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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    I couldn't find anything on the Kona site about recommended size for rider hight. I ordered a medium (I'm 6') because the ETT and reach is a little longer than the frames I've been riding. But I see a
    Lot of 6' people that are getting the large.

    Any 6' guys riding mediums??
    I am in the same boat. The specs on the Medium look to match what I would want, but sometimes bikes will fit larger or smaller than the specs on paper.

    I am 6' tall and currently riding a TransAM 26er with 650b wheels. 24.2 ETT, 44.2 wheelbase, something like 68.5/73 angles. I ride it with a 50mm stem and I know I don't want a bike that is any longer than the TA. I like the setup, but the BB is something like 13.1 with the bigger wheels, so it doesn't turn that well.

    Very interested to hear how the Medium Honzo fits.

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    No wonder I hated the fit of my 26er TransAM, mine was setup with a 50mm stem as well, 780mm bars, and I was always felt cramped and OTB on it being 6'4". But the only advice I can give to you guys is the Honzo rides smaller than ETT leads you to believe (at least IMO). I was hesitant about going with a 26" ETT but I'm sure glad I did. I also had the Large frame (20" regular) at the house before but never built it up to see how it rides, it looked short in the ETT, especially if you plan on running short stems on this bike as it was designed to do.
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    @Eurospek
    I'm 6'5" and got the 20L (XL in europe) frame, since you are almost as tall as me and also have the honzo, which stem length would you recommend?

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    Any 6' guys riding mediums??
    I, like you, live where it is pretty flat overall and the medium frame is fine for me at 6'2. My build has an 70mm stem, 762mm wide bars and a set back post...

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    As I said, I am just over 6' tall and I was able to test ride both a medium and large Honzo before buying. The medium definitely felt too small for me, too short feeling. I could ride it, but the front wheel seemed close to my feet when turning and the handlebars too close to my knees. The large feels just right to me. It's hard to compare the frame geo numbers because the design is different than other 29ers (I was coming from a 19" Unit and comparing numbers was almost useless). I also have a Banshee Spitfire, and actually those frame numbers for TT and reach are very similar to the Honzo. The Honzo is designed around a short stem, 60mm is what comes on the large. Therefore the top tube and reach will be slightly longer than other bikes designed around long stems. I do wish Kona would have put a sizing chart on the website, that would probably help clear up a lot of these questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NslrPrtn View Post
    I, like you, live where it is pretty flat overall and the medium frame is fine for me at 6'2. My build has an 70mm stem, 762mm wide bars and a set back post...
    IMO it sounds like the frame is too small for you, hence the need for the longer stem and set back post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMtnB44 View Post
    IMO it sounds like the frame is too small for you, hence the need for the longer stem and set back post.
    70mm is considered a long stem? I think riding style and terrain need to be considered when building one of these frames from the ground up, as I did. If the bike is pointed down a majority of the time then a longer ETT and short stem would be more desired, but when trail riding where there is just as much climbing as descending it is better to have a little more weight on the front axle to keep the front from wondering. To say a frame is designed around the stem is a little on the kool-aid side...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
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    I'm 6'5" and got the 20L (XL in europe) frame, since you are almost as tall as me and also have the honzo, which stem length would you recommend?
    Definitely start out with a 50mm. If you find it short (although I doubt it) move to a 60mm. And definitely wide bars (780+mm) help.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustMtnB44 View Post
    IMO it sounds like the frame is too small for you, hence the need for the longer stem and set back post.
    I concur. At 6'2" on a 24" ETT? Idk how you do it. The Honzo is already a wheelie machine, with a setback post, somewhat small frame and ETT, climbing sounds like a fun time for you. Not.

    Quote Originally Posted by NslrPrtn View Post
    To say a frame is designed around the stem is a little on the kool-aid side...
    Then you must be sipping on that Haterade. Look up what Kona Gravity Product Manager Chris Mandell said about the design of this frame and maybe you'll understand it the concept of the small stem on the Honzo.

