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    So if no Knolly 29er then what else?

    I'm assuming that even if Knolly anounced a 29er later this year, it probably wouldn't be available until late 2014 at the earliest? So knowledgeable Knolly peeps, what would your choice be from current 29er models. I'm thinking, carbon, longer travel 140mm fork, maybe the new Pike or Fox 34's with Avys 29er cartridge (if this comes about)? The Ripley is getting some good press and is really well made but I have read comments that it does not match the Yeti SB95 Carbon or SC Tall Boy C for desending? Also the new Niner Rip9 RDO has had some good reviews and apparently desends well?

    Does anybody have ride time on these or others that can give some advice or know of other peoples experience.

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    I recently test rode the SB95, S stumpy29 & the Niner RDO with XX1 build. The later was my pick for the best handling wagon wheel that I'd spend my $$$$ on.

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    hi, was that the Niner Rip9 carbon and SB95 carbon?

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    Both were the high end big $$$ builds carbon frames

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    i have ridden all of them quite a bit. no time on the carbon sb95 but my pick was the tallboy ltc. that thing just motors over everything

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    Trek Remedy 29 140mm, but no carbon model.

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    Specialized Enduro 29.

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    not carbon, banshee prime?

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    If I were going to buy a big-travel 29er today, it would be the new carbon enduro.

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    If you want a 29er comparable to a Knolly, I'd say spend some time reading up on the Cannondale Trigger 29er 1. It should be renamed the Jekyll 29er 1, considering how beefy and capable it's made out to be.

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    Titus is coming out with an El Guapo 29. 140mm rear travel with a CCDB air. 12x142mm rear, ISCG 05. Designed around the new Pike 29 fork. Should be available sometime in the next month.
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    I would wait for the Knolly 650B bike. I bet you'll be able to buy one before you give up on your 2014 NYE resolution.
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    My Prime complements my Endo really well!

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    dude it would be *****n if knolly would just make 29r with like 5.5 inches of travel..low bb..and slack. that thing would be a machine. I would order immediately

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    Testing the right size frame (I'm an XL) here in the UK is a problem, so I will have to go by user reviews. Thanks for you suggestions I'm going to look into all of them.

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    I'll bet a hundred to the dozen knolly won't go 29.

    A tamed (wheels) Endo on the other hand? Well there is a market for that, I think.

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    craigstr, not considered the Titus EG 29er before but sounds interesting, thanks for suggesting. Love the Ed Oxley vids of him testing the prototype. Are you getting one?

    bionicman, the Rip9 RDO is at a crazy price over hear in the UK (£2,900.00). so I would be tempted to import (around £2,300.00 with taxes). Read some good things about this bike.

    qbert, the Prime's got lots of good rider feedback but at around 31/32 lbs build weight maybe not as light as I was looking for.

    invol2ver, I'll add the SC TB2 carbon to the list then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ISharted View Post
    I'll bet a hundred to the dozen knolly won't go 29.
    yeah, i doubt it, its not their style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    craigstr, not considered the Titus EG 29er before but sounds interesting, thanks for suggesting. Love the Ed Oxley vids of him testing the prototype. Are you getting one?

    bionicman, the Rip9 RDO is at a crazy price over hear in the UK (£2,900.00). so I would be tempted to import (around £2,300.00 with taxes). Read some good things about this bike.

    qbert, the Prime's got lots of good rider feedback but at around 31/32 lbs build weight maybe not as light as I was looking for.

    invol2ver, I'll add the SC TB2 carbon to the list then?
    what aboot the transition bandit 29...i-cycles up here have got them..take you on a tour of the local trails at the same time..

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    craigstr, not considered the Titus EG 29er before but sounds interesting, thanks for suggesting. Love the Ed Oxley vids of him testing the prototype. Are you getting one?
    Planning on building one up this winter. I will take most of the parts off my 26" EG, buy a Pike and a set of American Classic AM 29 wheels. After racing my Carbon Rockstar all season, I dont even enjoy riding a 26" bike anymore.

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    I'm going to lose some respect for Knolly if they come out with a 29r...not everyone needs to hop on the band wagon (wheel).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaXCarp View Post
    I'm going to lose some respect for Knolly if they come out with a 29r...not everyone needs to hop on the band wagon (wheel).
    As 29ers have been around for 10+ years it is long past the bandwagon stage. They aren't for everyone, just simply another option in the world of bikes, not worth losing respect over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinS View Post
    As 29ers have been around for 10+ years it is long past the bandwagon stage. They aren't for everyone, just simply another option in the world of bikes, not worth losing respect over.
    Hmm yea that's not gonna sway my opinion. I have viewed knolly as the "anti every other bike company." This would make them not so anti.

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    Trigger is a great bike, just not flickable enough, so sold it after 12 solid rides and moving to Endo.

    Enduro 29 in Carpet Fiber FTW.

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    "No one cares about your 29er!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by thefriar View Post
    Trigger is a great bike, just not flickable enough, so sold it after 12 solid rides and moving to Endo.

    Enduro 29 in Carpet Fiber FTW.
    I can flick a booger pretty far on the carpet fiber, not as "confidence inspiring" as snot rocket on 26" tho

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    I also doubt Knolly will do a 29r. I think the bloom is off the rose on the 29r thing and generally folks are realizing that it's not a panacea but merely a purpose built platform that is tremendous at some types of riding/terrain while compromising competency in other types, so it's definitely not going to replace smaller wheels for everybody.

    remember when that was the forecast from the big wheel faithful? I don't hear that anymore..

