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    New to the KNation!



    I meant to take some bare frame porn shots of my new Endo, but I got carried away with the build and forgot. So this ^^^ is what you get for now!

    3yrs ago when I got my last bike [Pivot Mach 6] I actually had a Warden on order and changed my mind for a number of reasons. Funnily enough one of them was wanting to have the same bike as my GF for ease of maintenance/spare parts and she eventually ditched the Mach 6 for a Warden!

    This time around I was planning on getting a 29er [and still am], but I can never seem to find the "right" one and get the trigger pulled. I decided to get the Endo because it's got some features I've wanted to check out for a while [4x4, shorter travel, CC climb switch, shorter CS] and a bit more tire clearance than the Mach 6 so I can run a 2.5" - 2.6" tire. I also liked the fact it wasn't Boost so I could share parts with the Mach 6 easily.

    I had been thinking about a used Endo, but then the sale dropped and it was pretty hard to resist getting a Knolly. I can't let the GF have the only Knolly in the house and living in BC it seems like we should ride a local brand.

    I'm 5'11" with 33" pants inseam, which puts me right between a M and L frame. I suspect Knolly would fit me on a L, but I ride slow techy forest trails 90% of the time so I value playfulness/agility over stability. I also like a slack STA for seated pedalling and climbing. It's more comfortable and more efficient for me. So I'll use a setback seatpost, which gives me more Eff TT than my L Mach 6 and the reach on a M Endo is longer than my L Mach 6. Holding the Endo frame up against my M6 shows they are pretty much the same size.

    For a build kit I really like the parts on my Pivot so I'll use a lot of the same stuff:

    - 150mm Pike
    - XT brakes 203/180
    - XT 11 spd shifter/derailleur
    - RF Next SL cranks + Atlas pedals
    - RF Atlas stem/SixC bars
    - CB Joplin dropper [will swap in a 9.8 later]
    - Light Bicycle carbon rims + Hope hubs [share wheels with M6 for now]

    I don't like to swap back and forth on different bikes so the Endo will have to tackle all my normal AM riding hence the burly build.

    The bare frame with CC DBA + axle + seatpost collar weighs ~7.5lbs. So I'm expecting the complete build to be ~28lbs.

    Anyways I'm glad to be on Team Knolly finally. I've got a couple buddies interested in the Endo sale so hopefully they pull the trigger [some colours, sizes and shock options are selling out] before it's too late.
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    I like it. My local dealer said he will match CR's price and maybe others will as well.
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    Your red Endo definitely helped push me over the edge Travis. Every 5mins I wish I had got the red or the raw, but I'm pretty sure that if I had I'd be wishing I got the black. One of the few things I regret about my Mach 6 is the power ranger blue paint job. So getting a black bike seemed like a solid move.

    My buddy was looking at the online sale and noticed some colours/sizes/shock options he wanted were sold out so the sale will end sometime soon and retail prices will go back to normal. It's cool your local dealer is willing to match the sale....maybe Knolly is offering some compensation to dealers with inventory? That would make sense.
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    Nice! Can't wait to hear about your first impressions. These prices seriously have me considering building up a small for my daughter, I have enough parts to do it, but she really doesn't need a bike that nice or even could appreciate it.

    Colors, they all look good! Fun you mention that. I always had black bikes before, so wanted something different, had the blue on order but that was right when they came out and the blue was a month wait. So I went red. Part of me always wanted the raw though. Then one day I was at a car show and there was this Ford GT in the red with white stripes. I had my bike and the owner of the car let me bring it over by it, the colors were so close, I fell in love with the red right then.

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    Well I think a high quality bike can really ignite the passion of rider and get them stoked to ride so it could be a solid investment for your daughter. And once the sale is over and forgotten a lightly used Endo won't sell for a whole lot less than the sale price so the risk is low.
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    Sherwin, just curious, how tall is your daughter? I've considered building a small endo for my kids but I think it's a wee bit too big for them right now.