    I can't imagine someone only 2 inches shorter than me 2 frame sizes down and still be comfortable. I did all that before, short ETT and short stems and it was fine for the first hour on the trail, anything over and I've counted the minutes of getting back to the car. And this was on somewhat flat trail riding. And my previous bike rode so fun with a 50mm stem, stepped up to a 70mm, lost it all, and even tried a 90mm, which was super comfortable in terms of reach and sizing, but the fun was lost completely. Long ETT + short stems is winning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    At 6'2" on a 24" ETT? Idk how you do it. The Honzo is already a wheelie machine, with a setback post, somewhat small frame and ETT, climbing sounds like a fun time for you. Not.
    Every bike I have ever owned over the last 18 years of riding MTB has had a ETT of 24 to 24.5 and similar stack-n-reach. When fitted for the IF, a standard 19" frame was ordered with +0.42" to the ETT @ 24.02". I do have to admit, 50mm stems do look really cool though.
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    I've got my Honzo set up with a 90mm stem and a set back Thompson post. I'm 5 11 and the bike fits perfectly. Prior to the set back post however, it did feel a little cramped. In regards to stem size and such, I just rode 40 miles on the Black Canyon Trail in Az, a large percentage of the ride was spent hanging out the leg railing downhill turns. Trust me, the bike handles just fine. As far as climbing goes, I do the majority of mine standing so I'm not even coming close to looping out. This being said, I personally think anyone over 5 11 should probably be on a large with a shorter stem. I'm running a 60 mm on my new whip and it does feel good. I also recently went to some 2.4 Ardents front and rear on the Honzo and they absolutely rip my terrain with plenty of clearance. Pic is old but lost in the thread and all my newer ones are too big, even cell phone pics.
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    Does the frame come with rear axle?

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    Nevermind.
    Last edited by eurospek; 02-19-2013 at 08:51 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    Does the frame come with rear axle?
    Mine did... I think
    Still have to figure out what it is, but my frame had a black rock shox maxle 142x12 axle with it. Not sure if it is a front or a rear axle, maybe I'll post a picture of it when I'm home tonight. The frame also included a seatpost qr clamp and clips for the cables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Mine did... I think
    Still have to figure out what it is, but my frame had a black rock shox maxle 142x12 axle with it. Not sure if it is a front or a rear axle, maybe I'll post a picture of it when I'm home tonight. The frame also included a seatpost qr clamp and clips for the cables.
    Through axles are supposed to be supplied with frames and forks. dfuse, if you bought frame only, then the Maxle you received is for the frame (since Kona has no idea which fork you'll employ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Through axles are supposed to be supplied with frames and forks. dfuse, if you bought frame only, then the Maxle you received is for the frame (since Kona has no idea which fork you'll employ).

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    Thought the same but then I saw a vid on pinkbike, the rear axle seemed to consist of 2 parts.. anyway, found a pic online of what the axle looks like that I got with my frame: http://www.bikeparts4u.nl/image/cach...rg-500x500.jpg. Is that a rear axle? (still got some research to do before my bike is complete )

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Thought the same but then I saw a vid on pinkbike, the rear axle seemed to consist of 2 parts.. anyway, found a pic online of what the axle looks like that I got with my frame: http://www.bikeparts4u.nl/image/cach...rg-500x500.jpg. Is that a rear axle? (still got some research to do before my bike is complete )
    Indeed it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    Does the frame come with rear axle?
    So it seems yes, you do with the 2013 frame.

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    I edited my post, I was pretty sure the frame didn't come with a Maxle, good to know. Now if only my Sun-Ringle Charger Experts were convertible I'd love to try the 142x12 setup to see if there's any stiffness difference.
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    Anybody know where I can find the regular QR dropouts? Because apperently my hope SS/trails hubs aren't convertible either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    Anybody know where I can find the regular QR dropouts? Because apperently my hope SS/trails hubs aren't convertible either.
    The X12 Thru kit won't work for the Evo SS hubs? Are they specific to the non SS Evo2?

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    They aren't evo's, just the regular SS/trials or the older ones

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    Unless somebody knows otherwise, I'd be very happy to be wrong about this

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    Unless somebody knows otherwise, I'd be very happy to be wrong about this
    Probably best to contact Hope directly. It may be an axle swap, as opposed to end cap replacements for the Evo line. Just my guess, so best to check with Hope. If you still need to go with the QR dropouts, I may consider going to 142x12 myself and we can swap. I have '12 model with the QR rear and still in build planning stage. Let me know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NslrPrtn View Post
    70mm is considered a long stem? I think riding style and terrain need to be considered when building one of these frames from the ground up, as I did. If the bike is pointed down a majority of the time then a longer ETT and short stem would be more desired, but when trail riding where there is just as much climbing as descending it is better to have a little more weight on the front axle to keep the front from wondering. To say a frame is designed around the stem is a little on the kool-aid side...
    70mm is not long, just longer than stock. Mostly the setback post is what indicates to me that a frame is on the small side. Especially because a setback post moves your CG rearward, exactly where you don't want it for climbing. I don't know what Kool-aid you drink, but frames are definitely designed around a certain stem length...you can't just put any length stem on any frame and expect it to always work ok. But you can change the stem length within reason to fine tune the fit. I don't think your stem length is wrong, but unless you have unusual body proportions I still think a large frame would fit you better. Did you try a large, or only the medium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    Anybody know where I can find the regular QR dropouts? Because apperently my hope SS/trails hubs aren't convertible either.
    Derailleur Hanger/dropouts - Kona USA Web Store

