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    Lapierre Spicy 516 or Knolly Chilcotin

    Okay, time for me to do this, but a harder decision ive never made (not for along time anyway).

    Ive spent two months researching bikes, specs, sizes, reviews and test rides. I wasnt in a hurry

    ..and in the process i've eliminated the following:

    2013 Specialised Enduro Comp (got third place)
    2013 Commencal Meta SX VIP (toptube too short in M)
    2013 IBIS Mojo HD (too common and cant see how it would descend any better than the others)
    2013 SC Nomad Carbon (toptube too short in M)

    and the shortlist is now:

    2013 Lapierre Spicy 516 or the 2013 Knolly Chilcotin (custom build)

    price wise, i discovered the knolly would cost me a few hundred bucks more but the build would all be parts i wanted. so price is not problem.

    Both the Spicy and the Chilcotin tick all my boxes and are both an exact size match for me, and coincidentaly but not suprisingly, in a Medium size, their geo is almost identical.

    My riding varies alot. Some trail centre riding, some off piste light freeride, bike park grade downhill tracks and the infamous Fort William DH world cup track. So, needless to say the bike has to be an all rounder, and TOUGH.

    So any thoughts on how to go forward as ive demo'd the spicy but there is nowehere in Scotland to demo the Chilcotin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchcr View Post
    Okay, time for me to do this, but a harder decision ive never made (not for along time anyway).

    Ive spent two months researching bikes, specs, sizes, reviews and test rides. I wasnt in a hurry

    ..and in the process i've eliminated the following:

    2013 Specialised Enduro Comp (got third place)
    2013 Commencal Meta SX VIP (toptube too short in M)
    2013 IBIS Mojo HD (too common and cant see how it would descend any better than the others)
    2013 SC Nomad Carbon (seat tube too long in M)

    and the shortlist is now:

    2013 Lapierre Spicy 516 or the 2013 Knolly Chilcotin (custom build)

    price wise, i discovered the knolly would cost me a few hundred bucks more but the build would all be parts i wanted. so price is not problem.

    Both the Spicy and the Chilcotin tick all my boxes and are both an exact size match for me, and coincidentaly but not suprisingly, in a Medium size, their geo is almost identical.

    My riding varies alot. Some trail centre riding, some off piste light freeride, bike park grade downhill tracks and the infamous Fort William DH world cup track. So, needless to say the bike has to be an all rounder, and TOUGH.

    So any thoughts on how to go forward as ive demo'd the spicy but there is nowehere in Scotland to demo the Chilcotin.
    I can't comment on the Spicy, I've never seen one, or even looked at their bikes. It seems as though you have done a bunch of research, and I would go with your gut feeling. I personally prefer to build my bikes as to be sure I get everything I want.

    A quick glance and it seems the Spicy is a Horst Link bike which is nice. The 4x4 take it to another level. Incredible traction, responsiveness, and comfort. If you like the feel of the Horst Link bikes, you will definitely like the 4x4, as it does everything better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    I can't comment on the Spicy, I've never seen one, or even looked at their bikes. It seems as though you have done a bunch of research, and I would go with your gut feeling. I personally prefer to build my bikes as to be sure I get everything I want.

    A quick glance and it seems the Spicy is a Horst Link bike which is nice. The 4x4 take it to another level. Incredible traction, responsiveness, and comfort. If you like the feel of the Horst Link bikes, you will definitely like the 4x4, as it does everything better.
    Okay thats quite interesting. Is there anything youve seen that i could read that compares these two types of suspensions with respect to the type of riding i'll be doing? or is this opinion based on riding other horst link type bikes?

    I guess i have only one other thing to determine...spare parts: The lapierre is an easy one over here (with France next door and only using 4 standard bearings). The Chilcotin however uses alot of bearings. Theres also the issue of breaking long non-3D rocker bolts.

    Say I was to buy the 3D rocker when it comes out and a full set of spare bearings (im planning to keep this bike for 3 years min)...how much is this going to cost and who are the main dealers of these parts.

