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    What is the longest stem you guys are running on your honzo? I just picked up a 2014 xl honzo and I'm running a 60mm stem and 750mm bars and it still feels a little short at 6'5" tall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cburgin View Post
    What is the longest stem you guys are running on your honzo? I just picked up a 2014 xl honzo and I'm running a 60mm stem and 750mm bars and it still feels a little short at 6'5" tall.
    Does your seatpost have any offset? Might be better off increasing your cockpit length that way if it's an option

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    I've been reading pages and pages of this thread but can't find it...

    Does anyone know what the 2015 frame weighs?

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    2015 steel frame is +/- 7lbs depending who you ask
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    Quote Originally Posted by D(C) View Post
    I've been reading pages and pages of this thread but can't find it...

    Does anyone know what the 2015 frame weighs?
    I'll weigh my 2016 medium when I get it in about 3 weeks. Hopefully you can find an answer sooner.

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    Oh snap! Just got a call from my lbs. 2016 Honzos are in stock and mine will ship today. They said it should be here early next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    Oh snap! Just got a call from my lbs. 2016 Honzos are in stock and mine will ship today. They said it should be here early next week.
    Build it ASAP and pics please :-D

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    Oh snap! Just got a call from my lbs. 2016 Honzos are in stock and mine will ship today. They said it should be here early next week.
    Mine too, should have it next weekend!

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    Great news. I have a Ti on order, would be fantastic if it showed up in a couple of weeks, but I'm thinking it will be October before I'm riding. Going to be a loooong month and a bit

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    @Chunky: I'm jealous, and inching towards nabbing a Ti as well. Could you do me a favor and tell us what that frame weighs when it comes in? Looking to be an awesome ride...
    What size, btw?

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    Will do. I'm on a large. Most of my bikes are steel - love it. But I'm hoping to use this bike for some long rides, even some bikepacking, so was thinking the loss of a couple of pounds would be appreciated. Just hoping to get it in time for some fall rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D(C) View Post
    I've been reading pages and pages of this thread but can't find it...

    Does anyone know what the 2015 frame weighs?
    In kilogram. Size Large

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    My frame came today. The raw is hawt! I will post a pic as soon as I receive my email.

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    I will get it weighed before I press the headset in for those concerned. Only measurement I have is a 2.5 DHF will clear no problem. 74mm of space between the yoke's arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    My frame came today. The raw is hawt! I will post a pic as soon as I receive my email.
    Frames are shipped by email?

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    Lucky! Mine won't be here until end of next week. Skip the pics and give us video of that sexy rawness

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    The raw does look great. Is there a clear coat on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunkylover53 View Post
    The raw does look great. Is there a clear coat on it?
    I had a raw Kona Steely and it was actually a tinted clear coat. You could see some of the weld discoloration through it and all of the brass brazing for cable guides. It's been really durable too.

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    Yes, it looks like there is a tinted clear coat on it. I would bet it's the same color as '12 Steely. The inside of the tubing is the same raw color, but it doesn't feel quite as smooth. You can see the brazing where all the guides are attached. All the welds are pretty nice and are still pretty smooth in the more difficult areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cif View Post
    In kilogram. Size Large

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    Holy cow, 7.4lbs! So the new AL frame should weigh about 4.4lbs. I have an 2016 AL/DL on order that LBS said should be arriving this week. I have some reservations about he AL, but still can't wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzz300 View Post
    Holy cow, 7.4lbs! So the new AL frame should weigh about 4.4lbs. I have an 2016 AL/DL on order that LBS said should be arriving this week. I have some reservations about he AL, but still can't wait.
    Thats with a Hope headset

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    My frame came today. The raw is hawt! I will post a pic as soon as I receive my email.

