lock-ons
    Avid Elixirs R 185/160
    Sram 991? chain
    XT cranks
    XT med. cage derailleur
    Shimano 12-36t cassette
    Niner 32t front chain ring
    XT rear shifter
    BBG bash
    N-gear Jumpstop
    Cane Creek Headset / inset top, external lower

    27 lbs. 13 ounces

    Here's my review after my first ride today:


    Just got back from ATT and I'm really, really, happy with the bike.

    First of all, I expected the front end to wander on steep climbs, but it stuck, no wandering. This has a lot to do with the steep seat tube. It felt very efficient without any discernable bottom bracket flex. I expected this because the tubes Kona uses are fatter than my old Niner MCR 9. This frame weighs 5.75lbs. where the Niner 853 steel frame weighed 4.5lbs. and doesn't have sliding dropouts. For my weight, about 200lbs., the MCR 9 was nooodly, but comfortable. I felt it absorbed a lot of my pedaling power and the head tube was extremely flexy. The Honzo is a stout frame, and I don't think you can achieve that without it weighing more. I don't notice the weight, but I do notice the power transfer and SOLID feel of the frame. Also, I expected to dab the more technical sections because I'm not tuned to this bike yet, but I cleaned them all.

    After reaching the top we lowered our seats and headed back. The words that comes to mind descending on this bike are INSANELY FAWKING AWESOME. Because of the short chain stays, the bike corners like a roller coaster doing a 180. The Honzo's geometry positions you over the rear tire and the pivot point of the bike in the turns. I'm not much of a downhiller, but I was flying and not worrying about any ruts or rocks because the fork and frame just swallowed them up, very confidence inspiring. The chain stays also make coming off jumps more intuitive. With Niner's geometry I always felt like I was waiting for the rear tire when popping off curbs and jumps, but the Kona feels right on.

    This is the best bike I have ever owned, period. If you're worried about frame weight, you could save about 1/4-1/2 lb. going with a Canfield Nimble 9. The geometries with 120mm forks are almost identical, but the Nimble 9 has a slacker seat tube, which may affect climbing, and it does not accommodate a tapered fork, two things I really love about the Honzo.


    PS - check out this video of the Honzo in action: House of the Big Wheel Part 1: Honzo and Satori on Vimeo

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/carabaoray/6337948649/" title="IMG_1499 by carabaoray, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6215/6337948649_b6fd59e3f4_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="IMG_1499"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/carabaoray/6337948347/" title="IMG_1498 by carabaoray, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6214/6337948347_10a35f42cc_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="IMG_1498"></a>
  • 11-12-2011
    eauxgod
    Build In Progress
    I received my frame (which included a seat collar and cable clips) last week and so far I have scraped together for the build this stuff:

    SunRingle Charger Experts (black)
    Marz 44 Micro Ti 140 Taper (black)
    SLX crankset (rings removed)
    e*13 32t (blue)
    SLX brakes w/ 180/160 XT rotors
    Crank Brothers Joplin
    WTB Rocket Team
    Sunline V1 65/0 stem (blue)
    Sunline V1 762mm flat bars (blue)
    Syncros Hardcore ZS44 Tall Upper
    Can Creek EC44 lower
    ODI Rogues
    X.9 short cage
    x.9 rear trigger
    Sram 971 11-34 cassette
    1 can of frame saver
    Sram 971 chain
    CB Candy SL (blue)



    Over the next few weeks these will follow:

    MRP Lopes SL chain guide ISCG05
    undecided tires










  • 11-12-2011
    carabao
    I recommend a Cane Creek headset. My fork knobs barely cleared the downtube by 1.5-2mm and it looks sweet.
  • 11-12-2011
    noosa2
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    Kona Honzo Build

    2012 Kona Honzo Med.
    2012 Fox F29, 120mm, RLC, Tapered, 15mm TA
    Stanís Flow Wheelset with 3.30 front hub, 3.30 Heavy Duty rear hub
    Maxxis Ardents: fr/2.4exo, rr/2.25
    Thomson X4 70mm zero rise stem
    Thomson Elite seatpost
    Easton Monkeylite xc lo-rise carbon bar 27 inches
    Specialized Henge Expert Saddle, ti rails
    Odi Rogue lock-ons
    Avid Elixirs R 185/160
    Sram 991? chain
    XT cranks
    XT med. cage derailleur
    Shimano 12-36t cassette
    Niner 32t front chain ring
    XT rear shifter
    BBG bash
    N-gear Jumpstop
    Cane Creek Headset / inset top, external lower

    27 lbs. 13 ounces

    Here's my review after my first ride today:


    PS - check out this video of the Honzo in action: House of the Big Wheel Part 1: Honzo and Satori on Vimeo





    Very respectable weight. I can't see your pics.
  • 11-12-2011
    carabao
    I think I fixed the pics.
  • 11-12-2011
    eauxgod
    These Syncros headsets are on par with Kings and 110s, IMO, plus I need the height of the RWC Externalizer to keep my geometry in spec.

    Nice build btw...
  • 11-12-2011
    noosa2
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    I think I fixed the pics.

    Yep, I see 'em now...:thumbsup:.
  • 11-14-2011
    mbjeff
    Here's my build

    20" Honzo frame. Bike had all the standard build kit when I got it. No bare frames avail in 20".

    From the stock build I've kept the 120mm revelation fork, chain guide, cranks, bb, cassette, seat post collar, and headset.

