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    This was heartbreaking to see.
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    Feeling better now.
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    Is that the top tube?


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    Yep, TT just behind the HT braze: crack went from 11 o'clock to 1 o'clock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lubes17319 View Post
    This was heartbreaking to see.
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    Did Kona replace the frame or did you buy another?
    If Kona replaced the frame, how long did it take them to do it once you put the claim in?
    What were you doing when the frame cracked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjx View Post
    Did Kona replace the frame or did you buy another? Yep - Thanx Kona & Pedal Pusher's for getting me back out there!
    If Kona replaced the frame, how long did it take them to do it once you put the claim in? Under 2 weeks
    What were you doing when the frame cracked? Beginning a ride - I heard a strange 'ticking' sound w/each pedal stroke, so stopped to inspect everything, & saw the crack. Guessing it was an accumulation of 2 yrs of hard riding under my 240# ass.
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    Any built up pics? Any difference in ride quality from the 2012 Geometry? You previously had a 20" Long correct and I know the geos slightly tweaked now.
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    Thank you for your response

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    euro - I did have a scare when I looked at the numbers & saw the HT was a touch longer. I lucked out as it was exactly the same as the spacers I had on the 2012 frame. I guess w/a longer HT and no spacers, I should be at the same position, except for the slightly-higher stack/-lower reach on the new frame.

    1st pedal as soon as I finish work, although it'll be sans dropper post today. Didn't feel like pulling it out of the Entourage yet - which took over as my 'XC' bike while waiting on the new frame.
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    edit: Didn't get to the trails last night, but I did snap a few pics before it gets dirty.
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    Nice lubes I was curious when you would get your replacement!! Very sic bro very sic!!!
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    Felt good to be back on the HT, so quiet on the descents - especially when compared to the Entourage. Plus, I cleaned all the switchbacks that I couldn't do on that beast. I took it mellow on the descents trying to used to no rear suspension, but still had respectable times when compared to my others.
    Not sure if it was just mental, but this frame felt a hair stiffer. Could be due to the added TT/ST gusset, or the fact that I was riding a cracked frame on my last few rides.
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    Flows might be sturdy, but oh how I hate these things. Getting some carbon rims next.



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    That's more like it, it must feel good to be educated, and I feel good being the educator.

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    So I have ordered my frame and it shipped this last Monday but I won't receive it till Tuesday the 27th.. What to do till then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by superstar1 View Post
    That's more like it, it must feel good to be educated, and I feel good being the educator.

    Do you all see how I have stimulated his artistic prowess?
    You need to start doing classes, I've plateaued and will soon have to resort to photos from the side.

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    So I have ordered my frame and it shipped this last Monday but I won't receive it till Tuesday the 27th.. What to do till then!
    Buy more parts? Or if you have all the parts already, buy better parts! The latter is a slippery slope that will soon fill your kitchen with bike projects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    Buy more parts? Or if you have all the parts already, buy better parts! The latter is a slippery slope that will soon fill your kitchen with bike projects.
    I have all the parts needed but the only thing that could use an upgrade is the fork since it is 1-1/8" steerer and QR dropouts.. That will come later thought seeing as how I just changed jobs and am trying to get financially situated.

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    My honzo finally builded....

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    nice, what's the weight?

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    Alright guys I got my frame in and everything together aside from the rear derailleur cable which will be here Thursday.
    I will have some pictures up then.

    I have a question though. Can someone explain to me the headset deal? I thought it was set up for a tapered steerer but it takes 1-1/8" zero stack cups fine? What am I missing?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endofcomment View Post
    Alright guys I got my frame in and everything together aside from the rear derailleur cable which will be here Thursday.
    I will have some pictures up then.

    I have a question though. Can someone explain to me the headset deal? I thought it was set up for a tapered steerer but it takes 1-1/8" zero stack cups fine? What am I missing?

    Thanks in advance.
    With a 44mm head tube, doesn't that mean that it will take a tapered steerer with an external lower cup, or a straight 1 1/8 steerer with a ZS lower cup? Mine has a 44mm headtube as well, and I've got an external lower cup. I wouldn't think the honzo's any different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jallll View Post
    My honzo finally builded....

    eeeeeooooo
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    I was asked to post here in another thread. Pretty simple build as I sort out what I want to do about wheel size or spend money on a bike for close to home or epic rides.