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    I will get it weighed before I press the headset in for those concerned. Only measurement I have is a 2.5 DHF will clear no problem. 74mm of space between the yoke's arms.
    What size rim is the 2.5 DHF mounted on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzz300 View Post
    What size rim is the 2.5 DHF mounted on?
    Currently an i23. I'll move up to 30mm internal once I get done destroying the WTB's. My 2.5 measures 64mm at the knobs. And while we are on tires, is 3C worth it if most trails around me are super loose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    Currently an i23. I'll move up to 30mm internal once I get done destroying the WTB's. My 2.5 measures 64mm at the knobs. And while we are on tires, is 3C worth it if most trails around me are super loose?
    What headset you plan on using? Bottom Bracket is 73 threaded right ?

    Thanks, I'm waiting for mine.
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    Ugh, I wish I had a head set press. My home made all thread one can't handle the 56mm taper. Anyways here's a build-to-be pic of what I had on my first Honzo.

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    @NEET, yes it has a 73mm BSA bottom bracket. I am using a cane Creek 40 zs44/zs56 for the headset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    My frame came today. The raw is hawt! I will post a pic as soon as I receive my email.
    Quote Originally Posted by howard619 View Post
    Lucky! Mine won't be here until end of next week. Skip the pics and give us video of that sexy rawness
    where are you guys sourcing your frames? kona shop in bellingham said they're expecting the first batch to land in north america "sometime in late fall"!

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    I got mine from my lbs in central CA. They said Kona had Honzos in stock on Friday the 28th. I thought it was fast, too.

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    I nearly forgot, 2016 medium is 6 lbs 14 Oz with axle and clamp 6 lbs 10 Oz without.

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    Money! She's built. It's a 140mm Rev with a blend of Shimano drivetrain and brakes, 125mm Reverb, and Process 111 bar/stem. Minions/WTB/King take care of the killing of soil.

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    A quick spin around the neighborhood has me in love on the eve of my tenth anniversary! I cant wait until Labor Day to get it on to some trails.

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    Love it.... Superb looking bike

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    Looks great

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    Not enough Pictures I'd say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    I got mine from my lbs in central CA. They said Kona had Honzos in stock on Friday the 28th. I thought it was fast, too.
    interesting. maybe the mediums arrived well ahead of the larges?

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    My XL ST is waiting for me at my lbs in east Pa. They got notice they were in stock on the 27th, and mine shipped that day, can't wait to pick it up tomorrow and ride Monday!!

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    Nice build! I like those cranks...the finish stands up to foot rub well and the spider is better looking than the next gen SLX IMO.

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    Honzo Build Thread - post your builds here-image.jpg It's not a build, but picked up my Honzo AL DL last night. Olnly immediate changes are a Chromag moon saddle and Saint pedals. First ride will be today.

    Weighed 27lbs without pedals and with stock WTB saddle.

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    I'll just leave these here...
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    Lookin good! What length is your fork at? It looks longer than 140mm.

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    130/160 dual air pike, reverb stealth, X0 drivetrain, Deore brakes, dt 350 hubs laced to asym i23's. Not 100% sure how I was supposed to route the stealth hose, but it worked out ok. Still need to cut down some housings but I'm going to ride it first!

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    Looks awesome! Is that a LG or XL?

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    Do you guys run Short Cage or Medium
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    Mines xl, I want a short cage but snagged a long off one of my other bikes for now

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    I use a short cage Zee derailleur with an XT 11-36 cassette. I wouldn't mind more chain wrap but it's working for now.

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    what offset is your pike ?
    thanks

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    One word review: better. Than a pre-2015 frame. I am not sure if is the frame refinements or the sizing difference but this new frame is smoother. It doesn't have the solid dead feel to it when landing jumps. It lands lightly but without give. And it is fast and controlled through chop helping ride more confidently at greater speeds. So far it is everything I tought I was missing with my old Honzo. My first was a great bike and helped me push my riding further and I think this one will do the same.

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    I love this bike, it's exactly what I was looking for. It feels just like my Satori most of the time, which is amazing to say the least. It loves to fly, and only inspires confidence, I couldn't be happier!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sferguson24 View Post
    I love this bike, it's exactly what I was looking for. It feels just like my Satori most of the time, which is amazing to say the least. It loves to fly, and only inspires confidence, I couldn't be happier!

