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    Awesome, thanks for the insight FM!! Really digging the honzo, and wanted to try a different bike manufacturer since i haven't in awhile haha. Checked out the pics of your build, looks ridiculously fun (especially w/ the small frame)!

    Considering a custom build with Easton Haven's and Revelation RCT3. Anyone know a good place to purchase a honzo frame??

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    They are both great, but I'm stoked to have the Honzo. Steel, shorter stays and sliding drops! A buddy has a paradox, also a great bike....

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    Quote Originally Posted by p4nh4ndle View Post

    Also, the fact that everybody seems to put a 140mm fork on the thing makes the Eff. TT lengths longer than advertised. So put that in your pipe and smoke it a while...
    By my precise calculations, the 20mm of extra travel has only added .1" to the ETT in my size. A whopping .1".
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    Upgrading the stock 170mm cranks - what length cranks do people prefer on these bikes? (5'10" on 18" med) Is 175 a pedal-strike fest?

    I run 175 on my ReignX without any bother... but it has a 13.8" BBH unsagged (12.5" sagged).

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    A whopping .1".
    Hey, that's a >1/4 of a stem size! :P

    My point was that top tube length is the wrong number to fixate on.

    It (the extra fork length) also adds to front center and trail number, so I'd contend that it's more significant than your calculations of ETT would suggest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p4nh4ndle View Post
    Hey, that's a >1/4 of a stem size! :P

    My point was that top tube length is the wrong number to fixate on.

    It (the extra fork length) also adds to front center and trail number, so I'd contend that it's more significant than your calculations of ETT would suggest.
    I'll agree with you on that, coming from a 24.5" ETT on a previous bike (Transition TransAM), I was very hesitant about going with the XL Honzo 26" ETT. Some of you on here know that it was a long process for me on deciding between a few of these AMHT 29er frames last winter, endless days of comparing geos in a spreadsheet that I have put together, but ultimately I've learned to really focus on reach of a bike most importantly, everything else then just falls into place. The biggest issue for some people still is getting hung up on standover clearance, which to me is the last thing I look at these days. Luckily I'm of a taller height and usually never on the cusp between 2 sizes, because then I would really be going nuts trying to decide which size frame, although the decision between the L 25" ETT and XL 26" ETT Honzo was quite long too, first bought the 25" ETT frame, mocked it up fit components, sat on it gently, and it was like déjà vu all over again with the cramped TransAM feeling that I wanted to get away from. Returned it and bought the XL frame.
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    I agree that front center is the most important measurement from a handling perspective: Waltworks Bicycles: Front Center: It Works, *****es

    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post

    I'll agree with you on that, coming from a 24.5" ETT on a previous bike (Transition TransAM), I was very hesitant about going with the XL Honzo 26" ETT. Some of you on here know that it was a long process for me on deciding between a few of these AMHT 29er frames last winter, endless days of comparing geos in a spreadsheet that I have put together, but ultimately I've learned to really focus on reach of a bike most importantly, everything else then just falls into place. The biggest issue for some people still is getting hung up on standover clearance, which to me is the last thing I look at these days. Luckily I'm of a taller height and usually never on the cusp between 2 sizes, because then I would really be going nuts trying to decide which size frame, although the decision between the L 25" ETT and XL 26" ETT Honzo was quite long too, first bought the 25" ETT frame, mocked it up fit components, sat on it gently, and it was like déjà vu all over again with the cramped TransAM feeling that I wanted to get away from. Returned it and bought the XL frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haggis View Post
    Upgrading the stock 170mm cranks - what length cranks do people prefer on these bikes? (5'10" on 18" med) Is 175 a pedal-strike fest?

    I run 175 on my ReignX without any bother... but it has a 13.8" BBH unsagged (12.5" sagged).
    I think pedal strikes are going to have more to do with a riders bad habits. I have a few rides in on mine and so far, I've had zero pedal strikes (I ride 175mm cranks). I'm sure I will have some pedal strikes at some point but when I do, it will be MY fault not the BB height.

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    Sorry man, but I had to copy you with that orange bar. They'll still look different because I have a white fork, black seatpost, and there's no snow on the ground in San Diego.
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    Totally stock exept the atlas bar

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    Yeah! My seatpost is a silver Thomson... And i'm waiting for a stem of this fruit's color!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    I think pedal strikes are going to have more to do with a riders bad habits. I have a few rides in on mine and so far, I've had zero pedal strikes (I ride 175mm cranks). I'm sure I will have some pedal strikes at some point but when I do, it will be MY fault not the BB height.
    Agree - to a point. The unexpected rock/root you don't spot still hurts...

