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    knolly WARDEN

    looks like a knolly has sprouted some 650b legs. similar specs. to the chilcotin. via their facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Knolly-Bikes/38803056687

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    Yessssss

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    Nice! Seat angle?

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    travel? 150mm?
    looks nice, but as we like the chili, this shouldn't be surprising.

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    A geo chart would be really cool

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    Knolly warden

    Hmm... Snappy dune buggy like Endo or sure footed Rock Crawler like Chili?

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    The asylum has a new boss! Looking great, congrats Knolly. Any additional details on the geo? Shock size?

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    I really love those numbers... niiiiice bike...

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    First Look: Knolly Warden - Eurobike 2013 - Pinkbike

    Pinkbike just posted this up!

    It looks nice, although I'd never buy a 650b frame.

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    Where are the geo charts? I sure hope for a rather steep seat angle...

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    Let the "I ordered mine back in September and havent received it yet" threads begin!

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    Looks good. Looks like the perfect one bike solution.
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    Bonzoo... I'm guessing that based on Noels design evolution since the Delirium T (super slacked out STA) to the new chili, the STA will be similar to Endo and Chili, which is to say, very ridable even with a ton of Seatpost out...

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    Titatinium pivot hardware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    What are the frame weights of the Chili and Endo with a CTD shock? (Not sure the frame size for which the 6.75 lbs is quoted in the pic.)



    BTW, this is an engineering question as well as a weight weenie question (i.e. "don't worry about it" answers won't help).
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    I'm curious what the leverage curve does, wondering if it falls right in between the Endo and Chili? Not quite as snappy and efficient as the Endo, but more pedal friendly than the Chili...

    Great looking rig. I'm sure the wait list has already begun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thefriar View Post
    Bonzoo... I'm guessing that based on Noels design evolution since the Delirium T (super slacked out STA) to the new chili, the STA will be similar to Endo and Chili, which is to say, very ridable even with a ton of Seatpost out...
    Ok... I will be at the Tri-Cycle booth on Saturday and ask them about the geometry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    I'm curious what the leverage curve does, wondering if it falls right in between the Endo and Chili? Not quite as snappy and efficient as the Endo, but more pedal friendly than the Chili...

    Great looking rig. I'm sure the wait list has already begun.
    My GUESS: it will fall more towards the Endo's leverage curve as the larger contact patch and the "roll over junk easier" ability of a larger tire would help bring those Chili characteristics to an Endo leverage curve. (At least that's what I'm hoping. I want it all in one bike!)
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    I would really love that bike, I would be considering a 650b bike as my next one, and I don't expect to change my bike anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    My GUESS: it will fall more towards the Endo's leverage curve as the larger contact patch and the "roll over junk easier" ability of a larger tire would help bring those Chili characteristics to an Endo leverage curve. (At least that's what I'm hoping. I want it all in one bike!)
    That would be my guess as well. The tubing is Endo based with a beefier downtube. I would think since it is geared towards Enduro, it would be based more on the Endo.
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    I agree with both of you as well. They might as well have called this thing the "quiver killer," b/c that sure as hell is what it's sounding like.

    6.75 lbs with a Fox CTD, that's most likely a medium. Anyone know what a medium Endo weighs with the same shock, for comparison?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    I agree with both of you as well. They might as well have called this thing the "quiver killer," b/c that sure as hell is what it's sounding like.

    6.75 lbs with a Fox CTD, that's most likely a medium. Anyone know what a medium Endo weighs with the same shock, for comparison?
    I see it as a great one bike solution, but 2 26ers are always better than one 650B.
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    so fox is only offering a 15mm thru axle 34mm stantion fork? i still dont like that compared to 20mm axle and 36mm stantions on 26" bikes. i dont see hw it will replace an endo and a chilcotin with one bike. it will be a compromise just like building a light chili ir heavy endo

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefriar View Post
    Titatinium pivot hardware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Chilcotin and endorphin too? let me know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by graypaw View Post
    Chilcotin and endorphin too? let me know!
    The new Podium has always had that ti hardware, but would be interesting if the other two started coming with it.
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    The basic geo is on the right side of the info sheet. What other geo specs are you looking for?

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    The FB photo says winter 2013, while the PB story says winter 2014.