    -switch to tubeless
    -dropper post
    -more cushy seat
    -Race Face Narrow/Wide 30t

    Initial impressions after only riding at ski hill (no lift service) that's combo of modern flow trail old school twisty, steep, gully, rocks, and logs:

    -bike is a result of steam roller and dirt jumper having a baby
    -good guestimate on the 30t w/ stock 11-36 as in it gets back up the ski runs with some standing up
    -works better in tight turns and skinny stuff than expected
    -this thing's a lot of fun

    Note: I'm keeping those wheel reflectors for now. A fellow trail builder collects them on the trail, and I bought the bike for more car free dirt rides.

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    So stoked on the bike. Havent gotten it dirty yet due to all the rain we've been having but just from cruising the neighborhood I can tell it's going to be a blast. The riding position is probably the most comfortable hardtail I've ever ridden. Slack and just super comfy.

    I've started to bling it a tad - I'm going with anodized orange on all the bits I change. Orange I9 hubs, salsa seat clamp and grip clamps coming soon. I'm going to run WTB KOMs with the 2.4 ardent up front and a 2.35 ikon in the back.


    The only things I've found that I'm not really a fan of are the brakes and RD. Just upgrading to an SLX shadow+ RD and SLX brake package will make a huge difference in the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven1three View Post
    So stoked on the bike. Havent gotten it dirty yet due to all the rain we've been having but just from cruising the neighborhood I can tell it's going to be a blast. The riding position is probably the most comfortable hardtail I've ever ridden. Slack and just super comfy.

    I've started to bling it a tad - I'm going with anodized orange on all the bits I change. Orange I9 hubs, salsa seat clamp and grip clamps coming soon. I'm going to run WTB KOMs with the 2.4 ardent up front and a 2.35 ikon in the back.


    The only things I've found that I'm not really a fan of are the brakes and RD. Just upgrading to an SLX shadow+ RD and SLX brake package will make a huge difference in the bike.
    Awesome man. Be sure to post again when it's all Orange'd out. I am interested to see how it looks.

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    Here is another of my Honzo. Had a decent downhill from here and just love how this thing rips. I ride a small, and felt a tiny cramped in the cockpit so I swapped out my 50mm stem for a 70mm. It fits a bit better, but not sure how much I like it. I'm surprised I can actually notice the loss in handling adding 20mm.

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    I got a hope dh stem on mine, cramps up the cockpit on my small frame; but it feels alot more playful than with a longer stem so I'm not going to change it.

    Took to the air for the first time with the Honzo today, accidentally found that someone had built two jumps into the trail behind my house. First time down I nearly faceplanted, next 5 times it was awesome.

    I'm seriously contemplating selling my scalpel and just stick to the honzo and a fatbike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    I got a hope dh stem on mine, cramps up the cockpit on my small frame; but it feels alot more playful than with a longer stem so I'm not going to change it.

    Took to the air for the first time with the Honzo today, accidentally found that someone had built two jumps into the trail behind my house. First time down I nearly faceplanted, next 5 times it was awesome.

    I'm seriously contemplating selling my scalpel and just stick to the honzo and a fatbike.
    Yah, thinking of going back to 50mm stem. I just feel like the cramped feeling is hurting me a bit on a lot of the climbs. Dunno.

    But I think we are in somewhat of the same shoes. I sold my FS bike (Trek Fuel EX 9) when I built my Honzo, and I am thinking of getting a Fat Bike to add to the stable. Hah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    I got a hope dh stem on mine, cramps up the cockpit on my small frame; but it feels alot more playful than with a longer stem so I'm not going to change it.
    What's your height / inseam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjx View Post
    What's your height / inseam?

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    5'7 and no idea :O
    I generally like medium sized frames, but with the honzo I went a step down to make it easier to play around with. I essentially view it as a dirtbike on steroids.

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    Just getting started with my 2012 Honzo build. Picked up the frame this morning, and grabbed a 140mm Fox 34 Float CTD the other day to slap on there. Anybody have an opinion on e 13 cranksets? Trying to pick between this and an SLX.

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    I wish I could set up a poll in the middle of this thread. I recently bought a set of King hubs for a great price even though I don't think my skills on a bike deserve such luxury. I was planning on going carbon rims too, but my finances have now taken a turn for a little while. My current wheels could use replacement, they like to wobble. So my dilemma, keep the Kings and build a i23 wheelset when I can afford to or sell them and buy a set of Hope/i23's if I can raise the funds? Current wheels are dt 350/i23 (one ding) front and Flow/Stan's 3.30 (flat spot(s) included) rear. Let me know what you would do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    I wish I could set up a poll in the middle of this thread. I recently bought a set of King hubs for a great price even though I don't think my skills on a bike deserve such luxury. I was planning on going carbon rims too, but my finances have now taken a turn for a little while. My current wheels could use replacement, they like to wobble. So my dilemma, keep the Kings and build a i23 wheelset when I can afford to or sell them and buy a set of Hope/i23's if I can raise the funds? Current wheels are dt 350/i23 (one ding) front and Flow/Stan's 3.30 (flat spot(s) included) rear. Let me know what you would do.
    Did you consider the "LB" Light-Bicycle carbon rims? Those are on my radar as well as less expensive hubs. Associates have had good luck with them and lots of bandwidth and disk space has been used over them here (MTBR).