    Build:

    RockShox Revelation RL Dual Air 120mm/20mm DO
    FSA Step-Up cranks
    FSA The Pig headset (I have a King headset on back order)
    e13 ls1 chain guide
    Niner carbon flat top bar
    FSA SLK carbon seat post
    WTB Rocket V saddle
    X9 shifter
    X9 rear derailleur
    Shimano HG61 12-36 9 spd
    Elixir 9 brakes with 180mm rotors
    Thomson 80mm 0 degree stem
    Arch rims laced to DT Swiss 240s hubs with blue nipples
    2.2 kenda slant six up front
    2.1 kenda small block 8 in the rear
    (36 teeth upgrade for rear hub on my workbench just waiting to be installed)

    Currently have oury grips but I have odi rogues sitting here. Just waiting for my blue clamps.

    I'll convert to single speed when I have the legs built up. Coming from a 3x10 this 1x9 is a pretty good work out. Loving the bike.





  • 11-14-2011
    eurospek
    The first two pics are awesome carabao. :thumbsup:
  • 11-14-2011
    carabao
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    The first two pics are awesome carabao. :thumbsup:

    Thanks:)
  • 11-16-2011
    pulsepro
    Anyone know what a bare Honzo frame weighs? Many thanks.
  • 11-16-2011
    cford
    mines stock! and it sh-reds.
  • 11-16-2011
    carabao
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pulsepro View Post
    Anyone know what a bare Honzo frame weighs? Many thanks.

    Somebody on here weighed a medium at 5 pounds 13 ounces. That weight is fine with me considering comparable frames like the Nimble 9 are only a 1/4-1/2 pound lighter. I think the weight difference is due to the different diameter/size tubing on the seat, down, and top tubes. All three tubes on the Honzo are fatter, but since I'm 200lbs. I appreciate the durability, sturdiness, and stiffness they create. If you're lighter you may want to build up something else. I love hove the frame feels because it's stiff with the perfect amount of compliance.
  • 11-29-2011
    Kona Owner
    Really nice bikes guys. I am loving the look for the Honzo.
  • 11-29-2011
    JulianPeeters
    RE: EauxGod's pics - Loving the deep blue! Can't believe what a great color match. I would almost have to do a blue brooks saddle to complete the set.
  • 12-04-2011
    eauxgod
    Fyi
    I measured my 18" frame; it's 5.5 lbs with published CS and ETT dims...
  • 12-04-2011
    carabao
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eauxgod View Post
    I measured my 18" frame; it's 5.5 lbs with published CS and ETT dims...

    Thanks for the info. I never got a chance to weigh mine, but the only other medium frame weighed was reportedly 5 lbs, 13 ounces. So, I'm going to go with your numbers. :thumbsup: Post up when you get it built.
  • 12-06-2011
    italiancarbs
    6 Attachment(s)
    venetian honzo
    At last my time has come: finished last Saturday, tested on the mud on Sunday: seems like next summer I will have some fun :thumbsup:

    here is how it is dressed :

    frame size 18
    fork Fox 120
    wheels Hope/ ZTR Arch
    1x10 crankset Aka + 32t Protone chainring , cassette XX 11-36, der. X0, chainguide Shaman
    handlebar RaceFace Atlas Freeride + Oury DH
    seatpost GravityDropper, saddle Gobi XM
    Brakes Avid Elixir R with Hope 180/160 rotors
    etc....
    KG. 13 -
  • 12-06-2011
    eurospek
    ^ Awesome build.
  • 12-06-2011
    noosa2
    These builds look great. italiancarbs, I'll ask you the same question I ask all Honzo owners... what size tire are you running on the rear and does it look like you have enough room to comfortably run a 2.35 or 2.4?
  • 12-07-2011
    italiancarbs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by noosa2 View Post
    These builds look great. italiancarbs, I'll ask you the same question I ask all Honzo owners... what size tire are you running on the rear and does it look like you have enough room to comfortably run a 2.35 or 2.4?

    Thanks.
    The one you see in these pics on the rear is a Bontrager 2.2 (cut at the first downhill, now I am running a Nobby Evo). For sure the frame can run more than that and I believe that Kona is selling the complete bike with 2.4 front & rear.....


    :thumbsup:



    ...
  • 12-07-2011
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by italiancarbs View Post
    Thanks.
    The one you see in these pics on the rear is a Bontrager 2.2 (cut at the first downhill, now I am running a Nobby Evo). For sure the frame can run more than that and I believe that Kona is selling the complete bike with 2.4 front & rear.....


    :thumbsup:



    ...

    Not quite. 2.25 rear and there's not much room left for anything else.
  • 12-18-2011
    Nevada 29er
    5 Attachment(s)
    20L Garage Queen Pics
    Here she is, virgin photo shoot.
    Build weight 29.6 lbs. I was hoping for under 30 lbs for psychological reasons.

    Did a shake down ride and all was glorious as expected during the honeymoon period.

    First the pros:

    1. Short stays make the bike super playfull! Every rock presents an opportunity to air and tail whip. I was able to perform a proper bunnyhop for the first time!

    2. Climbing was as good as could be expected for the weight and gearing. Standing climbing traction was very good due to the short stays.

    3. XT 10 speed shifting was smooth! Coming from Sram X.9, I was blown away by the light touch and precision. It also allows multiple shifts up/down per stroke.

    Nitpicks:
    1. Low BB height was kind of a bummer. With a 140 Marz 44, it was around 12.3" unsagged. Going my Waltworks at ~13.5", I was hitting every rogue rock (running 180 cranks). Overall I prefer a 13"+ BB.

