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    Who has had good luck with Flow Exs?

    I hate these rims. Never before have I ever had a burp or blow off in all of my years running tubeless. In the few months I have had these, I have had 4 blow offs and today was the most severe. I was going through a corner, slightly bermed and nothing but sand. The tire blew completely off the rim...I mean completely. Both beads and the tire were completely removed from the rim. The bead was so loose that I was able to mount the tire with a tube effortlessly with only one hand.

    Thinking the issue is with the tire and not the rim, I chose to mount up a Specialized 2bliss tire. Same thing. I was able to install the tire with no effort. I understand that the bead seat is much smaller on these rims, but I believe this to be the problem. There is insufficient bead hook on these rims to hold the tires. I would expect the bead seat to be much tighter if you are not going to rely on the bead hook.

    Before I go looking to replace these rims with some WTB I25s with a UST bead hook, who has had success with these rims, and with what tires?
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    fwiw. I've not experienced any problems. One season only, front only and it has only had Schwalbe tires on so far. (HR2 is in the queue for next season. I'm in fatbike mode now)
    about 75% of my riding is slower technical trail so not much high speed cornering there but the other 25% has been a mix of light DH, park, higher speeds so the wheel has seen some side loading and no issues. I've actually been quite happy with it so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kark View Post
    fwiw. I've not experienced any problems. One season only, front only and it has only had Schwalbe tires on so far. (HR2 is in the queue for next season. I'm in fatbike mode now)
    about 75% of my riding is slower technical trail so not much high speed cornering there but the other 25% has been a mix of light DH, park, higher speeds so the wheel has seen some side loading and no issues. I've actually been quite happy with it so far.
    The Specialized 2Bliss tire I mounted up earlier is holding air exceptionally well with no sealant. This leads me to believe the bead must be seated well and is tight. Maybe I need to go back to some trusty UST tires.
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    Ive had flows on my 5" travel 29r for 5 yrs or so.
    no issues tearing tires off rims
    but I have never ridden as aggressive as I do on my Knollys as I get overall wheel flex when stuffing berms
    I will say I was quite happy with how they held up during my time in the SW desert

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    I hate these rims. Never before have I ever had a burp or blow off in all of my years running tubeless. In the few months I have had these, I have had 4 blow offs and today was the most severe. I was going through a corner, slightly bermed and nothing but sand. The tire blew completely off the rim...I mean completely. Both beads and the tire were completely removed from the rim. The bead was so loose that I was able to mount the tire with a tube effortlessly with only one hand.

    Thinking the issue is with the tire and not the rim, I chose to mount up a Specialized 2bliss tire. Same thing. I was able to install the tire with no effort. I understand that the bead seat is much smaller on these rims, but I believe this to be the problem. There is insufficient bead hook on these rims to hold the tires. I would expect the bead seat to be much tighter if you are not going to rely on the bead hook.

    Before I go looking to replace these rims with some WTB I25s with a UST bead hook, who has had success with these rims, and with what tires?
    I have good luck with these rims and usually get a rim out of a year/season of hard riding for rear, longer up front if I don't case or stack a jump (killed a brand new front rim that was <1 week old from blowing tire off of rim by hitting double with way too much speed at bad angle from landing on side hard enough to taco rim, bend handle bars and dent body). With this said, I like these for very solid, affordable and fairly strong rims that can take a beating for their weight and doesn't kill the wallet to replace as needed. The feel like the "XT" of rims to me (for those of us who can't afford plastic rims ). BUT, they DON'T HOLD EVERY TIRE ON as advertised. I have had poor luck with any tire that isn't specifically rated as tubeless ready or UST regardless of how thick or stout the tires are. For instance, I have blown off a DHF 2.5 wire, Ardent EXO, Schwalbe Muddy Mary (all with adequate sealant and PSI). I even managed to have blown off the Ardent with a tube installed after it went off the rim with tubeless/sealant prior (that was a first). I do however have no probs at all running Spesh 2bliss tires (Butcher Controls are my go to front) and great success with Maxxis TLR bead, such as DHR II TLR. So, if you keep this in mind instead of thinking you can ran practically any tire tubeless regardless of rating like Stan's says, then you should be fine. Oh, even though UST mounts well and can almost get away running without sealant, I have torn all UST tires at the bead (Ardent UST, Spesh UST) and were unable to run tubeless again due to location of tear. Really impressed with Maxxis' new TLR bead so far.
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    I've been running one on the front since May with no issues. Usually using a DHF 2.5 EXO but also a 2.3 DHR2 EXO TR and a HR2 EXO for the past 4 or 5 rides.

