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    What is that thick/foamy frame protection?

    Hey peeps,

    I'm wondering what we call that thick/foamy adhesive material that some of you use for frame protection on chainstays and underside of the downtube. I've done searches for wind/surf/SUP deck grip and it gets me in the ballpark, but those usually come cut into specific patterns, where I'm really looking for a roll of it, hopefully 3 inches wide and BLACK. Ya know?

    I ride thru a lot of loose shale in my 'hood and get more than the occasional kick-up to the DT. 3M clear bumper tape protects from scratches and paint flakes, but isn't thick enough for more aggressive hits. Help me out, thanks!
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    Hmm, I can't recall off my head, but I know what you are talking about.

    Doesn't 3M make some really thick clear stuff, similar to what they make for helicopter blades? I thought I saw some a few years ago when I bought some of the normal 3M for my Highline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    Hey peeps,

    I'm wondering what we call that thick/foamy adhesive material that some of you use for frame protection on chainstays and underside of the downtube. I've done searches for wind/surf/SUP deck grip and it gets me in the ballpark, but those usually come cut into specific patterns, where I'm really looking for a roll of it, hopefully 3 inches wide and BLACK. Ya know?

    I ride thru a lot of loose shale in my 'hood and get more than the occasional kick-up to the DT. 3M clear bumper tape protects from scratches and paint flakes, but isn't thick enough for more aggressive hits. Help me out, thanks!
    Frame defender? Thats what I've always used. Comes in a variety of colors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmountainskiercfg View Post
    Frame defender? Thats what I've always used. Comes in a variety of colors.
    Pretty freakin' cool to google search "frame defender" and see a KNOLLY PODIUM come up in top results....

    https://www.google.com/search?q=fram...hrome&ie=UTF-8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    I ride thru a lot of loose shale in my 'hood and get more than the occasional kick-up to the DT. 3M clear bumper tape protects from scratches and paint flakes, but isn't thick enough for more aggressive hits. Help me out, thanks!
    On the downtube - I use two layers of clear 3M

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    I don't know about foamy, but I use water resistant electrical tape stuff on my chain stay. It is made by scotch and is more like self sealing rubber. It is about 1mm thick and 1.5in wide. When you stretch it and overlap it it bonds to itself and won't stick to your frame of you decide to take it off. You can get it in home depot for $10 for a roll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VuDoo11 View Post
    I don't know about foamy, but I use water resistant electrical tape stuff on my chain stay. It is made by scotch and is more like self sealing rubber. It is about 1mm thick and 1.5in wide. When you stretch it and overlap it it bonds to itself and won't stick to your frame of you decide to take it off. You can get it in home depot for $10 for a roll.
    That stuff works epically well on chain stays I agree, been using it for years. But if all Dusty wants to cover is the downtube, I don't think it will work.
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    The 'shelter' tape looks interesting, anyone know if it sticks well to anodized frames?

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    It sticks quite well to my raw frame. I think it should have no trouble with an ano frame. Just make sure it is nice and clean prior to application.

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    Dusty, I find this works well Frame Wrap - www.biketart.com

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    Couldn't find it on their site, but I got some from go-ride a couple years ago.
    it is a rubber strip with strong adhesive on one side.
    Give em a shout

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    1. Prep frame
    2. Apply Sorbothane (Sorbothane Sheets - 12" square, 1/8" thick | Edmund Scientific)
    3. Apply Kevlar 49 4H or 2x2 weave, or similar aramid tape (ACP Composites - Large Stock of Ready to Use Composite Plate, Tube, Sheet, Fabrics and Core Materials.)
    4. Apply single layer of carbon fiber

    Use a quality epoxy and hardener, vacuum bag, and you are good to go.

    Setup cost is only expensive if you consider the vacuum pumps. You can avoid that by using a compression tape method.

    Give me a few weeks and I will show you the results.
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    I use 3M antiskid tape for the down tube. it has water resistant adhesive so it sticks a long long time...
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    What is that thick/foamy frame protection?-cover-up.jpg

    If you need something now you can always go cheep and change it later.

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    I'm using Frame Defender right now and it seems to work well. It gets chewed up quicker than the 3M Mastic tape. The 3M Mastic becomes part of your frame. It is, actually, hard to get off your frame. It is pretty awesome stuff and I will be using it once I go through my frame defender.
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    Aqua installed jet ski decking on the downtube of both of my Knollys.

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    +1 for shelter frame protection tape - best out there - imo.

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    Dusty,

    The funny thing about the frame defender is that on the "Installation" page, it looks like they're using a Chili or an Endorphin outline for diagram. I don't have any bikes with the smaller 4x4 linkage (only a Delirium), but it sure looks like one of them to me !

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    Dusty,

    Some time ago there was a similar thread on which you suggested some NASCAR tape. Is that not thick enough? (I tried contacting them several times and left messages but never got a call back.)
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    That is correct, not thick enough to prevent dings.

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    Dusty,

    Some time ago there was a similar thread on which you suggested some NASCAR tape. Is that not thick enough? (I tried contacting them several times and left messages but never got a call back.)
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    dusty.....
    what about these.
    Rockguardz - Real Carbon Fibre MTB Rock Protectors

    maybe you could contact them with specific knolly measurements and get some into production for various knolly frames.