    Incidently, this is the mother of all builds i am considering:

    Frame 2013 Knolly Chil-co-tin (Medium) with RP23
    Forks 2013 Lyrik RC2DH Solo Air 170mm (Post Disk Mount)
    Headset 2013 Cane Creek 40 Inset lower cup (1.5 to 1/1/8)
    Saddle 2013 WTB Silverado Team Saddle Ti rails
    Brakes 2013 Shimano XT M780 180mm F&R (Frame IS Mount)
    Chainset 2013 Race Face Turbine 10 Speed (24-36) 170mm arms 73mm BB
    Cassette 2013 Shimano XT M780 10 speed (11-36)
    Shifters 2013 SRAM X0 10spd (Black with Red bits)
    Rear Mech 2013 SRAM X0 Type 2 10spd Mid Cage (Black with Red bits)
    Front Mech 2013 Shimano XT FD-M785-E2 (direct mount)
    Chain 2013 KMC X10 SL 10 Speed
    Grips 2013 Lizard Skins Northshore - Red Locking Collars
    Bars 2013 Race Face SIXC (Red) 725 wide
    Stem 2013 Race Face Atlas 65mm 1.1/8
    Tyres 2013 Both Minion DHF 2.35
    Wheels 2013 DT Swiss 5.1 / FR6.1 440hubs
    Pedals 2013 Superstar Ultra Mag CNC Pedals (Black with Red Pins)
    Seat Collar 2013 KCNC 34.9mm QR
    Seatpost 2013 Easton EA70 Seatpost 31.6 x 350

    28.4lbs

    which will go upto 28.7 with a CCDB

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchcr View Post
    Okay thats quite interesting. Is there anything youve seen that i could read that compares these two types of suspensions with respect to the type of riding i'll be doing? or is this opinion based on riding other horst link type bikes?

    I guess i have only one other thing to determine...spare parts: The lapierre is an easy one over here (with France next door and only using 4 standard bearings). The Chilcotin however uses alot of bearings. Theres also the issue of breaking long non-3D rocker bolts.

    Say I was to buy the 3D rocker when it comes out and a full set of spare bearings (im planning to keep this bike for 3 years min)...how much is this going to cost and who are the main dealers of these parts.

    Incidently, this is the mother of all builds i am considering:

    Frame 2013 Knolly Chil-co-tin (Medium) with RP23
    Forks 2013 Lyrik RC2DH Solo Air 170mm (Post Disk Mount)
    Headset 2013 Cane Creek 40 Inset lower cup (1.5 to 1/1/8)
    Saddle 2013 WTB Silverado Team Saddle Ti rails
    Brakes 2013 Shimano XT M780 180mm F&R (Frame IS Mount)
    Chainset 2013 Race Face Turbine 10 Speed (24-36) 170mm arms 73mm BB
    Cassette 2013 Shimano XT M780 10 speed (11-36)
    Shifters 2013 SRAM X0 10spd (Black with Red bits)
    Rear Mech 2013 SRAM X0 Type 2 10spd Mid Cage (Black with Red bits)
    Front Mech 2013 Shimano XT FD-M785-E2 (direct mount)
    Chain 2013 KMC X10 SL 10 Speed
    Grips 2013 Lizard Skins Northshore - Red Locking Collars
    Bars 2013 Race Face SIXC (Red) 725 wide
    Stem 2013 Race Face Atlas 65mm 1.1/8
    Tyres 2013 Both Minion DHF 2.35
    Wheels 2013 DT Swiss 5.1 / FR6.1 440hubs
    Pedals 2013 Superstar Ultra Mag CNC Pedals (Black with Red Pins)
    Seat Collar 2013 KCNC 34.9mm QR
    Seatpost 2013 Easton EA70 Seatpost 31.6 x 350

    28.4lbs

    which will go upto 28.7 with a CCDB
    Never heard of the Spicy myself. Looks like a fun bike. Very simliar specs to the Chilly. You'll be hard pressed to find someone who has ridden both. You're probably going to have to go out on a limb with the Chilly. Trust me you won't be disappointed. I've owned 4 Knolly's and haven't test ridden any of them.

    True not all HL bikes ride the same but the good ones do ride very similar. Like TI said the 4x4 is a progressions of HL. I've ridden pretty much all of the designs out there and HL is my 2nd favorite to the 4x4.

    Yes, some of the bolts on the non-3d rockers have had some problems. Mine, however, have been fine. I believe CC and Fox make an axle reducer thing that supposed to be a stronger interface. I'm going to get one of those myself.