    I'm guilty of buying high end stuff at times but in all honesty have had very basic hubs such as Deore and XT hold up so I have function over bling in mind for this bike. Another hub consideration is now we have the SRAM 11 speed and Shimano types so I will not buy high end hubs if they don't have an option to convert. FYI: White are awesome quality, convert and cost less than King or some.

    This bike just begs for the advantages wide rims offer so any wheel upgrade I'll do will be wider than the i23 mine came with. It also begs for a dropper post so I suggest that in any build or budget planning.

    To answer the last ?.... Don't risk wheel failure over bling, and remember lots of us are getting point a to b with the modest Deore + i23 wheels.
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    Keep the kings and save up for carbon!
    I bet there's something you own, that you rarely if ever have any use for that you could sell to fund the rims. It's how I've gotten away with most of my bikes

    You wouldn't be a happy camper on alu rims if you soon after got to try out carbon side to side. I know I wasn't.

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    I agree; keep the kings. They are great hubs that will last a long time. Wheels are cheap - you've got the expensive part out of the way.

    I disagree that he'd be disappointed with anything but carbon wheels. I run KOMs with I9s and they are super light and super fast. I run this combo on all of my bikes even though I have the ability to run carbon if I wanted to. What I'm trying to say here is that if you want to run non-carbon wheels because the funds arent there right now for carbon - do it and be stoked. There are some killer wheels out there right now that wont let you down and wont cost more than your frame.

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    LB carbon rims is what I bought the hubs for. I would eventually get Derbys if carbon rims are awesome as everyone claims.I was going to buy a set of Hope but the Kings were about $60 more when I bought them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    LB carbon rims is what I bought the hubs for. I would eventually get Derbys if carbon rims are awesome as everyone claims.I was going to buy a set of Hope but the Kings were about $60 more when I bought them.
    I've wondered if the Derby's are overkill for my intended use that includes 4 miles on the road between home and trails.

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    I called a LBS earlier asking how much they sell the Honzo (frame only) and complete build for.

    They said they just sold their last in store Honzo (complete build) and told me they could order one. Regarding the frame only, they told me it was sold out.

    So if anyone's looking to buy a frame only, you might have a difficult time finding one.

    Approximately when do you think the 2015 Honzo will be released?

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    Quote Originally Posted by epapa View Post
    Anybody have an opinion on e 13 cranksets? Trying to pick between this and an SLX.
    I run an SLX 665 crankset. I like it quite a bit, flex free, takes a beating. I would, however, not buy it again simply because I would run a Sram X7 or higher to be able to use direct mount spiderless chainrings. I dont think you can go wrong between either of your choices but I feel the smart money is on a Sram crankset simply for versatility.

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    The Zee crank on mine is perfectly fine aswell, cheap enough to replace without breaking bank should anything happen to it.

    I think the Shimano way of mounting the non-drive side is much simpler to deal with than SRAM offerings.

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    Somewhere along the line, the nut and threaded shaft on the left side of the rear triangle has flown off. How key is that piece of metal to holding the wheel aligned?

    I've noticed some tire rubbing, but not sure if this started happening before or after the piece went awol.

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    Last week was rough on the wallet. Purchased an XT RD, XTR shifter, XT brakes, XT cassette, orange I9 hubs laced to WTB KOM wheels and WTB trail boss and WTB wolverine tires. All the mechanical bits are being installed now and the wheels should be here late in the week next week. Cant wait!
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    Anyone have an opinion for which dropper fits best on the 2012 Honzo? Can't decide between a KS LEV Integra or a RS Reverb Stealth. This is assuming the bike allows for internal routing. I dropped it off at the LBS to have the fork put on and forgot to look... Anyone have any insight?

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    Anyone have an opinion for which dropper fits best on the 2012 Honzo? Can't decide between a KS LEV Integra or a RS Reverb Stealth. This is assuming the bike allows for internal routing. I dropped it off at the LBS to have the fork put on and forgot to look... Anyone have any insight?
    No internal routing on a '12 Honzo, nor any later model I believe. I used a KS Lev on my 2012 and loved it. Made an awesome bike even better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    Somewhere along the line, the nut and threaded shaft on the left side of the rear triangle has flown off. How key is that piece of metal to holding the wheel aligned?