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    The black with white looks classic, good choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coleman22 View Post
    Sherwin, just curious, how tall is your daughter? I've considered building a small endo for my kids but I think it's a wee bit too big for them right now.
    Shes about 5'1". Shes been riding my wifes Trek Lush 14.5" the past year or so and my wife is 5'0". I think the Endo might be a little big yet, but she's been growing pretty fast the last year or so. At these sale prices, even if it takes a year or 2 to grow into, well it's a bike then I can pass down to younger ones as they get to that stage of a good bike that can really let them progress. My thought is each kid is going to at some point fit it, so the investment would be worthwhile. A perfect bike to have around for a decade and let the kids learn on. It's the next step when each one needs a bigger bike and they are used to quality, then i might need to sell the house

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    Nice one!! Be interesting to see how the two of you find the two different Knollys. I'm absolutely loving my Endo, it just feels like the perfect bike for what I ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    Nice one!! Be interesting to see how the two of you find the two different Knollys. I'm absolutely loving my Endo, it just feels like the perfect bike for what I ride.
    Thanks. I am excited to ride something different. I've been on 6"+ VPP/DW link bikes for almost a decade so riding a shorter travel active suspension bike should be fun. I have no complaints about my Mach 6 beyond the fact I've ridden it so damn much I'm a bit bored.

    Before the sale I considered getting a used Warden, but with a SC Nomad and Pivot Mach 6 in the garage another 6" travel AM bike seems redundant. I may get rid of the Nomad, but I am keeping the Mach 6 for sure. I still love that bike. I just needed a change of flavour.

    I should sell the Nomad, but part of me wants to keep it so I can show up for group rides in 10yrs on a 26er and blow kids' minds.
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    Congrats vik! Looking forward to your build up. Having followed your Mach 6 builds on the Pivot forum I know the kind of attention to detail and good photo documenting you do.

    When we were chatting on PMs I wondered what size you'd go with. Given your love of the M6 and it's relatively shorter tt and reach and your size and type of riding you do most, I think you made the right choice going with the medium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Congrats vik! Looking forward to your build up. Having followed your Mach 6 builds on the Pivot forum I know the kind of attention to detail and good photo documenting you do.

    When we were chatting on PMs I wondered what size you'd go with. Given your love of the M6 and it's relatively shorter tt and reach, your size and type of riding you do most, I think you made the right choice.
    Thanks KRob your review of the Mach 6 sealed the deal on that bike and your Endo posts definitely made me feel good about trying one. I think for the tight forest a M is the right choice. The M Endo has a reach that is ~1" longer than the L Mach 6. So I figure I'll get a taste for a longer front end this way without going to a bike that is so long it's a hassle. I also value playful over stability.
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    What length seatpost are you thinking you will need? I didnt realize the M had such a short seat tube (16.5"). Knolly does have a fairly slack ST angle (69deg) so you might find yourself a bit too far over the back wheel?
    Only inquiring as I have similar measurements (5'11.5", 32" inseam) and I would put myself on a L partly because of the short seat tube on the M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    What length seatpost are you thinking you will need? I didnt realize the M had such a short seat tube (16.5"). Knolly does have a fairly slack ST angle (69deg) so you might find yourself a bit too far over the back wheel?
    Only inquiring as I have similar measurements (5'11.5", 32" inseam) and I would put myself on a L partly because of the short seat tube on the M.
    I don't know what length seatpost yet. Haven't got around to completing the build. With the super long droppers made by 9.8 I'll find one that works.

    Having ridden my GF's medium Warden I'm not concerned about the sizing nor the STA. I don't find the "modern" steep STAs comfortable nor efficient for pedalling. I feel like I am perched over the BB like I am on a unicycle.

    What will determine your saddle position is the length of the seat tube + dropper and the seat tube angle. It doesn't matter if seat tube is longer or shorter you'll end up with the saddle in the same spot. So I don't see moving to a Large would change anything in that regard.

    I find having a rearward weight bias is actually beneficial for our techy climbing. It's keeps the front wheel light so it moves over tech easily and if I want I can pop the front wheel up and place it down on a new line. I've never had issues with the front end coming up when I didn't want it to.

