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    Mind = blown.

    Check out this Podium build from Err over at Sicklines: link

    I mean seriously, wow.
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    Wow 33 lbs - that's the lightest I ever got my Delirium with Racing Ralph tires and Monarch RT3.

    It is a sick build!

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    Well thanks much, glad you enjoyed it. More to come...

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    As usual, a pedestrian Err bike build!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme View Post
    As usual, a pedestrian Err bike build!

    And you know he built this up with stuff out of his "spare parts bin."

    Seriously, great build, look forward to your ride review and further thoughts.

    One thing I'd be interested in is if you feel that with a weight that low, if it starts to be detrimental on a DH rig. I read somewhere a few months ago where the DH bikes were starting to be capable of such light weights, they started to deflect off stuff too much and almost feel like a ping pong ball in a rock garden, etc.

    I've no idea if that is the case, but I can see it being a possibility.
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    Wow, and here I was stoked to end up at 33 pounds for my Chilcotin! That looks sweet!

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    rscecil007 -
    It is rather amusing to ride a 33lb DH bike, will expand on this topic more in Part 2. Both of my current DH sleds are right around the 33 lb mark and it's just lovely.

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    Whatz up man? I got 0 ride time in Bellingham this last trip, actually got super sick right after we rolled into town. Did manage and good swim and some cliff hucking at Whatcom falls. And then I spent the next few days in bed and puking Next year we gotta make an effort to get out again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kristian View Post
    Wow, and here I was stoked to end up at 33 pounds for my Chilcotin! That looks sweet!
    That's exactly what I was thinking.

    Wow. Incredible build.

    I'm interested in what the possible disadvantages are for a very light DH rig as well. I know my 275 lb 525exc plowed through whoops and chunk better and felt much more in control in that kind of stuff than my 220 lb two-stroke 250 back in my desert racing days but have no idea if the same holds for DH bikes....or if all that advantage could be attributed to the extra weight.
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    Are 2.35" tires the new thing. I spoke to a couple of racers at Ski Bowl last year and they said they only ran 2.35 tires.

    Is this something that a lot of racers are doing now? If so, I wonder where I can find those HD supergravity tires. Headed up to WBP this weekend and might give them a shot. Currently using 2.5 DHR and 2.5 DHR II. I have regular HD on my Chilcotin.
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    nice one... black/green looks awesome.

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    Mind = blown.

    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought View Post
    Are 2.35" tires the new thing. I spoke to a couple of racers at Ski Bowl last year and they said they only ran 2.35 tires.

    Is this something that a lot of racers are doing now? If so, I wonder where I can find those HD supergravity tires. Headed up to WBP this weekend and might give them a shot. Currently using 2.5 DHR and 2.5 DHR II. I have regular HD on my Chilcotin.
    In talking to a couple locals, Trail Kings seem to be in in 2.4...

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    rdhfreethought -
    2.35 HD's are quite large and similar to 2.5's from many mfgs. I really like the HD's in the dry at Whistler, vertstar front, trail rear. They're not a great tire in the wet though. DHR's are going to treat you better if it's a little wet.

    krob -
    I hear ya. I've had a few 450's and now a 250 2-stroke, certainly a difference. That said, motor position and gyroscopic effect of motor internals plays a huge role in the stability feeling on a moto, it's not just overall weight. We don't really have equivalent factors on MTBs.

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    Just curious to see where you think you saved all of your weight?

    I run the DHF's with DH tubes and Saint Cranks, but other than that my bike seems to be the same? My fork is even lighter.

    Mine weighs in at 38.5 and yours is sub 33!? 5 - 6 lbs in tires and cranks? Seat and post? Cassette? Just puzzles me...
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    Dom -
    Tires, tubes (or lack of), and cranks add up to a bunch of weight, easily 3-4 lbs right there. Beyond that, there's and air shock and lots of carbon in this build.

    It could have been a fair bit lighter with I9 Torch or DT 240s hubs, carbon rims, 6spd cassette, full ti bolt kit, etc.

    It is really interesting how much lighter "full strength" components have become in the past few seasons.

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    Not adding up????