    I wouldn't sweat the bearings. Knolly uses top shelf bearings and everything is put together to minimize the wear on them. I live in the Boston, MA area and our winter rides involve snow/slushy crap. I've ridden my Delirium for 3 seasons w/very little if any maintenance and the bearings are still cranking along.

    I can testify that the Chilly is one tough bike. Me and my buds have been hammering ours on all sorts of terrain. Coming from a Delirium (Knolly's bigger brother) I can honesty say that the Chilly is just as capable w/o the extra weight.

    btw,
    Your weights are a little off. With your build I'd expect the Chilly to be around 30 to 31 lbs.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchcr View Post
    Okay, time for me to do this, but a harder decision ive never made (not for along time anyway).

    Ive spent two months researching bikes, specs, sizes, reviews and test rides. I wasnt in a hurry

    ..and in the process i've eliminated the following:

    2013 Specialised Enduro Comp (got third place)
    2013 Commencal Meta SX VIP (toptube too short in M)
    2013 IBIS Mojo HD (too common and cant see how it would descend any better than the others)
    2013 SC Nomad Carbon (seat tube too long in M)

    and the shortlist is now:

    2013 Lapierre Spicy 516 or the 2013 Knolly Chilcotin (custom build)

    price wise, i discovered the knolly would cost me a few hundred bucks more but the build would all be parts i wanted. so price is not problem.

    Both the Spicy and the Chilcotin tick all my boxes and are both an exact size match for me, and coincidentaly but not suprisingly, in a Medium size, their geo is almost identical.

    My riding varies alot. Some trail centre riding, some off piste light freeride, bike park grade downhill tracks and the infamous Fort William DH world cup track. So, needless to say the bike has to be an all rounder, and TOUGH.

    So any thoughts on how to go forward as ive demo'd the spicy but there is nowehere in Scotland to demo the Chilcotin.
    I demoed a Lapierre when I was in Wales and came away really impressed. Peddled well and controlled. I have only spent a few minutes on a knolly, and this was the old Endo. That had a more similar FSR type feel but felt solid. My feeling is that if you want TOUGH, the Knolly is your bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    I demoed a Lapierre when I was in Wales and came away really impressed. Peddled well and controlled. I have only spent a few minutes on a knolly, and this was the old Endo. That had a more similar FSR type feel but felt solid. My feeling is that if you want TOUGH, the Knolly is your bike.
    Yes they are both excellent bikes, no doubt about that. The lapierre with a CCDB is a formidable oponent.

    It sounds the bearings might be a once in the bikes lifetime change (i.e. who keeps the same bike for more than 4-5 years, not many and not me), which takes that out of the equation. Also the lapierre is plenty tough, just look at the tubes where they connect to the headtube, its burly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyak View Post

    1) Never heard of the Spicy myself.


    2) Yes, some of the bolts on the non-3d rockers have had some problems. Mine, however, have been fine. I believe CC and Fox make an axle reducer thing that supposed to be a stronger interface. I'm going to get one of those myself.


    3) btw, Your weights are a little off. With your build I'd expect the Chilly to be around 30 to 31 lbs.

    Good luck!
    1) Its because theres a patent argument with a manufacturer in the states (cant remember which one at the mo), so they are not allowed to sell them over your way. But they are HUGE in Europe. As big as Spesh and Trek here in terms of popularity.

    2) What is this axle reducer thing, got a link?

    3) Probably, i did go to manufacturers websites for it all though, so cant be too far off. I expect 30lbs, which is fine by me. The Lapierre is 13kg (~28.5lb), but id be changing the 34 floats for the Lyrics in the build above, and the CTD float shock for a CCDB later.

    Cheers!