    I just got a digi pressure gauge, but have mainly been going off of feel since my pump gauge is worthless. I think i was probably running 28-30 avg over the course of the season.

    Lots of racing and really aggro riding on the DHF with no issues at all in everything from full rocky alpine to bermy aspens to rocky desert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowtron View Post
    I've been running one on the front since May with no issues. Usually using a DHF 2.5 EXO but also a 2.3 DHR2 EXO TR and a HR2 EXO for the past 4 or 5 rides.

    I just got a digi pressure gauge, but have mainly been going off of feel since my pump gauge is worthless. I think i was probably running 28-30 avg over the course of the season.

    Lots of racing and really aggro riding on the DHF with no issues at all in everything from full rocky alpine to bermy aspens to rocky desert.
    I wouldn't trust or run the non-TR Maxxis tires at all on FLOW EX. I have blown Maxxis EXO's off the front and back (more likely back and probably why you haven't blown your front yet, but all in due time especially if you are jumping). I usually run 31-33psi front, 35-37 psi rear and still managed to blow the tires off the rim. Fortunately, was never badly hurt, but did damage a nearly brand new front wheel, and damaged handlebars (Chromag OSX) and rattled my teeth hard. Like I said, with TR or UST only, the rims are solid (with SG spokes too!)
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    OP, put another layer of tape on the rim.

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    I rode the standard Flow's for about 5 years with minimal problems. I've been on the EX version for about 6 months with no problems at all. That being said, I think you are definitely on the right track regarding how to judge proper tire/rim mating capabilities. In other words, if you can install the tire without a lever, or it mounts VERY easily with a lever, you will probably have burping issues. If you are having this issue with LOTS of different tires, then perhaps your rim diameter is out of spec? Seems unlikely that this issue would be caused by the bead hook/height, assuming the diameter of the rim is correct.

    Or perhaps your hoop isn't round? Maybe try rolling the wheel across your garage floor with no tire and see how it looks?
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    What are you using for Rim Tape? If you use the Stan's rim tape, they recommend 25mm width for both the Arch EX and the Flow EX. Yet the internal width of the Flow is 4.5mm wider, wtf?. I gave up using their Yellow tape a while ago as I found the tires didnt really seem to fit well on the Flows with the Yellow tape. I have switched to Gorilla tape sized so that it covers the full width of the rim surface when pulled tightly onto the rim. When I do this, tires that didnt fit all that well seem to fit more snug on the rim. I actually changed my front tire last night and have a very difficult time getting the old tire to pop off the bead. Might be worth a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBMarkWa View Post
    What are you using for Rim Tape? If you use the Stan's rim tape, they recommend 25mm width for both the Arch EX and the Flow EX. Yet the internal width of the Flow is 4.5mm wider, wtf?. I gave up using their Yellow tape a while ago as I found the tires didnt really seem to fit well on the Flows with the Yellow tape. I have switched to Gorilla tape sized so that it covers the full width of the rim surface when pulled tightly onto the rim. When I do this, tires that didnt fit all that well seem to fit more snug on the rim. I actually changed my front tire last night and have a very difficult time getting the old tire to pop off the bead. Might be worth a shot.
    Thanks. I may have to try that. I do notice the yellow tape is about 2mm short on each side. I will try the gorilla 1" tape and see if that helps, if not, may have to try out some USTs
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    Never owned flows....but if dusty is right, I can recommend DT Swiss rims (Ex500 Fr600), they are the hardest rims ive ever mounted a tyre on (that's every tyre i've tried on them ~7) ....ive broken many many tyre levers and scratched them to bits with screwdrivers trying to get rubber on and off them ...never tried tubeless on them but cant see how it could fail reading this thread...