    I've noticed some tire rubbing, but not sure if this started happening before or after the piece went awol.
    Are your dropouts slammed all the way forward? If so, the shaft and nut doesn't really do much. Maybe it would prevent slip if you had the dropouts in the middle or the back. I took mine off a while ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by epapa View Post
    Anyone have an opinion for which dropper fits best on the 2012 Honzo? Can't decide between a KS LEV Integra or a RS Reverb Stealth. This is assuming the bike allows for internal routing. I dropped it off at the LBS to have the fork put on and forgot to look... Anyone have any insight?
    As said, no internal routing.

    I have a Thompson dropper on my Honzo, and I had a Joplin 4 without remote on it before that.

    The Thompson is in a league above others I've tried (Crank Bros, Reverb, and I supposes Hite-Rite too).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitflogger View Post
    As said, no internal routing.
    Bur easily achieved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Are your dropouts slammed all the way forward? If so, the shaft and nut doesn't really do much. Maybe it would prevent slip if you had the dropouts in the middle or the back. I took mine off a while ago.

    Yep, slammed! Good to know though, thanks

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    So, thinking about either XT RD, shifter, and brakes, or Saint RD, shifter, and brakes. Can anyone tell me if they have used both and whether or not it is worth the extra $$? I live in Western NC and climb to get to all the descents around here. I will be running a 1x10 32T/11-36T drivetrain with SLX cranks.

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    So, thinking about either XT RD, shifter, and brakes, or Saint RD, shifter, and brakes. Can anyone tell me if they have used both and whether or not it is worth the extra $$? I live in Western NC and climb to get to all the descents around here. I will be running a 1x10 32T/11-36T drivetrain with SLX cranks.
    I don't have Saint but have XT, X0, X9, Deore. They all shift well and break with same ease. Better shifters seem to do more for high end feel than der, but my stock Deore works fine.

    My 55 yo knees needed less than 32t with 11-36 to climb, so I'm using a Race Face wide/narrow. That still lacks the true granny but works for most riding.

    Better brakes can mean easier to adjust. The inexpensive 505 brakes on my Honzo stop it just fine but need a hex wrench for adjustment where that's a bare fingers job on my bikes with better brakes. The carbon fiber fancy bits brakes on my Covert aren't giving me rocket power uphill, nor have they made me more attractive to my wife.

    You have to decide if the fancy parts are worth it. I go back and forth on that with honesty knowing there are diminishing returns when I spend more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by epapa View Post
    So, thinking about either XT RD, shifter, and brakes, or Saint RD, shifter, and brakes. Can anyone tell me if they have used both and whether or not it is worth the extra $$? I live in Western NC and climb to get to all the descents around here. I will be running a 1x10 32T/11-36T drivetrain with SLX cranks.
    Personally if I was building today, I would opt for a Zee SS Derailleur, Zee shifter (or possibly Saint), XT brakes and SLX cranks and Raceface Narrow/Wide chainring. FWIW, I've been running the first gen SLX brakes, cranks, shifter and 9-speed Saint SS derailleur for 3+ years now trouble free and I have a feeling it will last me a couple more seasons. While I do want to upgrade to a 1x10 with clutch derailleur and narrow-wide ring and ditch my guide, I really see no point yet in spending over $500 to change over my 2 bikes to current standards when I'm just fine with the gearing spread on both. I would be inclined to upgrade if I was looking for smaller chainring up front than the current 32T on each, or needed one of those 40T or 42T in the back. But with the Midwest trails, I'm thinking of actually increasing the rings up front and getting smaller cassettes as well. Trails here are fast and flowy, not much climbing either.

    So is the Saint 10 spd derailleur really worth it? Looking at CRC prices, the Saint derailleur is close to $150. When I just priced out the upgrade for me (Zee derailleur, shifter, XT cassette, XT chain, and Raceface Narrow/Wide ring) I was just around $250. Unless you have money to burn, I would stick with Zee.
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    Honzo!

    Here's my Honzo. Bought it as a complete but I'll end up switching almost everything over sooner or later, bad call on my part It has been an awesome bike though! The only thing I have done to it right now is RaceFace Atlas bars and stem. Here's some pics and plans to work out by the end of summer, the bike doesn't have brakes right now because I'm tired of dealing with them, out with the Elixir's, in with the Deore XT's!
    I'm changing the SRAM X7 drivetrain to a short cage Shimano Saint I-Spec derailleur/shifter combo along with Shimano Deore XT I-Spec B brakes, RockShox Reverb seat post, RaceFace Atlas Cranks and orange RaceFace Narrow/Wide chainring, mango Chris King headset, Hope hubs w/ black spokes and orange nipples, tubeless set-up. The bike no longer has the blue bash guard or blue grips, I'm going orange only on this build
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    The Zee stuff is awesome! Haven't had a single issue with my setup so far.

