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    Knolly hardtail? Something in 27.5/26 compatible guise...

    I have been kicking the idea of a hard tail around lately. Something for those rides with short punchy climbs and moderate tech. A frame that I don't have to worry about maintaining after a wet winter ride. Also something that could work well on a pump track if it was set up properly.

    Enter the 27.5/26 hard tail frame in aluminum. Run a 150/140 fork with travel adjust. Install wide 35-40mm 27.5 rims for trail riding with a 12 1/4 to 12 1/2" bottom bracket height. Want to go pump track? Throw on some fast 2.2 26' wheels, drop the fork travel and enjoy the super low BB.

    There are currently only a few 27.5 hard tails available. None of them have the geometry I have come to expect from Knolly. (plus the added bonus of an angled seat tube to help get that seat out of the way) 29er hard tails are popular, but I have not ridden one I want to spend my hard earned money on. I think a Knolly hard tail designed around 27.5 with common parts from other frames in the lineup could be a smash hit. It would get a price point frame in the lineup and become a quiver bike for advanced riders.

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    chromag stylus or samurai if I was getting a hardtail frame.

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    My temporary Chilco replacement....
    Awesome and fun bike.

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    This is the rough list of 26" hard tails that I found during my search for one. Check the forums, a LOT of these are 650b compatible.

    Santa Cruz Chameleon
    On One 456 Evo
    Dailled Price Albert
    Cove Stiffee/Handjob
    Chromag Stylus/Apeture
    Cotic BFe
    Transition TransAM
    FireEye Flame
    Privee Shan Classic
    NS Surge
    Commencal Ramones
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    check out the new look 2014 chromags,,,, our stylus frames are shipping anytime now, cant wait to get them and build them up and go out shredding.

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    A new Evil Sovereign frame is coming, lower and slacker than the last one, so a little birdie told me. Just saying.
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    650B Evil Sovereign V2

    The old faithful V2 Evil Sovereign bastardized to 650B front and rear. BB is too high for pump tracking (14.2" unseated) with 160mm fork however. Great for slow techie obstacle strewn trails though.
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    Looking at that makes me miss mine already. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by cfrench View Post
    chromag stylus or samurai if I was getting a hardtail frame.
    chromags just look so dated.lol

    in all seriousness they are great bikes. i'm on the fence on whethere to sell my chili, but without a doubt i'll always have my chromag

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    The list of tough aluminum hardtails isn't all that long nowadays.
    My Banshee Scirocco frame is staying with me, in whatever capacity I happen to need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw View Post
    The old faithful V2 Evil Sovereign bastardized to 650B front and rear. BB is too high for pump tracking (14.2" unseated) with 160mm fork however. Great for slow techie obstacle strewn trails though.
    Very nice. Might breath new life into my V1 and do the same. What fork is that?

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    Very exciting to read about a new Evil Sovereign on the Knolly forum! I ride a Sov & love it. Slightly lower BB would be nice but I like the HA for my tight XC trails.

    I would be excited to read about a Knolly hardtail, too! I wish I had the spare dough for an Endo...

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    Thanks for the reply's on other possible frames that are available or slated to be. I used to own an Evil Soverign but never quite got along with it due to fit issues. (xl would have worked better) Would rather not stay with 26" wheels for a hard tail. The Soverign got hung up quite often out on the trails around here.

    I should have mentioned there are a number of factors I am looking for in a frame. Steel works fine but I would prefer aluminum with a shaped top tube for better stand over and less weight. A few other wants include a 142 x12 rear axle, standard threaded BB, 31.6 seat post and geometry/fit as close as possible to my Chilcotin and Endorphin. I would also like to see clearance for the largest 27.5 tires available. Maxxis has a 2.4 Ardent coming out in 27.5 that has my interest. Also would like to run wide rims in the 35 to 40mm range for the ability to run low tire pressure and keep the sidewalls stable.