    Also, being a plodder not a spinner and being my first 29r, I'm interested in hearing how others are coping with the shorter crank/low BB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haggis View Post
    Agree - to a point. The unexpected rock/root you don't spot still hurts...

    Also, being a plodder not a spinner and being my first 29r, I'm interested in hearing how others are coping with the shorter crank/low BB.
    Well, I'm a singlespeed masher myself and every other bike I've had have been XC with pretty high bb's and it doesn't seem to be an issue at all. Hope that helps :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    I think pedal strikes are going to have more to do with a riders bad habits. I have a few rides in on mine and so far, I've had zero pedal strikes (I ride 175mm cranks). I'm sure I will have some pedal strikes at some point but when I do, it will be MY fault not the BB height.
    Pedal strikes will def happen with lower travel on the Honzo. When I ran it at 110mm, it was rock strikes galore, at 140mm, a rare event.
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    Xl is probably for Green giant?
    I'm also 6'3"... 36" inseam... riding an XL and wouldn't change a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Pedal strikes will def happen with lower travel on the Honzo. When I ran it at 110mm, it was rock strikes galore, at 140mm, a rare event.
    Crank length? 170 or 175s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by in the trees View Post
    Crank length? 170 or 175s?
    SLX M665 175mm, straight from my TransAM build. Along with the brakes. Not much else had made the switch over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by in the trees View Post
    Crank length? 170 or 175s?
    I'm running 195mm cranks (that's not a typo). Yeah, I hit the ground quite a bit. But I've been running cranks this long (or longer) since '94 so I'm used to dealing with them. By "used to dealing with them" I don't mean that I hit the ground excessively... it's amazing how much the brain learns & accommodates, even for something like ground clearance.

    That said, if I could change one thing about my Honzo, I'd raise the BB shell an inch... maybe an inch and a half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    I'm running 195mm cranks (that's not a typo). Yeah, I hit the ground quite a bit. But I've been running cranks this long (or longer) since '94 so I'm used to dealing with them. By "used to dealing with them" I don't mean that I hit the ground excessively... it's amazing how much the brain learns & accommodates, even for something like ground clearance.

    That said, if I could change one thing about my Honzo, I'd raise the BB shell an inch... maybe an inch and a half.

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    Holy crap. That puts things into perspective... ~100mm clearance on flat ground.

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    Is it possible to change the travel in the revelation of the honzo of 2011/2012 to 140mm?

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    You probably meant 2012/2013, right?

    Anyway, the answer is yes.

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    Got a local shop to do the head tube machining halfway; turns out they didn't have the over-sized reamer for their park tool.

    Facing tool, yes. Reamer, no. Probably going to have them do the reaming too after seeing how far off the bottom face of the head tube was though.

    Mechanic literally did a double take as he re-adjusted the mill to take off extra material. It was that far out of square.

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    So, what size frame for 5'10"? Sounds like either S or M depending on rider preference?
    I'm 5-9 on a Medium with a 40mm stem and 140mm fork and find it perfect after two rides. Set up next to my medium 2009 Giant Trance X3 with stock stem, the distance from the handlebars to front of seat was nearly identical and the lowest point of top tube was the same distance from the ground. I think a small would have been too compact for me as I have longish arms.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NslrPrtn View Post
    I'll post some pics up soon...
    Looks wicked indeed. Definitely an awesome color choice, especially with the shiny black decals. FS if anyone wants to grab it, search eBay.

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    The more I get acclimated to the handling of this bike, the more and more bad ass it gets with every ride!!! I have decided a dropper post is a must after playing around on some trails with the seat down. I always thought that it was just a "jumping" thing but discovered it is also great for cornering and pumping through tech.


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    semi-honzo related.... my buddy peaches got some fun helmet-cam footage of my dog Lulu! Thanks Ian!

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/62112252" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/62112252">LULU</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user2749403">Ian Hewitt-Woods</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

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    It also allows multiple shifts up/down per stroke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    semi-honzo related.... my buddy peaches got some fun helmet-cam footage of my dog Lulu! Thanks Ian!
    haha nice!

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    Hi folks, after some advice please. Just bought a 2012 full bike (for a bargain over original price), so planning some upgrades. First off, if I want to go 10 speed, can I just replace cassette, chain, shifter and medium length (or short) mech? Or will I need to think about the free hub body and chain guide too? (both 2012 stock at the moment). Would love to know if anyone has done a 10 speed upgrade on the stock bike. Thanks.