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    this one looks good. saw it on a bike and felt quite thick and good looking. i've ordered that an can post pics when i have it with me.
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    Self amalgamating tape. Many brands make it, it's a rubber like tape that kind of melts together when wrapped over itself. Can make it as thick as you want and doesn't leave any adhesive behind, because there is none. Don't know if you can get it in 3 inch wide, but you can make it as wide as you want. Worth looking into
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    now i put that downtube protection from lizardskins on the frame and have to say that it doesn´t not only look good but als feels quite stable.

    have a look
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    Looks good. I tried to order some but the transparent version wasn't available.
    Gonna go 3M tape for now and an old tube for the chainstay....as those things are readily available.
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    ^ is that leather or real carbon fiber?

    Regardless it looks pretty good. I presume it has a self backed adhesive? Or, did you have to use your own adhesive?
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    it's leather in carbon look. it has a self backed adhesive. sticks good, but i think it still has to go through the "real world" before i can give it a "passed".

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfredo View Post
    it's leather in carbon look. it has a self backed adhesive. sticks good, but i think it still has to go through the "real world" before i can give it a "passed".
    I assume it's preformed to fit the down tube. Looks like it fits really well. Is it frame-specific?
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    I think its just very pliable.
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    I have had Lizardskins clear on my Chili since the beginning. You really don't notice it. It keeps away paint chips BUT it won't do what Dusty is asking. A solid rock hit will dent the frame with the stuff I have on. To prevent a dent, like Dusty was talking about, you will need something that cushions the impact (like Frame Defender or an old bike tire) or something spreads the impact across a larger surface area (like carbon fiber or plastic).
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    I assume it's preformed to fit the down tube. Looks like it fits really well. Is it frame-specific?
    no, it's not preformed. i was also surprised how well it fits. it is neither frame specific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris*tx View Post
    +1 for shelter frame protection tape - best out there - imo.
    Agreed - I rocked the Shelter on my Derlirum and it was great. I could see several "scars" where it had taken big rock hits. I need to get around to protecting the chilcotin, haven't made time to put it on yet.

    Bonus: I even used it as a chainstay protector on the D.

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    A frame I bought had the mastic tape that some have suggested. It was about in need of replacement and was a bit time consuming to remove, but not terrible. It left a bit of adhesive that came off fairly easily with some finish line degreaser.

    I may have to try the shelter tape to replace it when I get it built back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlo View Post
    A frame I bought had the mastic tape that some have suggested. It was about in need of replacement and was a bit time consuming to remove, but not terrible. It left a bit of adhesive that came off fairly easily with some finish line degreaser.

    I may have to try the shelter tape to replace it when I get it built back up.
    The shop roll is a smokin' deal and isn't that expensive, fwiw/.

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    3M Mastic

    Thanks for the tip on the 3M Mastic tape guys. I found a 2"x10' roll at Platt Electric for $25. It was very easy to install and the 2" width is perfect for the Knolly downtube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    Thanks for the tip on the 3M Mastic tape guys. I found a 2"x10' roll at Platt Electric for $25. It was very easy to install and the 2" width is perfect for the Knolly downtube.
    That looks much better than a used tire like I put on my Chilli

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    If you're looking for the neoprene SUP type mat you asked about, go here Hydro-Turf-Performance Traction Products

    I buy blank sheets from them all the time. Textured, grooved and smooth. Conforms well and uses 3M adhesive for a strong bond.

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    Looks good bubba...I just got some 2x10 on ebay for $12 shipped to go on the black Podium.

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    Wrong thread. Sorry!
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    Looks good Bubba. I might have to do this and order some for my Podium. Is the exposed side sticky?

    I use something similar to wrap my chain stays in, works great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Looks good Bubba. I might have to do this and order some for my Podium. Is the exposed side sticky?

    I use something similar to wrap my chain stays in, works great.
    The exposed side is not sticky. I think 3m uses the wax paper between the layers in the roll to make it easy to use and keep the exposed side clean of adhesive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    The exposed side is not sticky. I think 3m uses the wax paper between the layers in the roll to make it easy to use and keep the exposed side clean of adhesive.
    Ok great, thanks. I'll try to order some up off ebay like Mayha did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Ok great, thanks. I'll try to order some up off ebay like Mayha did.
    the lowest price i could find...I thought Amazon would offer the same, but nope!
    2" roll @ ebay

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! 3M DI-NOC™ Carbon Fiber Vinyl

    It might not be thick or foamy but I went with 3M DI-NOC™. It actually features a carbon textured finish. It's not just a carbon pattern printed, this texture closely resembles the look of dry carbon fiber, the weave reflects light the same way that carbon fiber would.

    Properties:
    - Self-Adhesive using 3M Comply adhesive
    - Stretchable with heat
    - 12 year indoor lifespan and 4 years outdoors
    - Water resistant
    - Can be cleaned with soap and water

    So I ordered small piece of carbon fiber vinyl, grabbed scissors, hair dryer and few minutes later...



















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    Looks good!

    But does that actually have the same protective properties as carbon fiber, or is it just a vinyl wrap that looks like carbon fiber?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Looks good!

    But does that actually have the same protective properties as carbon fiber, or is it just a vinyl wrap that looks like carbon fiber?
    With a raw frame I don't care if it's bulletproof or just a vinyl wrap. It looks good and that was my goal
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    BikeBert

    Have you looked at Carbon Leather from Lizard Skins? Similar look but a bit thicker.

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    thanks for some sweet recommendations!!!

    i personally use some carbon fibre-ish wraps from auto motive shops, they use it to wrap bonnets and boots, and what not here. it's about $10 for a meter by 40cm or so.

    but really like how the frame defender looks and will give it a try!



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    Anyone know how these two compare?
    3m Rubber Mastic Tape 2228 (65mil thickness)
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    3M Scotch-Seal Mastic Tape 2229 (125mil thickness)

    Similar price on Amazon.

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