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    A WOODIE for my Chili

    Currently running a CCDB coil on the Chili and love it. More recently I upgraded my Lyrik with the Avy cartridge and it is amazing, leading me to realize the CCDB is lacking just a bit in the high speed department. A quick call, to Craig and about 40 minutes later I had this beauty on order. I have had a Chubie and a DHS on Turners in the past, both were excellent, so I can only imagine how this is going to work with the Knolly.

    I tend to subscribe to the "bigger is better" motto, and this certainly is bigger. The reservoir is actually larger than the shock body Plenty of oil in there. I am a bit concerned about fitment, though my initial measurements say it will fit, but I will find out in a few hours. I will try to provide a good comparisons between the shocks, though I think they will be subtle at best.

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    Excellent. Keeps us informed.

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    mamma bear, that is some hot seks.
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    Your the test pilot for the Chili's

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    Just weighed it, 2lbs exactly with a 500lb coil.
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    Cool! Keep us posted!!!

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    Avy shocks are awesome. I was wondering why Craig recommended the Woody over the Chubie for the Chili?

    I have been running a Fox dhx with the Avy tune and I have been very pleased; as with the Avy shocks I have run in the past.

    While you are at it could you give us an update on your Avy Lyrik? I am very tempted but the $400 is hard to swallow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-AIR View Post

    While you are at it could you give us an update on your Avy Lyrik? I am very tempted but the $400 is hard to swallow.

    Thanks.
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    Haha, funny you mention that b/c I emailed him just the other day asking about it, after really enjoying my DHX Avy (thanks again for the recommendation BTW. )

    I rode a friends 888 on his DHR last weekend, and it had the Avy cart in it. OMG, that was the best feeling fork I have EVER felt, hands down. It was ridiculous.
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    Massive! Looking forward to reading your comparisons.

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    Sweet shock!

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    Whoa! A bit if a tight fit. There is actually some space in there. It fits fine in the slack setting which I never run. The useless parking lot test was rather enlightening. I only have a square curb to hit, but it handled it easily as well as the CCDB, probably better. I may have to dial up a few clicks of LSC to get the pedaling performance of the CCDB. The shock does ride higher, probably due to the heavier spring. I can't wait to get out this weekend and tear it up!

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    Damn, that be nice.
    Even having a CCDB, those things do hold my interest. 'bout the only thing that does!!
    Whats the weight difference between the CCDB and Avy.

    Looking forward to the review!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-AIR View Post
    Avy shocks are awesome. I was wondering why Craig recommended the Woody over the Chubie for the Chili?

    I have been running a Fox dhx with the Avy tune and I have been very pleased; as with the Avy shocks I have run in the past.

    While you are at it could you give us an update on your Avy Lyrik? I am very tempted but the $400 is hard to swallow.

    Thanks.
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    Chubie vs. Woodie - The Chili is a rising rate suspension. As such, Craig recommends the Woodie since it is a more linear shock. The Chubie is better suited for bikes that have a falling rate and need the IFP to provide additional ramp/bottoming resistance. The Chili needs no such thing, and the Woodie allows for additional HSC tuning with the larger reservoir.

    The Avy Cartridge - damn good. It is actually one of the reasons I began to explore this option of the Woodie. The cartridge has pointed out a few flaws in the CCDB which I have been unable to dial out. The cartridge has converted what I think is one of the best damped forks on the market, and blows it away. Being open bath, the fork feels much smoother now, isn't divey, and I am near certain you couldn't tell it is an air fork. It is so linear and smooth, yet has a beautiful hydrolic ramp at the end, without being spikey. I don't think you will find an aftermarket fork on the market that will come even close.

    I spoke to Craig about his DHX kits, and he said is is getting Woodie performance out of them. He is really excited about it, and the it has done very well for him. I know a few guys here have it and are blown away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mykel View Post
    Damn, that be nice.
    Even having a CCDB, those things do hold my interest. 'bout the only thing that does!!
    Whats the weight difference between the CCDB and Avy.

    Looking forward to the review!!

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    Yeah, Avy is the only shock I think that is a step above the CCDB. Having the Avy cartridge, I couldn't get past the idea of having a fully Avy'd bike The Avy weighs 2lbs exactly with coil and hardware. Not sure what the CCDB weighs, but it can't be much more or less. I think the Avy coil is actually lighter. Seems like the CCDB has a tighter coil.
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    You are going to LOVE the Avalanche Woodie
    I currently have an Avalanche DHS shock on my V-Tach along with an Avalanche DHF-8MT fork... I also have an Avy cartridge in my Totem thats on my Delirium T that is soon going to have Craigs valving in the RC4 shock...