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    yes, Zee derailleur, XT shifter/cranks/brakes/cassette, NW chainring, and KMC X10sl chain. Super solid and quiet stuff at a low cost!

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    I'm considering going with the Zee derailleur now with the Saint shifter to save a couple of bucks compared to the Saint derailleur, I honestly probably wouldn't notice the difference.

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    Go for the Zee with an XT shifter. I am uone with an SLX shifter. I only want an XT shifter for the multi release for being able drop 2 gears at a time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeArman View Post
    I'm considering going with the Zee derailleur now with the Saint shifter to save a couple of bucks compared to the Saint derailleur, I honestly probably wouldn't notice the difference.
    You can run both size cassettes with the saint as it has a mode converter, with the zee you got to buy a derailleur specific to a cassette size. So unless you swap cassettes, the zee is awesome. If it was lighter I'd put it on every bike I own. Hell I might do that anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    If it was lighter I'd put it on every bike I own. Hell I might do that anyways.
    I do it

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    Still loving my Honzo!
    The Zee brakes are moving to my freeride bike though, they will be replaced by XT's

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    dfuse, need moar pics. Also, why are you moving the Zees? Too much brake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    dfuse, need moar pics. Also, why are you moving the Zees? Too much brake?
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    This is the only other pic I have, saddle is all the way down to fit on the bike rack. It was an epic ride, we were caught up in a major storm, hail as large as ping pong balls in some areas. Luckily we only got rain, but it was so dense we couldn't see more than a few metres ahead. You can see on the picture that the parking lot outside of the forrest was getting washed away.

    Zee brakes are moving because I bought a mini-DH/freeride frame. I could have bought another set of Zee brakes for it, but decided that I probably don't need that braking power on my Honzo anyway, so I bought XT's for the Honzo instead. Actually since I've been storing my bikes vertically I have the feeling the Zee's don't have that much power anymore, I bled them but to no avail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hootbmx View Post
    Was I expecting too much out of the newer FS bikes or what? Or is the Honzo's geo and chromoly frame along with a dropper seat post and 2.4 Ardents (front & back) just that good?
    I recall this before my purchase and saw it again while looking at the upgrades and builds done to these bikes.

    It may be "that good". My only limitation with it is long very steep climbing that could be changed with different gearing. When climbing there's a little compromise in moving weight around to deal with short chain stays bit in all other circumstances that's got to be much of what makes the bike so great.

    A friend pronounced the Honzo as one of the most fun bikes ever. That might make it a keeper for me and why I'm back here looking at upgrades. To be honest with the dropper, better seat and tubeless it's about perfect. Light wheels are the easiest upgrade to rationalize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitflogger View Post
    Light wheels are the easiest upgrade to rationalize.
    I wish I had bought a light wheelset from the start, the flows that I got are boat anchors. Though very solid anchors at that.

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    I have a 36t cassette so I'll be going with the free ride version of the Zee. I won't need to change modes so that's what changed my mind over to the Zee. Does anybody know where I can get a Mango Chris King Inset 7 headset!? Why are all of the cool parts always the hardest to find!?

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    Here's how she sits as of now as I order the new Shimano drivetrain/brakes. This will be my first venture with Shimano as I've always ran nothing but SRAM on my previous couple of bikes, pretty stoked! BTW the old X7/Elixir 5 Matchmaker setup is for sale. The rear lever needs to be rebuilt, but everything else is perfect. I'll give you guys 3 chances to guess what I used to drive Honzo Build Thread - post your builds here-image_zps62b0a4fd.jpeg
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    Trying to pick out a carbon wheelset now, currently stands between Easton carbon Havens, Easton carbon EC70 trails, Enve AM, Enve M60, Ibis 928 or locally pro built LB.

    The latter will cost about the same as the 928s, but be more of a hassle since I have to source the hubs myself.

    Roval and Reynolds would be up for consideration, but I can't seem to locate any.

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    If I was going carbon, I would go Hope Pro 2 Evo hubs from one of the many UK sellers and some Derby rims.
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    When I first started building my Honzo I had derbys on order, but I changed my mind and went with cheaper 40t hopes on flow rims. I regret that now, the hubs themselves are quite nice, but the rims ruin the setup.

    The Ibis 941s are closely related to the derbys, but there's the 6-week thing that puts them out of competition unfortunately.