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    FWIW this is my medium chilcotin build:

    Frame 2013 Knolly Chil-co-tin (Medium) with CCDB air
    Forks 2013 Fox Float 160mm
    Headset 2013 Cane Creek 40 Inset lower cup (1.5 to 1/1/8)
    Saddle WTB
    Brakes Shimano XTR 180mm F&R (Frame IS Mount)
    Chainset Shimano SLX (24-36) 175mm arms 73mm BB
    Cassette SRAM XG1080 10 speed (11-36)
    Shifters SRAM X0 10spd
    Rear Mech SRAM X0 Type 2 10spd Mid Cage
    Front Mech 2013 Shimano XTR F-E2 (direct mount)
    Chain KMC X10 SL 10 Speed
    Grips Lizard Skins
    Bars Analog Carbon
    Stem Thomson 70mm
    Tyres Schwalbe Hans Dampf (front) Nobby Nic (rear)
    Wheels Industry 9 w DT 5.1rims
    Pedals Point one podium
    Seat Collar Thomson
    Seatpost KS I950

    Bike weight is 31.2LBS

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchcr View Post
    1) Its because theres a patent argument with a manufacturer in the states (cant remember which one at the mo), so they are not allowed to sell them over your way. But they are HUGE in Europe. As big as Spesh and Trek here in terms of popularity.

    2) What is this axle reducer thing, got a link?

    3) Probably, i did go to manufacturers websites for it all though, so cant be too far off. I expect 30lbs, which is fine by me. The Lapierre is 13kg (~28.5lb), but id be changing the 34 floats for the Lyrics in the build above, and the CTD float shock for a CCDB later.

    Cheers!
    1) Makes sense. Gotta be something with Spesh since they own the HL patent.
    2) No link. Noel told me about it when I was begging him for a 3D rocker. He told me to call Cane Creek and ask for a "stainless steel 41.2mm x M6 stainless steel axle". I haven't got around to doing it.
    3) I'd expect 31 lbs. for the Chilly. I'd compare frame weights for the 2. If the Lapierre was a pound or so lighter than the Chilly I'd be concerned about frame strength.

    Good idea on dumping the 34. Those things are for light trail bikes not the kind of bikes we ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    FWIW this is my medium chilcotin build:

    Frame 2013 Knolly Chil-co-tin (Medium) with CCDB air
    Forks 2013 Fox Float 160mm
    Headset 2013 Cane Creek 40 Inset lower cup (1.5 to 1/1/8)
    Saddle WTB
    Brakes Shimano XTR 180mm F&R (Frame IS Mount)
    Chainset Shimano SLX (24-36) 175mm arms 73mm BB
    Cassette SRAM XG1080 10 speed (11-36)
    Shifters SRAM X0 10spd
    Rear Mech SRAM X0 Type 2 10spd Mid Cage
    Front Mech 2013 Shimano XTR F-E2 (direct mount)
    Chain KMC X10 SL 10 Speed
    Grips Lizard Skins
    Bars Analog Carbon
    Stem Thomson 70mm
    Tyres Schwalbe Hans Dampf (front) Nobby Nic (rear)
    Wheels Industry 9 w DT 5.1rims
    Pedals Point one podium
    Seat Collar Thomson
    Seatpost KS I950

    Bike weight is 31.2LBS
    nice one, very similar, your chainset tyres cassette are heavier than what i put above, and these are where id always try to save weight first. most people miss the cassette because its not bling. probably alot of your other parts are 5, 10g less here and there and dont make much difference to weight.

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    On the subject of tires, remember the 2.35 single ply DHF, is tiny (measures around 2.15) and for the weight, just so-so for durability. For the Chilcotin a 2.5 Maxxis, or 2.35-2.4 Continental/Schwalbe, would be my preferred choice. If you are doing more trail riding, you may find a High Roller in the rear is a better tire.

    Either way you shouldnt have too much trouble getting to 30 lbs, if you shave grams here and there. Mine was 29lbs with the Hans Dampf, 30 and 8 oz with a dropper post (Large raw frame). Make sure you post it up when finished!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought View Post
    On the subject of tires, remember the 2.35 single ply DHF, is tiny (measures around 2.15) and for the weight, just so-so for durability. For the Chilcotin a 2.5 Maxxis, or 2.35-2.4 Continental/Schwalbe, would be my preferred choice. If you are doing more trail riding, you may find a High Roller in the rear is a better tire.

    Either way you shouldnt have too much trouble getting to 30 lbs, if you shave grams here and there. Mine was 29lbs with the Hans Dampf, 30 and 8 oz with a dropper post (Large raw frame). Make sure you post it up when finished!
    29-30lb is as low a bike of this type needs to be to climb well enough. So no problems there.