    I did get a ride on a Kona Explosif and it is something to consider. The location of the seat was the main problem with that one. I could not get the seat back far enough and don't want to run a lay back post. Another option that is close with exception of the ETT / seat tube length is the Carver 420 Ti set up with 27.5 wheels... This is not something I really need, but it could be a fun addition to the quiver.
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    Currently have a Jamis Kromo DJ 26" SS as the winter mud bike. Great compliance from the 27.2 seat post tubeless tires. Really surprised how the frame is stiff when stuffing a berm but doesn't try to kill you at speed in the rougher stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Very nice. Might breath new life into my V1 and do the same. What fork is that?
    2012 Fox Vanilla RC2 (160mm). Front clearance with a 2.3" Neo Moto is fine. The 2.35" Hans Dampf worked but too little arch clearance for my liking. No problem with rear clearance even with wheel slammed. Might have an issue though if running front derailleur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    chromags just look so dated.lol

    in all seriousness they are great bikes. i'm on the fence on whethere to sell my chili, but without a doubt i'll always have my chromag
    as i said in my previous statement..... CHECK OUT THE NEW 2014 CHROMAGS,,, they have been updated, looks cool. cant wait to get mine, should be shipping anyday now.

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    This is a timely thread as I am thinking of complementing my 2010 Endo (size large) with a Chromag Stylus. My Endo has an effective TT of ~24.5 inches (622mm) by my tape measure and eyeball. I see on Knolly's website a new Chilcotin (L) is 625mm so basically the same. I am very happy with the Endo geometry wise - comfortable riding everything including the small jumps and drops I do. My question is what recommendations would other Knolly/Chromag owners have re Chromag frame size? A large Stylus only has a 23.5" effective TT and an XL has a 24" effective TT. I would use the Stylus for everything from commuting to dirt jumps. Seems weird I would have to buy an XL sized frame to most closely match my Endo? I am 5'11". thx!

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    or a gypsy..

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    bubba, have you considered a 29er hardtail? Cotic, Salsa, Canfield, Niner, Pivot, Open, Nicolai are some good examples. I'm looking at that for myself with a rigid carbon fork.

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    chris,,,
    where did you find them photos... i looked everywhere for pics of the new stylus,,,,
    we got a white and yellow currently on route from chromag, should be here next week

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWK View Post
    This is a timely thread as I am thinking of complementing my 2010 Endo (size large) with a Chromag Stylus. My Endo has an effective TT of ~24.5 inches (622mm) by my tape measure and eyeball. I see on Knolly's website a new Chilcotin (L) is 625mm so basically the same. I am very happy with the Endo geometry wise - comfortable riding everything including the small jumps and drops I do. My question is what recommendations would other Knolly/Chromag owners have re Chromag frame size? A large Stylus only has a 23.5" effective TT and an XL has a 24" effective TT. I would use the Stylus for everything from commuting to dirt jumps. Seems weird I would have to buy an XL sized frame to most closely match my Endo? I am 5'11". thx!
    my dt was medium, my delirium was medium, my podium is medium, my endorphin is medium, my styus is medium and my new stylus is also medium. cols bikes ( demo 8, chilcotin,stylus) are all mediums to.
    we are 5'10, i find the mediums fit me fine, cant say ive noticed much differance between my medium knollys or medium stylus.
    i do like my frames on the shorter side though, as i like smaller chuckable more playful bikes.
    the stylus really is a fantastic do it all bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    chris,,,
    where did you find them photos... i looked everywhere for pics of the new stylus,,,,
    we got a white and yellow currently on route from chromag, should be here next week
    I had to go to Japan! but it was worth it: https://www.facebook.com/chromagjapan

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    as i said in my previous statement..... CHECK OUT THE NEW 2014 CHROMAGS,,, they have been updated, looks cool. cant wait to get mine, should be shipping anyday now.
    i was joking. i didn't think the previous generation was dated. mine has a 44mm headtube and a 31.6mm seat tube, that's new enough for me. tapered fork and dropper seatpost compatible