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    Quick question for those who have Sun Ringle Chargers, is the 20mm end cap just pushed in and held (barely) by the rubber o ring or should there be a ring to hold it in? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitthew View Post
    Quick question for those who have Sun Ringle Chargers, is the 20mm end cap just pushed in and held (barely) by the rubber o ring or should there be a ring to hold it in? Thanks.

    The 20mm end caps dont fit as well as the 15mm that's for sure. They are only held in there with the O-rings when you have the wheel removed. Once you install them into the fork and clamp down the axle it secures everything.

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    Thanks for the reply, they do seem fine when clamped down, I was just a bit surprised how loosely secured they are with the wheel off. Pretty pleased with them for ú185, hopefully get to ride the bejesus out of them in the next few days!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    If I was going carbon, I would go Hope Pro 2 Evo hubs from one of the many UK sellers and some Derby rims.
    Aren't there Hope Pro 2 Evo hubs the same flange size as our stock Formula hubs that came on the complete Honzo's? If so do you know the factory spoke length? I want to re-lace my WTB rims with some Hope hubs. I've used those calculators, but to no avail :/

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    Just made some purchases to prep the bike for the new brakes/drivetrain tonight What's everyones view on running a chain guide with a clutch derailleur and narrow-wide CR? Undecided if I want to take mine off as I like the look, but that's kind of useless weight too....
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    ^^^ Going to be one sweet ride!

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    Dearman you should be fine without the guide, atleast my build has been performing perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjx View Post
    ^^^ Going to be one sweet ride!
    Thanks man! I'm ready to see it finished, or at least rideable :/

    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    Dearman you should be fine without the guide, atleast my build has been performing perfectly.
    I think I've decided to go without it now, drop some weight and make a quieter ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeArman View Post
    Just made some purchases to prep the bike for the new brakes/drivetrain tonight What's everyones view on running a chain guide with a clutch derailleur and narrow-wide CR? Undecided if I want to take mine off as I like the look, but that's kind of useless weight too....
    Don't shoot if it doesn't work for you but....

    I added the Race Face wide/narrow, removed the chain guide, keep the der in clutch mode. No chain loss in same places it happens or happened with other bikes. I've had my Honzo a short time but repeated rides where I end up in a rocky gully at speed and then have to shift to pedal up and down. Two spots there would be lost chains on other bikes over time and it's not happening so I have a lot of confidence in the clutch der and wide/narrow ring setup.

    Some I know who are honestly hucking big stuff and quite extreme have legitimate reason for always wanting a chain guide but my more basic play is often in trail sections many avoid and I have no problems. I also have no experience using the clutch type with anything but the wide/narrow up front and suspect the clutch der does the most good.

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    Easton EC70 Trail '14 or SRAM Roam 60 '14 is what it's down to atm. Can get the former for $200 less. Both are 24 spoked, but the reviews are good for both so I guess I can disregard any scepticism towards that.

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    I'm getting so close! My wheels are scheduled to be delivered on Wednesday and then I'm done.

    XT RD
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    WTB KOM wheels with orange nipples
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    Moove pedals (orange)

    Got to be some of the funnest geometry out there. Can't wait to see how it rolls with light wheels/hubs.
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    My husband's building up a Large 2014 Honzo and I just found an X Fusion Trace 29er (140mm, his dream fork) that I'd like to get for him. However, it's used and the steerer tube has been cut to 7 inches. My instinct tells me this should be OK, but I'm hoping someone here can confirm for me before I buy it.

    I'm sorry if this has been answered elsewhere in the thread, I'm clearly new here!

    Thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReanLu View Post
    My husband's building up a Large 2014 Honzo and I just found an X Fusion Trace 29er (140mm, his dream fork) that I'd like to get for him. However, it's used and the steerer tube has been cut to 7 inches. My instinct tells me this should be OK, but I'm hoping someone here can confirm for me before I buy it.

    I'm sorry if this has been answered elsewhere in the thread, I'm clearly new here!

    Thanks!!
    I can't help you with your question.

    But Universal Cycles sells X-Fusion Trace forks and they have a new 15% off coupon for orders over $300. And you get free s/h and depending where you live, no tax.

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    The steerer on my small frame I cut to 7 1/2 inches aka 19cm. Two spacers under the stem.

    Depends on what kind of stack and bottom cup is going to be used I guess, I'd rather buy it new to be safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    The steerer on my small frame I cut to 7 1/2 inches aka 19cm. Two spacers under the stem.
    I wonder how that translates to the large frame.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    Depends on what kind of stack and bottom cup is going to be used I guess, I'd rather buy it new to be safe.
    I know they are Cane Creek but I don't know their measurements off hand. Sadly, the used is just barely within budget so new is out of the question ATM.

