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    Quote Originally Posted by noot View Post
    From experience, a 2.35 Hans Dampf on a 23mm internal rim will NOT fit in the rear of a <2015 Honzo.
    That's odd. My 2012 fits a 2.35 HD or Nic with 29mm internal rim, with a little mud scrub room to spare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Collins View Post
    That's odd. My 2012 fits a 2.35 HD or Nic with 29mm internal rim, with a little mud scrub room to spare.
    Very strange indeed. My 2012 had paint missing inside the yoke from the my HD rubbing in my Stans Flow. Not all the time, but enough around corners that I took it off after one ride.
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    I've run a Hans Dampf on the rear of my 2012 Honzo regularly over the years. It has been on a 22mm and 26mm IW rim.
    The HD fits with the dropouts in the shortest position with enough room for mud as was stated earlier. If you need a little more room slide the dropouts back a bit and you get some more clearance.

    I do have most of the paint rubbed off in the chainstay yolk. But that's because of not having properly tensioned spokes on a previous wheel. I haven't had any rub since I had my wheels tensioned properly.

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    2012 Honzo.
    Currently has an XT (M780) triple crank with a 32t narrow-wide ring. Not a ton of clearance with the chainstay, but enough. Went to switch to a 34t and there is zero clearance.

    Am I stuck and unable to go 34t with this current setup? Or am I having a brain fart and overlooking something simple?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goalieman24 View Post
    2012 Honzo.
    Currently has an XT (M780) triple crank with a 32t narrow-wide ring. Not a ton of clearance with the chainstay, but enough. Went to switch to a 34t and there is zero clearance.

    Am I stuck and unable to go 34t with this current setup? Or am I having a brain fart and overlooking something simple?
    Can you move your 34 to the outside of the spider where the big ring used to be when it was a triple? Also when you installed your BB did you include the drive side 2.5mm spacer behind the cup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideEverything View Post
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    I haven't had any rub since I had my wheels tensioned properly.
    Huh well, that was probably my issue. Time to fire my wheelbuilder... (me)
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    Quote Originally Posted by maximo View Post
    Can you move your 34 to the outside of the spider where the big ring used to be when it was a triple? Also when you installed your BB did you include the drive side 2.5mm spacer behind the cup?
    Yeah it definitely fits on the outside of the spider but I figured that would be a less than ideal chainline. I'm also deciding on some sort of bash/guide setup instead of the naked chainring as it currently sits, so I may want to keep the outside of the spider open.

    I'm honestly not sure right off hand if the BB spacer is there or not. 2.5mm doesn't seem like it would make that much more room though.

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    Ha -- there's plenty of paint/steel schlopped off from the yoke, but the tire fit...

    You should be able to run a 34-tooth on the inside of the spider -- I've done this with XT and SLX cranks; probably with a 2.5mm spacer on the drive side.

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    I never could get anything bigger than a 32t to with my 2013, but I guess I could have if I spaced out the BB quite a bit and 'ruined' the qfactor. My Ti will fit a 34 just fine without any spacing trickery, perhaps it's time to warrant a new frame? :P

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    Can confirm: BB was spacer-less and adding one on the drive side cleared a 34t ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    I never could get anything bigger than a 32t to with my 2013, but I guess I could have if I spaced out the BB quite a bit and 'ruined' the qfactor. My Ti will fit a 34 just fine without any spacing trickery, perhaps it's time to warrant a new frame? :P
    Well the 2.5mm spacer is supposed to be installed on all bb 73mm shells so its not really trickery. I think its overlooked a lot when people install a new bb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maximo View Post
    Well the 2.5mm spacer is supposed to be installed on all bb 73mm shells so its not really trickery. I think its overlooked a lot when people install a new bb.
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    Got my new xc race whip put together today, 23 lbs and totally awesome!

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    Super nice build!

    Looks like a size large, is that correct?

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    Tire clearance is good, with a pretty worn and stretched out 2.35 Nobby Nic mud packs up a bit, but the wheel will spin freely, for racing this weekend I put on the 2.25 Racing Ralph and it was perfect.

    The fork pictured is a 34 with a kabolt axle. The 34, trimmed steerer and the axle was lighter than my 2016 32, and is exactly 1 lb heavier than the new step cast fork.

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    [QUOTE=grnbkr;12733283]

    Holy crap!!! Thats my dream bike!

    So I'm curious, Ive got a Process 111Dl that I built up, but always need a hardtail in the stable. Being I love the GEO of the Process, it's natural to build a Honzo.

    Konas new website shows they don't sell the Al/DL as a frame, only the 27.5+ as a frame only and the Carbon frame only option is the all black version.
    So my question is this: how did you get that frame with the red lettering? And where did you get it at as it appears our local shop will not be getting them in for months and I have a couple races I'm hoping to race on the Honzo August and Sept.