    FWIW - my Mach 6 has about 1" of exposed seatpost with a 5" dropper. So I'll likely get a 6" dropper for the Endo and have ~2.5" of seatpost exposed. That doesn't seem crazy to me.
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    My buddy ordered an Endo for himself and his wife. The local Knolly crew is growing. On one hand that makes our bikes less special on the other it will be cool to shred down the trail with a pack of Knollys.

    Seeing another Pivot owner on Vancouver Island was a once or twice a year occurrence.
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    I saw 6 Knollys here in one day, which is unusual. By buddy and I stopped at a rib place in Nanaimo after a ride and there were 2 other bikes in the parking lot, all 4 were Knollys.
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    Welcome to the club Vic! I think you will be very happy with your Endo. I'd be interested to hear how it performs compared to your Pivot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I saw 6 Knollys here in one day, which is unusual. By buddy and I stopped at a rib place in Nanaimo after a ride and there were 2 other bikes in the parking lot, all 4 were Knollys.
    Cool. I see Knolly's regularly in Victoria. Not super common, but of the smaller brands they are well represented here. And the numbers are growing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skooks View Post
    Welcome to the club Vic! I think you will be very happy with your Endo. I'd be interested to hear how it performs compared to your Pivot.
    Thanks a comparison between the Mach 6 and Endo is inevitable. I'm going to ride the best bike for my needs and what puts the biggest smile on my face. The Mach 6 is a pretty amazing bike so that's a solid reference for competition. They are not the same category of bike and I will keep that in mind.

    My hope is that the Endo pretty capable on the AM end of the gnar scale, but that it has benefits for the majority of my riding [handling/efficiency] on less challenging sections of trail and I'm okay with giving up some plowing/crushing capability for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Not super common, but of the smaller brands they are well represented here.
    Every ride I've done in BC was packed full of Knollys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Every ride I've done in BC was packed full of Knollys.
    Ha! So true.

    Although I wouldn't buy a bike for this I like the fact there is a decent community/brand stoke around Knolly. Pivot makes great bikes, but the brand stoke level is low and owners travelling from all over to meet up and ride....ya not going to happen.
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    Welcome to the club Vik, I'll keep an eye out for you and your bike out at the dump!

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    Quote Originally Posted by home_piece View Post
    Welcome to the club Vik, I'll keep an eye out for you and your bike out at the dump!
    Thanks what model/colour are you riding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Every ride I've done in BC was packed full of Knollys.
    Love the energy these bikes radiate! Museum of Knolly's...keep building great bikes!

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    I started getting some Conti Trail Kings in 2.4" width mounted on my 27.5 wheels. One of the reasons I went with the Endo was the room for wide "conventional" rubber. I have no desire to run plus tires, but 2.5" - 2.6" tires could work well for where I live.

    I'm going to roll on the TKs first because I own a fresh set and because they are one of my favourite tires so I know how they perform very well and it will let me understand the Endo better.

    The other tires I know I like are Vittoria Morsas which come in a 2.5" width that looks sweet. I'm putting one on the back of the GF's Warden for the summer.

    I may also try a set of the Maxxis 2.8" plus tires, which in typical Maxxis fashion are actually not super wide and not a plus tire in my books

    I think other 2.5" - 2.6" rubber will drop for 2017 so I'll keep my options open for a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by home_piece View Post
    This one

    Wow. That's nice.
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    want one!! so nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    What will determine your saddle position is the length of the seat tube + dropper and the seat tube angle. It doesn't matter if seat tube is longer or shorter you'll end up with the saddle in the same spot. So I don't see moving to a Large would change anything in that regard.
    The further your seat post extends beyond the top of the seat tube, the further toward the back your weight will shift. Obviously your seat height is a function of your leg length and crank length. There will definitely be a more rearward position on a med with a shorter seat tube and a longer seatpost than on the large with a longer seat tube and a shorter seat post. The slacker the seat tube angle, the more pronounced the effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    The further your seat post extends beyond the top of the seat tube, the further toward the back your weight will shift. Obviously your seat height is a function of your leg length and crank length. There will definitely be a more rearward position on a med with a shorter seat tube and a longer seatpost than on the large with a longer seat tube and a shorter seat post. The slacker the seat tube angle, the more pronounced the effect.
    No. If the BB/seattube relationship/angle is the same on the medium and the large then the same rider on both sizes will end up with their saddle in the same place. The only thing that determines this is total us distance between BB and saddle.