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    your bike looks rad. is it possible you could tell your rockshox pikes offset. i rode mine with a 150 (51 offset and didnt like it . was wondering if yours was a 46 offset cause merlins has them for cheap.

    thanks ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by konacrasher View Post
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    your bike looks rad. is it possible you could tell your rockshox pikes offset. i rode mine with a 150 (51 offset and didnt like it . was wondering if yours was a 46 offset cause merlins has them for cheap.

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    Chiming in here, i am on a 140mm pike with the 46mm offset on my 2015 frame and have zero complaints! But i have never ridden it with the 51. 2015 and 2016 geo is almost the same, the 2016 has a slightly increased reach with a little longer top tube

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    Been lurking the past 2 days....my love for my EVIL following got me thinking about an steel 29er hardtail and I happened upon da HONZO, just picked up a magura ts8 140/from ebay,. Going to build a raw steel Medium with it and slowly build up some scrapers and trailblazers to make a B+...

    I have too many bikes, what's one more.

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    I believe mine is 46, but I got it on a bike with the build kit, so I'd have to measure to be sure.
    Last edited by sferguson24; 09-08-2015 at 03:51 AM.

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    Thanks for reply. I run a 140mm pike 46 offset. its handles great and still climbs like a goat. I also am considering trying the 27.5 plus on the honzo . I am thinking of doing the wtb asym 40mm wide rims (i35) so I can rock a true 3in tire on Honzo. following
    06HokieMTB list. I think it would work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzz300 View Post
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    Weighed 27lbs without pedals and with stock WTB saddle.


    So how was the ride ?

    Is that the medium size ?

    What about comfort, not too harsh for the back ?

    Does the seatpost be 34.9 mm OD ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomati View Post
    So how was the ride ?

    Is that the medium size ?

    What about comfort, not too harsh for the back ?

    Does the seatpost be 34.9 mm OD ?
    It's a size large. Ride is great, but so far only had it on pretty smooth singletrack, so comfort hasn't been an issue.

    Seat post is 34.9, which limits options. Lucky for me Bikewagon has the 34.9 KS Lev Integra on sale for $190, less 20% for Labor Day. It's only the 100mm version, but that will be fine for the terrain I ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzz300 View Post
    It's a size large. Ride is great, but so far only had it on pretty smooth singletrack, so comfort hasn't been an issue.

    Seat post is 34.9, which limits options. Lucky for me Bikewagon has the 34.9 KS Lev Integra on sale for $190, less 20% for Labor Day. It's only the 100mm version, but that will be fine for the terrain I ride.
    Whats the 20% coupon code?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ledude View Post
    Whats the 20% coupon code?
    Sorry, my bad. It was 10% off. Code is/was Labor15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzz300 View Post
    It's a size large. Ride is great, but so far only had it on pretty smooth singletrack, so comfort hasn't been an issue.

    Seat post is 34.9, which limits options. Lucky for me Bikewagon has the 34.9 KS Lev Integra on sale for $190, less 20% for Labor Day. It's only the 100mm version, but that will be fine for the terrain I ride.
    Thanks,

    How tall are you ?

    I'm 5.11 and I wonder if I should go with the M or the L ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ledude View Post
    Whats the 20% coupon code?
    Thanks for the heads up...i just picked one up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomati View Post
    Thanks,

    How tall are you ?

    I'm 5.11 and I wonder if I should go with the M or the L ?
    I'm 6'0" and the large feels great. The stock stem is 60mm, so there's a bit of room to shorten the reach if that is a concern.

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    Think the hanzo would have room for a 27.5+ in the rear? I have no been told that a 27.5+ tire works out to be like a 29 er 2.4

    I am dreaming and if I could also run the hanzo as a 27.5+ it would be the perfict choice for me

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    The 2015 and 2016 have the room. Search for hootbmx's posts for a 27.5+ Honzo. He had a 2.8 Trailblazer and a 3.0 Ground Control clear the frame but the GC rubbed during corning, iirc.

