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    You know it's a good day at work......

    ...when one of these show's up at the office.
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    Awesome! I'm guessing this is a day glo Chilcotin?!

    I'll be curious to find out your comparisons with the Delirium T. I've been having a blast on my DT recently and hitting some stuff I hadn't previously so it's giving me a big grin. When I get around to buying a new bike (I wish) it will be a tough decision between the chilcotin and endorphin... but currently I would keep my DT and get an endorphin. If I could only have one bike it would definitely be the chilcotin!

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    Oh hell yeah!
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    open open open open!!!!!
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    that seems like it would be a terrible day at work. having that damn box staring you down all day,
    taunting you.
    making you fake a cough.

    damn boxes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    that seems like it would be a terrible day at work. having that damn box staring you down all day,
    taunting you.
    making you fake a cough.

    damn boxes!
    Nailed it. I'd be sick as a dog when that UPS truck pulled up.

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    I'd have a PPI planned for when that box was supposed to arrive.


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    ....must have been some Noel-Flu ya got a big snoot of when opening the box.
    That is some nasty shiat - nailed me bad a few years back when my DT frame showed up at work.

    Beware that this illness can cause some bruising and scrapes to body and appendages, preceded by dirty fingernails. As well as sore facial muscles for the un-natural amount of smiling this illness causes.
    Just lettin ya know so you're prepared for the weird looks when you return to work from being ill.

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    A box - really, what a waste......show us the goods!!!!

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    Not only was it crazy at work with no way to "get sick", but I had stuff I had to do last night so didn't even crack the box open until this morning. Aaaaargh.

    You are right, Brandon, that Dayglo is stunning in person. Really, really happy with the color.

    Still waiting on the fork and wheels but willl start getting everything else hung on the frame tonight and tomorrow.
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    Can't wait to see what you put together KRob!
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    Krob, you are doing it all wrong man.


    We need pics.
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    Hmmmmm, I dunno, I seem to get a lot of those boxes at my office and all it usually means is more work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    Hmmmmm, I dunno, I seem to get a lot of those boxes at my office and all it usually means is more work.
    Ha ha no kidding. Everything is relative I suppose. Thanks again for your work in getting this particular box sent out.

    Now my work begins. I'm a reluctant wrench so not looking forward to this part of the new bike experience.

    I just want to ride it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Ha ha no kidding. Everything is relative I suppose. Thanks again for your work in getting this particular box sent out.

    Now my work begins. I'm a reluctant wrench so not looking forward to this part of the new bike experience.

    I just want to ride it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Not only was it crazy at work with no way to "get sick", but I had stuff I had to do last night so didn't even crack the box open until this morning. Aaaaargh.

    You are right, Brandon, that Dayglo is stunning in person. Really, really happy with the color.

    Still waiting on the fork and wheels but willl start getting everything else hung on the frame tonight and tomorrow.
    WHAT?? Didn't open until the next day? When I received my Podium in the city of Boston I opened it up in .02 seconds with my kids crying in the car. The crying stopped when the art work was displayed and drooled over!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mayha View Post
    WHAT?? Didn't open until the next day? When I received my Podium in the city of Boston I opened it up in .02 seconds with my kids crying in the car. The crying stopped when the art work was displayed and drooled over!
    Yeah, then you called me and were ready to drive to the north shore to show it off. Sick and demented. I love it



    Would love a box like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    I'm a reluctant wrench so not looking forward to this part of the new bike experience.
    My Chili was my first build. The most I had done before that was replace tires, cassettes, chains, and derailleurs. I knew a tenth of what you know about bikes and I did was able to build my bike. It should be a breeze for you, Kent. I've got all the confidence in the world that you can do it easy pie.

    In the end, only three things were scary/confusing:

    1) Selecting the components. I hate to make mistakes so I suffer from paralysis by analysis; and I hadn't a clue about components. About the time I ordered my Chili frame is when I joined MTBR; so I could learn from you guys.

    2) Installing the headset. It started to slant a little and I started to crap my pants. My local bike mechanic laughed and tightened it some more. It worked fine. (I brought my bike stand to my LBS and assembled it on site just in case.)

    3) Installing the bottom bracket. I read conflicting info on the number of spacers required and their positioning with my crankset. Adding to that the instructions assume you can actually find the center line of your bike within a few millimeters. I changed spacers out three times before figuring out the theory behind them; and then I dared tightened the BB down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    My Chili was my first build. The most I had done before that was replace tires, cassettes, chains, and derailleurs. I knew a tenth of what you know about bikes and I did was able to build my bike. It should be a breeze for you, Kent. I've got all the confidence in the world that you can do it easy pie.