    Why would it matter if the seattube was 2" longerand the dropper was 2" shorter or vice versa? The angle doesn't changeat the top of the seattube.

    Draw it out on some graph paper or the computer equivalent. It becomes obvious.

    Now if the actual seattube angle was different on a medium and on a large. Than what you are saying could be correct. But it would have nothing to do with seattube length and everything to do with the actual angle of the seattube.
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    Knolly swag for sale on the website.

    https://shop.knollybikes.com/collections/soft-goods
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    The further your seat post extends beyond the top of the seat tube, the further toward the back your weight will shift. Obviously your seat height is a function of your leg length and crank length. There will definitely be a more rearward position on a med with a shorter seat tube and a longer seatpost than on the large with a longer seat tube and a shorter seat post. The slacker the seat tube angle, the more pronounced the effect.
    BTW - just to be sure I wasn't making a mistake I ended up calling Knolly and Noel was kind enough to chat with me for a minute [great customer service].

    For the same rider on a medium and on a large the saddle will be in the same position relative to the BB/rear axle on both sizes. So I'm not further back on a medium than I would be if I had bought a large. On the large there would just be more seattube and less exposed dropper.
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    I guess that makes sense now that I think about it. I guess your weight bias will be more toward the back on the medium than the large because of the shorter reach? Does that idea make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    I guess that makes sense now that I think about it. I guess your weight bias will be more toward the back on the medium than the large because of the shorter reach? Does that idea make sense?
    Yes that makes sense. You'd use a shorter stem on the large to achieve the same seated reach to the bars. That's another reason I went with the smaller of the two sizes. I like the techy climbing better with a bit more weight over the front wheel. I also like the shorter wheelbase for manoeuvring in tight spots.
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    More Knolly in the house!



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    The raw looks sweet. Congrats!
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    BTW - If anyone Knolly owners want to meet up for some riding in Moab/Frutia/GJ 22 April - 7 May [give or take] my two riding buddies both had personal emergencies that are taking them out of the mission.

    I'm thinking of camping and keeping things fairly basic/low cost.

    I am not 100% tied to those locations. I'm driving from BC so anywhere warm and dry that time of year with good riding and 2 days or less travel time from BC is cool. So that includes Sedona/Flagstaff/Prescott.

    Other option is if anyone wants to come to BC trail ride Whistler, Squamish, North Shore, Pemberton, etc... that could work. Less exotic for me, but I don't ride those areas normally so still fresh dirt.

    If I don't the holidays that time of year I'm stuck at my desk until the fall.
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    That sounds really good. I'm currently in Richland, WA and was thinking that a trip to Moab was necessary this year. Those dates might work, I would just need to figure out my work schedule though.

    BTW. I'm also a new member to the KNation. Here's a pic of the Warden C on my first ride with the. What a fun bike.New to the KNation!-img_20170114_160529-2.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedrosalas7 View Post
    That sounds really good. I'm currently in Richland, WA and was thinking that a trip to Moab was necessary this year. Those dates might work, I would just need to figure out my work schedule though.

    BTW. I'm also a new member to the KNation. Here's a pic of the Warden C on my first ride with the. What a fun bike.Click image for larger version. 