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    I have been on a set of EX's for the past 6 weeks and have had no problems at all. Big Betty's mounted up easily but held on tight. I put on some Chunky Monkey's next and same story. No tire levers and no burping. I am about 200 lbs and run 24-27 rear and 23-25 front. The CM seem are better at lower pressures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cfrench View Post
    Never owned flows....but if dusty is right, I can recommend DT Swiss rims (Ex500 Fr600), they are the hardest rims ive ever mounted a tyre on (that's every tyre i've tried on them ~7) ....ive broken many many tyre levers and scratched them to bits with screwdrivers trying to get rubber on and off them ...never tried tubeless on them but cant see how it could fail reading this thread...
    I haven't had a ton of trouble getting tires on my DT Swiss EX500 rims but they don't pop on easy without levers for sure. I use 1" gorilla tape, Stans, and Chunky Monkeys tubeless without any blow offs with 8 months of rocky, droppy, chunky, aggressive riding.

    I do get little mini burbs occasionally in rough terrain (I see where Stans has seaped out at the bead a bit when I'm finished riding but no significant air loss.)

    Yeah, I'd try a layer (or two) of 1" Gorilla tape before giving up on the Flow EX. Lots of people use them and I don't hear many reports of blow offs.
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    I run an EX up front. So far Schwalbe HD's and Bontrager XR4 have been hassle free set up tubeless. I could not get a 2.4 maxxis HRII to seat on the rim w/o blowing off though. I think the rims are sensitive certain brands or models of tires.

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    I rode DT Swiss EX500s on my Chilcotin all season using the 2.35 Maxpro minions (tubed) that came stock with the build kit. Never had any issues until the very last ride of the season when I pinch flatted them twice. I can confirm that they are some of the most difficult rims I have ever tried to get tires on/off of. I broke 3 tire irons (plastic ones - I won't use metal and/or screwdrivers because it chews the hell out of the rim) the first time getting the tire off - the second time wasn't as bad but still bloody tight. Made me feel like a noob, like I had never changed a tire before.

    Overall I do really like the wheels though and I'm planning on going tubeless with them this winter, (Chunky Monkey here I come) so that tight fit should be an advantage. I'll just have to make sure I stock up on tire levers before I try to make the change...

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    Been running Flow Exs for over a year now and have had absolutely zero burps or problems. I've run Racing ralph 2.25s, Nobby Nic 2.35s, and Hans Dampf 2.35s, all the Snakeskin versions. At times I've let the pressure get low, but still no issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    I haven't had a ton of trouble getting tires on my DT Swiss EX500 rims but they don't pop on easy without levers for sure. I use 1" gorilla tape, Stans, and Chunky Monkeys tubeless without any blow offs with 8 months of rocky, droppy, chunky, aggressive riding.

    I do get little mini burbs occasionally in rough terrain (I see where Stans has seaped out at the bead a bit when I'm finished riding but no significant air loss.)

    Yeah, I'd try a layer (or two) of 1" Gorilla tape before giving up on the Flow EX. Lots of people use them and I don't hear many reports of blow offs.
    I have just ordered up a set of WTB I25s which have a UST bead. I will throw some tape on the Flows first to see how the tires mount up. I agree that I have never had issues where the tires were a tight fit. Building up the bead seat with tape might be a good option. If it works, I can always send the I25s back.

    Good to hear that others are no having the same issues with the CMs that I am having. I had no issues when running them on 819s, and there are 3 other guys running CMs in my group who have not had any issues, which leads me to believe the issue is the rim.
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    I've been running the older Flow's on 2 bikes for about 3 seasons now. I just restarted tubeless last year and I did have problems with the Ardent's 2.25 and 2.4's blowing off my rims. I had good luck with the HR2's in 2.4. I ran them as low as 20 and even took them lift riding a few times. My bud has the EX's and he's had problems with the HR2's blowing off the rims.
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    I almost wish I would have bought a few spare pairs of the original Flows when they were on closeout for $50 each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    I almost wish I would have bought a few spare pairs of the original Flows when they were on closeout for $50 each.
    It seems that most issues are related to the new BST on the EX models. I never had issues with my previous Flows. I did read that people were having these issues with the EXs before I bought them, but figured they just weren't setting them up correctly.

