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    For a small guy, 5'8 140, should I run my Revelationa RCT3 at 130mm or 140? Originally planned to leave at 140, but reading back through this thread I read a few comments about shorter guys having steering/wandering issues with a longer fork.

    I know I can adjust it later but the fork is getting installed tomorrow and I didnt want to take it back in and pay more to add/remove a spacer later on.

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    Leave it at 140mm, get a short stem and toughen up on the climbs. My Honzo climbs like a goat with a Fox 34 140mm and a 50mm stem. It's all technique really.
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    +1 on 140mm. I'm also vertically challenged, but really hasn't been a disadvantage in anyway assuming all other fit-related components are dialed in. I'm running a 40mm stem, small frame. It does take some adjustment on climbing technique, but once you have that down pat, it's a great climber. In fact, I've only been able to clean this one long technical climb with many switchbacks once out of many, many tries on various bikes (80mm rigid, geared, XC, etc.) , and it was on the Honzo at 140mm, set up as SS.

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    On a small, also 5'9", running 750mm bars 50mm with a RCT3 set 140mm. I can't imagine running my bike any other way. It climbs better than my old xc frame did and on the downs the 140 opens my confidence. FWIW, I would just get the bike built then worry about experimenting after a few months.

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    Fair enough. I think all this waiting is just driving me nuts. Trying to get a few rides in before the snow really hits here in CO. I think I should be good. I have a 55mm stem and I can easily move a few spacers up if I feel the front end is a smudge tall.

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    first time posting. have been riding my '13 XL Honzo for several months now and love it. only thing i have changed from the stock build is putting on a Zee RD and shifter. ordered a RS Pike rct3 140 with 51mm offset to replace the stock RS revelation as I found it slightly noodly for my bigness. will post pics as soon as i install the fork! thanks for all the suggestions and posts, really helped me decide to get this wonderful bike!

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    Here it is. Just finished up...

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    Super excited to ride it tomorrow. With some heavy diamondback flat pedals, it comes in at 28 lbs almost exactly. Not sure if I'm a fan of the blue stuff but makes it look a bit unique at least.

    Thanks for all the help with parts and advice here.

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    I have the '14 Honzo (love it) and am thinking about mixing up the color scheme from the army tank green/black to having some orange accents (handlebars, seatpost clamp, and chainring). I can't find a 30 tooth chainring that is orange to save my life. Anybody know of any that are out there? And thoughts on if the orange accents would work or look tacky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ynot89 View Post
    if the orange accents would work or look tacky?
    Of course it would look tacky, that is the reason you are doing it, right?

    I have a matt gold 2013 frame and have ordered all the parts I could find in anodized gold. My Honzo will be a puke worthy bling-bling machine. Now to learn to ride so well that it would compensate for the stupid looks of the bike.

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    Impressions of the Honzo so far (3 rides in):

    1. Man this thing is fun to ride
    2. 29 inch wheels really make things easier
    3. Gonna take some getting used to from FS. The steel helps with the trail chatter, but some rockier trails have made my arms and legs feel like Jello. Got tossed around a little bit. Just need to get stronger.
    4. Climbs like a goat. Very surprised how nimble and good at climbing it is.
    5. This bike will get me in shape. Not in great shape yet, and the 1x10 setup definitely had me feeling the climbs. 32T chainring and 11-36 cassette in back.
    6. This bike will make me a better rider

    I am coming off a 2011 Fuel EX 8 26". I have nothing bad to say about that bike. I loved it and the suspension was truly amazing on that line. I recently finished my Honzo and sold my EX 8. I have only been on 3 rides, and still need to learn and adjust to my new bike.

    So far, the two drawbacks have been the roughness on rocky trails without suspension, and a little less twisty cornerning ability. That said, I feel the Honzo can rail into corners at a faster speed, just not sharper turning. The Honzo climbs better (especially once I get into shape), and I can fly down things. I love the simplicity of it, and it really does feel like a tank. I found myself purposely picking worse lines just to see the Honzo crush what was in front of it.