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    Just ordered my small Honzo frame Already have the wheelset for it, and will likely go with the 140mm Revalation RCT3 from CRC. Oh and XT brakes when a deal pops up (wiggles is out of stock).

    Curious if anyone has thoughts on selecting drivetrain components. Been running SRAM 1x10 in 33 x 11-36 on my 26" rig. Might try Shimano with the Zee short cage der, and saint shifter. Was thinking the SLX 11-36 cassette should suffice. I was also planning a 32 ring in front, but wasn't sure if I should drop down to 30... I could handle a 34 on my 26er when I'm in shape. The part where I always struggle on builds is cranks! Anyone know an affordable option that aren't boat anchors?? Looking at chain guides, the MRP micro caught my eye... not sure if anyone has tried one yet.

    Have most of the other stuff ordered or laying around. Oh, and dropper... that one is gonna break the bank but I can't live without one. I have a Reverb I'm afraid to even breath on but has been holding up after 3 warranties, so time to try something else (maybe the Lev). It's always funny what a cheap in simple hard tail build turns into haha.

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    Dig your Honzo pics! Came across a bunch while researching the honzo. I'm in SD as well so will try to build mine up in a different color scheme

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitthew View Post
    Hi folks, after some advice please. Just bought a 2012 full bike (for a bargain over original price), so planning some upgrades. First off, if I want to go 10 speed, can I just replace cassette, chain, shifter and medium length (or short) mech? Or will I need to think about the free hub body and chain guide too? (both 2012 stock at the moment). Would love to know if anyone has done a 10 speed upgrade on the stock bike. Thanks.
    If you really have your heart set on changing out brand new drivetrain parts just for the sake of 1 extra gear go for it, but the stock parts are decent as is. I would keep them on until they wear out or fail, then shop for upgrades.
    You will need to change the shifter, chain, cassette, and derailleur if you go 10 speed. Chainguide and freehub will be fine as is.

    My advice is to take the money you would spend on those parts, add some to it, and look at upgrading to a lighter, stronger set of wheels/hubs. You will notice more performance gains that way then you ever would with one more gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshM View Post
    If you really have your heart set on changing out brand new drivetrain parts just for the sake of 1 extra gear go for it, but the stock parts are decent as is. I would keep them on until they wear out or fail, then shop for upgrades.
    You will need to change the shifter, chain, cassette, and derailleur if you go 10 speed. Chainguide and freehub will be fine as is.

    My advice is to take the money you would spend on those parts, add some to it, and look at upgrading to a lighter, stronger set of wheels/hubs. You will notice more performance gains that way then you ever would with one more gear.
    It's not the extra gear, but that Shimano seem to be discontinuing 9 speed stuff for Deore and above. Slx 9 speed shifters are getting very hard to source and I began to wonder if I should jump on the 10 speed boat before wasting any money on 9 speed upgrades if I'm going to find I can't get a 9 speed derailleur in a few months/year - I really want to replace the shifter. But I think you're right, I'll find a shifter somewhere and upgrade the rest as it breaks and if I have to go 10 speed at that point, then so be it.

    With regard to wheels, a few seem to be using Ringle Charger - how much of an upgrade would that be? Anyone actually made that change, or got a view?
    Thanks for your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitthew View Post
    With regard to wheels, a few seem to be using Ringle Charger - how much of an upgrade would that be? Anyone actually made that change, or got a view?
    Thanks for your help.
    Eurospek has them on his 2012 Honzo, and I have them on my Canfield Yelli Screamy. We both picked them up during a crazy sale from CRC. Looking back, I wish I would have picked up two sets. I'll let him comment on how he likes his, but I am very happy with mine. I got them for right around $300 shipped last year, and I've seen them on sale a few times this year as well. It's going to be hard to beat the bang for the buck if you can get them on a good sale. They come tubeless ready, sealant and valves included in the box. Sun-Ringle also has great customer service from what I have read on here as well as other forums.

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    Thanks-Let me know if you have any questions. Sweetwater/Rockhouse is my local trail. When you get it built up let's go ride.

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    Dig your Honzo pics! Came across a bunch while researching the honzo. I'm in SD as well so will try to build mine up in a different color scheme

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    Would you guys knock it off with all the updates. It's making me wanna ride my Honzo and I gotta wait!