    Thanks for everyone's help so far!

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    Headtube length on the small appears to be 90mm and on the large it's 110.
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    The difference between the headtube lenghts equals the amount of spacers I have on my small frame. I also have a bottom cup that's quite large (hope). So I assume the fork you found would work, but I'd get a few more opinions first. Hopefully someone in here has a large frame and is willing to measure their steerer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    Hopefully someone in here has a large frame and is willing to measure their steerer
    That's what I'm hoping for. My research is telling me that it's going to be close, but I feel like if I find one rider who's made it work, I'll go for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven1three View Post
    Got to be some of the funnest geometry out there. Can't wait to see how it rolls with light wheels/hubs.
    Those wheels <3
    I got some goodies in today my chainring and orange shift cable housing. Ordered my Zee derailleur today at the LBS but they weren't able to get the Saint shifter, I was also having difficulties with my card so I wasn't able to order the Deore XT brakes, I'll get those ordered by the end of the week though.
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    The XT shifter will work fine too, probably a wee bit lighter than the Saint.
    I'm happy with the Zee shifter, the build quality isn't perfect; but it works.

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    The one thing that dissapointed me in the Zee shifter is you can't use it on the same clamp as the Zee brake (the name for that system eludes me atm)

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    Those wheels <3
    I got some goodies in today my chainring and orange shift cable housing. Ordered my Zee derailleur today at the LBS but they weren't able to get the Saint shifter, I was also having difficulties with my card so I wasn't able to order the Deore XT brakes, I'll get those ordered by the end of the week though.
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    Nice.

    My wife allows freedom or latitude I don't see given to many husbands. A bike or even shoes in the kitchen are not part of that.

    It's fun to see the different build options and choices people make here. I'll think of more seeing what people do. Then when I ride this bike I finish thinking it is really great with the stock parts though I'm sure I have more performance with tubeless, dropper and ditching the chain guide for narrow/wide 30t.

    Wheels are where I'll probably spend. I buy the hype and news on very wide tubeless rims. Monday I swapped bikes with a friend who had XT/XTR mix as well as high end Industry 9 hubs w/ wider rims. Seems the tubeless tires are even better when cornered hard or climbing in messy stuff. I have a lighter wheel set on another bike and even if mental, they feel great when you move the bike around. I broke its expensive der and a cheap replacement shifts as well so that's all helping me stop the Honzo upgrades until I do the 35-40 mm wheels.

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    Spend a little extra to get light wheels if you're getting something that wide. IMHO frame, fork and wheels make the ride and if the latter is heavy, especially the rear it can spoil an otherwise great build.

    I'm happy with the Enve AMs on my Scalpel, so I'm going with the same approximate width on the Honzo.

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    I haven't gotten the bike out in the wild yet due to recent rains but I can tell a huge difference with the new wheel set just roaming around the neighborhood. This bike loves light wheels!

    I have this same wheel set (I9/KOM) on both of my bikes and I can't speak highly enough about them. Instant engagement hubs that are both light and tough. As long as you aren't punting big stuff then I think you'd be stoked on the KOMs too. Great wheel set if carbon isnt in your budget
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    Spend a little extra to get light wheels if you're getting something that wide. IMHO frame, fork and wheels make the ride and if the latter is heavy, especially the rear it can spoil an otherwise great build.

    I'm happy with the Enve AMs on my Scalpel, so I'm going with the same approximate width on the Honzo.
    Yes on what makes the ride. Note my earlier and other comments on experiences with shifting and brakes at high and modest prices.

    I'm leaning toward the 35 mm rims thinking the 40 mm rims out there are too much for some 2-5 miles of road sessions I'll do between home and trails. For hubs I want options for Shimano and SRAM 11 speed.

    LB and Derby look like the obvious choices for rims.

    White Industries seems good for hubs. Past experience with their stuff has been good, and I think they're less $ than other top tier hubs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven1three View Post
    I haven't gotten the bike out in the wild yet due to recent rains but I can tell a huge difference with the new wheel set just roaming around the neighborhood. This bike loves light wheels!

    I have this same wheel set (I9/KOM) on both of my bikes and I can't speak highly enough about them. Instant engagement hubs that are both light and tough. As long as you aren't punting big stuff then I think you'd be stoked on the KOMs too. Great wheel set if carbon isnt in your budget
    I9 and their licensed hubs are pretty good, the weather sealing is kind of dodgy though.
    Between my Hope 40t and my I9 (P321) I can't really tell the difference when it comes to the engagement.