    The QR dropouts are CC style.
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    The 142x12 Maxle is for the rear dropouts on the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Definitely start out with a 50mm. If you find it short (although I doubt it) move to a 60mm. And definitely wide bars (780+mm) help.
    Got any tips for which handlebars? The widest I can find is the Truvativ Boobar (780mm). For the stem I was thinking about the Thomson Elite X4 Stubby, 50mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Got any tips for which handlebars? The widest I can find is the Truvativ Boobar (780mm). For the stem I was thinking about the Thomson Elite X4 Stubby, 50mm.
    Good choice on stem, I'm running the same one.

    As for bars, most these days stop at 780 or 785mm. I'm running 780mm wide Chromag OSX with a 25mm rise, and these feel perfect to me. It would be nice if they came in 800mm but might be problematic at some spots where I ride.

    For a 2013 color frame, I think the Renthal Fatbars 780mm look good paired with it. If you're looking for 800mm bars, then the new 35mm Easton Havoc are that wide, but require the new 35mm standard stem as well. The only other bar that I'm thinking of that is 800mm wide is the FUNN Fatboy DH wide bars, they come in at 810mm (cheap too compared to everything else mentioned).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Got any tips for which handlebars? The widest I can find is the Truvativ Boobar (780mm). For the stem I was thinking about the Thomson Elite X4 Stubby, 50mm.
    Personally I'm using some 780mm Kona-branded risers... like 'em just fine. The slack head angle + wide bars + short stem configuration works together very well on this bike. Absolutely confidence inspiring at speed and going off stuff.

    If you have the option to run your fork at 140mm, I recommend it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Got any tips for which handlebars? The widest I can find is the Truvativ Boobar (780mm). For the stem I was thinking about the Thomson Elite X4 Stubby, 50mm.
    Check out Raceface Atlas bars. They are a cool 1/2" rise to keep the front end low, and come in a ton of colors.

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    RF Atlas bars also come in a flat bar and 1 1/4" rise. Not really sure what rise you want but Atlas bars cover a lot of bases. Once I get my frame,most likely a Honzo, I am going to switch back to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Personally I'm using some 780mm Kona-branded risers... like 'em just fine.

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    The stock ones that came with the bike? That's impressive then they spec'd with such wide bars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    The stock ones that came with the bike? That's impressive then they spec'd with such wide bars.
    These are aftermarket... I'm such a dumbass, I cut the bars that came with the bike! Was too used to my XC bike so out came the hacksaw without thinking. Soon as I rode it, I knew I'd F'd up. So my GF bought me these cuz I whined so much (LBS had 'em in stock) so I gave her my chopped down ones (she loves 'em) and put the fresh ones on. The new ones have a bit more rise than the stockers... they're sweet for my 6'3" bod. Same Kona logo as stockers.

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    Thanks guys!
    From all the handlebars you mentioned, I only found a few in online Europe stores, and the Race Face Atlas FR is discontinued in black (only in orange is still available). The only option remaining is the Renthal FatBar Riser Bar (Renthal FatBar Riser Bar | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com). Good choice? I don't know about the rise, since I've only ridden flat bars in the past, but I'm willing to try it out.
    Edit: I already ordered the orange ESI Chunky grips!

    As for the fork, I already read somewhere in this thread that 140mm would be a good choice, so I was contemplating the Fox 34 TALAS 29 140 FIT CTD, would that be ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Thanks guys!
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    As for the fork, I already read somewhere in this thread that 140mm would be a good choice, so I was contemplating the Fox 34 TALAS 29 140 FIT CTD, would that be ok?
    Um... yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    As for the fork, I already read somewhere in this thread that 140mm would be a good choice, so I was contemplating the Fox 34 TALAS 29 140 FIT CTD, would that be ok?
    I just ordered a '12 RS Revelation RCT3 140mm from CRC for a little more than $400 US. From what I have read here its just as good of a fork as the 34 if you are small/medium sized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    I just ordered a '12 RS Revelation RCT3 140mm from CRC for a little more than $400 US. From what I have read here its just as good of a fork as the 34 if you are small/medium sized.
    Wouldn't mind a cheapier solution. I'm 1.96m though (6'5"), so I wouldn't say I'm small/medium sized. Or do you mean weight-wise?

    Also, the RS Relevation is white...