    Any info on getting one of these Carbon frames in a large would be SOOOOO helpful!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnygolucky View Post
    Konas new website shows they don't sell the Al/DL as a frame
    They do, or atleast it says so on their page right under the photo of the bike. Click bikes, frames, then the AL/DL and look under the picture.

    Seems that all the people who got a CR so far have gotten the orange lettered version of the frame.

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    Has anybody rode the new 2017 Big Honzo? Really want to pull the trigger on that beast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasadrzak47 View Post
    Has anybody rode the new 2017 Big Honzo? Really want to pull the trigger on that beast.
    No. The Wozo caught my attention as a fun way for my wife and I to get a second fat bike if that means give up our Honzo.

    Both should be great bikes.
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    I can't remember the top tube length of the 2016 Honzo St, however, it looks as though they have increased the top tube length by about 1cm for 2017 ( or maybe I am getting confused).

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    Really wish the Honzo ST Frameset would have been a different color this year. Bummed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgs010 View Post
    I can't remember the top tube length of the 2016 Honzo St, however, it looks as though they have increased the top tube length by about 1cm for 2017 ( or maybe I am getting confused).
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    So looks as though for 2017 the Honzo ST will be approximately 1.5cm longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgs010 View Post
    So looks as though for 2017 the Honzo ST will be approximately 1.5cm longer.
    yes. and today they corrected the info on the website for the 17 steel honzo - it is NOT boost, but will be 142x12 as in the previous years.

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    Anyone running an ST with a 150mm fork? I am sending my 2014 140 talas back and just ordered a pike, I need to decide which air spring to get as the fork I got a deal on is currently at 130.

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    I'd try the 130 before spending money on changing it, you might like the spritely feel.

    Hopefully I have the time to take out my ti this weekend, I've been overloaded by work lately so I can save up for schoolbooks.

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    So, I tried out the 16 Honzo AL (M) and the 16 Honzo AL DL (L) for fit, and I am a little concerned about the sizing for the Honzo ST I intend to purchase to replace my broken Diamonback Sortie frame.

    I had an interesting experience on the two bikes in that neither of them really fit me properly and I am a little nervous about pulling the trigger now. I usually ride a M 29er, so my first instinct was to try medium, but the reach was way too short, I kept getting pushed off the back of the saddle... I tried the AL DL in Large, and the reach was perfect, but the standover was too high! It looks like the SO for the 17 honzo is the same for every model but the small (?) which is bigger than the rest of them (??). If this is true, the answer is to buy a large Honzo, but I would love some insight into this...
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    Honzo Build Thread - post your builds here-fullsizerennder.jpgThought you might want to see my 2016 Honzo custom build, Spank custom build rims with Hope hubs next
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    You should get a dvo diamond to top off all that green.


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    What's up with the hookworms? This a urban mountain version?

    --Looks dope, btw.
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    Built a new 2016 honzo DL frame with some spare parts I had lying around. Built this one up as a lightweight-ish alternative to my other bikes.

    Full SLX drivetrain & brakes
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    bontrager duster rims with sun ringle boost hub
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    Super f*cking fun bike!













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    I decided to use my Honzo while coaching in the WBP yesterday. I figured since my group was on hardtails I'd join them.



    I have this group of 5 and 6 year olds through the summer two days a week. We pedal one day and ride park on the other.

    It was fun riding the Honzo in the park. I had to adjust how I was jumping as I was over shooting everything on the first few jumps! I know it's obvious but every bit of pressure gets translated directly into the rear wheel. When all you ride in the park is an 200mm DH sled it takes a bit to readjust your jumping technique.

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    Thread bump with my latest build. Still waiting on new bar & stem. And a front brake hose trim

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    Looks so much better with a dropper where the cable comes out at the clamp rather than a stealth routed one. I don't know what they were thinking when they screwed up the routing on the lower tube. If my RF Turbine fails I'm getting a KS lev or a Fox with seatclamp routing, easier to work with too.

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    What size are you guys riding to your height? I'm 5'10 and ride a large 2015 kona unit and 2016 giant trance 27.5. The top tube length of the large honzo is longer than either of my bikes however with my freaky inseam, my seatposts tend to skyrocket out of the frame. I'm roughly 29" from bottom bracket center to top of my saddle.

    Plan to pick up a steel honzo frame but not sure. I do feel like mediums are cramped but this one has a weird geo


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    There's something about those long grueling climbs that gets my front end all stiff... And I'm not talking about lockout...

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    Also do you guys prefer the alu over st? It's been years since I've been on a alu ht


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    There's something about those long grueling climbs that gets my front end all stiff... And I'm not talking about lockout...