    2. Ultimately 1x10 gearing may limit my ride length (or make me super strong!).

    3. Seat post kept slipping. Maybe CF isn't the best choice with this frame. Planning on getting an Erikson sweet post.

    4. I crashed (not the bike's fault) carrying a bit too much speed into a rock garden. Ice on the knee as we speak..

    Overall, I was pretty stoked with the bike. Overall head angle seemed close to my Waltworks w/ 120 minute, which surprised me. However, I was running a lot of sag on the Marz, since I was originally planning on running it at 120. I'll have to get a protractor to measure the actual HA.

    The toptube felt every bit as long as the 26" claimed. I was expecting it to be shorter based on the actual tube measurements. Will probably run a 60mm stem.

    The biggest difference between the bikes is the short rear end of the Honzo, which makes for a playfull ride. Thats why I bought it!
  • 12-18-2011
    eurospek
    Looks good, but hopefully Kona gets the memo and increases that rear chainstay clearance for much bigger tires on the 2013 Honzo. It would be a killer frame with 2.4 Ardents all around. I've never been one to mix tire widths.
  • 12-19-2011
    DrewM
    Really???
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Looks good, but hopefully Kona gets the memo and increases that rear chainstay clearance for much bigger tires on the 2013 Honzo. It would be a killer frame with 2.4 Ardents all around. I've never been one to mix tire widths.

    I'm running - frankly huge - Schwalbe 2.35 Hans Dampf tires on Stans Flow rims with the stays of my Honzo 100% all the way forward (16.3" as claimed).

    If a 2.4 Ardent doesn't fit (surprised since the side knob of the Hans is more aggressive and the air volume is huge) you could always lengthen the wheelbase a slight bit; definitely not an issue that warrants a redesign.

    For that matter, if you like the Ardent I would challenge you to try a Specialized Eskar or a Schwalbe Hans Dampf. At least around here (Pacific North West) either tire is better in EVERY way.

    -D
  • 12-19-2011
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DrewM View Post
    I'm running - frankly huge - Schwalbe 2.35 Hans Dampf tires on Stans Flow rims with the stays of my Honzo 100% all the way forward (16.3" as claimed).

    If a 2.4 Ardent doesn't fit (surprised since the side knob of the Hans is more aggressive and the air volume is huge) you could always lengthen the wheelbase a slight bit; definitely not an issue that warrants a redesign.

    For that matter, if you like the Ardent I would challenge you to try a Specialized Eskar or a Schwalbe Hans Dampf. At least around here (Pacific North West) either tire is better in EVERY way.

    -D

    That's a first. I think you're running the biggest tire on the rear so far. Care to share some pics of the clearances? How tight is it?
  • 12-19-2011
    DrewM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    That's a first. I think you're running the biggest tire on the rear so far. Care to share some pics of the clearances? How tight is it?

    It is pretty tight, but there is a comfortable amount of room all around. Definitely no rubbing and no issues with our wet -granular- "mud" or with loamy trails.

    I will try and get some decent shots tomorrow, the ones I have don't show the clearance very well.

    -D
  • 12-22-2011
    DrewM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    That's a first. I think you're running the biggest tire on the rear so far. Care to share some pics of the clearances? How tight is it?

    Apologies for the delay...

    Here are the photos as promised. As noted, clearance is tight but no problem with rubbing or blockage in mud or loam. If I road predominantly in the Don Valley this wouldn't be my first choice (then again, I'd also be on a Kula Watt not a Honzo).

    As an aside, the tires are awesome as well. Heavy compared to my previous combos but confidence inspiring in any technical situation (up or down).



  • 12-22-2011
    eurospek
    Thanks for the pics, but man those are tight clearances. A slight wobble in the rim and I bet that will rub.
  • 12-22-2011
    DrewM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Thanks for the pics, but man those are tight clearances. A slight wobble in the rim and I bet that will rub.

    Cheers!

    Like I said, there is room for mud etc. I'm on top of my gear maintenance wise (and this set of Flow/King wheels has seen ~300 rides), so out of true wheels aren't a huge concern for me.

    If I did badly tweak a rim it would be easy enough to lengthen the wheel base (four bolts) to get home.

    ...


    The Hans Dampf is huge (still on the fence if I like it as a rear tire or not). Huge confidence in technical climbing or descending but a bit slow everywhere else.

    If you need more mud clearance then running a smaller tire or lengthening the wheel base slightly don't seem like such a big deal?

    ...

    Honzo (yes, we're on a first name basis) is a bit portly even with a pretty lightweight build. I have definitely owned faster, more capable bikes (up, down and all-around). That said, it is ridiculously fun (most fun bike I have ever owned), which for me is the point.

    If you haven't had a chance to take one offroad I would highly recommend it! Geometry charts and photos aside the proof is in the pedaling.

    -D
  • 12-22-2011
    carabao
    Confirmation and Pics that Ardent 2.4s do Fit
    I mounted up an Ardent 2.4 and it fits just fine.:thumbsup:

    I'm running them on a fairly wide rim, Flows, and have plenty of clearance. From the pics you can see there's 2-3 millimeters more clearance available by moving the wheel back a smidge.

    I've run this same setup on a Niner MCR and Air 9 with no issues, and the Honzo has at least the same clearance, more if you slide rear wheel back a bit. In fact, my rear wheel has a wobble in it and still clears fine.

    I'll try to imbed pics, but if I fail, here's a link to the pics:

    Dec 21, 2011 - a set on Flickr
  • 12-22-2011
    eurospek
    ^ Awesome. Thanks!!!
  • 12-22-2011
    carabao
    Btw, running 2.4s with the Fox F29 (8mm shorter than the Rockshox Revelation) and a Cane Creek headset (12mm bottom cup, 1.4 shorter than the FSA Kona measures geo with) my bottom bracket is at 12.3-12.4 inches. Before I went to a 2.4 in the back, my BB was about 12.1" (that was measured with a well worn Ardent 2.25).