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    bubba, have you considered a 29er hardtail? Cotic, Salsa, Canfield, Niner, Pivot, Open, Nicolai are some good examples. I'm looking at that for myself with a rigid carbon fork.
    Yes, I have considered a 29 hard tail. As long as I can get 142x12, threaded BB, 31.6 seat post and fun to ride I may willing to try. The Niner ROS checks all of those boxes...
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    I think I like the previous Stylus over the new design. Looking at the Chromag Japan fb page, the Aperture & Stylus look pretty much the same. I guess the tubing size & geo on the Stylus is larger & more slack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    Yes, I have considered a 29 hard tail. As long as I can get 142x12, threaded BB, 31.6 seat post and fun to ride I may willing to try. The Niner ROS checks all of those boxes...
    Ride before you buy. Wheelsize makes a big difference, thru-axle on a hardtail doesn't much.

    Unless you spend a significant amount of time dirtjumping, 26" is dead for AM hardtails (IMO, having owned a 26" DeKerf Implant, 26" Custom Curtlo with Chromag Samurai Geometry, Canfield yelli screamy, Kona Honzo, and a bunch of other handmade custom steel frames).

    Carver 420ti is worth a look.
    I really liked my Yelli Screamy. The Honzo is awesome, but it really is more of a 29" FR hardtail. I preferred the Yelli for trail riding.
    Can't go wrong with Chromag! 650b Samurai or Surface!

    good call on looking for a big seat tube for dropper posts. Not being able to run a 5"+ dropper were reasons I sold the Dekerf and Curtlo.

    I will always own a hardtail, mainly for muddy winter beatdown rides and summer alpine XC duty. Cheap and light works well for both....

    Soon as somebody makes a good light carbon 29'er with AM geometry (yelli Screamy style).. I'll buy

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitewerks View Post
    I think I like the previous Stylus over the new design. Looking at the Chromag Japan fb page, the Aperture & Stylus look pretty much the same. I guess the tubing size & geo on the Stylus is larger & more slack?
    geo has been tweaked on a few of them but no sight of the numbers yet, they'll be up on their website v.soon I would imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Nicolai
    If I ever have abundant funds again ... I will ask Nicolai to send me an Argon AM. I'd have to think carefully about what options I want on the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfrench View Post
    I had to go to Japan! but it was worth it: https://www.facebook.com/chromagjapan
    lol... so glad you enjoyed your trip to japan, lol.. and coming home with great photo's like that, defo makes it much more worth it, ha ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime View Post
    If I ever have abundant funds again ... I will ask Nicolai to send me an Argon AM. I'd have to think carefully about what options I want on the frame.
    yeah, Argon AM 29er should be good and it's cheaper here in Europe compared to imported carbon frames from the likes of Niner and Pivot for example.

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    Delirian, what fork for the Stylus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Delirian, what fork for the Stylus?
    its got to be pike, 36 lowered to 150, or bos deville...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Ride before you buy. Wheelsize makes a big difference, thru-axle on a hardtail doesn't much.

    Unless you spend a significant amount of time dirtjumping, 26" is dead for AM hardtails (IMO, having owned a 26" DeKerf Implant, 26" Custom Curtlo with Chromag Samurai Geometry, Canfield yelli screamy, Kona Honzo, and a bunch of other handmade custom steel frames).

    Carver 420ti is worth a look.
    I really liked my Yelli Screamy. The Honzo is awesome, but it really is more of a 29" FR hardtail. I preferred the Yelli for trail riding.
    Can't go wrong with Chromag! 650b Samurai or Surface!

    good call on looking for a big seat tube for dropper posts. Not being able to run a 5"+ dropper were reasons I sold the Dekerf and Curtlo.

    I will always own a hardtail, mainly for muddy winter beatdown rides and summer alpine XC duty. Cheap and light works well for both....

    Soon as somebody makes a good light carbon 29'er with AM geometry (yelli Screamy style).. I'll buy
    I agree a through axle does not improve a hard tail much, but I am trying to keep things compatible between my bikes. It is possible I could own more than one 27.5 or 29 wheeled mtb someday. I have enjoyed having interchangeable parts for my Chilcotin and Endorphin.