    In the end, only three things were scary/confusing:

    1) Selecting the components. I hate to make mistakes so I suffer from paralysis by analysis; and I hadn't a clue about components. About the time I ordered my Chili frame is when I joined MTBR; so I could learn from you guys.

    2) Installing the headset. It started to slant a little and I started to crap my pants. My local bike mechanic laughed and tightened it some more. It worked fine. (I brought my bike stand to my LBS and assembled it on site just in case.)

    3) Installing the bottom bracket. I read conflicting info on the number of spacers required and their positioning with my crankset. Adding to that the instructions assume you can actually find the center line of your bike within a few millimeters. I changed spacers out three times before figuring out the theory behind them; and then I dared tightened the BB down.

    You're miles ahead of my starting point so give'r hell!
    I have the same three concerns and here's how I solved them:

    1) I just let Noel pick the parts. His build kit was solid and priced well so I saved myself the headache of picking each part separately. There's a few things I would've chosen differently but I can always switch things later.

    2) I had Kevin press in my headset before shipping.

    3) and you just solved my last concern. So how many spacers did you end up with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    3) and you just solved my last concern. So how many spacers did you end up with?
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    What I did: I put one spacer on the drive side of my BB.

    Why: This gave me approximately the "standard" 2x10 chainline (49.5mm). IIRC, without the spacer my front derailleur (SRAM), when set not rub in granny gear, had the potential to interfere with the Chili's chain stay. I could be dreaming this, but I think that was the case.

    How to know if this works for you: From inside of the large sprocket to the center line of the Chili should be ~52mm (or ~44 mm to the small sprocket). Note: For a 1x10 the standard chainline is 51mm from the center line of the bike, or ~50mm from the inside of the sprocket. BTW, you can subtract 36.5mm from these numbers and measure from the drive-side of the Chili, which is probably what I did.

    Be sure to test the bike in granny gear and see if the front D will hit the chain stay with the suspension compressed. Hitting your front D on your chainstay is the only thing that has a chance of creating some gnarly damage. If you use the measurements I provided it shouldn't happen, but it would be a major piss-off if it did!

    If you make sure that front D & chainstay don't hit then any possible error is a learning experience.

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    It's all about getting the chainline optimized (i.e. minimize cross-chaining), so your use of gear combos matter. Here is all the info you probably need (and then some) on chainline theory. I would suggest reading the Sheldon Brown stuff to understand the concept; and then read the Park Tool article to get more specific.

    Sheldon: Chainline on Bicycles with Derailers

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
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    What I did: I put one spacer on the drive side of my BB.

    Why: This gave me approximately the "standard" 2x10 chainline (49.5mm). IIRC, without the spacer my front derailleur (SRAM), when set not rub in granny gear, had the potential to interfere with the Chili's chain stay. I could be dreaming this, but I think that was the case.

    How to know if this works for you: From inside of the large sprocket to the center line of the Chili should be ~52mm (or ~44 mm to the small sprocket). Note: For a 1x10 the standard chainline is 51mm from the center line of the bike, or ~50mm from the inside of the sprocket. BTW, you can subtract 36.5mm from these numbers and measure from the drive-side of the Chili, which is probably what I did.

    Be sure to test the bike in granny gear and see if the front D will hit the chain stay with the suspension compressed. Hitting your front D on your chainstay is the only thing that has a chance of creating some gnarly damage. If you use the measurements I provided it shouldn't happen, but it would be a major piss-off if it did!

    If you make sure that front D & chainstay don't hit then any possible error is a learning experience.

    Theoretical Answer
    It's all about getting the chainline optimized (i.e. minimize cross-chaining), so your use of gear combos matter. Here is all the info you probably need (and then some) on chainline theory. I would suggest reading the Sheldon Brown stuff to understand the concept; and then read the Park Tool article to get more specific.

    Sheldon: Chainline on Bicycles with Derailers

    Park Tool Co. » ParkTool Blog » Chainline Concepts
    I don't like either of those answers (too hard! Im a lazy mechanic too). I was hoping for something much easier...... Like "one spacer under the drive side bb cup".
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    Grab yourself a number of spacers in different thicknesses.
    That way you can fine tune.