    Rain makes it more fun unless you're on a VPP bike, this is from earlier today:

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitflogger View Post
    Nice.

    My wife allows freedom or latitude I don't see given to many husbands. A bike or even shoes in the kitchen are not part of that.

    It's fun to see the different build options and choices people make here. I'll think of more seeing what people do. Then when I ride this bike I finish thinking it is really great with the stock parts though I'm sure I have more performance with tubeless, dropper and ditching the chain guide for narrow/wide 30t.
    Nobody was home during this picture The stock build worked great for me! I just like building things and making them my own. I'm CRAVING a dropper though, I just don't feel as if the technology is there yet, I see a lot of complaints on the longevity/reliability and having to rebuild often.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seven1three View Post
    I haven't gotten the bike out in the wild yet due to recent rains but I can tell a huge difference with the new wheel set just roaming around the neighborhood. This bike loves light wheels!

    I have this same wheel set (I9/KOM) on both of my bikes and I can't speak highly enough about them. Instant engagement hubs that are both light and tough. As long as you aren't punting big stuff then I think you'd be stoked on the KOMs too. Great wheel set if carbon isnt in your budget
    I hate the stock wheels! They work, but man they're heavy! I'm ready to get them swapped out!

    I just won an auction on eBay today for an Inset 7 Chris King headset. I was wondering though, what is that silver piece near the top? I don't see it with any other Inset 7 headset online. Is it possibly the Race just misplaced? Here it is Honzo Build Thread - post your builds here-%24_57.jpg

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    Looks like the race was put there to keep it in place. Remove it and see if it fits the bottom bearing and you'll have your answer

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    That's what I thought, just wondering what you guys thought. I'm so stoked to get this!

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    Thought I'd share my Honzo with you guys.
    It's the 2013 frame with custom paint job (raw steel with clearcoat).

    The spec:
    Fork: X-Fusion Trace
    Dropper: KS LEV 125mm
    Saddle: ANVL Forge Chromo
    Stem/Handlebar: Easton Havoc
    Grips: LizardSkins North Shore
    Brakes: SLX, IceTech rotors
    Cables: Jagwire
    Wheels/hubs: Velocty Blunt 35mm rims, XT (front) and Zee (rear)
    Rubber: Minion DHF, Minion DHR II
    Shifter/der: X9 w clutch (short cage)
    Chainring: Raceface single (narrow-wide)
    Pedals: DMR Vault
    Cranks: FSA Comet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felix_C View Post
    Thought I'd share my Honzo with you guys.
    It's the 2013 frame with custom paint job (raw steel with clearcoat).

    The spec:
    Fork: X-Fusion Trace
    Dropper: KS LEV 125mm
    Saddle: ANVL Forge Chromo
    Stem/Handlebar: Easton Havoc
    Grips: LizardSkins North Shore
    Brakes: SLX, IceTech rotors
    Cables: Jagwire
    Wheels/hubs: Velocty Blunt 35mm rims, XT (front) and Zee (rear)
    Rubber: Minion DHF, Minion DHR II
    Shifter/der: X9 w clutch (short cage)
    Chainring: Raceface single (narrow-wide)
    Pedals: DMR Vault
    Cranks: FSA Comet
    Dood that looks great! The frame looks awesome as well! Great setup

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felix_C View Post
    Thought I'd share my Honzo with you guys.
    It's the 2013 frame with custom paint job (raw steel with clearcoat).

    The spec:
    Fork: X-Fusion Trace
    Dropper: KS LEV 125mm
    Saddle: ANVL Forge Chromo
    Stem/Handlebar: Easton Havoc
    Grips: LizardSkins North Shore
    Brakes: SLX, IceTech rotors
    Cables: Jagwire
    Wheels/hubs: Velocty Blunt 35mm rims, XT (front) and Zee (rear)
    Rubber: Minion DHF, Minion DHR II
    Shifter/der: X9 w clutch (short cage)
    Chainring: Raceface single (narrow-wide)
    Pedals: DMR Vault
    Cranks: FSA Comet

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    Why stop there? I'm sure there are some other orange bits that you could fit on that poor bike that colorblind people won't mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.V.A. View Post
    Why stop there? I'm sure there are some other orange bits that you could fit on that poor bike that colorblind people won't mind.
    Tough Crowd

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeArman View Post
    What's everyones view on running a chain guide with a clutch derailleur and narrow-wide CR? Undecided if I want to take mine off as I like the look, but that's kind of useless weight too....
    I've got about 100 miles on an XTR Clutch/Narrow-wide setup without the chain guide with no problems at all. Go for it!

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