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    Dirtysurfer and Mitthew, I wanted to give you my thoughts on drivetrain. I love what I currently have and it shifts perfectly. It's instantaneous,crisp, quiet, and precise. I weigh about 200 lbs. and I stand almost the entire time, single speed style, but with gears, so I abuse chains and rings. My drivetrain choices were based on strength/durability first and price/value second. Here's what I'm running:

    Shimano Zee derailleur
    Shimano XT shifter (capable of dumping two gears at a time by simply depressing or pulling trigger past a certain point)
    Shimano XT 10 speed cassette 11-36
    Renthal 35t single speed chain ring
    E-13 chain guide w/ taco bash, lower pulley removed (clutch derailleur makes it unnecessary)
    KMC 10 speed chain - I don't know what it is about this chain, but I feel like it's freaking strong and it shifts great! AND it's CHEAP.
    Shimano SLX cranks

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    JoshM and carabao, thanks for the input fellas, very helpful. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshM View Post
    Eurospek has them on his 2012 Honzo, and I have them on my Canfield Yelli Screamy. We both picked them up during a crazy sale from CRC. Looking back, I wish I would have picked up two sets. I'll let him comment on how he likes his, but I am very happy with mine. I got them for right around $300 shipped last year, and I've seen them on sale a few times this year as well. It's going to be hard to beat the bang for the buck if you can get them on a good sale. They come tubeless ready, sealant and valves included in the box. Sun-Ringle also has great customer service from what I have read on here as well as other forums.
    I love mine! Both of ours are the Experts, not Pro, which used regular spokes vs straight pull, and brass nipples. The hub itself is POE 30 vs 24 on the Pros, another bonus. For the money these can't be beat, hold up to a ton of abuse, super easy to go tubeless, etc. I've had personal experience with their customer service and they've been wonderful and even shipped me free replacement spokes. If I was building again today, I would definitely purchase again for the same price. If you can't find them anymore for this price, your next best bet is some Hope Pro2 Evo / Stans Flow EX 29er wheels from CRC for around $450, but lack any of the stuff to get you rolling tubeless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i.a.n. View Post
    Would you guys knock it off with all the updates. It's making me wanna ride my Honzo and I gotta wait!
    I know you don't mean that, so I'm posting pics when I get back from Moab!

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    Thanks again to all for the views on drivetrain and wheels. Loving this bike.

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    Has anyone tried the White Brothers Loop TCR fork? I am likely going to pull the trigger on a Large frame soon and I have everything sorted except for the fork. The Fox 34 is honestly overpriced in my book, so that is out. I could wait for the Xfusion 34mm stanchion fork, but that seems to be eternally delayed. White Brothers looks like a good option, but I was looking for some feedback. I would get the 140mm version

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    I asked the same question, then went and bought the Revelation anyway.

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    At the moment, the 2012 Revelation RTC3 from CRC for $488 is going to be tough to beat. You can even score the cheaper RL version for under $390.
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    Build Finally Finished

    Picked the frame at the end of January and have been slowly piecing it together since.

    Frame - Small
    Bar - Truvativ AKA
    Stem - Truvativ AKA
    Grips - Lock On Lizard Skin
    Brakes - SLX 180mm rotors (front and back)
    Fork - Revelation RL 130mm
    Cranks - SLX
    Chain Ring - Salsa 32t
    Wheels - WTB i23
    Hubs - Hope
    Tires - WTB WW 2.3 (tubeless)
    Cog - DMR 16t

    Super excited to have this thing built up. I was/am planning on going 1x10 but decided to borrow my SS parts from another bike
    just to get it off of the workstand and on the trail. I had so much fun and was surprised at how well I was able to handle my local trail
    that I may end up keeping it SS for a while.

    I thank many of you folks for all that you have shared. Your info made researching and building so much easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    At the moment, the 2012 Revelation RTC3 from CRC for $488 is going to be tough to beat. You can even score the cheaper RL version for under $390.
    This is true. I was hoping to use the 15mm American Classic hub I have on the TransAM, but I have the 20mm hanging around as well (100g heavier). It will probably be stiffer with the 20mm anyway. Its too bad there are no conversions for the front hub, so I will have to re-lace the wheel if I ever go to 15mm.

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    Small Honzo Measurement Request

    Can some with a small Honzo grab a measurement for me? Please measure standover, in line with the front of the chainring. The geometry chart measurement is at the middle of the TT and I'm wandering if one of these is possible for my wife.

    Thanks in advance,
    Nitrous
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