    Love it so far, need some time to adapt, but I am really really diggin it.
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    Anybody with a Rockshox Rev 140, what Pressure do you run it at? For my weight (140), it recommended 70-90 and I currently have it at 85. Feels good, only goes up about 3/4... I've never owned a RS fork and I didnt know if there was any important feedback I was missing.

    Also, what is good for rebound. I tried googling but had a hard time sorting through the junk. The fork appeared to have about 13 clicks (though hard to tell as some seemed like lesser clicks, if that makes sense). I set mine all the way to slow, then went 7 clicks the opposite way.

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    My negative was 10 more than positive for much better small bump compliance. I don't remember what I had for rebound though.

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    Didn't want to start a whole new thread so I thought I'd post this here, hopefully that's cool.

    How would a large 2013 honzo fit someone that's 5'8''? I've found a sweet deal on one locally and would like to snatch it up but I don't really have an opportunity to try it out as there's 5-6 inches of snow on the ground now. Would the frame be too big for me?

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    I'm 6'/32" inseam and I ride an 18", my wife is 5'10"/31" inseam and also rides an 18". The 18" fits us well, I'd ride an 18" even if I had another inch or so of inseam, but anything bigger would be too big.

    These bikes are long in the TT and are already sporting a short stem (55mm), I went down to a 45mm stem to improve quick handling, so anything longer would really stretch me out; I have long arms, normal torso.

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    I'm 5'8 and a ride a small and it fits really well. From everything I read, they run big, so I went for a small (I usually get a M or 17.5 for other bikes), but this fits really well.

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    Foir fit, the stock Honzo set up is a good place to start, 55mm stem and wide bars (740?). I run a 45mm on my Taro, but kept the 55mm on the Honzo, 720mm Fleegle bars on both. The Honzo is a smoother rider downhill, perhaps a little less agile in the twisty stuff than the Taro, but also more stable and has less of a mind to head for trees.

    My HOnzo is gold frame, red parts, all blend in together to fit very well with the orange lettering. I had to order a new rear hub this week, the Formula was trashed by the previous owner, broken pawls and such, apparently this is not uncommon. I found a set of Hope Evos in red for $250 new, so I'm a wheel rebuilding this weekend

    I'm running a Narrow Wide RF chainring on both bikes, no chain drops to date, the chain on the Taro is shortened by one link, the chain in the Honzo is stock length. The Taro chain is within one link of being "as tight as it should get" so it makes a single speed buzz. The Honzo chain is long, probably too long, so I'l be busting a few links out this weekend.

    In terms of climbing, I have found the Honzo to be a very agile uphill rider, better than the Taro, but to be fair I also have the Honzo drop outs in the furthest rearward position. I really can't complain about this bike, it fits, it rides well, and though it's a bit porky, it doesn't ride heavy. A long day in the saddle can be "jarring", but I think that has more to do with the terrain (rooty and rocky) than it does the bike.

    The only downside in my mind is the low BB, I end up with a fair number of pedal strikes, but the low BB also handles better, so it's a trade off. It sure does handle nice for a 29er, makes me think that for all those people who are "bah humbug" on 29ers, that they need to take a short chainstay 29er for a spin! Big wheels rule

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    I got my Pike in today along with a full set of black Hope trimmings, can't wait to get off work so I can start wrenching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallejo View Post
    I'm 5'8 and a ride a small and it fits really well. From everything I read, they run big, so I went for a small (I usually get a M or 17.5 for other bikes), but this fits really well.
    Damn, so that means a large will be too big.

    There's probably no way of adjusting for that with a way short stem then? Other parts of the geometry will be out of whack I guess.

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    it already has a short stem. a large will be way too big for you.

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    2013 Large with 140 Fox, P35/Hadley wheels, etc etc.
    it rules
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    Why using a chainguide with a Narrowwide?

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    Valid question. I had that setup before the NW rings came in stock.
    Now I just keep it there for the bash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Nony Moose View Post
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    Nony Moose: veery nice.

