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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    I couldn't find anything on the Kona site about recommended size for rider hight. I ordered a medium (I'm 6') because the ETT and reach is a little longer than the frames I've been riding. But I see a
    Lot of 6' people that are getting the large.

    Any 6' guys riding mediums??
    I am in the same boat. The specs on the Medium look to match what I would want, but sometimes bikes will fit larger or smaller than the specs on paper.

    I am 6' tall and currently riding a TransAM 26er with 650b wheels. 24.2 ETT, 44.2 wheelbase, something like 68.5/73 angles. I ride it with a 50mm stem and I know I don't want a bike that is any longer than the TA. I like the setup, but the BB is something like 13.1 with the bigger wheels, so it doesn't turn that well.

    Very interested to hear how the Medium Honzo fits.

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    No wonder I hated the fit of my 26er TransAM, mine was setup with a 50mm stem as well, 780mm bars, and I was always felt cramped and OTB on it being 6'4". But the only advice I can give to you guys is the Honzo rides smaller than ETT leads you to believe (at least IMO). I was hesitant about going with a 26" ETT but I'm sure glad I did. I also had the Large frame (20" regular) at the house before but never built it up to see how it rides, it looked short in the ETT, especially if you plan on running short stems on this bike as it was designed to do.
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    @Eurospek
    I'm 6'5" and got the 20L (XL in europe) frame, since you are almost as tall as me and also have the honzo, which stem length would you recommend?

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    Any 6' guys riding mediums??
    I, like you, live where it is pretty flat overall and the medium frame is fine for me at 6'2. My build has an 70mm stem, 762mm wide bars and a set back post...

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    As I said, I am just over 6' tall and I was able to test ride both a medium and large Honzo before buying. The medium definitely felt too small for me, too short feeling. I could ride it, but the front wheel seemed close to my feet when turning and the handlebars too close to my knees. The large feels just right to me. It's hard to compare the frame geo numbers because the design is different than other 29ers (I was coming from a 19" Unit and comparing numbers was almost useless). I also have a Banshee Spitfire, and actually those frame numbers for TT and reach are very similar to the Honzo. The Honzo is designed around a short stem, 60mm is what comes on the large. Therefore the top tube and reach will be slightly longer than other bikes designed around long stems. I do wish Kona would have put a sizing chart on the website, that would probably help clear up a lot of these questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NslrPrtn View Post
    I, like you, live where it is pretty flat overall and the medium frame is fine for me at 6'2. My build has an 70mm stem, 762mm wide bars and a set back post...
    IMO it sounds like the frame is too small for you, hence the need for the longer stem and set back post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMtnB44 View Post
    IMO it sounds like the frame is too small for you, hence the need for the longer stem and set back post.
    70mm is considered a long stem? I think riding style and terrain need to be considered when building one of these frames from the ground up, as I did. If the bike is pointed down a majority of the time then a longer ETT and short stem would be more desired, but when trail riding where there is just as much climbing as descending it is better to have a little more weight on the front axle to keep the front from wondering. To say a frame is designed around the stem is a little on the kool-aid side...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    @Eurospek
    I'm 6'5" and got the 20L (XL in europe) frame, since you are almost as tall as me and also have the honzo, which stem length would you recommend?
    Definitely start out with a 50mm. If you find it short (although I doubt it) move to a 60mm. And definitely wide bars (780+mm) help.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustMtnB44 View Post
    IMO it sounds like the frame is too small for you, hence the need for the longer stem and set back post.
    I concur. At 6'2" on a 24" ETT? Idk how you do it. The Honzo is already a wheelie machine, with a setback post, somewhat small frame and ETT, climbing sounds like a fun time for you. Not.

    Quote Originally Posted by NslrPrtn View Post
    To say a frame is designed around the stem is a little on the kool-aid side...
    Then you must be sipping on that Haterade. Look up what Kona Gravity Product Manager Chris Mandell said about the design of this frame and maybe you'll understand it the concept of the small stem on the Honzo.