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    It seems to be more of a weight thing. I hope it works out for me at 180 lbs. The 2012 I ordered is black. I can't post up a link because I just got to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    It seems to be more of a weight thing. I hope it works out for me at 180 lbs. The 2012 I ordered is black. I can't post up a link because I just got to work.
    Rock Shox Revelation RCT3 29" Dual Air 1.5" Taper 2012 | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com
    This is one? 56% off, not bad!
    I'm usually between 200-220 lbs.

    Reviews seem to be good too, is it the correct size etc for the Honzo? If so I just might order it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMtnB44 View Post
    Did you try a large, or only the medium?
    I have tired a large after the fact and it seemed to fit OK but the front end, as I figured, seemed somewhat vague. Regarding the setback post, I did worry about the CG but I hated how the bike felt like a unicycle with handlebars. Maybe @ 6'2" with a 35" inseam and long arms I have an unusual build, but I am quite happy with the 18". At least we can all agree that the Honzo is a great frame that can satisfy any style of riding/terrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Rock Shox Revelation RCT3 29" Dual Air 1.5" Taper 2012 | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com
    This is one? 56% off, not bad!
    I'm usually between 200-220 lbs.

    Reviews seem to be good too, is it the correct size etc for the Honzo? If so I just might order it.
    Get another $15 off using 15USD coupon code. I might pull the trigger on that as well as I'm a lightweight, but the X-Fusion offerings (Slide and upcoming 34mm Trace) seem intriguing. Apparently, my wallet doesn't seem to agree on how great a Talas would be. Anyone else consider an X-Fusion, or is the Revelation RCT3 the way to go at that price point.

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    Ok, you guys on here have got me really conflicted. My Honzo frame has arrived and is sitting in my living room. I'm just not sure if I should send it back for a large, or build up the medium. I sort of feel like my riding style gravitates towards smaller frames. Singlespeed, always out of the sadle and throwing the bike around. I'm just not sure what I should do...

    If there are more 6' tall riders riding a medium (without a long stem and setback post) I'd sure like to hear about how it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenaustin View Post
    Get another $15 off using 15USD coupon code. I might pull the trigger on that as well as I'm a lightweight,...
    What's up with the weight concern? Do reviews say it is not a good fork for heavier people? I'd rather spend more for a fork that is good for my bodytype, then spend half for a fork that isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Rock Shox Revelation RCT3 29" Dual Air 1.5" Taper 2012 | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com
    This is one? 56% off, not bad!
    I'm usually between 200-220 lbs.

    Reviews seem to be good too, is it the correct size etc for the Honzo? If so I just might order it.
    I have two RS Revs, one on Honzo & one on Turner Sultan. Both set @140mm. Both '12 models. I'm 6'3", 200# (more with gear). I have no complaints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post

    As for the fork, I already read somewhere in this thread that 140mm would be a good choice, so I was contemplating the Fox 34 TALAS 29 140 FIT CTD, would that be ok?
    Don't bother with the Talas 34 IMO. That's what I had on my Honzo when I first built it because I had to have black lowers lol. Did I ever use the Talas feature? Once. And that was that. The search for a black Float 34 started and I finally found one mid season. The Float is a lighter fork, felt smoother, and definitely a lot less to go wrong since the Talas likes to stopped working and you're usually stock at the lowest setting. At 110mm on the Honzo, there was way too many rock strikes and never really liked how it rode. 140mm is perfect for this bike. And the Talas was my first travel adjust fork as well. Never buying another one.

    If you're getting orange Esi grips then I imagine you're on the 2013 frameset and in all honesty, I'd prefer a white Float with that paint scheme, which makes finding a Float 34 that much easier.

    As for the Revelation 140 29er fork, I had one on my bike too (right after I noticed my Fox 34 Float with the dreaded CSU creaking), biggest difference to me was the lowered A-2-C measurement of it (548mm) compared to the Fox 34 (552). It definitely felt different from my setup with the Fox 34 with the stem slapped with only one 2.5mm spacer. With the Revelation I had to throw 10mm worth of spacers to get the position back ideally. The second difference was stiffness. With the Revelation, it was much easier to feel it twisting if you simply held the front wheel with your legs and decided to turn the handlebars. IMO the 32mm stanchions of the Revelation are a lot more noticeable in less stiffness than people's debate over the 20mm Maxle vs the Fox 15QR. Wasn't that impressed with it and maybe if I wasn't such a clyde last season (pushing 265 lbs, down to 195 lbs as of today), I would've formed a different opinion of the Revelation fork, I really wanted to like it, as I paid silly money for both Revelations take-offs I had (don't ask why lol) compared to the $$$ black Fox Float 34.