    I am getting great feedback on the WTB rims, and at $55 per from Arts is hard to beat.
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    I have had a couple of burps with the original Flows and Schwalbe NN and HD. Met a guy on the trail today with 29 Easton Havens and Hans Dampf which had just burped. He runs 28 psi, was it nosy to ask?
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    OK, when I got home the Specialized tire was still inflated and lost maybe 2psi. Pretty good. I pulled the tire off, ran 1 wrap of Gorilla tape and mounted the 2Bliss tire back up. This time it was pretty difficult to get on, just as you would expect. I started to feel pretty good about this...until I inflated the tire. At about 28psi....BOOM! Tire blew right off the rim. Keep in mind that this is a tubeless beaded tire, that was nice and tight. Looking at the rim, the sidewall is so short, and the bead hook is all but non-existent, that the extra height of the tape prevents the bead hook from securely grabbing the bead and tucking it in nice and tight. At least that is my opinion.

    I guess my tire selection just won't work well with these rims. The tubeless ready stuff should work fine, with the correct tape setup. I really wish I could find a Schwalbe setup that I liked and was durable enough. I really like the HD casing and tubeless setup, just hated everything else about the tire. Maybe Maxxis will get their sh!t together and make the DHF 2.5 EXO tubeless.

    I actually don't mind the Specialized tubeless tires (Purgatory), reasonably sized, durable and a good weight. They just don't have the rubber compounds figured out like Maxxis or Continental.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    OK, when I got home the Specialized tire was still inflated and lost maybe 2psi. Pretty good. I pulled the tire off, ran 1 wrap of Gorilla tape and mounted the 2Bliss tire back up. This time it was pretty difficult to get on, just as you would expect. I started to feel pretty good about this...until I inflated the tire. At about 28psi....BOOM! Tire blew right off the rim. Keep in mind that this is a tubeless beaded tire, that was nice and tight. Looking at the rim, the sidewall is so short, and the bead hook is all but non-existent, that the extra height of the tape prevents the bead hook from securely grabbing the bead and tucking it in nice and tight. At least that is my opinion.

    I guess my tire selection just won't work well with these rims. The tubeless ready stuff should work fine, with the correct tape setup. I really wish I could find a Schwalbe setup that I liked and was durable enough. I really like the HD casing and tubeless setup, just hated everything else about the tire. Maybe Maxxis will get their sh!t together and make the DHF 2.5 EXO tubeless.

    I actually don't mind the Specialized tubeless tires (Purgatory), reasonably sized, durable and a good weight. They just don't have the rubber compounds figured out like Maxxis or Continental.
    Flow EX rim, one layer of 25mm yellow tape, Tubeless ready tire with sealant and that is all you need, period! DHF is in TR now, but as 2.3 (same size as old 2.5's) and more like a 2.4 in true size. My 2.3 DHR II TR is huge as rear tire. If want Schwalbe, just run the TLR casings and your good. Yes, HD's are overated and poor for cornering due to too round and baloonish profile. Floating over rocks is fine, but that is about it.
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    I debated between the CM (cheap) and the TR DHF2.3 (expensive). Then I took a chance and went with a Rock'r Reinforced 2.4 ($50). Pink bike loved them. Tires should be here this weekend. 900g and true 2.4 width (60/559). The Rock'r 2 will be out this Spring, so may go back to Michelin despite the lame names. Other tires I considered were the HR2, but reviewed mentioned knobs folding over. And the Conti Trail King, and Wild Gripper 2. But the Rock'r seemed most appropriate and looks to be a much better wet conditions tire than a CM, which doesnt shed mud well.