    I tell all my friends that as much as I like the fork, I'm even more impressed with Craigs shock

    and I mean that too!!!!! not only are they incredibly plush, but they are soooo durable..Just look at the difference in the shaft diameter on the two shocks in the pic above..

    My V-tach came with a CCDB and the first thing I did was put the DHS shock on it

    my friends and I have been running Avalanche forks and shocks for over ten years !!!
    hitting big drops every week !!!!
    I can honestly tell you that none of us has ever had a problem not even a leaking seal
    Avalanche products are insanely reliable !!!!!

    thanks Craig and i'll be talking to you soon about getting my RC4 done

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    Simple fix to the tight issue above...I just moved the cable to the outside of the cable stop. Simple and no modifications

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    nice

    can't wait to read your review myself...

    goodluck with it and nice bike

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    Holy sheeeeiittt that is a tight fit!!!
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    What about turning the shock upside down? Depending on the pieces it may provide a bit more room.

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    Someone asked earlier, my backup (well backup until I sell it) CCDB coil with a 500 lb steel spring and the Chili mounting hardware is 889 grams.
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    Really enjoy your write ups and looking forward to your next review. Interested to hear how the front now jives with the back.

    I had the SSD mod done to a DHX Air. I'm pretty damn impressed, the only other shock I can compere it to is the ELKA that I had my One before hand. Although sometimes I find it to be a little progressive, the SSD DHX continues to remain very consistent, predictable and lively. At this stage I cant see myself switching back to the Elka anytime soon.

    Man, if Craig was to do a cartridge for Marz's 55's I'd happily drop the $$$ tomorrow.

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    Avy's

    Craig really knows his sh*t when it comes to suspension.....and he'll talk to you about it for hours. I have had the Woodie on my bikes since my Delirium T. It really outperforms all of the other shocks for the Knolly suspension. As you described, it works well with the progressiveness of the Knollys. I had a Canfiled Jedi and the shock that came with it just didn't work. I talked to some people and they recommended the Woodie, so I spent a few hours talking to Craig and he set me up with the Woodie. It transformed the bike and I was sold. Tempted to get the Avy cartridge for the 40, but I already love that fork. Got the "Woodie" on my Podium and Delirium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    Having the Avy cartridge, I couldn't get past the idea of having a fully Avy'd bike
    Just sent my DHX 5.0 for the SSD AVY treatment and that was one of my concerns. Once the shock is working really well..... am I going to be disappointed in the 66RC3ti up front..... thus necessitating the AVY cartridge to "balance things out"?

    Darn you, Craig!
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    Avy is the way to go for sure

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    Geez, I am way behind,
    I havent get my Chili yet and you guys are already talking upgrades,

    Nice setup Tisser
    Can't wait for your ride report
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    tiSS'er. I knew you would like the avy cart in your lyrik; mine blows me away every ride. It's an avy product; it has to be great! It's on my el guapo, which I hope by next spring will host an woodie as well.
    Tomorrow I receive a new chubbie for my ancient 5 spot, and I'm so pumped! Enjoy your avy equipped bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Just sent my DHX 5.0 for the SSD AVY treatment and that was one of my concerns. Once the shock is working really well..... am I going to be disappointed in the 66RC3ti up front..... thus necessitating the AVY cartridge to "balance things out"?

    Darn you, Craig!
    Sorry dude, you know what they say..."when you go Avy, you never go back"...errr, something like that.

    Seriously, I have never been happier with a fork than I am now. Hoping the Woodie treats me the same...Saturday is approaching
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    tiSS'er. I knew you would like the avy cart in your lyrik; mine blows me away every ride. It's an avy product; it has to be great! It's on my el guapo, which I hope by next spring will host an woodie as well.
    Tomorrow I receive a new chubbie for my ancient 5 spot, and I'm so pumped! Enjoy your avy equipped bike!
    I was wondering when you were going to chime in. I really like the new CCDB, but it still has some of the characteristics of old versio with respect to the HSC. I really wasn't impressed with the shock on the RFX, but it works very well on the Chili. My only concern with the Woodie at this time is the LSC, and how it smooths out the small stuff. The CCDB is amazing in this capacity.
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    I can't keep a straight face while reading this thread. Here's short compilation of my favorite lines:

    "A WOODIE for my Chili"... "I tend to subscribe to the "bigger is better" motto, and this certainly is bigger."

    "mamma bear, that is some hot seks."

    "Massive! Looking forward to reading your comparisons."

    "It is actually one of the reasons I began to explore this option of the Woodie."

    "...those things do hold my interest. 'bout the only thing that does!!"

    "I tell all my friends that as much as I like the fork, I'm even more impressed with Craigs shock and I mean that too!!!!! not only are they incredibly plush, but they are soooo durable..Just look at the difference in the shaft diameter on the two shocks in the pic above..:

    "Holy sheeeeiittt that is a tight fit!!!"