    And you have to ask yourself if you want to mess with the 2012 Dual Air damper, that was another turn off for me. I'm a set it and forget it type of rider, never really enjoy tuning my previous Rockshox Pike 454 Air that was Dual Air as well.

    For a rider hovering around 200 lbs, I say the 2012 Revelation 140 is definitely worth checking out from CRC for around $400 if on a budget. If you don't like it, you won't loose much trying to sell it. But if we're talking MSRP, I say go Float 34 vs a 2013 Revelation, you can't beat it, but are you willing to drop $800+ on a fork, you surely won't be disappointed by it at all. Especially with Fox's warranty department as well. They've been stellar in my own experiences (more on that later) vs the nightmare trying to deal with SRAM and a busted Reverb post.

    Lastly, the 34mm X Fusion Trace is worth mentioning, priced from $600-750, but it's been getting pushed back monthly now, latest ETA is April last I heard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    Ok, you guys on here have got me really conflicted.
    If there are more 6' tall riders riding a medium (without a long stem and setback post) I'd sure like to hear about how it is.
    Well, I am 5'-9" on a small, inline post and 50mm stem, and couldn't be happier with the fit. I don't find the small to be a tight fit for my height.

    I think a medium would be bang-on for you, personally.

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    Don't bother with the Talas 34 IMO. That's what I had on my Honzo when I first built it because I had to have black lowers lol. Did I ever use the Talas feature? Once. And that was that. The search for a black Float 34 started and I finally found one mid season. The Float is a lighter fork, felt smoother, and definitely a lot less to go wrong since the Talas likes to stopped working and you're usually stock at the lowest setting. At 110mm on the Honzo, there was way too many rock strikes and never really liked how it rode. 140mm is perfect for this bike. And the Talas was my first travel adjust fork as well. Never buying another one.

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    I agree with this 100%. I've owned two travel-adjust forks in my life, never used the reduced travel feature on either of them. Reduced A-to-C climbs & descends worse than full travel. Plus more to go wrong with the fork. Plus more expensive to begin with.

    May sound like a good idea while shopping, but not in practice. IMO buy a 140mm fork. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    Ok, you guys on here have got me really conflicted. My Honzo frame has arrived and is sitting in my living room. I'm just not sure if I should send it back for a large, or build up the medium. I sort of feel like my riding style gravitates towards smaller frames. Singlespeed, always out of the sadle and throwing the bike around. I'm just not sure what I should do...

    If there are more 6' tall riders riding a medium (without a long stem and setback post) I'd sure like to hear about how it is.
    I'm 6' and ride a 18" with a 50mm stem with a 760mm bar and a non set back post and it feels great. At first it seemed just slightly small, since my other trail bike has a .5" longer top tube, but after a couple rides i got used to it. Now it feels perfect and I wouldn't want it any bigger. It's really easy to flick around.

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    I'm 5' 11" and got the large frame (20) and a 50mm stem. Fits perfect. I've got a longer inseam than most people my height. My friend is 5' 10" with a similar inseam and she rocked the bike like it was a toy.

    I can toss it around with ease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i.a.n. View Post
    I'm 5' 11" and got the large frame (20) and a 50mm stem. Fits perfect. I've got a longer inseam than most people my height. My friend is 5' 10" with a similar inseam and she rocked the bike like it was a toy.

    I can toss it around with ease.
    This is the good and sometimes bad thing about being 6'. We tend to be able to use a large or medium frame which is great, but it can sure make it harder to decide which size to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad-Duck View Post
    This is the good and sometimes bad thing about being 6'. We tend to be able to use a large or medium frame which is great, but it can sure make it harder to decide which size to go.
    Agreed. I am actually riding a small Jabberwocky currently. I do not feel cramped on it and it doesn't hinder my riding in any way. The only thing that makes it too small is the fact that I KNOW it's too small...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    What's up with the weight concern? Do reviews say it is not a good fork for heavier people? I'd rather spend more for a fork that is good for my bodytype, then spend half for a fork that isn't.
    It's not a concern so much as an observation. All the threads I have read seem to echo most people won't notice a difference in stiffness between an F34 and a RS Rev until you get up in rider weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    It's not a concern so much as an observation. All the threads I have read seem to echo most people won't notice a difference in stiffness between an F34 and a RS Rev until you get up in rider weight.
    I have not tried an F34, but I do have a Fox 36 160 and a Fox 32 140 (26er forks). I am 160lbs, so not a heavyweight, and I can easily feel the 32 flexing all over the joint. Both forks are 1.125 steerer tube.