    The reason I point this out is because the geo charts on Kona's website are accurate if you use the same headset and fork. Just putting this out there for those custom builders.
  • 12-22-2011
    dzilla
    Speaking of charts, I remember seeing a Kona frame sizing chart at one point on the interwebs. Do you know where I could find a chart for the honzo or a similar bike? I'm 6' tall and I noticed they have the honzo up to 22" I thought..
  • 12-22-2011
    dzilla
    Have you done any slick rock riding with this yet?
  • 12-22-2011
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dzilla View Post
    Speaking of charts, I remember seeing a Kona frame sizing chart at one point on the interwebs. Do you know where I could find a chart for the honzo or a similar bike? I'm 6' tall and I noticed they have the honzo up to 22" I thought..

    The 22" is just a 20" Long version, with a WB of 46.1" and ETT of 26", and still a 20" seat tube. No real 22" available per say.
  • 12-24-2011
    carabao
    Updated pic of my Honzo, wider bar (Raceface SIXC 725mm 9/4 sweep) and shorter stem (Thomson 50mm).

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/carabaoray/6625861393/" title="IMG_0810 by carabaoray, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7028/6625861393_03f6304cbc_b.jpg" width="1024" height="640" alt="IMG_0810"></a>
  • 01-02-2012
    strikerkidNY
    Hey carabao, pic isn't loading...
  • 01-02-2012
    carabao
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by strikerkidNY View Post
    Hey carabao, pic isn't loading...

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/carabaoray/6625861393/" title="IMG_0810 by carabaoray, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7028/6625861393_03f6304cbc_b.jpg" width="1024" height="640" alt="IMG_0810"></a>
  • 01-05-2012
    italiancarbs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    Updated pic of my Honzo, wider bar (Raceface SIXC 725mm 9/4 sweep) and shorter stem (Thomson 50mm).

    <

    She looks much more aggressive....I've got to find the way to short mine (stem :nono: ) and still have room for myself ( I have a 90mm Thomson)

    bella bici !


    ......
  • 01-05-2012
    strikerkidNY
    Damn, carabao! that is one fast looking bike!
  • 01-05-2012
    carabao
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by strikerkidNY View Post
    Damn, carabao! that is one fast looking bike!

    Thanks, I'm in love with it. I named her Matilda. :D
  • 01-07-2012
    eauxgod
    Plenty of room here too with Ardent 2.4s mounted to Charger Experts @ 40psi tubless for the initial set up...
  • 01-08-2012
    eauxgod
    Sun Ringle Charger Experts (stickers to be removed)
    Ardent 2.4s, tubeless
    Marz 44 Micro Ti 140
    SLX cranks
    e*13 32t
    SLX brakes w/ 180/160 XT rotors
    Crank Brothers Joplin (temporary...)
    WTB Rocket Team
    Sunline V1 65/0 stem
    Sunline V1 762mm flat bars
    Syncros Hardcore ZS44 Tall Upper
    Cane Creek EC44 lower
    ODI Rogues
    X.9 short cage
    X.9 rear trigger
    Sram 971 11-34 cassette
    Crank Brother Candy 3 Cands
    MRP Lopes SL chain guide ISCG05

    Right at 30 lbs...








  • 01-08-2012
    carabao
    Looking good! Where does this bike reside?
  • 01-08-2012
    eurospek
    Man, that looks awesome. Nice touch with the silver faceplate on the stem. I would have opted for a silver E13 ring up front to continue the theme. ;)

    Your build with the exception of the fork would have been the same as mine, kinda regret sending the frame back now lol, although the geo wasn't on par with what what listed online and what I was measuring at home, plus Kona said 2.4 Ardents won't fit. Oh, well. Maybe I'll pick up a 2013 Honzo. :p
  • 01-08-2012
    eauxgod
    Thanks! It's a little much for around here but I like bikes on the burly side.
  • 01-08-2012
    carabao
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eauxgod View Post
    Thanks! The bike, bless it's heart, will reside in south Louisiana. It's a little much for around here but I like bikes on the burly side.

    If you ever make it to the west coast, hit me up and we'll ride some chunk and flow. I'm in San Diego. :thumbsup:
  • 01-08-2012
    eauxgod
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    If you ever make it to the west coast, hit me up and we'll ride some chunk and flow. I'm in San Diego. :thumbsup:

    Thanks for the invite, maybe one of these days (if you all can still ride your bikes offroad :eekster:).
  • 01-08-2012
    eauxgod
    Thanks Man! It took a while to get my ducks in a row...
  • 01-21-2012
    bajayo
    5 Attachment(s)
    My Honzo
    Had a very hard time to choose between the Trans am 29 and the Honzo, also had some custom thoughts, but finally went with the Honzo.
    The parking lot spinn left me very ambiguous, it's my first niner and feels very strange. Very hard to bunny or manual, guess that's the whel size, it's my first 29er. Coming from DH and street rigs, I built it as my new AM machine, hope the trail characteristics are different than the parking lot's.
    This bike replaces my beloved Blur 4X which will probably be buit heavier for free riding, it broke my back in AM, not very climbing friendly for a lower spine challenged rider.
    I really hope that once I'm on the trail I'll fall in love with it.
    The build:
    Reba RLT 20 TA
    SLX brakes
    Velovity Blunt over Hope pro 2 F and R
    LX cranks with 32 SS chain ring (CNC, don't remember the name)
    Sram X9 short cage and PC 990 cassete.
    Thomsons post and stem
    WTB saddle
    Crossmark rear Ardent Lust front (first time I'm using this one, and on the lot it didn't feel so good cornering)
    came to ~13.3 KG

    Sorry for the crappy images, that's what my Galaxy S I is capable of with this lightning.
  • 01-21-2012
    howard619
    Niiice Honzo's everyone! I can't wait to post up Honzo's lil bro the Steely, but need a couple more posts before MTBR will allow it.

    eauxgod - let's see some pics post sticker removal...
  • 01-22-2012
    LyNx
    WOW, nice looking bike and build, very colour coordinated and blingy :D

    Seriously, you call that "plenty" of clearance :out: If that's "plenty" of room to you you obviously don't ever ride in the mud.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eauxgod View Post
    Plenty of room here too with Ardent 2.4s mounted to Charger Experts @ 40psi tubless for the initial set up...