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    I am looking at a used fork Fox Float 32 Fork 140mm (that has been cut) what steer tube length do I need? for the 2016 Honzo?

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    It depends on what size frame you ride. Look at the geo charts on konaworld for the head tube length. Then add your headset and stem stack heights and the amount of spacers you plan on running. For example my goes like this for a medium: lower cup 4+head tube 100+upper cup 8+spacers 3+5+stem stack 40+some steer tube 15=175mm steer tube length on my Honzo.

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    Honzo Build Thread - post your builds here-imageuploadedbytapatalk1441831443.351852.jpg

    On my xl

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    Quote Originally Posted by sferguson24 View Post
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    are the frame decals removable? Or are they below a clearcoat?

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    They are painted graphics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    They are painted graphics.
    You think some acetone would damage the finish below the painted on graphics?

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    Alright, Need some opinion on this. I've spot some area near the rear end triangle & chain stay on the weldings. I'm not sure if it will cause problem later on or is it normal.

    2016 Kona Honzo ST XL

    http://i.imgur.com/ca9RMPL.jpg <- CRACK!?

    http://i.imgur.com/pbHuc1C.jpg



    Click to Super ZOOM in.
    P.S Can anyone with the 2016 Frame check if you have something similar ?
    Last edited by NEET; 09-11-2015 at 05:27 PM.
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    I'd take it to your dealer and let them see it.
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    Bad welds for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEET View Post
    Alright, Need some opinion on this. I've spot some area near the rear end triangle & chain stay on the weldings. I'm not sure if it will cause problem later on or is it normal.

    2016 Kona Honzo ST XL

    http://i.imgur.com/ca9RMPL.jpg <- CRACK!?

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    P.S Can anyone with the 2016 Frame check if you have something similar ?
    I wouldn't sweat it. You will NOT feel it. It will NOT break. It will NOT rust through. It gives it character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howard619 View Post
    I wouldn't sweat it. You will NOT feel it. It will NOT break. It will NOT rust through. It gives it character.
    I would expect better from Kona. I have a 2016 Kona Honzo ST size LG frame scheduled for delivery Monday. I'll take pics of these same areas and post them for comparison. I zoomed in on the pics in the marketing materials and the welds were beautiful. But then again, McDonald's Big Macs always look a lot better in the TV commercials.

    After looking at that photo with the heat crack, I think I'd send it back. If mine looks like that, I'm sending it back.
    Last edited by golfsoup; 09-12-2015 at 04:24 PM.

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    Those welds are very poor. I'd get it replaced. You can clearly see a heat stress crack in the first pic migrating away from the weld

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    2016 Honzo ST

    Almost 4 years have passed, and 100 pages of radness since the launch of the Honzo build thread! Each model year brought a tweak here, a new color there - progressively improving on the quintessential All Mountain steel hardtail. Bringing us to the current, and sickest Honzo yet...Honzo ST! And here's mine..

    As a previous owner of a 2013, I'd say the 2016 has a bit more compliance, especially in the rear. I used to run the 2013 about 5mm from the shortest setting, to get take the edge off the hits. The 2016 feels and handles great with the dropouts slammed.

    Here's mine:
    Size Large
    Pike @140mm with 46mm offset
    SLX 170mm cranks
    10 speed Saint shifter/der
    36t chainring
    Race Face cockpit (45mm/6 deg rise stem, 32mm rise Bar)
    Carbon wheels coming soon...
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    Do you guys happen to know if customers are responsible for the shipping cost to have it sent back to kona? My local Kona shop doesn't seem very friendly.
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    Did you try to return it where you bought it? Online places usually have return policies clearly spelled out somewhere on their site. If the place you bought it from won't work with you, I'd contact Kona directly, share your pictures, and be sure to tell them where you bought if from and the treatment you received. I'd name names here and elsewhere if you've been wronged. Most places will have a standard 30 day return policy. You may have to cover some shipping but should be able to get your money back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howard619 View Post
    Almost 4 years have passed, and 100 pages of radness since the launch of the Honzo build thread! Each model year brought a tweak here, a new color there - progressively improving on the quintessential All Mountain steel hardtail. Bringing us to the current, and sickest Honzo yet...Honzo ST! And here's mine..