    I wouldn't expect the 34 to be a rock like the 36, but physics tells me it should be an improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squads View Post
    I have not tried an F34, but I do have a Fox 36 160 and a Fox 32 140 (26er forks). I am 160lbs, so not a heavyweight, and I can easily feel the 32 flexing all over the joint. Both forks are 1.125 steerer tube.

    I wouldn't expect the 34 to be a rock like the 36, but physics tells me it should be an improvement.
    I've owned both a 1 1/8 Fox 36 and now the Fox 34, I don't feel I've given anything up but, both are rock solid. 32mm stanchion should have no place on long travel forks IMO, especially on 29ers. They belong on a 100mm SID or F29.
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    nice! and with a wite fork

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    Nice pic, nice bike Looks like that's the only hill in a 100 mile radius

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    P.S: BTW, does anyone know the height of a 2013 Honzo (preferably size M)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by problematiks View Post
    Nice pic, nice bike Looks like that's the only hill in a 100 mile radius

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    P.S: BTW, does anyone know the height of a 2013 Honzo (preferably size M)?
    I ride a medium. What measurement are you referring to? Is it something that isn't on the geo chart, like handlebar height, or are you referring to standover?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    I ride a medium. What measurement are you referring to? Is it something that isn't on the geo chart, like handlebar height, or are you referring to standover?
    What is your height if you don't mind? That picture makes a medium look a bit smaller than I expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squads View Post
    What is your height if you don't mind? That picture makes a medium look a bit smaller than I expected.
    I'm 5'10, 200lbs, 31-32 inch inseam, longish torso. I have that effect on bikes, making them look smaller. You should see how small a 26" bike looks under me. It's similar to a Niner bike medium if you're familiar with that brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squads View Post
    What is your height if you don't mind? That picture makes a medium look a bit smaller than I expected.
    Here's a pic of me standing next to my old medium Honzo, same geo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    I'm 5'10, 200lbs, 31-32 inch inseam, longish torso. I have that effect on bikes, making them look smaller. You should see how small a 26" bike looks under me. It's similar to a Niner bike medium if you're familiar with that brand.
    Great, thanks for the info. I am definitely going with a large frame. I am 6'1/2", 165lbs, 33" inseam and monkey arms. I can tell from that riding pic that I would be too far out over the back wheel if I rode a medium w/50mm stem.

    It also confirms the white fork looks good with the gold

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    Quote Originally Posted by squads View Post
    Great, thanks for the info. I am definitely going with a large frame. I am 6'1/2", 165lbs, 33" inseam and monkey arms. I can tell from that riding pic that I would be too far out over the back wheel if I rode a medium w/50mm stem.

    It also confirms the white fork looks good with the gold
    Yeah, a medium would be too small for you. I had to switch to a 65mm stem to open up the cockpit more. A large would have worked for me, but I'd have no standover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    I ride a medium. What measurement are you referring to? Is it something that isn't on the geo chart, like handlebar height, or are you referring to standover?
    Oops, that was a typo...I meant weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    It's been covered so many times.

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    I have a CC40 and would definitely buy it again, anything above that is just bike bling.

    There's also a Hope headset that fits, its lower cup is huge and most likely will have to be special ordered via LBS from Hope UK directly.
    Another noob question, is this independ of the fork used? Still doubting between a fox 34 (really don't like the white), the x-fusion trace (not much info to find on the net about availability), or that rockshox relevation in discount (only 32 stanchion). But is it ok to already order a headset, or do I have to make sure I know which fork I'm going to get first?

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    ^ All those mentioned come with a tapered steerer so you're good to go with any headset I've link and it'll work just fine with any tapered fork.
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    thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by i.a.n. View Post
    You won't be disappointed. And from what I've read the small is much lighter, so you should be able to get it under 26 pounds.
    Since the price was so nice, I just pulled the trigger on an overstocked 2012 Revelation RCT3 (non-dual position) and headset. Looking forward to getting this project rolling again.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the rear dropout sliders are IS mount style, no? So if I buy a post mount brake, I need an IS to Post mount adapter? This one: Shimano Post Mount Calliper Adapter for Rear IS Frame Mounts | Evans Cycles

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    On the '12, yes, IS tab sliders. Can't speak for the '13 model, though I'd assume it's also IS.

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    Yeah, it's got ISO tabs. Any shop will have the adapter, they're common. I had a couple floating around in my toolbox. No real issue.

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    Nobody with info about stock Honzo 2013 (size M, but any other will be a good start, too) weight?

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    Did you check Honzo frame weight out?
    Edit: excuse me, you probably want the weight of the frame nd all stock parts

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    New fork for 2013 season!