  • 01-22-2012
    carabao
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    WOW, nice looking bike and build, very colour coordinated and blingy :D

    Seriously, you call that "plenty" of clearance :out: If that's "plenty" of room to you you obviously don't ever ride in the mud.



    Plenty can mean adequate, sufficient, or as your taking it, an abundance of. I run 2.4 Ardents with the wheel slammed forward and their is adequate clearance for the type of dirt, mud, and debris encountered in Socal. If you ride in heavy clay-like mud, then I see how this would be insufficient. You could achieve more clearance by sliding the wheel back a 1/4" and the Honzo would still have shorter chainstays than the Chromag Surface and Transition Transam 29. It seems the all mountain hardtail 29er niche is growing, so their will be plenty of options down the road. Rumor is that Niner Bikes is developing one.
  • 01-22-2012
    eauxgod
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by howard619 View Post
    Niiice Honzo's everyone! I can't wait to post up Honzo's lil bro the Steely, but need a couple more posts before MTBR will allow it.

    eauxgod - let's see some pics post sticker removal...

    Here:



  • 01-22-2012
    eauxgod
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    WOW, nice looking bike and build, very colour coordinated and blingy :D

    Thanks

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Seriously, you call that "plenty" of clearance :out: If that's "plenty" of room to you you obviously don't ever ride in the mud.

    The original word was 2.4s would not fit, so one could gather from my pic that the tire is not smashed up against the yoke and there is "plenty" of room to spin freely. As far as mud goes, having less clearance means that the yoke will scrape the mud off therefore keeping the rotational mass down allowing for faster speeds which will sling even more mud off.
  • 01-22-2012
    LyNx
    OK, I guess going by that then, then yes there's room if you ride on dirt trails and never when it's wet. On your theory of the yoke scraping off the mud and keeping the weight down allowing you to go faster, it's a good theory, but in practice, at least here I find doesn't quite work. Although I don't have lot of clearance on my V1 Paradox (can't honestly run bigger than 2.25") in terms of mud clearing, I managed to not have a build up yesterday (super, super wet, muddy ride), while others riding we me did, but I attribute that to the narrower 2.25" CST Ousters and how great they shed the mud.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eauxgod View Post
    The original word was 2.4s would not fit, so one could gather from my pic that the tire is not smashed up against the yoke and there is "plenty" of room to spin freely. As far as mud goes, having less clearance means that the yoke will scrape the mud off therefore keeping the rotational mass down allowing for faster speeds which will sling even more mud off.

  • 01-22-2012
    eurospek
    eauxgod- I like what you did there with the decals. Any reason for ditching the dropper post?
  • 01-22-2012
    Glide the Clyde
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Any reason for ditching the dropper post?

    Definitely sexier with the dropper. Need more room?
  • 01-22-2012
    carabao
    Another Updated Pic
    You can't see 'em, but I'm running new XT brakes. Best brake ever.



  • 01-24-2012
    r1Gel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    You can't see 'em, but I'm running new XT brakes. Best brake ever.



    Awesome bike; awesome photo :thumbsup::thumbsup::cool:
  • 01-26-2012
    anomaly
    NDS photo fail....
  • 01-27-2012
    carabao
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by anomaly View Post
    NDS photo fail....

    I don't know why the photo is failing for you, but here's another try:

  • 01-27-2012
    eauxgod
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    eauxgod- I like what you did there with the decals. Any reason for ditching the dropper post?


    Thanks...no reason per se other than I just happened to have one laying around that came with a complete that I purchased last year. A dropper is not something that I see needing on a regular basis, but at least I have one for trips to real mountains....
  • 01-27-2012
    eurospek
    Any of you guys finding the BB too low at 12.2"? This is the lowest BB from all the 29er AM frames I'm looking at.
  • 01-27-2012
    artnshel
    I like low bb's
    I think frames with low bb's handle better. Yes, you may hit your crank or pedal occasionally but it's a trade off. I'm on a shortened Marz 44 (maybe 110mm) that I dislike but haven't had too many pedal strikes on mine.
  • 01-27-2012
    LyNx
    Dude, I'm gona beg you to please post up a bigger version of the pic below, awesome, awesome shot, absolutely love it, would like it for a desktop image, 1920x1080 por favor?

  • 01-27-2012
    carabao
    [QUOTE=LyNx;8949543]Dude, I'm gona beg you to please post up a bigger version of the pic below, awesome, awesome shot, absolutely love it, would like it for a desktop image, 1920x1080 por favor?