    Fully agree with your tyre choice, ive also found that two really great rear tyres for our 'stoney' terrain and year round mixed weather conditions are the Ardent and the Rampage by Panaracer, both have worked flawlessly for me. The ardent is the lightest of the two, but the Panaracer Rampage is one tough piece of rubber. I had two of them for 2 years and still managed to sell them on ebay with almost full tread on them. The new version of the Rampage with the puncture resistance must be great.

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    Don't waste time w/ air suspension......you'll have incredible traction and a bike you can just ride w/ the Knolly.
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    I can't give you a direct comparison for the Chilcotin and the spicy but I do own a 2010 Delirium and have ridden a Spicy and a Froggy on some of the same trails.

    I thought both Lappieres rode very well with the Froggy being more of a match to the Delirium for the downhill but couldn't climb anywhere near as well as the Knolly. the spicy felt good but lacked the solid feeling of the other two and whilst it felt quite lively I still feel the Delirium climbs better in terms of overall grip.

    I was debating on getting a lighter bike awhile ago and the only bike I think I'd get is the Chilcotin, I haven't ridden one but am on my second Knolly and am pretty much stuck to the brand now, everything else I try just isn't quite as good....

    Oh yeah, as for spares, Knolly UK have proved pretty good for me in the past, I got a full bearing/bolt set in a little over a week shipped over from Canada, just to have as a back up, although after two and a half years of riding the Delirium the original bearings are in perfect condition and i haven't had to replace a single one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    Don't waste time w/ air suspension......you'll have incredible traction and a bike you can just ride w/ the Knolly.
    Even Honda is going to air suspension on their 2013 CRF450R motoX bikes. Knolly bicycles do come with air suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastshorebiker View Post
    Even Honda is going to air suspension on their 2013 CRF450R motoX bikes. Knolly bicycles do come with air suspension.
    I'm already getting KTM.
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    @frenchcr, Ive tested 2011/2012 Spicies and well as Zesties several days in Alps, equipped mostly by Fox suspensions. Have Chilly now and owned few horst-link frames before Knolly, inclucing one Nicolai. Here`s my 2cents; Lapierres are one of those best horst-link frames available, no question. Ill prefer their suspension action far better than any Specialized or Trek. Liteville is only one hl-frame in same category Ive tested, imo.

    My option was Chilly. If only comparing suspension behaviour, Lapierres and Knollys are totally different. Using good enough fork / shock tuned not only by frame, but also by rider, you can build both working fine. Still they are different; there`s no such an shock or tune, which can mimic perfectly activity 4x4 offers - linkage ratio curve in the latter third of travel makes the difference- `pierres are more "easy" and somehow lazy.... Im not saying which is better, it`s all about personal preferences.

    And do not worry about (too) many linkage pivots or too long bolts there. Pivots and bearings in my chilly are now, after 15 months and >600 riding hours like new ones, within same period I renewed all bearings to my handmade German boutique-frame 3 times. And there are not many snapped Knolly frames, but Ive seen two Spicy-frames (one carbon 916 and one al-frame, probably 516?) snapping during the ride, in real life.

    btw: your build seems to be nice, but are you sure about calculated weight? But pick DB Air instead of RP23

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    frenchcr, John at Knolly UK had some demo bikes, might be worth giving him a ring. The Chili is my second Knolly and I have had no reliability problems with either. The finish and build quality is very good and up there with the best. The distributor is also very helpful.

    Like you I prefer HL bikes and I have owned several Nicolai's in the past. Knolly and Nicolai both ride really nice. For me I would have short listed the Nicolai Ion 16 or Liteville 601 Mk2 as possible alternatives to the Chilcotin, but I'm not sure that I would swap. I really like the feel of the 4 x 4 when it's set up with a really good shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    Don't waste time w/ air suspension......you'll have incredible traction and a bike you can just ride w/ the Knolly.
    Hi im not sure what you mean can you explain thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    frenchcr, John at Knolly UK had some demo bikes, might be worth giving him a ring. The Chili is my second Knolly and I have had no reliability problems with either. The finish and build quality is very good and up there with the best. The distributor is also very helpful.