    Back to my fork story, my old 2012 Fox 34 Float FIT RLC developed the dreaded CSU creaking midway through lastseason. I finally received my fork back from FOX service yesterday after sitting there for a good solid week. Either way I was only hoping for a rebuild and CSU replacement, but FOX stepped it up and offered to send me a complete new Fox 34 Float. Only choice I had to make was either the 2012 damper FIT RLC or 2013 CTD. I politely declined the CTD stuff, and went for the FIT RLC damper, but they upgraded me to the new and improved Fox Float Air spring (updated for longer travel Floats 130-180mm travel) which has been getting awesome reviews compared to the CTD damper. Definitely is going to be a more linear fork, feeling coil-like almost. And lucked out again and received black lowers as well. Reason for Fox keeping my old fork was they are doing a case study of the creaking CSU by their engineers and would have rather kept my old one whole (not too many 34s have been going back for creaking) instead of only the CSU, no problem with me on that. Once again, I've been surprised by the customer service support at Fox and will continue being their fan boy.
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    Just wanted to add to the sizing question. Im about 5-9 and had a Trance X3 in size Medium prior to the Honzo. I bought a Medium Honzo frame despite what appears to be a close match in terms of geo of the small Honzo and medium Trance. Just finished building up the Honzo and took it for a spin in the neighborhood. Medium felt perfect. I think a small may have been too compact for me. I did buy a 40mm stem because I thought the medium might be too big after reading some of the posts here. I could go to a 50mm and I believe it would still fit great. Not sure how some of the riders here who are taller than I are riding a small frame.

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    5'9 on a small!


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    ^ The red with the gold looks awesome. Have you lowered your fork though? Looks like it's sitting lower than 140mm. New pedals too I see.
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    Thanks, I still don't feel I've gotten a decent picture of it yet....
    Super fun ride on it today though, I love the Honzo.... it's like a big BMX cruiser. perfect for the tight slalomy trails we ride today.
    Fork should be at 140, but I'll double check it!
    Same pedals (old straitlines, going strong).

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    Maybe it's the angle and the fender playing tricks on me lol, I was going off this pic.
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    What size do you think would be good for me? Im 6,2 with 34" inseem.
    How long is the stem that comes with the complete bike build? I am leaning towards 20L (22") frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jocke.n View Post
    What size do you think would be good for me? Im 6,2 with 34" inseem.
    How long is the stem that comes with the complete bike build? I am leaning towards 20L (22") frame.
    60mm stem on all sizes.
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    For me sizing comes down to top tube length. I personally prefer a longer TT and shorter stem. With that said I've got a 34+ inch inseam and I'm only 5'11". I know, I'm a freak. I went with a large frame (20) and 50mm stem. The TT length is shorter than Kona advertises, so my cockpit is a tiny bit compact, but I don't mind it. I was thinking of going with a 60mm stem, but I've gotten used to the 50mm and really like it now.

    Since you're 3 inches taller than me I'm thinking the 22 might be a better fit. I don't know the stem length on the stock build, but I'd imagine it's in the 70mm range.

    Hope this helps.

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    What size do you think would be good for me? Im 6,2 with 34" inseem.
    How long is the stem that comes with the complete bike build? I am leaning towards 20L (22") frame.

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    Totally stock exept the atlas bar
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    ^ I have the same bar on my Yelli Screamy, cut to 740mm. Awsome choice.

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    Anyone know if a set of Paragon Machine Works sliders will fit these frames? Or Explosif 27.5?

    EDIT - Got an email back from P.M.W. Their sliding dropouts use a 9mm wide x 9mm tall boss. Does that fit/work with the Kona frames?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mathieusaintjean View Post
    Totally stock exept the atlas bar
    I really like that bar! Ties in nicely.

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    Nice photo. The way the colour of the bar and the frame logo stands out is cool.
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Ok I've been beating the crap out of mine for a year so I guess I should post up! Got some new bits i am excited about too:

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    Gravity Dropper Turbo sans boot
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    Running the stock ethirteen chainguide which still works fine with the smaller chainring...
    THANKs to all of you for your posts/suggestions...this is a great forum and you all have really helped me dial in the build - really happy with the bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CBizzie View Post
    Ok I've been beating the crap out of mine for a year so I guess I should post up! Got some new bits i am excited about too:

    2012 Honzo 18"
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    BB7 mech brakes, speeddial
    Gravity Dropper Turbo sans boot
    Ardent 2.4 front, Geax Saguaro rear tire

    Running the stock ethirteen chainguide which still works fine with the smaller chainring...
    THANKs to all of you for your posts/suggestions...this is a great forum and you all have really helped me dial in the build - really happy with the bike!