    I can't imagine someone only 2 inches shorter than me 2 frame sizes down and still be comfortable. I did all that before, short ETT and short stems and it was fine for the first hour on the trail, anything over and I've counted the minutes of getting back to the car. And this was on somewhat flat trail riding. And my previous bike rode so fun with a 50mm stem, stepped up to a 70mm, lost it all, and even tried a 90mm, which was super comfortable in terms of reach and sizing, but the fun was lost completely. Long ETT + short stems is winning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    At 6'2" on a 24" ETT? Idk how you do it. The Honzo is already a wheelie machine, with a setback post, somewhat small frame and ETT, climbing sounds like a fun time for you. Not.
    Every bike I have ever owned over the last 18 years of riding MTB has had a ETT of 24 to 24.5 and similar stack-n-reach. When fitted for the IF, a standard 19" frame was ordered with +0.42" to the ETT @ 24.02". I do have to admit, 50mm stems do look really cool though.
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    I've got my Honzo set up with a 90mm stem and a set back Thompson post. I'm 5 11 and the bike fits perfectly. Prior to the set back post however, it did feel a little cramped. In regards to stem size and such, I just rode 40 miles on the Black Canyon Trail in Az, a large percentage of the ride was spent hanging out the leg railing downhill turns. Trust me, the bike handles just fine. As far as climbing goes, I do the majority of mine standing so I'm not even coming close to looping out. This being said, I personally think anyone over 5 11 should probably be on a large with a shorter stem. I'm running a 60 mm on my new whip and it does feel good. I also recently went to some 2.4 Ardents front and rear on the Honzo and they absolutely rip my terrain with plenty of clearance. Pic is old but lost in the thread and all my newer ones are too big, even cell phone pics.
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    Does the frame come with rear axle?

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    Nevermind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    Does the frame come with rear axle?
    Mine did... I think
    Still have to figure out what it is, but my frame had a black rock shox maxle 142x12 axle with it. Not sure if it is a front or a rear axle, maybe I'll post a picture of it when I'm home tonight. The frame also included a seatpost qr clamp and clips for the cables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Mine did... I think
    Still have to figure out what it is, but my frame had a black rock shox maxle 142x12 axle with it. Not sure if it is a front or a rear axle, maybe I'll post a picture of it when I'm home tonight. The frame also included a seatpost qr clamp and clips for the cables.
    Through axles are supposed to be supplied with frames and forks. dfuse, if you bought frame only, then the Maxle you received is for the frame (since Kona has no idea which fork you'll employ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Through axles are supposed to be supplied with frames and forks. dfuse, if you bought frame only, then the Maxle you received is for the frame (since Kona has no idea which fork you'll employ).

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    Thought the same but then I saw a vid on pinkbike, the rear axle seemed to consist of 2 parts.. anyway, found a pic online of what the axle looks like that I got with my frame: http://www.bikeparts4u.nl/image/cach...rg-500x500.jpg. Is that a rear axle? (still got some research to do before my bike is complete )

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Thought the same but then I saw a vid on pinkbike, the rear axle seemed to consist of 2 parts.. anyway, found a pic online of what the axle looks like that I got with my frame: http://www.bikeparts4u.nl/image/cach...rg-500x500.jpg. Is that a rear axle? (still got some research to do before my bike is complete )
    Indeed it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    Does the frame come with rear axle?
    So it seems yes, you do with the 2013 frame.

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    I edited my post, I was pretty sure the frame didn't come with a Maxle, good to know. Now if only my Sun-Ringle Charger Experts were convertible I'd love to try the 142x12 setup to see if there's any stiffness difference.
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    Anybody know where I can find the regular QR dropouts? Because apperently my hope SS/trails hubs aren't convertible either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    Anybody know where I can find the regular QR dropouts? Because apperently my hope SS/trails hubs aren't convertible either.
    The X12 Thru kit won't work for the Evo SS hubs? Are they specific to the non SS Evo2?

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    They aren't evo's, just the regular SS/trials or the older ones

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    Unless somebody knows otherwise, I'd be very happy to be wrong about this

