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    Quote Originally Posted by i.a.n. View Post
    I'm 5' 11" and got the large frame (20) and a 50mm stem. Fits perfect. I've got a longer inseam than most people my height. My friend is 5' 10" with a similar inseam and she rocked the bike like it was a toy.

    I can toss it around with ease.
    This is the good and sometimes bad thing about being 6'. We tend to be able to use a large or medium frame which is great, but it can sure make it harder to decide which size to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad-Duck View Post
    This is the good and sometimes bad thing about being 6'. We tend to be able to use a large or medium frame which is great, but it can sure make it harder to decide which size to go.
    Agreed. I am actually riding a small Jabberwocky currently. I do not feel cramped on it and it doesn't hinder my riding in any way. The only thing that makes it too small is the fact that I KNOW it's too small...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    What's up with the weight concern? Do reviews say it is not a good fork for heavier people? I'd rather spend more for a fork that is good for my bodytype, then spend half for a fork that isn't.
    It's not a concern so much as an observation. All the threads I have read seem to echo most people won't notice a difference in stiffness between an F34 and a RS Rev until you get up in rider weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    It's not a concern so much as an observation. All the threads I have read seem to echo most people won't notice a difference in stiffness between an F34 and a RS Rev until you get up in rider weight.
    I have not tried an F34, but I do have a Fox 36 160 and a Fox 32 140 (26er forks). I am 160lbs, so not a heavyweight, and I can easily feel the 32 flexing all over the joint. Both forks are 1.125 steerer tube.

    I wouldn't expect the 34 to be a rock like the 36, but physics tells me it should be an improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squads View Post
    I have not tried an F34, but I do have a Fox 36 160 and a Fox 32 140 (26er forks). I am 160lbs, so not a heavyweight, and I can easily feel the 32 flexing all over the joint. Both forks are 1.125 steerer tube.

    I wouldn't expect the 34 to be a rock like the 36, but physics tells me it should be an improvement.
    I've owned both a 1 1/8 Fox 36 and now the Fox 34, I don't feel I've given anything up but, both are rock solid. 32mm stanchion should have no place on long travel forks IMO, especially on 29ers. They belong on a 100mm SID or F29.
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    nice! and with a wite fork

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    Nice pic, nice bike Looks like that's the only hill in a 100 mile radius

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    P.S: BTW, does anyone know the height of a 2013 Honzo (preferably size M)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by problematiks View Post
    Nice pic, nice bike Looks like that's the only hill in a 100 mile radius

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    P.S: BTW, does anyone know the height of a 2013 Honzo (preferably size M)?
    I ride a medium. What measurement are you referring to? Is it something that isn't on the geo chart, like handlebar height, or are you referring to standover?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    I ride a medium. What measurement are you referring to? Is it something that isn't on the geo chart, like handlebar height, or are you referring to standover?
    What is your height if you don't mind? That picture makes a medium look a bit smaller than I expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squads View Post
    What is your height if you don't mind? That picture makes a medium look a bit smaller than I expected.
    I'm 5'10, 200lbs, 31-32 inch inseam, longish torso. I have that effect on bikes, making them look smaller. You should see how small a 26" bike looks under me. It's similar to a Niner bike medium if you're familiar with that brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squads View Post
    What is your height if you don't mind? That picture makes a medium look a bit smaller than I expected.
    Here's a pic of me standing next to my old medium Honzo, same geo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    I'm 5'10, 200lbs, 31-32 inch inseam, longish torso. I have that effect on bikes, making them look smaller. You should see how small a 26" bike looks under me. It's similar to a Niner bike medium if you're familiar with that brand.
    Great, thanks for the info. I am definitely going with a large frame. I am 6'1/2", 165lbs, 33" inseam and monkey arms. I can tell from that riding pic that I would be too far out over the back wheel if I rode a medium w/50mm stem.

