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    Podium Alternative....

    As you may or may not know, I've been looking for a large ver 1 podium.
    I'm back in school full time, so only my wife for family income until I can get a job after graduation - which is the end of August.
    I'm looking at a decent tax refund, enough to pay some bills with a bit left over

    So with about 2K max - what do you think would be a decent alternative as the search for a large Podium ends up turning up lots of mediums in the general price range...

    On my possibles list
    Devinci Wilson - probably 09-10
    Kona Operator - basically cause of price.
    TR450 - probably just outta my range unless I get lucky.
    Flatline - plenty around, but ugh TANK.
    Have also seen a late model GT Fury for a very good price

    I am 6'2" and 210 - so the same size as Dusty and Noel.
    A large is a must. I love the geo and feel of my Delirum (go figure) so would like to keep in the same ball-park feel wise

    I also have either an 09 Delirium-T or an 06 RM Slayer to sell to fund, when my son makes up his mind how much he is going to ride....

    As well, I'm trying to keep an eye on build especially the Fork and Shock, either something fairly recent or a good candidate for Craig. Then eventual transplant to a Podium...


    So lemme hear your thoughts...
    (not really into the mass market stuff ie Spec-ed, Giant, Trek...)

    As always - thank-you Knomer land.

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    As a Homer and a Knomer, I am going to have to suggest a DHR?

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    There is one late model DHR, but not local and the guy don't wanna ship.
    The older ones are a bit steep for my liking, and with 11/8 ht, not the greatest option for slackening...

    Would I be TOTALLY insane to consider a later model Evil Revolt?
    There are a couple around, bit outta my range, but should I even consider, considering their history with crap mfgs..??
    Damn sexy and the ride reports are great.
    Was thinking that maybe they are ones that the factory actually made correctly as they are still on the dirt....


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    That might not be a bad option, but how would you be able to tell if it was a Revolt from one of the good batches? Check the serial number with Evil directly maybe?
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    I have about $1750 in my square tube large DHR, built over the past 8 months. It is a pretty nice build too. Deals are out there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mykel View Post
    (not really into the mass market stuff ie Spec-ed, Giant, Trek...)
    If you're looking for a temporary fix then I wouldn't rule out the big-box bikes. Whistler, Deer Valley and others use the Giant Glory as rentals for a reason--it's a good value-point bike. I would at least take a '10 or later version for a ride if you haven't. (Besides, you can always wear a full-face helmet if the brand is too embarrassing. LOL)

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    Well the Glory is quite steep at 65.6 and the BB is up there as well.
    Sessions are quite pricey still, and were the 10's etc not a bit fragile?
    Special-Ed is out for personal reasons.

    I do like the looks of the later first gen Wilson (09/10) - any comments on how they ride?
    As well, can't seem to find the geo numbers - have heard they run small....


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    The older (round tube -2008) have a HTA of 64 degrees. That is too steep?? The new DW DHR's are 64.5. You could slacken the round tube one another degree with a works headset too if you really needed to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mykel View Post
    Well the Glory is quite steep at 65.6 and the BB is up there as well.
    Sessions are quite pricey still, and were the 10's etc not a bit fragile?
    Got my Glory after it was a rental bike at Deer Valley. It's still solid (except the paint). I've only ridden one other DH bike--a Demo 8--and they are worlds apart. If you lived near me I would let you ride mine (when the snow melts, that is).

    Personally, I dislike it when people won't try things; so I may have been expressing my bias against what I perceived as a possible bias. I'm sure you're on the right track. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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    Honestly the bikes you are looking at are not so much alternatives to a podium as they are downgrades from a podium. An 11 or 12 Session or Demo would be closest alternative I think....but even with the the sessions rear end just doesn't compare.

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    how about a morewood makulu? the bike the tr450 is pretty much based on. wc proven linkage driven single pivot. great bike, great geometry, great reviews. has made the dirt 100 list a couple years in a row

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    That Makulu looks amazing for the price.