    Thanks! I'll work on it, but it was tough just getting this picture posted off of flickr. If you know of a site that hosts larger size pics, let me know. You could also pm me and I'd be happy to email it to you. Thanks again for the compliment.:thumbsup:
  • 01-27-2012
    carabao
    I don't find the bb too low, but I have had a couple pedal strikes. I think it's well worth the trade off for the stability and cornering benefits. If you're worried about it, I would go with the Transition Transam 29. Its head angle is only half a degree steeper and the chainstay is a bit longer, but I'm sure it's a nice ride. The only thing I don't like about that bike is the 30.9mm seat tube. The honzo has a 31.6 which I believe helps make the rear triangle and bb stiffer. I'm a heavier rider, so I appreciate this. It may not even make that big of a difference though.
  • 01-27-2012
    howard619
    I ride a steely, which is a degree slacker than the Honzo, and a 1/4 inch longer in the chainstay. I've also taken the Honzo for a couple rides. I think the differences in geo and wheel size act together to bring the 2 bikes to a happy medium making them ride similarly. The shorter chainstay makes it feel nimble for a 29" bike and the lower bottom bracket helps it in the corners. My old bike was 3/4 higher in the bottom bracket, and I don't have any issues with the occasional pedal strike. It's something you just relearn an never look back.
  • 01-29-2012
    RaptorTC
    Danggg, the Honzo is one sexy bike. I love that blue color so much.
  • 01-30-2012
    noot
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lynx View Post
    dude, i'm gona beg you to please post up a bigger version of the pic below, awesome, awesome shot, absolutely love it, would like it for a desktop image, 1920x1080 por favor?

    +100000000

    Please email me the full res pic (see your PM) and I'll host it for you.
  • 01-30-2012
    Nevada 29er
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Any of you guys finding the BB too low at 12.2"? This is the lowest BB from all the 29er AM frames I'm looking at.

    I think the BB height is the only real flaw on this otherwise stellar bike (yeah it could always be lighter). I'm getting lots of pedal strikes running a 140 Marz, which means the BB is actually a bit higher than 12.2. It can be compensated for in your riding style of course, but again it comes down to individual preference and where you live/ride. For me, somewhere north of 13" is just right. I might experiment with 175 cranks too (currently running 180s).

    I also think the headtube should be a touch longer on the bigger frame sizes. One size fits all HT doesn't make sense.
  • 01-30-2012
    noot
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Dude, I'm gona beg you to please post up a bigger version of the pic below, awesome, awesome shot, absolutely love it, would like it for a desktop image, 1920x1080 por favor?


    The full-res pics are here:
    http://www.mngnt.com/carabao/IMG_0985.JPG
    http://www.mngnt.com/carabao/IMG_0981.JPG
  • 01-30-2012
    LyNx
    Thanks for that, now have a nice, new desktop image ;)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by noot View Post

  • 01-30-2012
    carabao
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by noot View Post

    Thanks again!:thumbsup:
  • 01-30-2012
    r1Gel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    Thanks again!:thumbsup:

    This is awesome :cool:
    Thanks for making those available :thumbsup::thumbsup:
  • 01-30-2012
    r1Gel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by howard619 View Post
    I ride a steely, which is a degree slacker than the Honzo, and a 1/4 inch longer in the chainstay. I've also taken the Honzo for a couple rides. I think the differences in geo and wheel size act together to bring the 2 bikes to a happy medium making them ride similarly. The shorter chainstay makes it feel nimble for a 29" bike and the lower bottom bracket helps it in the corners. My old bike was 3/4 higher in the bottom bracket, and I don't have any issues with the occasional pedal strike. It's something you just relearn an never look back.

    Thanks for this; somewhat addressed my request in your Steely thread. I'd like to ask here as well though: why didn't you go for the Honzo instead of the Steely?
  • 01-30-2012
    howard619
    I know a lot has been written about 29 vs 26, but in the end they both have their merits on the same trails. I think it comes down to platform preference.

    I owned a Niner Air9 in the past, and have taken this Honzo on a few test rides. I liked the Honzo's slack angles, burly build, and ride quality, but I personally prefer the 26 platform mainly for the small bike feel, quickness in handling, and the pop/pump you get off dips and rises.

    I have no doubt that 29 is more stable and has better roll-over / traction, but it's at the cost of a fun and quickness. If I was to get a 29, it would be a Honzo - after all it inspired my Steely purchase, which is basically the 26" version of the Honzo.
  • 01-31-2012
    r1Gel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by howard619 View Post
    I know a lot has been written about 29 vs 26, but in the end they both have their merits on the same trails. I think it comes down to platform preference.

    I owned a Niner Air9 in the past, and have taken this Honzo on a few test rides. I liked the Honzo's slack angles, burly build, and ride quality, but I personally prefer the 26 platform mainly for the small bike feel, quickness in handling, and the pop/pump you get off dips and rises.

    I have no doubt that 29 is more stable and has better roll-over / traction, but it's at the cost of a fun and quickness. If I was to get a 29, it would be a Honzo - after all it inspired my Steely purchase, which is basically the 26" version of the Honzo.

    Thanks :)
  • 01-31-2012
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nevada 29er View Post
    I think the BB height is the only real flaw on this otherwise stellar bike (yeah it could always be lighter). I'm getting lots of pedal strikes running a 140 Marz, which means the BB is actually a bit higher than 12.2. It can be compensated for in your riding style of course, but again it comes down to individual preference and where you live/ride. For me, somewhere north of 13" is just right. I might experiment with 175 cranks too (currently running 180s).

    I also think the headtube should be a touch longer on the bigger frame sizes. One size fits all HT doesn't make sense.