    As a previous owner of a 2013, I'd say the 2016 has a bit more compliance, especially in the rear. I used to run the 2013 about 5mm from the shortest setting, to get take the edge off the hits. The 2016 feels and handles great with the dropouts slammed.

    Here's mine:
    Size Large
    Pike @140mm with 46mm offset
    SLX 170mm cranks
    10 speed Saint shifter/der
    36t chainring
    Race Face cockpit (45mm/6 deg rise stem, 32mm rise Bar)
    Carbon wheels coming soon...
    NICE!!! What are you using to hold your spare tube to the frame?

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    It is interesting that I have non-clean wields on the the ds chainstay also. It is not that bad though. There is only small 1mm ball of slag on top of the wield. Everything else is really clean. I am not worried about my frame but I would warranty that frame just because of the poor weld . I doubt you would snap that stay with how burly the Honzo is. Use your judgment NEET, but I would want a solid weld there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howard619 View Post
    As a previous owner of a 2013, I'd say the 2016 has a bit more compliance, especially in the rear. I used to run the 2013 about 5mm from the shortest setting, to get take the edge off the hits. The 2016 feels and handles great with the dropouts slammed.
    Carbon wheels coming soon...
    This is exactly the same sentiment I have moving from a 2013 as well.

    Are you running a 2.5 DHF out back? I know it has the room to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    This is exactly the same sentiment I have moving from a 2013 as well.

    Are you running a 2.5 DHF out back? I know it has the room to.
    Minion 2.5 out back too. It's a great tire for monster trucking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by golfsoup View Post
    Did you try to return it where you bought it? Online places usually have return policies clearly spelled out somewhere on their site. If the place you bought it from won't work with you, I'd contact Kona directly, share your pictures, and be sure to tell them where you bought if from and the treatment you received. I'd name names here and elsewhere if you've been wronged. Most places will have a standard 30 day return policy. You may have to cover some shipping but should be able to get your money back.
    I think the best way for a LBS to survive and thrive when competing with online retailers is to offer excellent service. Not accepting returns of product customers find fault with is a bad business practice. I'm referring to bad welds here. For that matter I don't think you should have to pay shipping either. This bad weld should have be found first by Kona quality checkers and secondly by the online retailer or LBS BEFORE you ever got it.

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    @howard619: Fantastic

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    I have a 2014 that I just picked up. I love the bike but I get a lot of pedal strikes. I was thinking of increasing the stock fork to 140mm to increase BB height. My only concern is how much will it shorten the reach? I am already running a 70mm stem on an XL. Thanks guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cburgin View Post
    I have a 2014 that I just picked up. I love the bike but I get a lot of pedal strikes. I was thinking of increasing the stock fork to 140mm to increase BB height. My only concern is how much will it shorten the reach? I am already running a 70mm stem on an XL. Thanks guys.
    Funny you should ask...I wondered the same thing, so did the math and found there's aproximatly 2.5mm reduction in reach for every 5mm increase in stack. It's not that straightforward though, because your body position demands for stack/rise, to keep the same level of control, changes as the bars move closer/higher to your body - almost negating the change.

    As the bar gets closer to your body, the need for stack/rise decreases and vice-versa.

    I'd be interested to know other rider's experience/thoughts on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cburgin View Post
    I have a 2014 that I just picked up. I love the bike but I get a lot of pedal strikes. I was thinking of increasing the stock fork to 140mm to increase BB height. My only concern is how much will it shorten the reach? I am already running a 70mm stem on an XL. Thanks guys.
    I am just lazy and use this calculator: geometryCalc It is fun to play with a different compare bikes and forks. You have to use your fork's a2c though because the drop-down list is from yesteryear.