    "...the only other shock I can compere it to is the ELKA that I had my One before hand."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Someone asked earlier, my backup (well backup until I sell it) CCDB coil with a 500 lb steel spring and the Chili mounting hardware is 889 grams.
    2 lbs = 907 grams.

    889 grams = 1.96 lbs.
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    Also looking forward for more comments about Woodie/ Chubie. Chatted with Craig last winter when planning to pick up Chubie for Chili, but then decided to held my horses...
    I was not sure about fitting in M-sized frame and realized that I cannot use any of my springs because of bigger ID those shocks requires .

    My temporary solution was then get tuned DB Coil, wanted less HSC and higher speed rebounds and I got those. In fact, when my DB Air and DB Coil are in my preferred adjustments, I cannot realize which one is there in use.

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    Man, this thread is really making me want to buy that Avy cart for my Lyrik with money I absolutely do not have.

    I want my front end to feel like my back end now.
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    Hi tiss'er

    Please could you tell me if your Lyric is coil or air.

    Would the Woodie fit in the other way around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Please could you tell me if your Lyric is coil or air.

    Would the Woodie fit in the other way around?
    Are you going to forgo your Deville and CCDB?
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    The Lyric/Avi might be used as an insurance policy against something going wrong with the BOS, now that R53 are not handling BOS in the UK anymore. I can get a cartridge in 3 days and fit it to a used Lyric quicker than it would take BOS in France to turn things around.....up to 3 months I've heard. Anyhow, it might be better? I'm interested to find out.

    I intend comparing the DBair with the BOS Stoy. I need to spend some time on the DBair before I make the switch to the Stoy. I'm very curious about how the Woodie compares.

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    reach around?

    here is another one for you TSC

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    Anyone using one of these shocks on their Podium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by meeeeep View Post
    Anyone using one of these shocks on their Podium?
    I'm not sure, but soon as my Podium shows up and I get a bit of down time on it (read as: winter), the RC4 is going to Craig. That's the whole reason I ordered it with that shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Man, this thread is really making me want to buy that Avy cart for my Lyrik with money I absolutely do not have.

    I want my front end to feel like my back end now.
    Maybe we can get a group deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Hi tiss'er

    Please could you tell me if your Lyric is coil or air.

    Would the Woodie fit in the other way around?
    I believe tiSS'er was on an air, looking to go coil 170mm, but don't know if he did that.
    I have the avy cart in a 160mm u-turn coil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    I was wondering when you were going to chime in. I really like the new CCDB, but it still has some of the characteristics of old versio with respect to the HSC. I really wasn't impressed with the shock on the RFX, but it works very well on the Chili. My only concern with the Woodie at this time is the LSC, and how it smooths out the small stuff. The CCDB is amazing in this capacity.
    Somewhat off-topic; I just received my chubbie for the 5 spot and bolted it on, did the ride around the property thing [parking lot test] and GOD does it feel great! Like that " coming home feeling". Avalanche suspension is the nectar of the Gods,. I can't wait untill I can afford to buy more Avalanche [ like skip buying essential things for the house, food, electric bills etc.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Hi tiss'er

    Please could you tell me if your Lyric is coil or air.

    Would the Woodie fit in the other way around?
    Solo Air. The shock won't fit upside down.
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    Today was my first ride on the Woodie, so I thought I would post some initial thoughts. For the ride, we headed up National, which is a bit of a tech climb, not too crazy, and headed down Viejo, which is a slower, techy, chunky ride, which has been made worse (or better in our case ) by the recent rains.

    I only made one adjustment today, I added 1 click of rebound. I have learned it is best to ride the setup that Craig sends, because usually it is pretty close to what you are looking for. The climbing and low speed climbing was excellent. The shock is not quite as supple as the CCDB, likely due to the 500lb spring (450LB on the CCDB). But, it was hardly enough to notice a difference. For the few tech climb moves, I had no issue with traction. I actually found that I was not even noticing what the shock was doing, a pretty good thing in my book. The shock doesn't "squat" as much as the CCDB, again, partially due to the spring difference, but you can fee the LSC doing its thing here. The bike sat up just a bit higher, keeping the front even more planted. The bike felt like it was pedaling a bit better as well.

    When we hit the downs, the shock acted as expected, with a few issues which need to be tuned out. For nearly all of the descent, the shock tore it up. I did have a few high speed hits in which the shock felt a bit harsh. This is a bit difficult to diagnose, as the trails were pretty tore up and we don't ride Viejo as frequently as we should. So I can't say how the CCDB would handled the hits. Again, for most of the ride, the rear end disappeared beneath me, and I never noticed it going about its job. I did seem to carry a bunch more speed than usual.