    Maybe try to find a 2010 Jedi (old looking style with updated geometry) or a Banshee Legend even. Not sure if they will be in your budget or not though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apat13 View Post
    Honestly the bikes you are looking at are not so much alternatives to a podium as they are downgrades from a podium. An 11 or 12 Session or Demo would be closest alternative I think....but even with the the sessions rear end just doesn't compare.
    I realize that, and I want a Podium above all else. However finding a large is proving to be difficult. Mediums for 2K, yup, but large are scarce.
    Found a large in the UK, but even if he would ship, the frame alone is 1500....that is the only thing I can find.
    The other choices are definitely lower interest alternates that are just what is in my price - basically using the thread to think out-loud with Knomer input.


    The 10 or earlier Wilson is pretty much out as all the larges are double the price of the mediums, they are a bit loose in the rear, and the TT is short at <600mm and I'm not doing 2K++.
    Flatline is pretty much out as they are most low end builds and are heavy - bombproof type heavy - not in the vein of a current Knolly.
    Operators are on the list, as there are a few around, including one in the US for 2.5K with a DoradoPro and CCDB. Shipping is only US, but I have not contacted.
    There is a GT Fury with DoradoPro - not really rocking my interest much though - and it a "Selling for a friend" so thing that make you say "huh?"
    There are a couple of 10 Commencal Supremes around - but the TT is shorter again. (Read the Blistergear review of the Supreme and Makulu)

    As for the Makulu, I contacted the seller, and he won't send it up to Canada, so another one bites the dust.
    There is this DHR for 2.5K TURNER DHR - Pinkbike Built looks decent, sent message re shipping to Ontario, no reply yet.
    There are a triplet of Revolts 2.4,2.5and 2.7K all nice builds but over my budget and do I want to take that kind of chance. Even if I'm old and don't ride super hard anymore.
    Sweet Evil Revolt! PRICE DROP - Pinkbike - this guy will ship to Ontario - quite a nice build.
    2012 EVIL REVOLT - Pinkbike - not contacted yet. Wants local pickup 3k km away. -
    Evil Revolt 2011 Large - Pinkbike - not contacted yet - but 2.7K and in the US so shipping $ and taxes.

    When it comes down to it, I really really really want a Podium especially a 13, but will "make do" with a version 1.
    Maybe patience is the key, but then again, sometime jumping can be fortuitous.

    Thoughts?

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    it's still winter, be patient. forget the 13 podium on your budget, just a pipe dream

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    I know... patience....

    as for the 13 - sarcasm my boy - hence the making due with the version 1 comment.
    Lemme try that again...

    I know it would be tough making due with a version 1 - but that's the thing - we sometimes have to suffer for our sport.



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    Im on the same boat lol , trying to pick up a big bike as well .. Thinking tr450 or DHR ... Choices Choices ... I had the Operator , while it was a good bike and did what it needed to do , i felt weird on it , kinda like sitting on top of the bike and hanging over the front end .. Just a heads up !

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    Dubber

    Thanks for the heads up - looks like we be takin' the operator off the list.
    Don't remember where, but I do recall hearing the same - the numbers do look pretty good though - odd.

    Cheers

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    mykel...
    not sure if this is any help to you, but this has been up forsale for quite a while now, so you may beable to blag a deal off him. if he would ship to canada of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    Got my Glory after it was a rental bike at Deer Valley. It's still solid (except the paint). I've only ridden one other DH bike--a Demo 8--and they are worlds apart. If you lived near me I would let you ride mine (when the snow melts, that is).
    I'm curious about this- could you expand on the "worlds apart" bit?

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    Problem solved.

    Am the very proud new owner of a large raw 2013 Podium.
    Avid/SRAM build except X9 rear D and '13 888 Evo Ti on front.
    Shock is CCDB Coil.
    Built is up tonight - 37.45 lbs with spike pedals and uncut steerer.

    Bike has been ridden but lightly with less than two weeks on it.
    Got a PM and the deal was done.

    Will get a couple pics when I can.

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    There's no way you stuck to your original 2k limit... but if so wow!

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    Ya, I blew the budget all to he||, but still made out like a bandit. Almost feels like I stole it.

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    haha, nice. Looking forward to the pics

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    Congrats! Sometimes patience is the key. If you got it anywhere near $3500-4000 that's a killer deal.
    I was about to telll you to jump on the 2011 DHR with 6 rides on it. Haven't ridden a ton of DH bikes but the dw DHR is one of my favorites.

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    Nice, congrats! That's a light build too. Anxious to see pics and the build specs.
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