    Mvallejo: I am 5'9" and test rode a Medium and Small, both stock with the 120 forks. I am planning on putting a 140 on mine and there is no way I could do that on the Medium. As it was, I was nearly maxxed out on stand over on the Medium and it felt long (even with the short stem). With a 140, I wouldn't be able to clear the top tube standing over the bike.
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    The Honzo is not very large.

    I ride an XL Cannondale F29. With the 110mm stem the horizontal distance from handlebar center to seat post center is 74 cm.

    I am just finishing the build on my 2013 XL Honzo. With a 50 mm stem the horizontal distance from handlebar center to seat post center is 69 cm, 5 cm shorter than the Cannondale.

    I am going to change the Cannondale stem to 90 mm, and then the Honzo will still be 3 cm shorter than the Cannondale. The Cannondale is my "race" bike so the long and low riding position is just right.

    Having made these measurements I am glad that I bought the XL Honzo, not the L size. I am 6'3".

    My build stopped for now as I do not have the tools to force the stem star nut into the steering tube, and I need to buy an 8" postmount to postmount brake adapter for the front (I erroneously bought an IS to postmount adapter). I should get those two done tomorrow.

    I decided to make the bike tacky so I have used as many gold anodized parts as I could find: handlebar, seatpost clamp, stem spacers, brake disc bolts.

    As it is winter and snowing already and I will use the bike to commute through the winter, I put on Nokia Extreme 294 spiked tires. Very Honzo, I think.

    I cannot wait to get this bike done and go on the first ride. Thank you all for the inspiration!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ynot89 View Post
    I have the '14 Honzo (love it) and am thinking about mixing up the color scheme from the army tank green/black to having some orange accents (handlebars, seatpost clamp, and chainring). I can't find a 30 tooth chainring that is orange to save my life. Anybody know of any that are out there? And thoughts on if the orange accents would work or look tacky?
    I knew I would find you on this thread... go with the orange if you haven't already, it'll look great. You should consider up'ing the fork to 140mm too, it would be a big confidence booster!

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    I have almost completed this build, only front brake adapter and stem cap and star nut are missing.

    The weight is 14.9 kg, 32.8 lbs.

    The build is like this:

    RockShox Revelation RL Dual Air 130 mm 20mm
    Truvativ Descendant 36T 175 mm cranks
    SRAM GXP bottom bracket
    WTB Frequency i-23 rims, SRAM X9 hubs (20mm front, 142x12 rear), 2.0mm unbutted spokes
    XT Shadow 9 spd rear derailleur
    XT 9 spd shifter pod
    XT 11-34 cassette
    Ritchey seat post (31.6mm x 400mm)
    WTB SST Racing saddle
    Nokia Extreme 294 front and W240 rear studded tires, probably heavy as hell
    Nukeproof Warhead 44IETS headset
    Kore B-52 K34 Stem 50 mm
    Kore Torsion ED Gold 800 mm handlebar
    Hayes Stroker Gram brakes, Hayes 203/160 rotors
    WTB Moto-X grips
    XT HG93 9 spd chain
    e*thirteen LS1+ chain retention device
    Shimano M530 pedals

    Photos will follow when I complete the build and when it is light enough on the street to shoot photos.

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    I've read earlier in the thread that reaming and facing was a necessity on the frames, happy to report that I didn't have to do a thing to mine

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    I just swapped out the 32 tooth chainring to a race face narrow wide 30tooth ring and dropped the chainring. Will I have to have links removed from my chain to accommodate for losing this tension in the chain?

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    Do you have a clutch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasu View Post
    I have almost completed this build, only front brake adapter and stem cap and star nut are missing.

    The weight is 14.9 kg, 32.8 lbs.