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    Unless somebody knows otherwise, I'd be very happy to be wrong about this
    Probably best to contact Hope directly. It may be an axle swap, as opposed to end cap replacements for the Evo line. Just my guess, so best to check with Hope. If you still need to go with the QR dropouts, I may consider going to 142x12 myself and we can swap. I have '12 model with the QR rear and still in build planning stage. Let me know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NslrPrtn View Post
    70mm is considered a long stem? I think riding style and terrain need to be considered when building one of these frames from the ground up, as I did. If the bike is pointed down a majority of the time then a longer ETT and short stem would be more desired, but when trail riding where there is just as much climbing as descending it is better to have a little more weight on the front axle to keep the front from wondering. To say a frame is designed around the stem is a little on the kool-aid side...
    70mm is not long, just longer than stock. Mostly the setback post is what indicates to me that a frame is on the small side. Especially because a setback post moves your CG rearward, exactly where you don't want it for climbing. I don't know what Kool-aid you drink, but frames are definitely designed around a certain stem length...you can't just put any length stem on any frame and expect it to always work ok. But you can change the stem length within reason to fine tune the fit. I don't think your stem length is wrong, but unless you have unusual body proportions I still think a large frame would fit you better. Did you try a large, or only the medium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    Anybody know where I can find the regular QR dropouts? Because apperently my hope SS/trails hubs aren't convertible either.
    Derailleur Hanger/dropouts - Kona USA Web Store

    The QR dropouts are CC style.
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    The 142x12 Maxle is for the rear dropouts on the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Definitely start out with a 50mm. If you find it short (although I doubt it) move to a 60mm. And definitely wide bars (780+mm) help.
    Got any tips for which handlebars? The widest I can find is the Truvativ Boobar (780mm). For the stem I was thinking about the Thomson Elite X4 Stubby, 50mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Got any tips for which handlebars? The widest I can find is the Truvativ Boobar (780mm). For the stem I was thinking about the Thomson Elite X4 Stubby, 50mm.
    Good choice on stem, I'm running the same one.

    As for bars, most these days stop at 780 or 785mm. I'm running 780mm wide Chromag OSX with a 25mm rise, and these feel perfect to me. It would be nice if they came in 800mm but might be problematic at some spots where I ride.

    For a 2013 color frame, I think the Renthal Fatbars 780mm look good paired with it. If you're looking for 800mm bars, then the new 35mm Easton Havoc are that wide, but require the new 35mm standard stem as well. The only other bar that I'm thinking of that is 800mm wide is the FUNN Fatboy DH wide bars, they come in at 810mm (cheap too compared to everything else mentioned).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Got any tips for which handlebars? The widest I can find is the Truvativ Boobar (780mm). For the stem I was thinking about the Thomson Elite X4 Stubby, 50mm.
    Personally I'm using some 780mm Kona-branded risers... like 'em just fine. The slack head angle + wide bars + short stem configuration works together very well on this bike. Absolutely confidence inspiring at speed and going off stuff.

    If you have the option to run your fork at 140mm, I recommend it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Got any tips for which handlebars? The widest I can find is the Truvativ Boobar (780mm). For the stem I was thinking about the Thomson Elite X4 Stubby, 50mm.
    Check out Raceface Atlas bars. They are a cool 1/2" rise to keep the front end low, and come in a ton of colors.

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    RF Atlas bars also come in a flat bar and 1 1/4" rise. Not really sure what rise you want but Atlas bars cover a lot of bases. Once I get my frame,most likely a Honzo, I am going to switch back to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Personally I'm using some 780mm Kona-branded risers... like 'em just fine.

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    The stock ones that came with the bike? That's impressive then they spec'd with such wide bars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    The stock ones that came with the bike? That's impressive then they spec'd with such wide bars.
    These are aftermarket... I'm such a dumbass, I cut the bars that came with the bike! Was too used to my XC bike so out came the hacksaw without thinking. Soon as I rode it, I knew I'd F'd up. So my GF bought me these cuz I whined so much (LBS had 'em in stock) so I gave her my chopped down ones (she loves 'em) and put the fresh ones on. The new ones have a bit more rise than the stockers... they're sweet for my 6'3" bod. Same Kona logo as stockers.

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    Thanks guys!
    From all the handlebars you mentioned, I only found a few in online Europe stores, and the Race Face Atlas FR is discontinued in black (only in orange is still available). The only option remaining is the Renthal FatBar Riser Bar (Renthal FatBar Riser Bar | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com). Good choice? I don't know about the rise, since I've only ridden flat bars in the past, but I'm willing to try it out.
    Edit: I already ordered the orange ESI Chunky grips!