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    So after Lots of debating and research I've decided I want to build a Honzo with the new ST frame. Now what I'm realizing is the hard part, does anyone have any advice or info on how to get an XL frame? I've called my LBS last week along with every other bike shop in Texas, no one has the frames in XL or can order them. They apparently are super oversold and have no timeline for making more. I didn't think this would be this hard of a task considering they only started coming out a few weeks ago. I'm cool with paying shipping from wherever, at this point I just want to find one. If anyone has any advice besides blind calling every Kona dealer in the US on the off chance they have one in stock let me know. I've even grudgingly tried finding the AL frame with no luck.

    thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noid42 View Post
    So after Lots of debating and research I've decided I want to build a Honzo with the new ST frame. Now what I'm realizing is the hard part, does anyone have any advice or info on how to get an XL frame? I've called my LBS last week along with every other bike shop in Texas, no one has the frames in XL or can order them. They apparently are super oversold and have no timeline for making more. I didn't think this would be this hard of a task considering they only started coming out a few weeks ago. I'm cool with paying shipping from wherever, at this point I just want to find one. If anyone has any advice besides blind calling every Kona dealer in the US on the off chance they have one in stock let me know. I've even grudgingly tried finding the AL frame with no luck.

    thanks in advance.
    Try bikeman.com - I just checked, the XL frame says "coming soon" but they buy huge quantities from Kona so I bet if anyone gets them it will be bikeman. Call them at 1800-bikeman and maybe they'll have an ETA

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    Quote Originally Posted by howard619 View Post
    Almost 4 years have passed, and 100 pages of radness since the launch of the Honzo build thread! Each model year brought a tweak here, a new color there - progressively improving on the quintessential All Mountain steel hardtail. Bringing us to the current, and sickest Honzo yet...Honzo ST! And here's mine..

    As a previous owner of a 2013, I'd say the 2016 has a bit more compliance, especially in the rear. I used to run the 2013 about 5mm from the shortest setting, to get take the edge off the hits. The 2016 feels and handles great with the dropouts slammed.

    Here's mine:
    Size Large
    Pike @140mm with 46mm offset
    SLX 170mm cranks
    10 speed Saint shifter/der
    36t chainring
    Race Face cockpit (45mm/6 deg rise stem, 32mm rise Bar)
    Carbon wheels coming soon...
    HOT. What kind of carbon hoops are you going with? I was thinking to do the same with my 2015 to lighten the load a bit... My size small build is weighing in at 32.5 right now with a 2.5 minion DHF in front and 2.3 in back. Didn't get the bike to be a weight weenie about it but getting to closer to 30 would be nice

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    Kona Honzo LG

    Quote Originally Posted by golfsoup View Post
    I would expect better from Kona. I have a 2016 Kona Honzo ST size LG frame scheduled for delivery Monday. I'll take pics of these same areas and post them for comparison. I zoomed in on the pics in the marketing materials and the welds were beautiful. But then again, McDonald's Big Macs always look a lot better in the TV commercials.

    After looking at that photo with the heat crack, I think I'd send it back. If mine looks like that, I'm sending it back.
    My fame came today! Here are pictures of the same areas as yours.

    Honzo Build Thread - post your builds here-weld1.jpgHonzo Build Thread - post your builds here-weld2.jpg

    Overall, I'm pleased with the quality of the welds on this frame and will be keeping it. I don't see any "cracks". Discoloration is surface rust.

    FYI - Bikeman has these in stock if anyone is interested -- $525, free shipping. Bikeman: Mountain Frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by SB666 View Post
    HOT. What kind of carbon hoops are you going with? I was thinking to do the same with my 2015 to lighten the load a bit... My size small build is weighing in at 32.5 right now with a 2.5 minion DHF in front and 2.3 in back. Didn't get the bike to be a weight weenie about it but getting to closer to 30 would be nice
    Can't go wrong with Derby. Lower bead hooks than others, built for durability like the Honzo, and tracking/holding a line is unparalleled by cheaper copies. I have them on my Nomad and can feel the difference compared to lighter rims. That said, they aren't cheap, but you get what you pay for with Derby.