    It also confirms the white fork looks good with the gold

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    Quote Originally Posted by squads View Post
    Great, thanks for the info. I am definitely going with a large frame. I am 6'1/2", 165lbs, 33" inseam and monkey arms. I can tell from that riding pic that I would be too far out over the back wheel if I rode a medium w/50mm stem.

    It also confirms the white fork looks good with the gold
    Yeah, a medium would be too small for you. I had to switch to a 65mm stem to open up the cockpit more. A large would have worked for me, but I'd have no standover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    I ride a medium. What measurement are you referring to? Is it something that isn't on the geo chart, like handlebar height, or are you referring to standover?
    Oops, that was a typo...I meant weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    It's been covered so many times.

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    I have a CC40 and would definitely buy it again, anything above that is just bike bling.

    There's also a Hope headset that fits, its lower cup is huge and most likely will have to be special ordered via LBS from Hope UK directly.
    Another noob question, is this independ of the fork used? Still doubting between a fox 34 (really don't like the white), the x-fusion trace (not much info to find on the net about availability), or that rockshox relevation in discount (only 32 stanchion). But is it ok to already order a headset, or do I have to make sure I know which fork I'm going to get first?

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    ^ All those mentioned come with a tapered steerer so you're good to go with any headset I've link and it'll work just fine with any tapered fork.
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    thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by i.a.n. View Post
    You won't be disappointed. And from what I've read the small is much lighter, so you should be able to get it under 26 pounds.
    Since the price was so nice, I just pulled the trigger on an overstocked 2012 Revelation RCT3 (non-dual position) and headset. Looking forward to getting this project rolling again.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the rear dropout sliders are IS mount style, no? So if I buy a post mount brake, I need an IS to Post mount adapter? This one: Shimano Post Mount Calliper Adapter for Rear IS Frame Mounts | Evans Cycles

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    On the '12, yes, IS tab sliders. Can't speak for the '13 model, though I'd assume it's also IS.

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    Yeah, it's got ISO tabs. Any shop will have the adapter, they're common. I had a couple floating around in my toolbox. No real issue.

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    Nobody with info about stock Honzo 2013 (size M, but any other will be a good start, too) weight?

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    Did you check Honzo frame weight out?
    Edit: excuse me, you probably want the weight of the frame nd all stock parts

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    New fork for 2013 season!

    Back to my fork story, my old 2012 Fox 34 Float FIT RLC developed the dreaded CSU creaking midway through lastseason. I finally received my fork back from FOX service yesterday after sitting there for a good solid week. Either way I was only hoping for a rebuild and CSU replacement, but FOX stepped it up and offered to send me a complete new Fox 34 Float. Only choice I had to make was either the 2012 damper FIT RLC or 2013 CTD. I politely declined the CTD stuff, and went for the FIT RLC damper, but they upgraded me to the new and improved Fox Float Air spring (updated for longer travel Floats 130-180mm travel) which has been getting awesome reviews compared to the CTD damper. Definitely is going to be a more linear fork, feeling coil-like almost. And lucked out again and received black lowers as well. Reason for Fox keeping my old fork was they are doing a case study of the creaking CSU by their engineers and would have rather kept my old one whole (not too many 34s have been going back for creaking) instead of only the CSU, no problem with me on that. Once again, I've been surprised by the customer service support at Fox and will continue being their fan boy.
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    Size

    Just wanted to add to the sizing question. Im about 5-9 and had a Trance X3 in size Medium prior to the Honzo. I bought a Medium Honzo frame despite what appears to be a close match in terms of geo of the small Honzo and medium Trance. Just finished building up the Honzo and took it for a spin in the neighborhood. Medium felt perfect. I think a small may have been too compact for me. I did buy a 40mm stem because I thought the medium might be too big after reading some of the posts here. I could go to a 50mm and I believe it would still fit great. Not sure how some of the riders here who are taller than I are riding a small frame.

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    5'9 on a small!