    BTW, I use Orange seal now on all my tires. I holds much better/stronger than Stans. I paint the bead on the tire and the groove on the rim. No word on puncture proofing. But it has nano, so it must be the best thing evar!1!!11!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    Flow EX rim, one layer of 25mm yellow tape, Tubeless ready tire with sealant and that is all you need, period! DHF is in TR now, but as 2.3 (same size as old 2.5's) and more like a 2.4 in true size. My 2.3 DHR II TR is huge as rear tire. If want Schwalbe, just run the TLR casings and your good. Yes, HD's are overated and poor for cornering due to too round and baloonish profile. Floating over rocks is fine, but that is about it.
    Most measurements I have seen for the DHR II is closer to 2.25". The DHF 2.3 is closer to a 2.4? Where did you get the DHF TR?
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    Universal Cycles -- Maxxis Minion DHF DC/EXO Tubeless Ready Tire

    looks to be a winner for enduro.

    Only reason I didn't get it was I was worried about the size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought View Post
    Universal Cycles -- Maxxis Minion DHF DC/EXO Tubeless Ready Tire

    looks to be a winner for enduro.

    Only reason I didn't get it was I was worried about the size.
    $50 bucks really isn't that bad to be honest, and UC has their 10% and 15% off coupons as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought View Post

    looks to be a winner for enduro.
    don't mean to be a PITA but which enduro (US Enduros?) ...depends on location & terrain / ground composition / weather conditions. Bikes of the Enduro World Series - Finale Ligure, Italy - Pinkbike 24 Bikes of the Enduro World Series - Pinkbike ...they all run different tyres...different tyres on different occasions...lots of variety...but one thing ive noticed is that, up front, HR2s seem to be much more popular than DHFs..

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    Most measurements I have seen for the DHR II is closer to 2.25". The DHF 2.3 is closer to a 2.4? Where did you get the DHF TR?
    Yes, Universal Cycles (local for me). All new Maxxis TR tires are at least true to size, unlike DHF/HR 2.5's of old. The 2.3 DHR II is a really big 2.3 (easily an acutal 2.4), especially as tubeless compared to tube installed and bigger than my 2.3 Butcher up front. That is my only beef with them, is that they are much bigger than claimed and a little bigger than my front tire . Outside of that, they are the only tire I haven't had issues with or even torn, whereas I eventually tore everything else at the bead, deeeming it not tubeless ready anymore due to location of tear regardless if they were a UST, 2bliss or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    Yes, Universal Cycles (local for me). All new Maxxis TR tires are at least true to size, unlike DHF/HR 2.5's of old. The 2.3 DHR II is a really big 2.3 (easily an acutal 2.4), especially as tubeless compared to tube installed and bigger than my 2.3 Butcher up front. That is my only beef with them, is that they are much bigger than claimed and a little bigger than my front tire . Outside of that, they are the only tire I haven't had issues with or even torn, whereas I eventually tore everything else at the bead, deeeming it not tubeless ready anymore due to location of tear regardless if they were a UST, 2bliss or not.
    How is the fit on the Flow Ex? Is it nice and tight or is it a looser fit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    How is the fit on the Flow Ex? Is it nice and tight or is it a looser fit?
    Yes great fit no issues with <2 scoops of sealant, nor have had the bead fit loose on rim. It's just that if the bead of tire and hook of rim are not totally compatible (non TLR, UST tires of any brand), tire will eventually blow off with enough force regardless of how loose or tight the fit is. The downside of the BST rim design I think.
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    tiSS'er,
    When you put the tape on the rim, use a tube and an older tire over night to set the tape. I did this with my older Flow (Stan's tape), which I have blown off several times and have the scar to prove it and with my newer Flow EX (gorilla tape), that have not had any issues with better success.
    On my older Flow's, I usually use a tube with the front but right now I am having success without one. On the Flow EX, which are on my DH bike, I have run several Maxxis tires this season without issues.