    Thanks for answering, and how are you finding the 20L in terms of fit? IIRC we were just about the same height. I'm still 29er frameless and itching to have something new by spring. :D
  • 02-01-2012
    lubes17319
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  • 02-08-2012
    eurospek
    ^ Who did you order with? I know of 2 shops with new shipment sizes in stock!! :D
  • 02-08-2012
    noot
    I'm going crazy waiting for my frame. Anyone know when the next batch of frames are shipping out? Most of my parts have arrived (fork, wheels, brakes, seatpost, etc), just waiting for my bar, stem, bottom headset cup, and HBC ring!
  • 02-08-2012
    JulianPeeters
    Quote:

    I'm going crazy waiting for my frame. Anyone know when the next batch of frames are shipping out?
    Kona has all sizes in stock right now, I got my 20" frame last week... which might answer your fitment question, Eurospek. I'm 6'2" with long legs, and after riding the 20"L for a bit, I felt on top of the bars a lot. I need a layback post, but there is no room to pull the bars back with me, and now I'm too stretched out to throw the bike around. If your extra height on me is in the torso/arms, the 20"L will probably fit you pretty well.
  • 02-08-2012
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JulianPeeters View Post
    Kona has all sizes in stock right now, I got my 20" frame last week... which might answer your fitment question, Eurospek. I'm 6'2" with long legs, and after riding the 20"L for a bit, I felt on top of the bars a lot. I need a layback post, but there is no room to pull the bars back with me, and now I'm too stretched out to throw the bike around. If your extra height on me is in the torso/arms, the 20"L will probably fit you pretty well.

    Thanks for your insight, appreciate it a lot and after giving it a lot of thought, and wanting to buy a 2SoulsCycles QH/Slim Jim in XXL and finding out it's put on hold at the moment with no real ETA date, I just saved myself over $700+ and ordered a 20" regular Honzo frame from bikeman.com last night, it has shipped today. :thumbsup: It's one of the few AMHT 29er frames that gets me excited and I have a stock pile of 29er parts ready to go, I'm itching for a new bike just in time for spring. :D Not going to sit around and wait for something that may or may not come at the end of the summer (just like the upcoming On-One Inbred EVO long-travel frame that I've been talking with Brant Richards about, was told end of summer at the earliest).

    Plus it's been confirmed that you can run the 2.4 Ardent or even the 2.35 Hans Dampf, which ultimately sold me on the Honzo. I really wanted a 21" ST, but going with some super-low profile 11mm HT AE01 EVO pedals will do the trick lol.

    Another dilemma I had was frame size, 20" or 20L, and after PM'ing back and forth with JoshM who's my height said the 20L felt long and big, bigger than his 21" XL Specialized Rockhopper. Going to take his word for it, and noticed everyone on the 20L is taller than me, one guy is 6'6" with a 38" cycling inseam and also confirmed it's a LONG bike, even with a 65mm stem. Another guy on singletrackworld.com is 6'8" on a 20L.

    I'm a regular proportioned 6'4", 33/34" pant inseam, normal legs and arms. I want a nimble and flickable bike that is a nudge bigger than my current TransAM with a 36 Float. And plan on running it with a 140 Revelation so the ETT and wheelbase of the 20L is starting to look super long, over 26" ETT and 46"+ WB. And I would only be able to run a 50mm stem on the 20L as everything else would be too stretched out, and as I've learned on the TransAM with a 50mm stem, climbing is no fun at all with such short stems.

    I'm going to run the frame with a Thomson 410 setback post and play around with either a 70mm or 90mm Thomson X4 stem that I have here, along with some nice flat Sunline V1 762 bars, mathching blue, just like eauxgod (I have a feeling we'll have pretty matching builds). ;)
  • 02-09-2012
    eurospek
    For a tapered fork, can anyone confirm I'm ordering the right stuff?

    Universal Cycles -- Cane Creek 40 EC44 1.5" Lower Assembly

    Universal Cycles -- Cane Creek 40-Series ZS44 Upper Assembly

    Thanks!
  • 02-09-2012
    eauxgod
    Those are correct. Can't wait to see your bike...
  • 02-09-2012
    carabao
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post

    That setup is exactly what I have. What fork are you going to run? I ask because my fork knobs clear the down tube by about 1-2mm and I'd hate for you to have issues on your build. I'm running a Fox F29 120mm Tapered.

    The headset with the tallest bottom cup is the RWC. It will give you a 15mm bottom stack compared to the 12mm Cane Creek. Another alternative is the FSA Orbit at 13.4mm and Chris King at 14.8mm. Basically, the Cane Creek has the very lowest bottom stack. Also, Rockshox forks run 8mm longer than Fox equivalents, at least the 29ers do..
  • 02-09-2012
    Nevada 29er
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    I really wanted a 21" ST, but going with some super-low profile 11mm HT AE01 EVO pedals will do the trick lol.

    On the 20L the ST is actually 20.5" BB center to top. Not sure if that holds for the 20", but if so, you're only 0.5" off your ideal.
  • 02-10-2012
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eauxgod View Post
    Those are correct. Can't wait to see your bike...

    Thanks, pretty stoked too. :thumbsup:

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    That setup is exactly what I have. What fork are you going to run? I ask because my fork knobs clear the down tube by about 1-2mm and I'd hate for you to have issues on your build. I'm running a Fox F29 120mm Tapered.

    The headset with the tallest bottom cup is the RWC. It will give you a 15mm bottom stack compared to the 12mm Cane Creek. Another alternative is the FSA Orbit at 13.4mm and Chris King at 14.8mm. Basically, the Cane Creek has the very lowest bottom stack. Also, Rockshox forks run 8mm longer than Fox equivalents, at least the 29ers do..

    Rockshox Revelation 140. I'll have to look into the headsets a bit more than. I wasn't really looking to spend more on a headset than the Cane Creek 40 series.

    Could your limited clearance be due to headtube length as well?