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    Snagged the second to last 2015 medium last night. No changes from the stock build planned - yet.

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    Not a 2016, but a 2015.
    Got a great deal on a Kona Warranty frame

    Build up with:
    Fox 32 130mm
    Shimano XT brakes
    Shimano XT shifter
    Shimano Zee derailleur
    Shimano Zee crank
    XTR trail pedals
    Handlebar, stem, seat post six pack racing
    Sun Ringle TR5 rims on XT hubs.
    203mm front disc. 180mm rear disc
    Ardent 2,25"

    Honzo Build Thread - post your builds here-uploadfromtaptalk1442325405875.jpg

    Build price €1903,- against €1899,- as stock built

    Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

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    With the new frames is there a need to Tapping, Threading / Chasing and Facing Headtube and Bottom Bracket shells?

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    My frame arrived today. Drop out welds aa little funky, driveside dropout has a little tiny hole where the weld doesn't completely seal. The other dropout has oxidization.

    Bikeman thinks its normal an will forward to Kona for advice...thinking that this is part of the mfg process and we should all expect to see some imperfections

    Granted the cracked weld on the previous page is probably no bueno.


    Honzo Build Thread - post your builds here-img_honzo-dropou2t.jpgHonzo Build Thread - post your builds here-img_honzo-dropout.jpg

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    Hope that is just s problem with steel frames

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    Look like they try to fill a space. Is that oxidation ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by golfsoup View Post
    My fame came today! Here are pictures of the same areas as yours.


    Overall, I'm pleased with the quality of the welds on this frame and will be keeping it. I don't see any "cracks". Discoloration is surface rust.

    FYI - Bikeman has these in stock if anyone is interested -- $525, free shipping. Bikeman: Mountain Frame
    Damn, If I've known there's a place I could purchase it online, I sure as hell would of gone w/ that option. I drove an Hour + paying them taxs to get the frame. Oh well, Lets hope I don't have to fork any more money. I though frames and bikes aren't allowed to be shipped. Frame Looks clean.
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    @ledude I'm no expert but this frame looks acceptable to me. You could probably rub that oxidation out if it bothers you. So I'm thinking of spraying T9 inside my tubes while it's easy to do. Steel is real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golfsoup View Post
    @ledude I'm no expert but this frame looks acceptable to me. You could probably rub that oxidation out if it bothers you. So I'm thinking of spraying T9 inside my tubes while it's easy to do. Steel is real.
    I have to ask....how does one spray the t9 in the entirety of the inside tubing?

    Or do you only spray the headtube and seat tube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEET View Post
    Damn, If I've known there's a place I could purchase it online, I sure as hell would of gone w/ that option. I drove an Hour + paying them taxs to get the frame. Oh well, Lets hope I don't have to fork any more money. I though frames and bikes aren't allowed to be shipped. Frame Looks clean.
    Bikeman and streamline are the only 2 sites Ive seen selling them online and Kona is fully aware... I know in streamline's case, they ask if there is a Kona dealer close to you before going through with the sale - they want to send you to your local dealer if you have one. Bikeman might just be working under the same assumption - i got my 2015 frame from them but they didn't ask about whether or not there was a dealer close to me. I am guessing they buy a large volume and have managed some sort of loophole

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    Plug the hole at the bottom of the seat tube inside the BB with a rag or something, spray a bunch of T9 in the top of the seat tube, plug the top, roll the T9 fluid around by manipulating the frame to get it in the tubes. Make sense? Also do inside headset. Allow T9 to dry exactly 12 hours and five minutes. Lastly, put some grease on your BB threads and at the top of the seat tube to help seal water out.

    This is important because the inside of your steel frame isn't protected and water can get in there. It won't dry nearly as fast on the inside and can do some real damage.

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