    Like you I prefer HL bikes and I have owned several Nicolai's in the past. Knolly and Nicolai both ride really nice. For me I would have short listed the Nicolai Ion 16 or Liteville 601 Mk2 as possible alternatives to the Chilcotin, but I'm not sure that I would swap. I really like the feel of the 4 x 4 when it's set up with a really good shock.
    the loamranger . I did email John too but hes only got a large on demo at the moment.

    When you read the... Knolly Chilcotin: Build Information, Photos and Set-up Thread ....is clear as day that the CCDB Air is well worth the money. Lots of mention of Avalanche aswell but i couldnt see how that would be a viable option after shipping and import tax. Nevertheless, we have Bos with their Vipr and 170mm Deville combo, which on the Chilcotin results in a light and stiff setup....also surf sales in the uk is going to start distributing BOS / servicing them this month. Ultimately the jurys still out for me on a forks shock combo i'd have to ride both of the above for a couple of weeks...proof is in the pudding...

    Where in the UK have you been riding the Chili ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by travo View Post

    I thought both Lappieres rode very well with the Froggy being more of a match to the Delirium for the downhill but couldn't climb anywhere near as well as the Knolly. the spicy felt good but lacked the solid feeling of the other two and whilst it felt quite lively I still feel the Delirium climbs better in terms of overall grip.


    Oh yeah, as for spares, Knolly UK have proved pretty good for me in the past, I got a full bearing/bolt set in a little over a week shipped over from Canada, just to have as a back up, although after two and a half years of riding the Delirium the original bearings are in perfect condition and i haven't had to replace a single one.
    The froggy is a poor climber. Ive rode one of the too. Its not in the same league as the zesty and spicy for sure.

    How much did the bearing bolt set cost then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchcr View Post
    the loamranger . I did email John too but hes only got a large on demo at the moment.

    When you read the... Knolly Chilcotin: Build Information, Photos and Set-up Thread ....is clear as day that the CCDB Air is well worth the money. Lots of mention of Avalanche aswell but i couldnt see how that would be a viable option after shipping and import tax. Nevertheless, we have Bos with their Vipr and 170mm Deville combo, which on the Chilcotin results in a light and stiff setup....also surf sales in the uk is going to start distributing BOS / servicing them this month. Ultimately the jurys still out for me on a forks shock combo i'd have to ride both of the above for a couple of weeks...proof is in the pudding...

    Where in the UK have you been riding the Chili ??
    Wales and SE England.

    You should be able to buy the Chili as a frame only option so you could go BOS both ends.

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    this is another great euro bike (well, its german to be specific) to feast your eyes on folks on the westside of the pond:

    2013 Dirt 100: YT Wicked 160 TLD

    awesome, but just not my thing this time round.



    As an update on my minds eye with regard to the original question, the scales have tipped 60 / 40 towards the Chilcotin.

    Can someone explain what a really active suspension is when its at home? and how it changes the ride characteristics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchcr View Post
    the loamranger . I did email John too but hes only got a large on demo at the moment.

    When you read the... Knolly Chilcotin: Build Information, Photos and Set-up Thread ....is clear as day that the CCDB Air is well worth the money. Lots of mention of Avalanche aswell but i couldnt see how that would be a viable option after shipping and import tax. Nevertheless, we have Bos with their Vipr and 170mm Deville combo, which on the Chilcotin results in a light and stiff setup....also surf sales in the uk is going to start distributing BOS / servicing them this month. Ultimately the jurys still out for me on a forks shock combo i'd have to ride both of the above for a couple of weeks...proof is in the pudding...

    Where in the UK have you been riding the Chili ??
    Wales and SE England.

    You should be able to buy the Chili as a frame only option so you could go BOS both ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchcr View Post
    The froggy is a poor climber. Ive rode one of the too. Its not in the same league as the zesty and spicy for sure.

    How much did the bearing bolt set cost then?
    The full set ended up costing the best part of a 100 which wasn't as much as they originally wanted but still a bit damn steep. To be fair it did contain every single bearing and fastner/fixing (and there are quite a few of them) for the frame including replacement shock bolts.
    I'm pretty sure though you'd have no problem finding the bearings elsewhere as they all seem to be standard size's, but like i said earlier I'm on my second knolly, the first being a Vtach i owned for several years which is still being riden by a mate and it's bearings are still going strong, so I don't think you'll have any worries with them.

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