    The build is like this:

    RockShox Revelation RL Dual Air 130 mm 20mm
    Truvativ Descendant 36T 175 mm cranks
    SRAM GXP bottom bracket
    WTB Frequency i-23 rims, SRAM X9 hubs (20mm front, 142x12 rear), 2.0mm unbutted spokes
    XT Shadow 9 spd rear derailleur
    XT 9 spd shifter pod
    XT 11-34 cassette
    Ritchey seat post (31.6mm x 400mm)
    WTB SST Racing saddle
    Nokia Extreme 294 front and W240 rear studded tires, probably heavy as hell
    Nukeproof Warhead 44IETS headset
    Kore B-52 K34 Stem 50 mm
    Kore Torsion ED Gold 800 mm handlebar
    Hayes Stroker Gram brakes, Hayes 203/160 rotors
    WTB Moto-X grips
    XT HG93 9 spd chain
    e*thirteen LS1+ chain retention device
    Shimano M530 pedals

    Photos will follow when I complete the build and when it is light enough on the street to shoot photos.
    Looked up the tires. About 1800 g for the pair.
    No moss...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    Do you have a clutch?
    yeah, i still have the stock RD (shimano shadow deore)

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    I took my newly built Honzo for the first spin. It was just along urban bike tracks, snow covered and icy, though. Did several locked front wheel slides, among other antics. What a bike! I do not know why, yet, but the bike feels like a clown on steroids.

    My Cannondale F29 feels like a serious racer, pushes the rider to go faster and faster. The Honzo, on the other hand, begs you to turn, jump, twist, slide, brake, accelerate, laugh your head off. The Honzo feels solid like a tank and quick like a fly. Kona, you have created magic!

    About sizing... I am 6'3" and ride XL and 21-22" size mountain bikes. The XL Honzo is just the right size. The effective length feels maybe a bit short even with a 65 mm stem, I will probably try a longer stem one of these days. The frame could not be any smaller for me.

    By the way, my heel hit the gear cable by the derailleur, so I had to flatten the cable closer to the frame to keep it clear of my shoe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ynot89 View Post
    yeah, i still have the stock RD (shimano shadow deore)
    I'd give it a spin then, moving up or down only 2t shouldn't give you too many issues if any. With my XX1 I can swap chainrings within 2t of eachother and not have problems.

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    Update time


    A dozen or so rides and love the bike more every time. The short chain stay playfulness is incredibly addictive, it still surprises me how such a heavy duty steel beast can want to hop, launch and fly down even pretty aggro SoCal rocky trails.


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    Wide 800 mm handlebar


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    Left some spacers so the fork steering tube would fit some other bike in the future, too










    Spikes for the winter commute


    Lights, lights, lights... and reflectors






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    Honzo Build Thread - post your builds here

    Only about a week left for the wheels to be completed and I will be riding mine...build is currently:

    14 honzo 20"
    14 revelation fork
    Shimano deore brakes
    Stans flow ex with Chris king hubs
    Shimano deore crankset 32t
    20t Chris king ss cog
    Ardent tires
    Easton havoc carbon bars
    Kona seatpost & stem
    Specialized henge seat

    I bought a complete and sold off the parts that I didn't want/need. I still haven't ridden it so I hope I will like it! It will be a tank for a single speed, but I didn't want flexy rims for my 200lb self. Should be a fun do everything winter/ training/ backup bike to complement my 6" bike. I think it will come in heavier than my 6" bike too ....even as a single speed.

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    Seat post clamp recommendation? My stock kona one slips like crazy. I'm getting a dropper for X mas and don't want to have crank down on the seat tube so badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluidworks View Post
    Seat post clamp recommendation? My stock kona one slips like crazy. I'm getting a dropper for X mas and don't want to have crank down on the seat tube so badly.
    Clean your post and seat post tube, use some assembly grease, very light coating. The stock QR is pretty strong, you can get stronger ones but unless you clean up the other stuff, no clamp will be strong enough.

    I use a Hope QR, it has a brass bushing, so it doesn't get all chewed up like a Salsa.

    Seat posts should move so that a crash doesn't break anything, just saying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluidworks View Post
    Seat post clamp recommendation? My stock kona one slips like crazy. I'm getting a dropper for X mas and don't want to have crank down on the seat tube so badly.
    Chromag QR. Zero slips. Best I've ever used. As for the dropper, I'd skip carbon anti-slip paste if it's recommended by the brand. SRAM suggests to use it with the Reverb and I've had nothing but creaks for half a year dealing with it. Too little tension and the post slipped and creaked, too much tension it also creaked. A thin coating of grease on the post, the Chromag QR clamped tightly and zero slips and the Reverb works smoothly as well.
    konahonzo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluidworks View Post
    Seat post clamp recommendation? My stock kona one slips like crazy. I'm getting a dropper for X mas and don't want to have crank down on the seat tube so badly.
    Toothpaste works. Solved my slipping issues.