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    Forgot to ask, anyone know if they are making a Highroller II version of this? Didn't see one listed at Universal...but I see the 29" variety, so maybe the 26" version isn't out yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Forgot to ask, anyone know if they are making a Highroller II version of this? Didn't see one listed at Universal...but I see the 29" variety, so maybe the 26" version isn't out yet.
    Yes, Artcyclery has them and only $36.99 for dual compound TR version, $10 more for 3C. I am going to pick on up myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rugbyred View Post
    tiSS'er,
    When you put the tape on the rim, use a tube and an older tire over night to set the tape. I did this with my older Flow (Stan's tape), which I have blown off several times and have the scar to prove it and with my newer Flow EX (gorilla tape), that have not had any issues with better success.
    On my older Flow's, I usually use a tube with the front but right now I am having success without one. On the Flow EX, which are on my DH bike, I have run several Maxxis tires this season without issues.

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    Thanks. When I originally built the wheels I put a tube in to press the tape. Worked very well. I have a set of WTB I25s arriving tomorrow which I will build up. I feel more comfortable with a larger, more solid UST bead on the rim. I see some Maxxis DHF TRs in my future as well. I'm sure they work well with the Flows, but the WTBs will likely give me more flexibility with tires. I have never had issues with the Mavic UST rims, with either regular or UST tires. I expect the same from the WTBs.
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    You should not experience the same hassle with the wtb rims that you've had with the flows. That was my experience. Before I had those rims I ran 819s and 823s which were so easy to set up and bullet proof but darn heavy. I love my i23s but still hope mavic will lighten their rims and release something comparable in weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    Yes, Artcyclery has them and only $36.99 for dual compound TR version, $10 more for 3C. I am going to pick on up myself.
    Anybody know the difference between Maxxterra 3C and Dual compound? It says Maxxterra is their all mountain tread compound. can't find much on the Dual compound.

    I've been running the HR2 TR 3C for a couple weeks and really like it. I have always been a fan of the original HR and thought I would give the new one a try. So far so good.

    I'm thinking of throwing the the HR2 on the back and getting a DHF TR for the front.

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    I think EXs may not work well only on Knollies…

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    How is the 3C compounds holding up in the rear versus the Dual? I'm a bit leary of the lifespan of a 3C lasting in the rear, after my experience of running a 3C at Whistler. After only 3 days of riding, it's got alot of wear on it.

    Thinking maybe 3C in the front and Dual in the rear is the way to go?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    How is the 3C compounds holding up in the rear versus the Dual? I'm a bit leary of the lifespan of a 3C lasting in the rear, after my experience of running a 3C at Whistler. After only 3 days of riding, it's got alot of wear on it.

    Thinking maybe 3C in the front and Dual in the rear is the way to go?
    I would probably just go dual front/back and swap them out as needed. My DHR II dual tread was gone in about 4 months in rear with mostly all dirt singletrack riding.
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    I built up the I25s tonight, very nice rims. They build easy and true, the 4D drilling is a nice feature. The rims also have a very subtle bead hook on the backside of the bead which should help prevent the bead form collapsing inward minimizing the risk of burping. This will be a very secure setup with the TR tire.

    The CMs mounted up very nicely, the tires were a bit tighter on the rims, and they inflated easier than the Flows. Now to find out if they hold the tire and how they hold true.
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    Have you had any issues figuring out the lacing pattern with the 4D drilling? I built up an i23 and a few of the spokes don't line up with how the nipple wants to sit in the rim. I'm new to wheel building so its probably a dumb mistake.
    I even called WTB to ask how to lace them per the drilling and they said the only thing that matters is left and right side holes. But clearly the holes also have trailing and leading spoke direction also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch6013 View Post
    Have you had any issues figuring out the lacing pattern with the 4D drilling? I built up an i23 and a few of the spokes don't line up with how the nipple wants to sit in the rim. I'm new to wheel building so its probably a dumb mistake.
    Nope, everything lines up perfectly. Have you read Roger Musson's book? Best wheel building book I have found, makes lacing very simple. I have built 3 wheelsets using his techniques and all have turned out excellent.