    16" frame is 3.5", 18" is 3.9", and 20" is 4.3".

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nevada 29er View Post
    On the 20L the ST is actually 20.5" BB center to top. Not sure if that holds for the 20", but if so, you're only 0.5" off your ideal.

    But like I said, the 20L is just too long with ETT and reach, and only could run a 50mm stem on it. I'm over such short stems. And sat on my old Gary Fisher Piranha 21" last night, 24.5" measured actual top tube length, had a 100mm stem, and I was super-stretched compared to my TransAM, it was actually a weird feeling being back on it. I forgot how long the whole thing was.
  • 02-10-2012
    eauxgod
    I too have a very small gap b/t compression lever on my 44 MicroTi fork and down tube...
  • 02-15-2012
    lubes17319
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    ....I'm a regular proportioned 6'4", 33/34" pant inseam, normal legs and arms. I want a nimble and flickable bike that is a nudge bigger than my current TransAM with a 36 Float. And plan on running it with a 140 Revelation so the ETT and wheelbase of the 20L is starting to look super long, over 26" ETT and 46"+ WB. And I would only be able to run a 50mm stem on the 20L as everything else would be too stretched out, and as I've learned on the TransAM with a 50mm stem, climbing is no fun at all with such short stems.

    I'm going to run the frame with a Thomson 410 setback post and play around with either a 70mm or 90mm Thomson X4 stem that I have here, along with some nice flat Sunline V1 762 bars, mathching blue, just like eauxgod (I have a feeling we'll have pretty matching builds). ;)

    Ain't ordered mine yet, still scrimping & saving.

    I'm 6' 3" & 34" inseams.
    I went to a local shop to sit on a 20R stock complete the other day & felt like I was on top of the bars, so I was planning on the 20L with a 70mm? stem.
    I'm gonna have to go back & have another sit.....
  • 02-15-2012
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lubes17319 View Post
    Ain't ordered mine yet, still scrimping & saving.

    I'm 6' 3" & 34" inseams.
    I went to a local shop to sit on a 20R stock complete the other day & felt like I was on top of the bars, so I was planning on the 20L with a 70mm? stem.
    I'm gonna have to go back & have another sit.....

    Interesting. But the 20L just looks so long on paper, especially with a 140mm fork. I've never had a bike with a 26"+ ETT, I don't want to lose the nimble feeling of steering. And like I said before, with such a long ETT of the 20L, I couldn't see running anything longer than a 60mm stem. People taller than us are saying the 20L is a long bike and I know of a person similar to my height switching from a 20L to a 20 frame saying it's still a big frame. And he was on top of the bars on the 20L:, so go figure. Hopefully I made the right choice, and coming from a smaller cockpit TransAM, I'm quite used to a smaller bike, but want something slightly bigger now, but not two sizes too big if you know what I'm saying. :D

    I received my 20" frame, stuck the 140mm Revelation fork in there, clamped on a 90mm Thomson stem and inserted the Thomson post as well and with a rough measurement, I have about an 1.25-1.5" more of cockpit room than my current TransAM. If I'll need more, I can achieve about .6" more with a setback Thomson post anyway.

    The top of the feeling bars I feel might be due to the stock 60mm stem that's on these bikes, it's all good for downhill, but for everyday riding, I'm going to stick with 70/80/90mm stems. I would give the 20" another try, but with a slightly longer stem. Looking at Specialized frames in this segment but with full suspension, both 26" and 29", stem lengths for similar ETT and reach are 90mm for L and XL, and 105mm for the XXL.


    And btw to the current Honzo owners, did you rust-proof your frames?
  • 02-15-2012
    eauxgod
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    And btw to the current Honzo owners, did you rust-proof your frames?

    I did.
  • 02-15-2012
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    That setup is exactly what I have. What fork are you going to run? I ask because my fork knobs clear the down tube by about 1-2mm and I'd hate for you to have issues on your build. I'm running a Fox F29 120mm Tapered.

    The headset with the tallest bottom cup is the RWC. It will give you a 15mm bottom stack compared to the 12mm Cane Creek. Another alternative is the FSA Orbit at 13.4mm and Chris King at 14.8mm. Basically, the Cane Creek has the very lowest bottom stack. Also, Rockshox forks run 8mm longer than Fox equivalents, at least the 29ers do..

    Ordered a Cane Creek 40 headset, w/ tall upper so I'm not running a stack load of spacers, but I put on the fork into the frame and clearance is almost none if you take into account the 12mm stack height.

    Browsing the German bike forum I came across the Hope lower cup with a stack height of 14mm according to Hope UK and it sure looks taller than the CC40. Problem is it's a new item and no retailer in the USA carries it. Thankfully Dropn'Zone put in an order for me with Hope USA which will get it from the UK.

    It's Hope HSCH model number and looks like this:

  • 02-16-2012
    bigdbronco
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eauxgod View Post
    I did.

    How?
  • 02-16-2012
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bigdbronco View Post
    How?

    With this:

    JP Weigle Frame Saver Aerosol Can > Accessories > Bicycle Protection | Jenson USA
  • 02-18-2012
    JulianPeeters
    Quote:

    ...did you rust proof your frames?
    :yesnod:
    Observed:


    Concluded:

  • 02-18-2012
    howard619
    That's a lot of mud! How'd you get it all in there? Were you riding without a seat?

    I like the idea of rustproofing your frame, but doesn't Kona guarantee their frames for life? With a guarantee like that, I would just wait and see. I don't think it would ever rust bad enough to result in failure unless you live and ride in the wet very often. Guess I'm fortunate to live in socal where we don't have that problem.