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    I just finished rebuilding the wheels on my used 2012 Honzo, the stock Formula rear hub was hash (broken pawls) so I got some Hope Evos for $250 and relaced both wheels. Added a 400mm seat post, a Hope QR seat post collar, a RF NW 32 chainring, new chain (may need a new gear set), On One Fleegle bars, and some Nuke Proof Electron pedals.

    also have a Taro which my wife is riding, both bikes are mediums, I'm 6' and the wife is 5'10", the stem on the Taro is 35mm, the Honzo is running a stock length stem. The two bikes ride very similar, though the Honzo has the better fork and a tad more BB height, whereas the Taro is a little lighter.

    I love my Honzo! There are times when I wish I had a lower gear, even contemplated a 42t rear cog, but it's not a big deal, I can work a little harder and stand a little more, it's really all about the down

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    Can you increase the stock rockshox revelation rl solo air fork that comes with the honzo to 140mm. Im having trouble finding this online. I can only find info for increasing travel for the dual air version.

    thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluidworks View Post
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    A dozen or so rides and love the bike more every time. The short chain stay playfulness is incredibly addictive, it still surprises me how such a heavy duty steel beast can want to hop, launch and fly down even pretty aggro SoCal rocky trails.


    I'm right there with you. I luckily got out of Colorado to California this winter so I have been able to ride it about a dozen times now, and I love it more every time. It is such a steel beast! Thought it would be rough to ride these rocky clay trails on a hardtail, but I was wrong. Everybody I see rides these $5k FS carbon and alum bikes and look at me like im crazy.

    This thing shreds. I seriously am loving it. Only thing I wish I had done when I built was maybe go with a 30T chainring. I currently have the 32T narrow/wide which is awesome, but could use a bit better climbing in some situations. Oh well, just gonna make me stronger.

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    My first post, and I'm proud it's of my Honzo in progress!

    2013 Honzo L
    Most parts are being used for now from my XTC 29er.
    Stans flow rims on Hope pro2 evo hubs (qr for now but 142 maxle on the way)
    On One Smorgasbord Trail extreme dual compound tyres 2.35
    XT (9 spd) drivetrain, with race face narrow wide 32T ring
    Giant dropper post
    Nukeproof headset
    Marzocchi Bomber 44 tst2 (waiting on a part to give me adjustable travel) then will sit at 120mm
    Raceface Atlas freeride bars
    Stem still to be decided on (DMR conrod is holding front end together but just mocked up)
    XT brakes, XT front rotor, superstar rear.
    weight 30.4lb






    Itching to get this done and out on some Peak district rock/mud!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmxmitch View Post
    Btw, thats my ride right now. New pedals and cranks should follow soon.


    That stem!!!! now looking for one for mine!

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    Many thanks Vegard... trawling for used ones first if at all possible!

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    Damn these bikes look super nice! Honzo on the list of hardtails i'm looking at! Not familiar with Kona Bikes...
    SWING YOUR LEG OVER IT AND PEDAL

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    I have Shimano Saint hubs and DT Swiss Competition 2.0/1.8/2.0 spokes on order, Sun Ringle MTX 33 36 hole rim for the back, WTB Frequency i-25 32 hole rim for the front already waiting and just ordered Maxxis Minion DHF 29x2.5 and DHR II 29x2.3 tires.

    These new Saint/MTX 33/i-25 wheels will be for summer clowning in the woods. Should be strong enough for a bit of hammering.

    The X9 hubbed WTB Frequency i-23 wheels the bike is wearing now have studded Nokian tires for winter commuting, and will have some moderate tires for summertime commutes.
    Last edited by sasu; 01-04-2014 at 11:38 AM.

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