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    I'll check out that book next time. I just watched a few youtube vids to figure out the lacing. I've done a few standard rims like the flow ex and no issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch6013 View Post
    I'll check out that book next time. I just watched a few youtube vids to figure out the lacing. I've done a few standard rims like the flow ex and no issues.
    Lacing is the same with any 32 hole rim, you just need to get the first spoke correct. All will line up after that. I love building wheels, very rewarding and relaxing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    I actually don't mind the Specialized tubeless tires (Purgatory), reasonably sized, durable and a good weight. They just don't have the rubber compounds figured out like Maxxis or Continental.
    Butcher SX is pretty dang grippy, 50 & 45 durometer rating. The Control casing is a little more suited to higher miles at 60.

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    Crazy. I have run Flow EX's for about 6 months and regular Flows before that (about a year) and had exactly one burp in all that time. Always Schwalbes (Hans Dampf or Nobby Nic). Ridden hard too (some bike park).

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    2.25 Nobby Nics (non-snakeskin) working perfectly on Flows for me. Easy to mount with a floor pump too.

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    Since who knows when the Rock'r 2.4 will arrive from GoRide. It took 4 days for them to get them out the door, 3 days after I confirmed the correct ones.

    I was in Portland anyway and picked up the DHR2 TR. I had raced DH on the DHR2 (DH casing) so I knew a bit about the tire. I only have 1 ride on them and nothing crazy, since I am still nursing the shoulder, but WOW!! these may soon be my new favorite tire. US had them listed at 850g or something, but they are mislabeled, its the 29" that is 850. Maxxis specs these at 780g, and mine were 780g right on the money. They roll soo fast on the Chilcotin, something I did not expect, being used to the 1200g of the gravity version.

    Very happy so far, will see how they hold up to Phoenix chunk.

    They are a large 2.3, not sure if 2.4, but I am not disappointed. They mounted with a floor pump no problem on Flows with yellow tape (orange seal painted on and 3oz in the tire). They went on a little easier than I would like, mounted by hand with a small amount of effort (I prefer extreme effort, or a tire lever). Held air perfectly well.
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    Are you running the DHR2 front and back? I was thinking about trying it up front with the HR2 in the back.

    Thanks for any feedback. Have fun in the sun.

    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought View Post
    Since who knows when the Rock'r 2.4 will arrive from GoRide. It took 4 days for them to get them out the door, 3 days after I confirmed the correct ones.

    I was in Portland anyway and picked up the DHR2 TR. I had raced DH on the DHR2 (DH casing) so I knew a bit about the tire. I only have 1 ride on them and nothing crazy, since I am still nursing the shoulder, but WOW!! these may soon be my new favorite tire. US had them listed at 850g or something, but they are mislabeled, its the 29" that is 850. Maxxis specs these at 780g, and mine were 780g right on the money. They roll soo fast on the Chilcotin, something I did not expect, being used to the 1200g of the gravity version.

    Very happy so far, will see how they hold up to Phoenix chunk.

    They are a large 2.3, not sure if 2.4, but I am not disappointed. They mounted with a floor pump no problem on Flows with yellow tape (orange seal painted on and 3oz in the tire). They went on a little easier than I would like, mounted by hand with a small amount of effort (I prefer extreme effort, or a tire lever). Held air perfectly well.

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    Yeah, front and rear. The DHR2 supposedly has slightly larger edge knobs than either the DHF or HR2. Looking at them side by side its hard to tell the difference. There was a report on PB or somewhere, where they said that on hardpack in 'extreme' cornering situations (I believe WBP was the location) the HR2 rolled over on the side knobs.

    I think DHR2 and HR2 f/r might be the ticket for 'real' enduro. Some riders were using DHR2 f/r in the UCI DH last year, so I suspect it will be a popular tire. I'll see how they go in terms of durability over the rest of the week
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought View Post
    Since who knows when the Rock'r 2.4 will arrive from GoRide. It took 4 days for them to get them out the door, 3 days after I confirmed the correct ones.