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    ^ The red with the gold looks awesome. Have you lowered your fork though? Looks like it's sitting lower than 140mm. New pedals too I see.
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    Thanks, I still don't feel I've gotten a decent picture of it yet....
    Super fun ride on it today though, I love the Honzo.... it's like a big BMX cruiser. perfect for the tight slalomy trails we ride today.
    Fork should be at 140, but I'll double check it!
    Same pedals (old straitlines, going strong).

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    Maybe it's the angle and the fender playing tricks on me lol, I was going off this pic.
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    What size do you think would be good for me? Im 6,2 with 34" inseem.
    How long is the stem that comes with the complete bike build? I am leaning towards 20L (22") frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jocke.n View Post
    What size do you think would be good for me? Im 6,2 with 34" inseem.
    How long is the stem that comes with the complete bike build? I am leaning towards 20L (22") frame.
    60mm stem on all sizes.
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    For me sizing comes down to top tube length. I personally prefer a longer TT and shorter stem. With that said I've got a 34+ inch inseam and I'm only 5'11". I know, I'm a freak. I went with a large frame (20) and 50mm stem. The TT length is shorter than Kona advertises, so my cockpit is a tiny bit compact, but I don't mind it. I was thinking of going with a 60mm stem, but I've gotten used to the 50mm and really like it now.

    Since you're 3 inches taller than me I'm thinking the 22 might be a better fit. I don't know the stem length on the stock build, but I'd imagine it's in the 70mm range.

    Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jocke.n View Post
    What size do you think would be good for me? Im 6,2 with 34" inseem.
    How long is the stem that comes with the complete bike build? I am leaning towards 20L (22") frame.

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    Totally stock exept the atlas bar
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    ^ I have the same bar on my Yelli Screamy, cut to 740mm. Awsome choice.

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    Anyone know if a set of Paragon Machine Works sliders will fit these frames? Or Explosif 27.5?

    EDIT - Got an email back from P.M.W. Their sliding dropouts use a 9mm wide x 9mm tall boss. Does that fit/work with the Kona frames?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mathieusaintjean View Post
    Totally stock exept the atlas bar
    I really like that bar! Ties in nicely.

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    Nice photo. The way the colour of the bar and the frame logo stands out is cool.
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Ok I've been beating the crap out of mine for a year so I guess I should post up! Got some new bits i am excited about too:

    2012 Honzo 18"
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    BB7 mech brakes, speeddial
    Gravity Dropper Turbo sans boot
    Ardent 2.4 front, Geax Saguaro rear tire

    Running the stock ethirteen chainguide which still works fine with the smaller chainring...
    THANKs to all of you for your posts/suggestions...this is a great forum and you all have really helped me dial in the build - really happy with the bike!
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    Shredder!

    Quote Originally Posted by CBizzie View Post
    Ok I've been beating the crap out of mine for a year so I guess I should post up! Got some new bits i am excited about too:

    2012 Honzo 18"
    Rev RL fork
    Deity Dirty 30 bars 760mm
    Flow EX rims on Hope pro2 front, DT Swiss 350 rear W engagement Upgrade
    AKA spiderless cranks w/MRP blingring 30t
    Deity comp pedals
    BB7 mech brakes, speeddial
    Gravity Dropper Turbo sans boot
    Ardent 2.4 front, Geax Saguaro rear tire

    Running the stock ethirteen chainguide which still works fine with the smaller chainring...
    THANKs to all of you for your posts/suggestions...this is a great forum and you all have really helped me dial in the build - really happy with the bike!

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    Takin' the frame to the local shop for headtube milling and facing tomorrow. Hopefully they can git'r'done over the weekend. Brakes are in the mail. Need some 191mm spokes for a crap-tacular 20mm through-axle wheel rebuild.

    Times are tough. This is a work in progress. Upgrades will be made, but I'd rather be riding it than looking at it meanwhile.

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    Here she is! Got in a good ride on it yesterday. Crazy fun bike to ride!

    I'm really glad I didn't go with the large. The medium fits me perfectly. Anything bigger would feel like a bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    I'm really glad I didn't go with the large.
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    after seeing the small frame sorta mocked up in the basement, i'm feeling the same way about not going for a medium. nothing is worse than a too large bike when you want things to go "brrrrap!"