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    Great looking bike. Let me know those dates end up working for you.
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    Are you pretty set on those dates? I'm hoping to do a Moab trip this Spring but will be just getting back from Hawaii on April 22 so pretty sure I won't be able to head straight to Moab from the airport (not to mention, miss another week of work )

    Not sure when will work for me though. Still trying to figure that out (get the hall pass etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Are you pretty set on those dates? I'm hoping to do a Moab trip this Spring but will be just getting back from Hawaii on April 22 so pretty sure I won't be able to head straight to Moab from the airport (not to mention, miss another week of work )

    Not sure when will work for me though. Still trying to figure that out (get the hall pass etc).
    I could do 30 April - 13 May 2017. That's as far back as I could push things as I am organizing some local MTB events starting the next weekend. I could hit Frutia and GJ first and then meet up with you in Moab for 7 - 13 May?
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    May is probably worse for me. Couple of graduations and starting to get things set up for our enduro race.
    I'll shoot you a pm and see if we can work something out. It's always fun to hook up with fellow mtbr friends and Knolly riders.
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    April 27-30 is the Fruita Fat Tire Fest if that's your kind of thing. There will certainly be a few Knolly riders in town (and hopefully some official Knolly representation?)
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    So I've decided to stick with BC for my trip in April so I'll be riding the North Shore and Squamish 24 - 30 April 2017. I'll be hitting the shore first and then onto Squamish for the weekend.

    Any Knolly riders who want to check out these trails are welcome to join in.

    My plan will be to camp unless weather is total $hit in which case I'll grab hotel room.
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    Wish I could do that! I'm really needing some BC fix. Maybe in the fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Wish I could do that! I'm really needing some BC fix. Maybe in the fall.
    If you ever want to check out Vancouver Island I can guide you and give you a place to stay. It's not famous like Whistler or the North Shore, but the riding is outstanding if you like techy steep natural forest trails.
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    BTW - I plan to run my cables externally and don't want the big port covers on my Endo. So I'm going to 3D print some flat covers for each side. I'll make a few extras. If anyone wants one PM me. I'm only going to make a small batch, but I can provide the 3D printer files to anyone if you want to make a set locally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    If you ever want to check out Vancouver Island I can guide you and give you a place to stay. It's not famous like Whistler or the North Shore, but the riding is outstanding if you like techy steep natural forest trails.
    Thanks! Man, I'd be all over that. I've seen some cool photos and vids of Vancouver Island riding and always wanted to check it out.
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    Would love to join you Vic, but maybe next year. We've talked it up for the last year or two, but there's 3-4 of the guys i ride with dead keen on a trip to Canada in 2018. Watch this space!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    BTW - I plan to run my cables externally and don't want the big port covers on my Endo. So I'm going to 3D print some flat covers for each side. I'll make a few extras. If anyone wants one PM me. I'm only going to make a small batch, but I can provide the 3D printer files to anyone if you want to make a set locally.
    I would LOVE to get my hands on one of those...
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    another newbie here
    just picked up a warden and can't wait to ride it as soon as it dries out here in bay area

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    Quote Originally Posted by digifun View Post
    another newbie here
    just picked up a warden and can't wait to ride it as soon as it dries out here in bay area
    Welcome! Post pics or it never happened.
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    Welcome! Post pics or it never happened.
    thanks!
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    Looking a changing out to a new bike and the Warden is on the list. Is there no internal routing on the alloy Warden and only on the carbon?

    Coming from a number if Giant Trance/Reign's over the years and looking to change it up. The new Giant Trance has some great elements but ... current lack of metric trunnion mount shock choice and relatively slack seat angle have me looking elsewhere.

    I like that the Warden allows for pretty much wide open shock selection. I like the general geo numbers of the frame including a steeper seat angle. Only had a weekend of rides on a 2014 Warden as I waited for what was my new bike to ship. I liked it and felt comfortable on it right away.

    I am in Vancouver and in the past while have spoken with a few Warden riders on the trails all were liking the bikes.

    I will ask the question, even though I know the bias will be strong toward the Knolly, so here goes. The other bike I am looking at is the 2016/17 Bronson. The Devinci Troy/Spartan were also on this list, but fading a little on them.

    So what says the KNation, anyone with ride time on a Bronson and a Warden to provide some comments on the pros & cons.

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    I am curious...for those 5'6-5'7 people out there...you ride a medium or small warden?

    I have a medium endo 275 with 50mm stem and it seems to work. Just curious on the warden.