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    Very nice. 150mm travel 650B Knolly 4x4 -
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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    so fox is only offering a 15mm thru axle 34mm stantion fork? i still dont like that compared to 20mm axle and 36mm stantions on 26" bikes. i dont see hw it will replace an endo and a chilcotin with one bike. it will be a compromise just like building a light chili ir heavy endo
    I can def say, while I used to think the axle size would make a big difference, it really doesn't. It's more the stanchions and overall build than the axle.

    Cheezwhip let me borrow his 32mm stanchion'd Revelation with 20mm axle to use on my Endo for a bit while I waited on my Pike to come in. And the Pike is much stiffer and just overal more robust feeling than the Rev was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    The FB photo says winter 2013, while the PB story says winter 2014.
    December 2013/January 2014.
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    As the proud owner of brand new Chilcotin, and the fact that I've never tried a 650b, my enthusiasm is somewhat muted, but I'm excited to see Knolly continue to grow his offerings, and hope this new frame appeals to all the 650b riders out there. I'd be stoked on it if I counted myself among the big wheel boys.

    I'd like to try one someday...
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    Nice job guys! It would be great to hear more about how the bike is tuned. Does it retain the stand up and crank attitude of the Endorphin?

    Another headset standard? (in the lineup) Doh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post

    Another headset standard? Doh!
    56mm headsets have been around for a few years. I prefer it to the 49mm standard as I like insets. I wish the Chili was 56mm, then I could run a 170 tapered inset and maintain the stock geometry. I'm sure it will be coming on newer frames.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    I can def say, while I used to think the axle size would make a big difference, it really doesn't. It's more the stanchions and overall build than the axle.

    Cheezwhip let me borrow his 32mm stanchion'd Revelation with 20mm axle to use on my Endo for a bit while I waited on my Pike to come in. And the Pike is much stiffer and just overal more robust feeling than the Rev was.
    i still prefer 35m or 36m to 34mm stantions regardless of axle whether 15mm or 20mm. 15mm was fox and shimano's solution to a problem that never existed. the 20mm maxle was the answer after regular qr went the way of the dod. 15mm has no advantages over 20mm that i can see. just another money making standard that und=fortunately all have now adopted. just like 650b imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    15mm has no advantages over 20mm that i can see. just another money making standard that und=fortunately all have now adopted. just like 650b imho.
    Dude please.....15mm is like 6grams lighter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    56mm headsets have been around for a few years. I prefer it to the 49mm standard as I like insets. I wish the Chili was 56mm, then I could run a 170 tapered inset and maintain the stock geometry. I'm sure it will be coming on newer frames.
    Explain to me please about the 44/56mm.

    --Will the 44mm headtube top allow a 1.5" straight steerer tube (I'm guessing no)?

    --Since the 56mm headtube bottom is larger than the current 49mm I assume it will accommodate ZS bottom, correct?

    --Is the wider bottom necessary to accommodate angle-set headsets because the smaller diameter headtube top?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    Explain to me please about the 44/56mm.

    --Will the 44mm headtube top allow a 1.5" straight steerer tube (I'm guessing no)?

    --Since the 56mm headtube bottom is larger than the current 49mm I assume it will accommodate ZS bottom, correct?

    --Is the wider bottom necessary to accommodate angle-set headsets because the smaller diameter headtube top?
    44 mm wont' fit a 1.5"

    correct, it's so you can run a tapered fork with a zerostack hs

    no idea about the angle set thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    Dude....
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    Dude please.....15mm is like 6grams lighter.
    ..only if it the hub is yellow, if it's white it's 16 grams heavier... of course, red is 5% faster, regardless of weight..

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    just another money making standard that und=fortunately all have now adopted. just like 650b imho.
    I'm curious about 650b, but idea of it being forced down our throats through planned obsolescence of 26 I am not cool about.

    I'm starting to get worried about 26 being pushed out by 650b. Almost like quality improvements and durability increases in 26'' have created a need for an artificial upgrade mandate to 650b, and they'll shut the supply of 26'' to force the shift.

    Endo is most funnest bike in the history of full squish in my fleet over the years, and the more I ride it, the less I want another wheelsize (even after 3 years on Sultans).

    At the end of the day, I haven't ridden a knolly I didn't like and enjoy, so if Noel is leading, I'm fine to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    The basic geo is on the right side of the info sheet. What other geo specs are you looking for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefriar View Post
    I'm curious about 650b, but idea of it being forced down our throats through planned obsolescence of 26 I am not cool about.