    As for the fork, I already read somewhere in this thread that 140mm would be a good choice, so I was contemplating the Fox 34 TALAS 29 140 FIT CTD, would that be ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Thanks guys!
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    As for the fork, I already read somewhere in this thread that 140mm would be a good choice, so I was contemplating the Fox 34 TALAS 29 140 FIT CTD, would that be ok?
    Um... yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    As for the fork, I already read somewhere in this thread that 140mm would be a good choice, so I was contemplating the Fox 34 TALAS 29 140 FIT CTD, would that be ok?
    I just ordered a '12 RS Revelation RCT3 140mm from CRC for a little more than $400 US. From what I have read here its just as good of a fork as the 34 if you are small/medium sized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    I just ordered a '12 RS Revelation RCT3 140mm from CRC for a little more than $400 US. From what I have read here its just as good of a fork as the 34 if you are small/medium sized.
    Wouldn't mind a cheapier solution. I'm 1.96m though (6'5"), so I wouldn't say I'm small/medium sized. Or do you mean weight-wise?

    Also, the RS Relevation is white...

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    It seems to be more of a weight thing. I hope it works out for me at 180 lbs. The 2012 I ordered is black. I can't post up a link because I just got to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    It seems to be more of a weight thing. I hope it works out for me at 180 lbs. The 2012 I ordered is black. I can't post up a link because I just got to work.
    Rock Shox Revelation RCT3 29" Dual Air 1.5" Taper 2012 | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com
    This is one? 56% off, not bad!
    I'm usually between 200-220 lbs.

    Reviews seem to be good too, is it the correct size etc for the Honzo? If so I just might order it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMtnB44 View Post
    Did you try a large, or only the medium?
    I have tired a large after the fact and it seemed to fit OK but the front end, as I figured, seemed somewhat vague. Regarding the setback post, I did worry about the CG but I hated how the bike felt like a unicycle with handlebars. Maybe @ 6'2" with a 35" inseam and long arms I have an unusual build, but I am quite happy with the 18". At least we can all agree that the Honzo is a great frame that can satisfy any style of riding/terrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Rock Shox Revelation RCT3 29" Dual Air 1.5" Taper 2012 | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com
    This is one? 56% off, not bad!
    I'm usually between 200-220 lbs.

    Reviews seem to be good too, is it the correct size etc for the Honzo? If so I just might order it.
    Get another $15 off using 15USD coupon code. I might pull the trigger on that as well as I'm a lightweight, but the X-Fusion offerings (Slide and upcoming 34mm Trace) seem intriguing. Apparently, my wallet doesn't seem to agree on how great a Talas would be. Anyone else consider an X-Fusion, or is the Revelation RCT3 the way to go at that price point.

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    Ok, you guys on here have got me really conflicted. My Honzo frame has arrived and is sitting in my living room. I'm just not sure if I should send it back for a large, or build up the medium. I sort of feel like my riding style gravitates towards smaller frames. Singlespeed, always out of the sadle and throwing the bike around. I'm just not sure what I should do...

    If there are more 6' tall riders riding a medium (without a long stem and setback post) I'd sure like to hear about how it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenaustin View Post
    Get another $15 off using 15USD coupon code. I might pull the trigger on that as well as I'm a lightweight,...
    What's up with the weight concern? Do reviews say it is not a good fork for heavier people? I'd rather spend more for a fork that is good for my bodytype, then spend half for a fork that isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
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    This is one? 56% off, not bad!
    I'm usually between 200-220 lbs.

    Reviews seem to be good too, is it the correct size etc for the Honzo? If so I just might order it.
    I have two RS Revs, one on Honzo & one on Turner Sultan. Both set @140mm. Both '12 models. I'm 6'3", 200# (more with gear). I have no complaints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post

    As for the fork, I already read somewhere in this thread that 140mm would be a good choice, so I was contemplating the Fox 34 TALAS 29 140 FIT CTD, would that be ok?
    Don't bother with the Talas 34 IMO. That's what I had on my Honzo when I first built it because I had to have black lowers lol. Did I ever use the Talas feature? Once. And that was that. The search for a black Float 34 started and I finally found one mid season. The Float is a lighter fork, felt smoother, and definitely a lot less to go wrong since the Talas likes to stopped working and you're usually stock at the lowest setting. At 110mm on the Honzo, there was way too many rock strikes and never really liked how it rode. 140mm is perfect for this bike. And the Talas was my first travel adjust fork as well. Never buying another one.