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    ridetall: It depends on what you like. The fourbyfour suspension on knollys in really really active, which is great downhill and when climbing technical singletrack, the downside is that climbing on fire road there's a lot of movement, but with a good shock it's totally manageable.

    I just changed to a Warden C from a transition scout. The warden is a lot of fun and really playful. It's not as playful as the scout, but a lot more capable and forgiving. The scout pedals more efficiently, but the traction the Warden has when climbing technical trails is astounding.

    I've never liked VPP bikes, while they are really efficient, to me they feel dull and boring. and honestly I think santa cruz bikes are overrated. Don't know about Devinci bikes though

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    Quote Originally Posted by marathon dave View Post
    I am curious...for those 5'6-5'7 people out there...you ride a medium or small warden?

    I have a medium endo 275 with 50mm stem and it seems to work. Just curious on the warden.
    I'm about 5'6" and ride a M Warden with a 45 mm stem. I like the fit, doesn't feel too big by any means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marathon dave View Post
    I am curious...for those 5'6-5'7 people out there...you ride a medium or small warden?

    I have a medium endo 275 with 50mm stem and it seems to work. Just curious on the warden.
    GF is 5'6" and rides a medium Warden with a 50mm stem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marathon dave View Post
    I am curious...for those 5'6-5'7 people out there...you ride a medium or small warden?

    I have a medium endo 275 with 50mm stem and it seems to work. Just curious on the warden.
    I'm just shy of 5'7" and ride a medium Warden C. I have been switching between a 35 and 45mm stem to see what I like best. If you feel good on the Endo you should feel good on the Warden, though it wont feel as playful just due to frame design intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideitall View Post

    I will ask the question, even though I know the bias will be strong toward the Knolly, so here goes. The other bike I am looking at is the 2016/17 Bronson. The Devinci Troy/Spartan were also on this list, but fading a little on them.

    So what says the KNation, anyone with ride time on a Bronson and a Warden to provide some comments on the pros & cons.

    Cheers
    I can only supply an impression I got from a short ride on a Bronson vs two seasons on my Warden. The Bronson immediately felt like a more serious "go fast/stay planted" type bike where the Warden feels more playful.
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    Got a bit more done on the build. I was away for 4 days last weekend and work 10hrs x 4days during the week so only really have the energy to wrench on weekends. Luckily there is a snowstorm going on today so it makes sense to stay inside and mess around with the Endo.

    With some wheels on the bike finally I was able to start adjusting the saddle/bar position. I'm using a 1" setback post with a 50mm stem and 785mm bars. At 5' 11" with a 33" pant's inseam the fit is good. I may go to a 65mm stem and cut the bars down a bit, but I'm not sure yet.

    Next up putting a Conti Trail King on the front, installing the dropper post, chain and cabling the rear derailleur.
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    I'm almost 5'6.5" haha and I'm riding a medium Warden C with a 50mm stem and i'm really liking it so far.

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    Looking good! I didn't notice the shock last time too. How do you find the Conti's? I was nearly going to try some but a guy I ride with beat me to it and we've found they just don't clear the winter mud here. Seem ok in summer though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    Would love to join you Vic, but maybe next year. We've talked it up for the last year or two, but there's 3-4 of the guys i ride with dead keen on a trip to Canada in 2018. Watch this space!
    Awesome. Let me know. I'll be all over any BC Knolly-fests now.
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    Sorry for another boring not quite finished photo! But it's what I got so far. The steerer and brake hoses will have to wait until next week.

    Lots of clearance for my 2.4" Conti TKs.
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    Looks great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Looks great!
    Thanks TB. We'll have to go for an Endo ride in Cumby in the spring.
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    Spring looks a long way off today, but I am looking forward to seeing your endo.
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    Come south. We are shredding Harbourview tomorrow.
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    My buddy came by with one of his two new Endo frames. He also has a raw.

    I have to say all the Endo colour choices are pretty sweet. It's hard to decide if I made the right decision or not. At least I'll get to ride with all the different colours and enjoy them.
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    Thanks Knolly for making allowances for full external cable/hose routing. The setup is slick and it's adaptable/removable so you can make it work for whatever your preferences are.