    I was in Portland anyway and picked up the DHR2 TR. I had raced DH on the DHR2 (DH casing) so I knew a bit about the tire. I only have 1 ride on them and nothing crazy, since I am still nursing the shoulder, but WOW!! these may soon be my new favorite tire. US had them listed at 850g or something, but they are mislabeled, its the 29" that is 850. Maxxis specs these at 780g, and mine were 780g right on the money. They roll soo fast on the Chilcotin, something I did not expect, being used to the 1200g of the gravity version.

    Very happy so far, will see how they hold up to Phoenix chunk.

    They are a large 2.3, not sure if 2.4, but I am not disappointed. They mounted with a floor pump no problem on Flows with yellow tape (orange seal painted on and 3oz in the tire). They went on a little easier than I would like, mounted by hand with a small amount of effort (I prefer extreme effort, or a tire lever). Held air perfectly well.
    Sweet, these are my favorite rear tires as well and used them primarily for dry/loose trail riding this past summer/early fall. So far, these are the only tires I have used in sometime that I was able to wear the tread down before tearing at sidewall prematurely and tire seated quite well on the Flow EX rims for me too, unlike other Maxxis tires for me. Mine came in at only 754g's, at that girth with aggressive traction that can take a pounding from me with no issues (known to kill tires within a week or two) others than wearing out in about 4 months time with tons of riding under mixed conditions for only $43 (pricematched), that is a winner for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    Yes, Artcyclery has them and only $36.99 for dual compound TR version, $10 more for 3C. I am going to pick on up myself.
    Not anymore, the price went up to $70 and $55 for the HR2. Bummer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Not anymore, the price went up to $70 and $55 for the HR2. Bummer.
    The "save15" code helps a little bit.

    I'm bummed they don't have the DHF Tr in stock. Thinking about trying the Dhr2

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    Yeah, I was going to go ahead and order one at that price as well when the codes went active again after Cyber Monday. Oh well.

    I was going to go with the HR2 in the back and DHF in the front, but no one shop seems to have both available yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Yeah, I was going to go ahead and order one at that price as well when the codes went active again after Cyber Monday. Oh well.

    I was going to go with the HR2 in the back and DHF in the front, but no one shop seems to have both available yet.
    Exactly. It's bumming me out.

    I just ordered an DHR2 TR from Arts. Price was pretty good with save15 and a great deal on an XT chain. I'm going to try it front and then rear and see how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-AIR View Post
    Exactly. It's bumming me out.

    I just ordered an DHR2 TR from Arts. Price was pretty good with save15 and a great deal on an XT chain. I'm going to try it front and then rear and see how it goes.
    You got the Dual Compound version? That's the only one I've found anywhere. Let us know how it is, I think you said you had a HR2 3C, be interesting to see how you think the two compounds compare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    You got the Dual Compound version? That's the only one I've found anywhere. Let us know how it is, I think you said you had a HR2 3C, be interesting to see how you think the two compounds compare.
    Yeah. A bit of an experiment here so we will see. I really think these new Maxxis tires strike a nice balance so I'm willing to give it a go. It should show up tomorrow so ill be able to get out on them friday.

    I still can't find much info on the Dual Compound. I'll probably try the dhr2 outback at first. It's. bit lighter than the HR2 and sounds like it was designed for the rear.

    I'll keep you posted.

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    Same here, they look promising. My Spechy tires felt like not quite enough, the Dampfs I stuck on there (Endo) felt a bit too much size wise. So hopefully these are the ticket.

    I tried finding some details on the 3C and DC versions, but I struck out as well.
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    I have Flows with Spec Butchers, and they burp on me, but I think I bought the non-UST version by mistake, so I should consider myself lucky to get any mileage on them at all. Sidewalls are so thin, I can see the Stans NoTube goo leaking through.
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    I have had very good luck with using Flow EX in a tubeless setip. The rims replaced some DT Swiss EX5.1D (EX500) that I taco'd (maybe the some spokes were a bit loose).

    The Flow EX have worked well with the Conti Mountain King (I think they are TR), though the tyres were too fragile in rocky situations.

    With Schwalbe tyres (2.35" Fat Albert and Hans Dampf), the Flow EX have also worked very well. The pressures I run are 24 psi front and 28 psi rear.

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