    I'm starting to get worried about 26 being pushed out by 650b. Almost like quality improvements and durability increases in 26'' have created a need for an artificial upgrade mandate to 650b, and they'll shut the supply of 26'' to force the shift.

    Endo is most funnest bike in the history of full squish in my fleet over the years, and the more I ride it, the less I want another wheelsize (even after 3 years on Sultans).

    At the end of the day, I haven't ridden a knolly I didn't like and enjoy, so if Noel is leading, I'm fine to follow.
    I'm glad the Warden is "in addition to" the current line-up rather than a "replacement for" (for now at least) the Endo. I have been talking to several people lately about the Endo, and I feel that an Endo 650 would lose some of the characteristics that make the current Endo so good.

    unfortunately, I think your right, 26ers will be filtered out over the next several years. Glad I have 2 26ers right now that I really like and should be around for the long haul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thefriar View Post
    I'm curious about 650b, but idea of it being forced down our throats through planned obsolescence of 26 I am not cool about.

    I'm starting to get worried about 26 being pushed out by 650b. Almost like quality improvements and durability increases in 26'' have created a need for an artificial upgrade mandate to 650b, and they'll shut the supply of 26'' to force the shift.
    Don't worry: the 26er isn't going away. If most of the customer base migrates then you will see the bigger companies go away from making 26er specific components; but--no worries--a lot of mountain bike companies live by filling niche needs. Besides, by the time 26ers go out of style you will be able to 3d print all the components you need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big B View Post
    As the proud owner of brand new Chilcotin, and the fact that I've never tried a 650b, my enthusiasm is somewhat muted, but I'm excited to see Knolly continue to grow his offerings, and hope this new frame appeals to all the 650b riders out there. I'd be stoked on it if I counted myself among the big wheel boys.

    I'd like to try one someday...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    The new Podium has always had that ti hardware, but would be interesting if the other two started coming with it.
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    agreed. 26er is not going any where any time soon. it'll take quite some time for the 650b to fully implement it's way into "standardization." an example is CD based music. it's still around and devices are still being produced even after digitally stored devices have been introduced back in 2001 (ipod).

    like what tiSS'er said "the Warden is in addition to the current lineup rather than a replacement for the Endo." Knolly has done itself right while not to totally discriminate and isolate it's customer base by phasing out the 26. Unlike Nukeproof who are no longer offering the 26 across the board for all of it's built-up 2014 bikes. That's bad business.

    the 650b was introduced sometime in 2004. tire manufacturers started making the tire size around 2009 and within the last several years they're finally making there way into the mountain bike scene. so it's not like we've been totally shocked about this. the tire size has been around for decades on roadies. just like the 700c (roadie) a.k.a. 29er (mtb) it was just a matter of time for the 650b (27.5 if you prefer) to come around.

    it's just nice to see the mountain bike industry evolving and progressing. gives us something to get excited about, good or bad. i'm sure carbon went through similar love-hate debates when first introduced. it would of been worse if it were stagnant and only saw them come out with another paint scheme.

    speaking of carbon, i wonder what noel, dusty and the crew will reveal for which model will get the carbon treatment?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    Explain to me please about the 44/56mm.

    --Is the wider bottom necessary to accommodate angle-set headsets because the smaller diameter headtube top?
    This one is "probably". CC sells a "ANGLESET ZS44 | EC49" combo and a a "ANGLESET ZS44 | ZS56" combo but does not sell a "ANGLESET ZS44 | ZS49" combo. So to accommodate an angleset with the 44mm top without raising the front end Noel had to make the bottom a 56mm.

    EC = External Cup which adds 14mm of Bottom Stack Height.
    ZS = ZeroStack which adds 4mm of Bottom Stack Height.
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    The Warden looks cool! Not a name I expect for a Knolly bike, but maybe that part of it to not be stuck in a corner, which is refreshing. Congrats Knolly!

    I wonder if Eurobike, Interbike is just every brand providing a 27.5 frame or component. Basically we will skip a year in new mountain bike stuff......just say new 27.5 part X or new 27.5 frame X.

    I am still looking forward to the companies that are providing some new non-27.5 stuff - carbon, new widget, etc.

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    Oooooo. Aaaaah. Nicely done guys. A demo fleet ready by interbike outdoor demo is probably too much to hope for?
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