    I had to go the DIY route to run cables externally on my Pivot. That was fine, but it's nice not to have to.

    BTW - I weighed the Endo. With 1000g tires, tubes, heavy shock and a solid AM build it's 28lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marathon dave View Post
    I am curious...for those 5'6-5'7 people out there...you ride a medium or small warden?

    I have a medium endo 275 with 50mm stem and it seems to work. Just curious on the warden.
    5'7" on a medium warden with a 50mm stem. Seems perfect to me. I just got some wider (770) bars and might try a shorter stem.

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    Lookin' good. That's a pretty good weight. I like your scale better than mine. Is that with pedals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Lookin' good. That's a pretty good weight. I like your scale better than mine. Is that with pedals?
    Yes pedals. Ready to ride. Given I used the same parts on my Mach 6 the build weight was what I expected. The Endo is a bit heavier than Mach 6 so the final build is a bit heavier. Not bad for a metal bike though.
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    Got the build finished just in time for a rare epic snowstorm in Coastal BC. I went with a lot of the same parts I used on my Pivot. They have taken a ton of abuse and worked well so why not?

    - Race Face Next SL cranks [I'm trying 170mm arms this time vs. 175mm normally]
    - Wolf Tooth 28T oval ring [offset more inboard than the stock RF ring for better chainline in low gears]
    - RF BB [original RF PF 92 BB is going strong in my Pivot 3yrs later!]
    -Blackspire crusher taco style bashguard
    - RF Atlas pedals [still on original bearings after 3yrs on Pivot]

    I'm using the older generation Next SL cranks because I saved more than $100 vs. the newer ones. The cranks and the bashguard are made in Canada, which is both rare and cool for bike parts.

    The threaded BB on the Endo is easier to use for use home mechanics. I've had no problems with any of my PF BBs either, but the install/removal of the threaded BB is less hassle for me. Hopefully I won't need to pull the BB any time soon.
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    Mannnn that looks good Vic!

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    Thanks. It's a sweet looking bike. My friend got a red and a raw. All the finish options for the Endo are winners really. My Pivot was a bit crazy with bright power ranger-eqsue graphics so I am happy with the subdued look of the Endo. I may go full murdered out later and cover the white graphics.
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    Looking good Vik. Were you able to use the wheels from the Pivot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skooks View Post
    Looking good Vik. Were you able to use the wheels from the Pivot?
    Yes. Those wheels are the ones off my Mach 6. One of the enticing things about getting an Endo was avoiding Boost and having two bikes with nearly total cross compatibility with parts.

    My plans for World Domination include free up more time next year and beyond for riding. I figured having lots of parts that work on both my main trail bikes would be helpful to keeping me rolling at a higher service intervals.

    Or at least that's what I tell myself...
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    Nice, I switched to 170mm cranks when I make the jump from Warden to Endo (along with an oval ring too) and so far have found it to be a good set up. I did struggle a bit with it today though, Bastard Hill is too steep for me to maintain a good cadence on, and that's when the extra leverage is useful, but for most of my climbing it's fine. Certainly feels a little easier on the knees too, won't be going back to 175s any time soon, but might have to look at something bigger than a 42 on the cassette...

    As for the finish, the red sure is lovely but I've found it a lot less resilient than the black ano of the Warden. I noticed after todays ride (which was mostly a gravel road training mission) there's a few good stone chips in the downtube. I might have to look into some sort of protective tape for it.