    Tomorrows ride will be a very telling ride. This is a ride that I have done a ton during the summer, so I am very familiar with how the bike rides. The climb is nothing but tech, with extended sections of steps. The CCDB would just destroy this climb, I am hoping for the same from the Avy. The decent is a screamer, and the CCDB did pretty well here as well. I am expecting the Avy to do even better.

    I have made a few changes to the shock for tomorrows ride. I removed 1 click of LSC to get just a bit more supple ride on the small stuff, and I added 1/4 turn of HSC for the harsher hits. Craig sent the shock with the near minimum HSC.

    I will report back tomorrow, hopefully with a big 'ol smile on my face!
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    Another ride in the books, and a good one at that.

    The climb up Kiwanis is a good tech climb with many, many steps. The Woodie climbed better than expected. The LSC really works well, and the bike has a less mushy feel than the CCDB. The square hits were smoothed nicely and traction was excellent.

    The descent down Holbert has become a speed challenge for me with the Chili. The bike can easily handle the rocky, ledgy, granite filled trails. For me it is about hitting my line consistently, and each time just a bit faster. The Woodie did a nice job today, but it is till not where I want it. The shock still has a slight harshness to it. This is most likely due to the low HSC setting. I did add 1/8th of a turn after the ride, as well as I removed 1 more click of LSC to make the shock just a bit more active. The change in the performance from yesterday to today was amazing with just one less click of LSC and 1/4 turn more HSC.

    The fork and shock have a very similar feel, which is something I was looking for. With the recent rains, the trails are really tore up, so a completely fair comparison on today's ride was a bit impossible. After only 2 rides, I still have a lot of tuning to do. At this point, I would still give the overall nod to the CCDB, but i expect that will change with time, I can feel the potential of the Woodie.

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    tiSS'er for what's it's worth; the last two chubbies I owned [ about 3-4 years ago] had about a 6 hour break in time to them. Other chubbie owners noticed the same thing. I had my inagural ride today, and I anticipate the same. As much as I want to do a whole lot of tuning changes, I am going to hold off, let the shock break in, and let me get used to the shock. It's my experience that with any new shock, there are anticipations regarding what it should feel like, and you still have the hangover regarding what your previous shock felt like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    tiSS'er for what's it's worth; the last two chubbies I owned [ about 3-4 years ago] had about a 6 hour break in time to them. Other chubbie owners noticed the same thing. I had my inagural ride today, and I anticipate the same. As much as I want to do a whole lot of tuning changes, I am going to hold off, let the shock break in, and let me get used to the shock. It's my experience that with any new shock, there are anticipations regarding what it should feel like, and you still have the hangover regarding what your previous shock felt like.
    Agreed. I still have at least a month before I get this where I want it. I know this shock is going to be killer, I can feel it.
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    Damn...what have i just done!

    tiSS'er opened a can of worms -

    the 'hold out' has ended. This is going to be interesting.
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    fork or shock?

    or both?
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    I have been reading on the forum for some time now about all the options for rear suspension specifically. It has been interesting to hear how approachable and helpful Craig has been, so this morning i called him for a chat. He is totally mellow, helpful and willing to answer questions (many of them dumb no doubt), that i felt totally confident. At no time did he encourage or persuade me to buy one of his shocks, but actually said the performance from the DHX (coil) avy's is pretty good.

    In the end I felt like it was an investment that would hold its value and pulled the trigger on a Woodie. Craig mentioned cartridges for the Fox 36's are in the pipe line..but for now i will stick with the float which has done me good...although, i am prepared to soon be underwhelmed.

    I have to admit that it has been fairly obvious to me as the summer advanced and the trails dryed out and became faster that the RP23 wasnt cutting it. I had been running a 2.35 Minion (with a tube) all winter (since getting the Chilly in October) and after shimming the RP23, i had no real issues and the bike felt great. However, now the trails are really fast and the last couple rides I have ended with multiple pinch flats (@42+ psi) and the broken axle. These are fairly brutal trails (rocky / steep / old school ) that will eat equipment for breakfast. I am running a DH rim & tire...which really sucks to climb 4500 feet on an average weekday ride. I guess i will lose about a pound of rubber and gain the same in steel.

    While it might be unfair to blame 100% of my issues on the shock, i have to consider that the RP23 was never intended to be ridden how i have been riding it.

    I am looking fwd to the experience.
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    only issue i have with the true avalanche shocks over the modded ones are it's hard to find a ti spring with the correct inner diameter for their shocks. much easier to find the 1.43" diameter ti springs to fit the fox. good to hear they perform almost as well as vay's own

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