    If you're getting orange Esi grips then I imagine you're on the 2013 frameset and in all honesty, I'd prefer a white Float with that paint scheme, which makes finding a Float 34 that much easier.

    As for the Revelation 140 29er fork, I had one on my bike too (right after I noticed my Fox 34 Float with the dreaded CSU creaking), biggest difference to me was the lowered A-2-C measurement of it (548mm) compared to the Fox 34 (552). It definitely felt different from my setup with the Fox 34 with the stem slapped with only one 2.5mm spacer. With the Revelation I had to throw 10mm worth of spacers to get the position back ideally. The second difference was stiffness. With the Revelation, it was much easier to feel it twisting if you simply held the front wheel with your legs and decided to turn the handlebars. IMO the 32mm stanchions of the Revelation are a lot more noticeable in less stiffness than people's debate over the 20mm Maxle vs the Fox 15QR. Wasn't that impressed with it and maybe if I wasn't such a clyde last season (pushing 265 lbs, down to 195 lbs as of today), I would've formed a different opinion of the Revelation fork, I really wanted to like it, as I paid silly money for both Revelations take-offs I had (don't ask why lol) compared to the $$$ black Fox Float 34.

    And you have to ask yourself if you want to mess with the 2012 Dual Air damper, that was another turn off for me. I'm a set it and forget it type of rider, never really enjoy tuning my previous Rockshox Pike 454 Air that was Dual Air as well.

    For a rider hovering around 200 lbs, I say the 2012 Revelation 140 is definitely worth checking out from CRC for around $400 if on a budget. If you don't like it, you won't loose much trying to sell it. But if we're talking MSRP, I say go Float 34 vs a 2013 Revelation, you can't beat it, but are you willing to drop $800+ on a fork, you surely won't be disappointed by it at all. Especially with Fox's warranty department as well. They've been stellar in my own experiences (more on that later) vs the nightmare trying to deal with SRAM and a busted Reverb post.

    Lastly, the 34mm X Fusion Trace is worth mentioning, priced from $600-750, but it's been getting pushed back monthly now, latest ETA is April last I heard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    Ok, you guys on here have got me really conflicted.
    If there are more 6' tall riders riding a medium (without a long stem and setback post) I'd sure like to hear about how it is.
    Well, I am 5'-9" on a small, inline post and 50mm stem, and couldn't be happier with the fit. I don't find the small to be a tight fit for my height.

    I think a medium would be bang-on for you, personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Don't bother with the Talas 34 IMO. That's what I had on my Honzo when I first built it because I had to have black lowers lol. Did I ever use the Talas feature? Once. And that was that. The search for a black Float 34 started and I finally found one mid season. The Float is a lighter fork, felt smoother, and definitely a lot less to go wrong since the Talas likes to stopped working and you're usually stock at the lowest setting. At 110mm on the Honzo, there was way too many rock strikes and never really liked how it rode. 140mm is perfect for this bike. And the Talas was my first travel adjust fork as well. Never buying another one.

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    I agree with this 100%. I've owned two travel-adjust forks in my life, never used the reduced travel feature on either of them. Reduced A-to-C climbs & descends worse than full travel. Plus more to go wrong with the fork. Plus more expensive to begin with.

    May sound like a good idea while shopping, but not in practice. IMO buy a 140mm fork. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallowedpoint View Post
    Ok, you guys on here have got me really conflicted. My Honzo frame has arrived and is sitting in my living room. I'm just not sure if I should send it back for a large, or build up the medium. I sort of feel like my riding style gravitates towards smaller frames. Singlespeed, always out of the sadle and throwing the bike around. I'm just not sure what I should do...

    If there are more 6' tall riders riding a medium (without a long stem and setback post) I'd sure like to hear about how it is.
    I'm 6' and ride a 18" with a 50mm stem with a 760mm bar and a non set back post and it feels great. At first it seemed just slightly small, since my other trail bike has a .5" longer top tube, but after a couple rides i got used to it. Now it feels perfect and I wouldn't want it any bigger. It's really easy to flick around.

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    I'm 5' 11" and got the large frame (20) and a 50mm stem. Fits perfect. I've got a longer inseam than most people my height. My friend is 5' 10" with a similar inseam and she rocked the bike like it was a toy.

    I can toss it around with ease.

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