    Being I use ****mano - I grabbed a few extra spacers so have spacers in 2.5mm 1.8mm and 0.7mm.
    Does make setup tuning a lot easier, but ya still gotta get yer fingernails dirty. However you do get REAL good at pulling the cranks and BB...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    I don't like either of those answers (too hard! Im a lazy mechanic too). I was hoping for something much easier...... Like "one spacer under the drive side bb cup".
    If this is with our build kit, the left Raceface BB cup has no spacer; the right BB cup uses ONE of the 2.5mm BB cup spacers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    I don't like either of those answers (too hard! Im a lazy mechanic too). I was hoping for something much easier...... Like "one spacer under the drive side bb cup".
    Well then, here's your solution: Sport's World of Ely, NV! They'll put your bike together for you while you freshen up your supply of "everything from traps to scents and urines." It's one stop shopping!!!
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    Geez Krob,
    will you grap your crappy cellphone and take some picture please?! :-D
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    I dont think Kent's cellphone has a camera. :-). I have a bunch of these .7mm and 1.8mm shims:
    Universal Cycles -- Bottom Bracket Shims
    Everytime I build a bike it seems to be in between when I shim the BB. A little too loose or a little tight, these allow you to get it just right.

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    Sorry guys. I appreciate all your bike geekery OCD (I mean precise) responses but I like Noel's answer best. And since he puts the "Noel" in Knolly and since I'm not only a lazy mechanic I'm also impatient, I'm going with that.

    Sorry about the lack of photos. I have taken a few but like I said in another thread, there's just no way to do the dayglo justice in photos. I'll try and get a few up as the build progresses today.
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    Are you able to get a frame weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Sorry guys. I appreciate all your bike geekery OCD (I mean precise) responses but I like Noel's answer best. And since he puts the "Noel" in Knolly and since I'm not only a lazy mechanic I'm also impatient, I'm going with that.

    Sorry about the lack of photos. I have taken a few but like I said in another thread, there's just no way to do the dayglo justice in photos. I'll try and get a few up as the build progresses today.
    I gave you the same answer as Noel; but without knowing your components (you were even too lazy to provide those) I had to give the other info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    Are you able to get a frame weight?
    8 lbs 9 oz on park digital scale at Sports World (my famous local hunting/fishing/camping/bike shop).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    "everything from traps to scents and urines." It's one stop shopping!!!
    Exactly! Great guys and great store...... but I don't think I'll trust them with my brand new Chilcotin frame. If someone is going to ruin it putting it together, it's going to be me.

    On second thought maybe I better have them do it. I already chipped the paint on the top of the seat tube trying to get the seat collar on. The very first thing I installed too.D'Oh! Well, glad I got that out of the way........
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    Here's a couple of pics to wet your appetite.
    Oh btw, the dayglo really does glow in the dark. I thought they were just kidding about that. I turned the light out in the family room (yes, the wife's gone this weekend) last night and noticed some light still glowing out of the corner of my eye. Turned to look and it was my Chili! Very cool.

    The other end of the box:
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/19516547@N04/8541651139/" title="176 by kentsaundra, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8518/8541651139_acf763b96f_c.jpg" width="600" height="800" alt="176"></a>

    Glowing in the dark (shoulda shut the flash off)
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/19516547@N04/8542744218/" title="179 by kentsaundra, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8368/8542744218_07dc6071dd_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="179"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/19516547@N04/8541646605/" title="178 by kentsaundra, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8522/8541646605_aa2de5e2a6_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="178"></a>
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    I dont think Kent's cellphone has a camera. :-).
    You've seen T-Rex? I did in fact have an ancient flip phone without a camera up until recently. LOL.
    I inherited an iPhone from my son-in-law a while back so I posted a few of those photos below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    I gave you the same answer as Noel; but without knowing your components (you were even too lazy to provide those) I had to give the other info.
    LOL. Fair enough. (I did say I let Noel pick my components....ie, Knolly standard build kit)
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    Very cool Kent. I also chipped the paint putting on the seat collar and installing the headset. Like you said though, best to get that out of the way. Your bike will never be as pretty as it is now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    Very cool Kent. I also chipped the paint putting on the seat collar and installing the headset. Like you said though, best to get that out of the way. Your bike will never be as pretty as it is now.
    Thanks Rory. Glad to know I'm not the only one. Hope this isn't an indication of paint durability (or lack thereof). At least the seat collar covers it.