    I think the 29r market is becoming saturated with options from companies with heavy marketing budgets building (quite frankly) gorgeous sexy bikes and it would seem to my eye to be a misuse of resources for Knolly to develop a 29r when the 650b platform is much more in keeping with their speciality and the market is still developing for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfrench View Post
    yeah, i doubt it, its not their style.
    Maybe, maybe not, but it's been discussed before, and not dismissed out of hand.

    Any word on a Knolly 29er? Noel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaXCarp View Post
    I have viewed knolly as the "anti every other bike company." This would make them not so anti.
    I can think of better reasons to respect a company. Good people making good bikes and providing good service is near the top of my list, but that's me.

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    has nothing to do with band wagon. the fact is in rough rocky terrain the 29r is plain faster in every way. I actually have a good time reading all these anti 29r comments. pretty funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by invol2ver View Post
    has nothing to do with band wagon. the fact is in rough rocky terrain the 29r is plain faster in every way. I actually have a good time reading all these anti 29r comments. pretty funny
    Fact? I ride rough rocky terrain (upstate NY) every day and have found them to be slower in every way. Most people think our trails have no flow...I find them very flowy, you just need to make your own.

    I have a good time riding with people on 29rs and showing them they cant hang with me on my 26.

    I am not knocking knolly, keep in mind, this is all speculative. Our household has 2 endorphins, and 1 delirium t...I agree they are the best bikes on the planet, there are just additional factors that really allow me to like to company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invol2ver View Post
    has nothing to do with band wagon. the fact is in rough rocky terrain the 29r is plain faster in every way. I actually have a good time reading all these anti 29r comments. pretty funny
    Plain faster in rough rocky terrain? How many 29ers at Val Di Sole this weekend for WC DH? ( )

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    dh bikes would be ships with 29r wheels. just due to the travel. as you can see there are 650b dh bikes making there way onto the circuit. I don't understand the hatred for 29r. its just a different wheel size.

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    how is a larger wheel slower over rocky terrain

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    I don't think its hatred, that would lead to violence on the trails.

    Knolly bikes and their riders have traditionally leaned toward Freeride/DH-ey vs. XC/Endurance-ey end of the spectrum of mt bikers. You don't see many freeride/DH/tech focused bikes in 29er form (Lenz PBJ withstanding) so the standards/minimums are a bit more stringent and scrutiny is heightened.

    Deerhill - same spoke count, rim material, spoke type, I agree, 26 inch wheel snot rocket or whip more confidence inspiring but doesn't mean you can't do it

    or what happens when you whip it real good and forget you're on a 9'er and that big ol back wheel catches a tree where the 6er woulda buzzed it??????? That's not a fun opsie.

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    If Knolly were to make an Endorphin 29er I'd put money down immediately!

    As there is no confirmation about that happening I've set my sights on the Banshee Prime.
    I'm hoping to be riding a Prime next summer. Which means IF - and that's a big IF - Knolly happen to offer up an Endo 29er for the next bike season, summer 2014, I'll be all over it!

    As to the "faster in every way" comment about 29ers, I almost agree. Kinda...
    I have a Knolly Delirium and a Kona Honzo. Two different bikes, worlds apart, but I ride them on the same trails in and around the Whistler valley. I'm definitely not sending it on the the Honzo but I can charge pretty hard on it. I find that I can carry almost similar speed through the same gnarly lines as the Delirium. However, it is a lot more work and it's still a HT with less travel in the fork. The 29" wheel size does smooth out the rough and help carry momentum which sometimes leads me to getting spanked by the bike and line choice.
    When I ride the HT 29er I'm looking for a different set of challenges on a ride compared to the Delirium.
    In the end they are two different bikes but I do feel the 29" wheels hold their own. At least on the Honzo.

    When I get a slacked out AM FS 29er I'll be an unstoppable monster truck! If it happens to be an Endo 29er, watch the **** out!

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    So if no Knolly 29er then what else?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaXCarp View Post
    Fact? I ride rough rocky terrain (upstate NY) every day and have found them to be slower in every way. Most people think our trails have no flow...I find them very flowy, you just need to make your own.

    I have a good time riding with people on 29rs and showing them they cant hang with me on my 26.

    I am not knocking knolly, keep in mind, this is all speculative. Our household has 2 endorphins, and 1 delirium t...I agree they are the best bikes on the planet, there are just additional factors that really allow me to like to company.
    I don't know about you but the Yeti SB-95 I have been riding this season is by far the fastest bike i have ever ridden on our trails (SMBA, Spier, PSF). You don't have to like 29ers or ride them, but your statements are the opposite of what I have experienced.

    Luca

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    Quote Originally Posted by invol2ver View Post
    its just a different wheel size.
    ...the wrong size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nybike1971 View Post
    I don't know about you but the Yeti SB-95 I have been riding this season is by far the fastest bike i have ever ridden on our trails (SMBA, Spier, PSF). You don't have to like 29ers or ride them, but your statements are the opposite of what I have experienced.

    Luca
    I guess a lot of this is really subjective because it comes down to riding style and body type. I am a short, compact, powerful riding style. I rely on body position, inputs to the pedals and suspension to slither my way through, over, and around things. A lot of this might be due to my center of gravity and its relationship to where these wheels connect with the bike and the cumbersome (to me) feeling this provides. I do not want a bike where I just apply pressure to the pedals and it does the rest. I like to jump up on rocks, wheelie drop my way over and off things (think dam extension, and 107 rock step-ups).

    I have ridden, although not a modern AM style 29r, and found it taxes me more to ride the way I like to ride.

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    yawn...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfrench View Post
    yawn...
    Thanks for your insight.

    I guess I should take everything you have to offer to heart since you're a prolific poster as of late in the Knolly forum.

    ...jackass...

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