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    If you are running 11 speed and Shimano, OneUp has your answer with a 47t cog. Gives you a nice 5t jump between the top three gears (37-42-47).

    https://www.oneupcomponents.com/prod...r-shimano-1x11

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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    Nice, I switched to 170mm cranks when I make the jump from Warden to Endo (along with an oval ring too) and so far have found it to be a good set up.
    Thanks for the comment. On a scale of 1 to 10 how noticeable do you find the change to 170mm? Just something you notice on the steepest climbs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    If you are running 11 speed and Shimano, OneUp has your answer with a 47t cog. Gives you a nice 5t jump between the top three gears (37-42-47).

    https://www.oneupcomponents.com/prod...r-shimano-1x11
    For that price just get this. SunRace | CSMX8

    I have not found pedal strikes to be an issue with the 175s on the Endo. I recently had to warranty my Next SLs for loose pedal inserts and RF replaced them with the G4s which feel the same except for the weight They don't really look much different either. The bike is looking good.
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    I've got lots of chunky techy climbing to do so I didn't want to take any chances on the low BB and pedal strikes. I find the Mach 6 with a 13.6" BB and sitting relatively high in its 155mm of travel is okay, but I get enough pedal strikes that I figured the extra 5mm of clearance going to 170mm cranks was worth the risk of not liking them.
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    That is also an option yes. Those cassettes aren't easy to find without ordering from Europe I've found. Do you have local source for them?

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    I don't need the range so far so I haven't looked for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Thanks for the comment. On a scale of 1 to 10 how noticeable do you find the change to 170mm? Just something you notice on the steepest climbs?
    Hard to say as I changed cranks, chainring and frame all at the same time. I don't think it's greatly noticeable though, but when you're at the limit of your lowest gear the sight loss of leverage is most apparent. I'm more of a 'sit and spin' kinda guy though.

    11-42 is fine for 98% of my local riding, it's just that one steep steady climb that is still a challenge (gotta ride it more to build up some leg strength!). Those Sunrace cassettes look good though, a friend just bought a 11-40 10 speed one and they look well made as well as well priced. I'd love the E13 wide range one, bit for me it's too pricey for a consumable part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    If you are running 11 speed and Shimano, OneUp has your answer with a 47t cog. Gives you a nice 5t jump between the top three gears (37-42-47).

    https://www.oneupcomponents.com/prod...r-shimano-1x11
    42-47 is such a huge jump. i wonder how it shifts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    That is also an option yes. Those cassettes aren't easy to find without ordering from Europe I've found. Do you have local source for them?
    The 46T and 50t ones should be hitting the US soonish. We have a couple on order.
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    A 5 tooth jump is huge? Considering the new Shimano 11-46t goes 32-37-46 (thats a 9 tooth jump) with good results this will not be a problem. In fact it spaces the last four shifts out perfectly in five tooth jumps (32-37-42-47).
    Not to mention OneUp already has the Shark which goes from 42-50 (8 tooth jump). Granted it needs a new cage to work, but it still works and quite well from what I have seen.

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    Well it looks like I won't be joining the KNation after all. The bikes I was looking at was the Warden and the Bronson. The Warden and the particularly the carbon Warden is one sharp looking bike and I think I would have been very happy on eit
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    I'm a bit stoked to try a new cockpit on the Endo. Wider 785mm bars and 50mm stem vs,. 720mm bars and 65mm stem on the Mach 6. I ride tight forest trails so the wider bars may get cut down, but I figure start wide and see what I think.



    Going to try the 50mm stem, but I do have a 65mm stem I can use if I decide a little more reach to the bars is desirable.



    Although I have done well with Reverbs over the years I am excited to not have that terrible remote on this bike. Once I am sure I love this rig I'll order up a 9point8 dropper, which also has an ergonomic remote and the CB Joplin 4 will be my back up post.



    Shimano XT was such a good deal I grabbed both brakes and 11 speed shifter so I could get a nice clean bar setup. My Mach 6 had Shimano brakes and SRAM shifter + Reverb remote and it was a bit F-Ugly to be honest.



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    Love it. Looks so clean
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Love it. Looks so clean
    Thanks! Snow is melted in my yard even if it's not gone from the mountains quite yet. I need to get onto the suspension setup next.
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    Gotta say for just a stem that Raceface Atlas has some sweet graphics.
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    Looking good!!

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    Nice looking bike Vik. I predict you are going to like the wide bar and short stem.
    I have had a 150mm 9.8 Fall Line dropper on my Warden for almost a year. It's been very reliable and I am super happy with it.

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