    Here's a few more pics of the progressing build. I'm still waiting on the fork, seat, bars, and wheels so can't get too far.

    The tease.
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/19516547@N04/8544001918/" title="SAM_0298 by kentsaundra, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8391/8544001918_8d7afd3d3d_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="SAM_0298"></a>

    Showing a leg
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/19516547@N04/8542900703/" title="SAM_0299 by kentsaundra, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8509/8542900703_3f97f31b99_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="SAM_0299"></a>

    Wagging her head
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/19516547@N04/8543086591/" title="SAM_0303 by kentsaundra, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8511/8543086591_febb6be4f9_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="SAM_0303"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/19516547@N04/8544182424/" title="SAM_0304 by kentsaundra, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8089/8544182424_2f3b271f20_c.jpg" width="600" height="800" alt="SAM_0304"></a>

    Some BB detail
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    Drop outs (which don't actually "drop out" anymore. Very cool.)
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/19516547@N04/8544178282/" title="SAM_0306 by kentsaundra, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8250/8544178282_a407bd2b3a_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="SAM_0306"></a>

    Four x 4
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    For those of you who've mounted the MRP 2x chain guide.... does this look about right?
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/19516547@N04/8544172294/" title="SAM_0309 by kentsaundra, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8243/8544172294_c90ce5f8bf_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="SAM_0309"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/19516547@N04/8544174154/" title="SAM_0308 by kentsaundra, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8531/8544174154_64ddafe57c_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="SAM_0308"></a>
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    Awesome!
    Now that's what I'm talking about :-)
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    Looking good, I'd suggest flipping the DB until you get it dialed. It's a little easier turning the knobs without the downtube in the way.
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    All the right tools, laid out neatly. The sure sign that a master mechanic is at work.

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    Not sure about that TSC, where is his beer?

    You can't build a bike without beer can you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    Not sure about that TSC, where is his beer?

    You can't build a bike without beer can you?
    KRob, man the dayglow does look very sweet!. Keep the pics coming. As for drinking and building it looks like KRob is busy in his spare time getting jacked working those dumb bells on the bench.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    Not sure about that TSC, where is his beer?
    The obvious answer: the crescent wrench is to tap a keg. As I said, "master mechanic"!

    I can't think why you would need any type of wrench to assemble a bike. Modern pedals use a 8mm hex; and a cassette replacement tool is designed to connect with a socket wrench. Other than a keg, what else could it be for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    Not sure about that TSC, where is his beer?

    You can't build a bike without beer can you?
    Maybe that was the problem. I don't drink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
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    Shoulda seen it about five minutes before that shot. There was stuff scattered everywhere.

    PS: You'd laugh if I told you what I used the Crescent wrench for...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleevem1 View Post
    KRob, man the dayglow does look very sweet!. Keep the pics coming. As for drinking and building it looks like KRob is busy in his spare time getting jacked working those dumb bells on the bench.
    Thanks. I cranked up the saturation on those photos to try and get a truer representation of what the frame color looks like but it's even more eye-popping than that in person.

    I knew someone would notice the weights. You don't get biceps like mine without pumping some "heavy" iron.

    (Any one who has seen my arms will know that 5 lbs is about as much as I could curl. Think anorexic 12 year-old girl and you get a pretty good idea. LOL.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Maybe that was the problem. I don't drink.
    Maybe some Root Beer would help...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    Maybe some Root Beer would help...

    Mmmm, root beer.

    Wheels arrived today!
    Can I put a 160mm rotor on the back of the Chili? I know most people would go bigger.... but will it fit the frame?

    I bought a set of XT brakes for my Turner awhile back but never mounted them. Think I'm going to put them on the Chili and sell the Avids.....but have 180/160 rotors. Or would I be better off to switch out the rear rotor for a 180?
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    You're going to love this bike! I think it fits your riding style perfectly. Another Knollfest may be in order once you get this built.

    I'd go 203/180 with the rotors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Mmmm, root beer.

    Wheels arrived today!
    Can I put a 160mm rotor on the back of the Chili? I know most people would go bigger.... but will it fit the frame?

    I bought a set of XT brakes for my Turner awhile back but never mounted them. Think I'm going to put them on the Chili and sell the Avids.....but have 180/160 rotors. Or would I be better off to switch out the rear rotor for a 180?
    I had mine 203/180 but I think 180/160 is more than enough,
    It saves some weight too ;-)
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