    Podium (M) = Same
    Saint Brakes = Same
    CCDB Air = Same
    Fox Float 40 – 2714g
    Boxxer WC – 2700g = Wash
    DHF – 2340g
    HD – 1890 = - 450g
    Tubes = -580g
    Saints – 918g
    SixC – 650 = -268g
    Chromag Saddle/Elite Post – 300 + 228
    Race Face – 346 = -182g
    Cassette – 299g
    1090 OG – 155g = -145g
    Chromag OSX Bars – 310g
    RF SixC Bars – 220g = -110g
    I9’s Enduro Rims vs. DH Rims = -100g
    Stan’s and Tape =+100g of rotational weight
    Point1 Podiums – 359g
    Straitline Ti AMP – 272g = -87g
    E13 LG+1 – 179g
    MRP G3 Carbon – 90g = -89g

    = -1911g which equals 4.21 pounds

    This would put you over 34lbs. unless I have an extra heavy Podium!?

    The only other thing I can think of is that I’m off on the wheels. Maybe heavier tubes, tires and Wheels vs. what they have said.

    I know you weighed it and it is what it is…just trying to figure it out.

    BTW…chain and cassette combo near $500?????? I thought I had a problem!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominator13 View Post
    BTW…chain and cassette combo near $500?????? I thought I had a problem!
    Yeah, I saw that black chain, googled and snarfed. I gotta figure out how to write off bikes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominator13 View Post
    I know you weighed it and it is what it is…just trying to figure it out.

    BTW…chain and cassette combo near $500?????? I thought I had a problem!
    Heh, have you weighed yours on an accurate scale? Are you certain of your actual weight? I have 3 scales so that I can keep track that I'm not off.

    I wouldn't recommend obsessing about the last few grams but the Atlas saddle and SIXC post is a lot lighter than your combo. Rims could be easily more like 200g dep on which rims you have and how much they actually weighed (I see a lot of variance here). Even the seatpost clamp can be + or - 30g. It all adds up.

    Please stop reminding me about the cassette and chain ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Err View Post
    ebx -
    Whatz up man? I got 0 ride time in Bellingham this last trip, actually got super sick right after we rolled into town. Did manage and good swim and some cliff hucking at Whatcom falls. And then I spent the next few days in bed and puking Next year we gotta make an effort to get out again.
    Bummer about getting sick, that doesn't sound fun at all. OTOH, I've been off the bike for 6 weeks with a broken collarbone, so it's all relative!

    Those falls are often a part of my ride to/from the trails nowadays as we live on the other side of the park....well, .4 miles from it at least. Nice to take a dip as part of my lunch loop!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Err View Post

    I wouldn't recommend obsessing
    Haha - it has only just started. Seed planted, miracle grow has already been naturally added, so we shall see what happens.....it is fun to watch

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    How low could you go?!?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by Err View Post
    It could have been a fair bit lighter with I9 Torch or DT 240s hubs, carbon rims, 6spd cassette, full ti bolt kit, etc.
    Do you think you make it sub 30 lbs without ruining it's functionality? That would be mind blowing (and wallet blowing)!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    Do you think you make it sub 30 lbs without ruining it's functionality? That would be mind blowing (and wallet blowing)!
    Depends on how you qualify it's functionality but as a DH race bike capable of winning, I don't think you could go more than maybe another 1 lb lighter without compromises with current technology.

    I'll be we'll be able to return to this discussion in a few years and laugh a little once the carbon Podium is on the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfredo View Post
    nice one... black/green looks awesome.
    I think so too! (Shameless photo drop...) Canyons UT on my way up for some fun.

    Mind = blown.-podium-gondola.jpg

    Mine's light, but not 33lb light. I like a heavier bike actually for the planted, snowplow feel. I agree the featured bike in this thread is a sick build.

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    i got my podium to 35lbs, with 180mm bos ndee fork, the fork is arround 3kg, i could drop it to 34lbs with a idylle air sc, (2.5kg). i was happy with my build, and its only a few pounds heavier than my endo lol, at 30lbs, and i was aiming for a super light build with that bike,
    nice build by the way,,, the anno looks awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzalot View Post
    I think so too! (Shameless photo drop...) Canyons UT on my way up for some fun.

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    Mine's light, but not 33lb light. I like a heavier bike actually for the planted, snowplow feel. I agree the featured bike in this thread is a sick build.
    how did you get green decals on there..how did you do that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    i got my podium to 35lbs, with 180mm bos ndee fork, the fork is arround 3kg, i could drop it to 34lbs with a idylle air sc, (2.5kg). i was happy with my build, and its only a few pounds heavier than my endo lol, at 30lbs, and i was aiming for a super light build with that bike,
    nice build by the way,,, the anno looks awesome.
    I get receipt of my podium frame in 2 weeks
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