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    Takin' the frame to the local shop for headtube milling and facing tomorrow. Hopefully they can git'r'done over the weekend. Brakes are in the mail. Need some 191mm spokes for a crap-tacular 20mm through-axle wheel rebuild.

    Times are tough. This is a work in progress. Upgrades will be made, but I'd rather be riding it than looking at it meanwhile.

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    Here she is! Got in a good ride on it yesterday. Crazy fun bike to ride!

    I'm really glad I didn't go with the large. The medium fits me perfectly. Anything bigger would feel like a bus.

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    I'm really glad I didn't go with the large.
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    after seeing the small frame sorta mocked up in the basement, i'm feeling the same way about not going for a medium. nothing is worse than a too large bike when you want things to go "brrrrap!"

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    So, what size frame for 5'10"? Sounds like either S or M depending on rider preference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by in the trees View Post
    So, what size frame for 5'10"? Sounds like either S or M depending on rider preference?
    Yep. we're close in height- I'm 5-9" with a 32" inseam on my Levis, riding a small, love it. 50mm stem and 30" bars. seat height on my bikes runs 29" BB to top of saddle. The small definitely has a big-BMX bike feel, but actually doesn't feel cramped at all length-wise. The short chainstays and wheelbase are a blast- super easy to lift the front end and snap the bike around corners, unlike many 29'ers.

    Something to keep in mind is that the small Honzo actually has a longer wheelbase than a medium yelli screamy, despite the honzo having shorter chainstays. Canfield doesn't post stack/reach, but that says to me the reach on the small kona may be longer than the medium canfield. Having owned both bikes I'd say that sounds about right.

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    Yep, and the medium has an extra inch of wheelbase over the small. Since all of the Honzo sizes have the same length rear end, this translates to an extra 25mm of front center. The top tube length on this bike is a deceptive number to go by. You want to size it based on the appropriate front center for your riding style.

    Also, the fact that everybody seems to put a 140mm fork on the thing makes the Eff. TT lengths longer than advertised. So put that in your pipe and smoke it a while...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    Here she is! Got in a good ride on it yesterday. Crazy fun bike to ride!

    I'm really glad I didn't go with the large. The medium fits me perfectly. Anything bigger would feel like a bus.

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    That does it, I've made the decision and ordered the Revelation too. At such a discount, it's too good to pass up. XX1 crank delivery is delayed again with 4 weeks though

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    Hey FM, looking at the Honzo and that helped a lot for my sizing! Curious what your thoughts are on the Yelli vs Honzo. And also why you didn't go with a Paradox. Been riding a v1 medium Spitfire, and in the process of replacing it with a v2 small spitty frame. I like the Honzo's pricepoint as this would be my first 29er HT experience... and wanted something that feels like my spitty and scirocco.

    Also, is there anything that needs to be immediately upgraded from the stock build? Just planning to swap bars/stem and see if I can get 140mm out of the stock fork.

    Thanks!


    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Yep. we're close in height- I'm 5-9" with a 32" inseam on my Levis, riding a small, love it. 50mm stem and 30" bars. seat height on my bikes runs 29" BB to top of saddle. The small definitely has a big-BMX bike feel, but actually doesn't feel cramped at all length-wise. The short chainstays and wheelbase are a blast- super easy to lift the front end and snap the bike around corners, unlike many 29'ers.

    Something to keep in mind is that the small Honzo actually has a longer wheelbase than a medium yelli screamy, despite the honzo having shorter chainstays. Canfield doesn't post stack/reach, but that says to me the reach on the small kona may be longer than the medium canfield. Having owned both bikes I'd say that sounds about right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtysurfer View Post
    Curious what your thoughts are on the Yelli vs Honzo. And also why you didn't go with a Paradox.
    Cool. The Yelli and Honzo are both great rides! I had so many good times on my Yelli, and it saw everything from Epic XC rides to black diamon shuttle runs. Without doubt I found it capable of hanging on many rides where my buddies were riding 160mm FS bikes.

    The Yelli and Honzo are similar in many ways, but the weight, chainstay length and BB height differences are noticable. The Honzo is more fun to jump, manual and slash corners with. Generally a better descender. The Yelli is a little better as an XC ride- the lighter weight and longer stays were nice for long climbs. FWIW, I don't recall the Yelli as being "too stiff" despite being aluminum... likewise the Honzo is pretty stiff for a steel frame.

    They are both great, but I'm stoked to have the Honzo. Steel, shorter stays and sliding drops! A buddy has a paradox, also a great bike....

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    Quote Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    I really like that bar! Ties in nicely.
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    6'3" on a large... And really don't regret it

    Xl is probably for Green giant?

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