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    I'm 6'7, 36in inseam, and ride an XL with 35mm stem, and seat as far back as it goes. TT on the Honzo Ti isn't as long as the new STs though, can't believe how long it is. Gotta wonder if its too long - are people gonna start running their stems backwards?

    As for Aluminum vs Steel, there was quite a bit of discussion a few pages back in this thread.
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    I was running a 2015 steel size small and I am 5'7. My inseem is only 29" but small felt perfect for me and the 2017 is now even longer. My opinion is go with a medium. You are just like me though, floating between 2 sizes dependent on the brand, so there really isn't a right or wrong answe, you gotta just go off the numbers and what you prefer

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikoraa View Post
    What size are you guys riding to your height? I'm 5'10 and ride a large 2015 kona unit and 2016 giant trance 27.5. The top tube length of the large honzo is longer than either of my bikes however with my freaky inseam, my seatposts tend to skyrocket out of the frame. I'm roughly 29" from bottom bracket center to top of my saddle.

    Plan to pick up a steel honzo frame but not sure. I do feel like mediums are cramped but this one has a weird geo


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    I would say medium for your height, a large might be a bit too stretched.

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    Any ideas on what to use for the stealth hole in the seattube? The rubber bit sheared in half when a branch yanked the droppercable at the handlebar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    Any ideas on what to use for the stealth hole in the seattube? The rubber bit sheared in half when a branch yanked the droppercable at the handlebar.
    Jenson sells some Giant specific ones...dont know if they work with the Kona Frames.

    OR

    Reach out to your local Kona dealer and have Kona HQ send a few to you...thats what I had them do.

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    Your local dealer should have some lying around. I asked for some and they gave me 3 for free.

    A buddy said the Giant Rubber grommet is too wide it wont fit to the honzos.

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    Do nothing, leave it without a grommet. Those things look cheesy anyway. I took a medium coarse diamond rat tail file to mine on the Following and chamfered the opening just slightly. They look much better and don't rub through the cable housing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    Do nothing, leave it without a grommet. Those things look cheesy anyway. I took a medium coarse diamond rat tail file to mine on the Following and chamfered the opening just slightly. They look much better and don't rub through the cable housing.


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    I'd worry about water/mud buildup inside the frame, I know it's not a big opening, but still...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidfs View Post
    I'd worry about water/mud buildup inside the frame, I know it's not a big opening, but still...
    There's tubing internally in the frame so it's not going to get into the frame cavity just in the tube that the housing or cable travels through.
    I think some companies don't run continuous internal tubing from head tube into seat tube is because then the water would end up in the bottom of the seat tube and or bottom bracket. I think that's why Kona ran theirs the way they did on the Honzo CR, plus it may make servicing easier. Evil runs a continues tube but also has a drain hole in the BB.


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    I'm pretty sure that vegard has a ti (that does not have internal tubing to facilitate the dropper housing). I agree with Davidfs...gotta keep that hole covered...large enough opening for crap to fly into...

    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    There's tubing internally in the frame so it's not going to get into the frame cavity just in the tube that the housing or cable travels through.
    I think some companies don't run continuous internal tubing from head tube into seat tube is because then the water would end up in the bottom of the seat tube and or bottom bracket. I think that's why Kona ran theirs the way they did on the Honzo CR, plus it may make servicing easier. Evil runs a continues tube but also has a drain hole in the BB.


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    Oh I didn't realize it's continuous, never mind then

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    Aha, I was right! Just kidding...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ledude View Post
    I'm pretty sure that vegard has a ti (that does not have internal tubing to facilitate the dropper housing). I agree with Davidfs...gotta keep that hole covered...large enough opening for crap to fly into...
    Are you sure the Ti doesn't have internal tubing? One of the jobs of the tubing is to keep the housing from rattling around. They're tied so not to rattle.


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    I own a ti honzo...there is definitely no internal tubing.

    just a oval shaped cutout in the seat tube, the rubber grommet guides the dropper housing upwards towards the hole in the seat tube.

    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    Are you sure the Ti doesn't have internal tubing? One of the jobs of the tubing is to keep the housing from rattling around. They're tied so not to rattle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ledude View Post
    I own a ti honzo...there is definitely no internal tubing.
    just a oval shaped cutout in the seat tube, the rubber grommet guides the dropper housing upwards towards the hole in the seat tube.
    Ok, thanks for confirming this. I was wrong about the Honzo's then, I stand corrected. Damn, I don't like this part of the design and those rubber grommets are lame. If a manufacturer is going to have details like this they should have a screw down port cover and make the port larger. They would have been better off running an internal tubing from head tube to seat tube for the dropper. I'm sure the CR is the same then. I've got one on order but I may just use the Lev Ti dropper ext. routing on it and seal those holes up.
    I do love that Ti Honzo regardless. Are you totally stoked on this bike?

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