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    So, what size frame for 5'10"? Sounds like either S or M depending on rider preference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by in the trees View Post
    So, what size frame for 5'10"? Sounds like either S or M depending on rider preference?
    Yep. we're close in height- I'm 5-9" with a 32" inseam on my Levis, riding a small, love it. 50mm stem and 30" bars. seat height on my bikes runs 29" BB to top of saddle. The small definitely has a big-BMX bike feel, but actually doesn't feel cramped at all length-wise. The short chainstays and wheelbase are a blast- super easy to lift the front end and snap the bike around corners, unlike many 29'ers.

    Something to keep in mind is that the small Honzo actually has a longer wheelbase than a medium yelli screamy, despite the honzo having shorter chainstays. Canfield doesn't post stack/reach, but that says to me the reach on the small kona may be longer than the medium canfield. Having owned both bikes I'd say that sounds about right.

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    Yep, and the medium has an extra inch of wheelbase over the small. Since all of the Honzo sizes have the same length rear end, this translates to an extra 25mm of front center. The top tube length on this bike is a deceptive number to go by. You want to size it based on the appropriate front center for your riding style.

    Also, the fact that everybody seems to put a 140mm fork on the thing makes the Eff. TT lengths longer than advertised. So put that in your pipe and smoke it a while...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    Here she is! Got in a good ride on it yesterday. Crazy fun bike to ride!

    I'm really glad I didn't go with the large. The medium fits me perfectly. Anything bigger would feel like a bus.

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    That does it, I've made the decision and ordered the Revelation too. At such a discount, it's too good to pass up. XX1 crank delivery is delayed again with 4 weeks though

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    Hey FM, looking at the Honzo and that helped a lot for my sizing! Curious what your thoughts are on the Yelli vs Honzo. And also why you didn't go with a Paradox. Been riding a v1 medium Spitfire, and in the process of replacing it with a v2 small spitty frame. I like the Honzo's pricepoint as this would be my first 29er HT experience... and wanted something that feels like my spitty and scirocco.

    Also, is there anything that needs to be immediately upgraded from the stock build? Just planning to swap bars/stem and see if I can get 140mm out of the stock fork.

    Thanks!


    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Yep. we're close in height- I'm 5-9" with a 32" inseam on my Levis, riding a small, love it. 50mm stem and 30" bars. seat height on my bikes runs 29" BB to top of saddle. The small definitely has a big-BMX bike feel, but actually doesn't feel cramped at all length-wise. The short chainstays and wheelbase are a blast- super easy to lift the front end and snap the bike around corners, unlike many 29'ers.

    Something to keep in mind is that the small Honzo actually has a longer wheelbase than a medium yelli screamy, despite the honzo having shorter chainstays. Canfield doesn't post stack/reach, but that says to me the reach on the small kona may be longer than the medium canfield. Having owned both bikes I'd say that sounds about right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtysurfer View Post
    Curious what your thoughts are on the Yelli vs Honzo. And also why you didn't go with a Paradox.
    Cool. The Yelli and Honzo are both great rides! I had so many good times on my Yelli, and it saw everything from Epic XC rides to black diamon shuttle runs. Without doubt I found it capable of hanging on many rides where my buddies were riding 160mm FS bikes.

    The Yelli and Honzo are similar in many ways, but the weight, chainstay length and BB height differences are noticable. The Honzo is more fun to jump, manual and slash corners with. Generally a better descender. The Yelli is a little better as an XC ride- the lighter weight and longer stays were nice for long climbs. FWIW, I don't recall the Yelli as being "too stiff" despite being aluminum... likewise the Honzo is pretty stiff for a steel frame.

    They are both great, but I'm stoked to have the Honzo. Steel, shorter stays and sliding drops! A buddy has a paradox, also a great bike....

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    Quote Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    I really like that bar! Ties in nicely.
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