    Test riding is a good idea. I really liked the Kona Explosif demo ride, not so much with the Honzo. I may need to get out on the Explosif again with my Thomson dropper installed. The 5mm set back may be all I need to fit on the Large. Still think a 27.5 hard tail from Knolly would be cool, but should stick with something that is actually available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bitewerks View Post
    I think I like the previous Stylus over the new design. Looking at the Chromag Japan fb page, the Aperture & Stylus look pretty much the same. I guess the tubing size & geo on the Stylus is larger & more slack?
    I just spoke with Ian @ Chromag regarding Stylus geometry. He informed be that the only difference between 2013 and 2014 Stylus is the seat angle. For 2014 is has been increased by 1 degree to allow for a more upright forward position when using 160mm forks. Cant comment on their Aperture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfrench View Post
    its got to be pike, 36 lowered to 150, or bos deville...
    chris is correct.... bos deville.
    i already have a 2012 stylus, so its just gonna be a parts swap. though im not sure what to do yet, do i go ghetto/buget and swap everything over, except the headset, or should i do a new build.
    im defo keeping the forks as they havnt had much use so still like new.
    at the mo i have a hammerschmidt on my stylus, with xo drive train, but im swaying towards race face carbon crank and maybe shimano drive train, either saint or xt. and defo going with shimano brakes.
    i have nukeproof wheels with dh rims maic 321 or somthing like that, they're years old and quite heavy. im also thinking i might throw some factory hopes pro 2 on mavic en521 rims.
    dont know what to do lol. ghetto build or new build, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    chris is correct.... bos deville.
    i already have a 2012 stylus, so its just gonna be a parts swap. though im not sure what to do yet, do i go ghetto/buget and swap everything over, except the headset, or should i do a new build.
    im defo keeping the forks as they havnt had much use so still like new.
    at the mo i have a hammerschmidt on my stylus, with xo drive train, but im swaying towards race face carbon crank and maybe shimano drive train, either saint or xt. and defo going with shimano brakes.
    i have nukeproof wheels with dh rims maic 321 or somthing like that, they're years old and quite heavy. im also thinking i might throw some factory hopes pro 2 on mavic en521 rims.
    dont know what to do lol. ghetto build or new build, lol.
    revelations are great forks too, was assuming 150 /160 there. ian, ive been running x0 carbon cranks with x9 mech and theyre perfect, cranks not that much heavier than the RF but less than half the price. spank spike race 28 evos are mega tough and only 500g / £50 each, just ordered a set for the podium but would put them on any knolly as they've got the happy-middleground-23mm-inner-width (the mavics en521 are 21mm and heavier)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Ride before you buy. Wheelsize makes a big difference, thru-axle on a hardtail doesn't much.

    Unless you spend a significant amount of time dirtjumping, 26" is dead for AM hardtails (IMO, having owned a 26" DeKerf Implant, 26" Custom Curtlo with Chromag Samurai Geometry, Canfield yelli screamy, Kona Honzo, and a bunch of other handmade custom steel frames).

    Carver 420ti is worth a look.
    I really liked my Yelli Screamy. The Honzo is awesome, but it really is more of a 29" FR hardtail. I preferred the Yelli for trail riding.
    Can't go wrong with Chromag! 650b Samurai or Surface!

    good call on looking for a big seat tube for dropper posts. Not being able to run a 5"+ dropper were reasons I sold the Dekerf and Curtlo.

    I will always own a hardtail, mainly for muddy winter beatdown rides and summer alpine XC duty. Cheap and light works well for both....

    Soon as somebody makes a good light carbon 29'er with AM geometry (yelli Screamy style).. I'll buy
    Just been looking at both the Honzo and Yelli Screamy....PM'd you

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    650 canfield n9.

    12.25 bb with a 150mm fork fox 34
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    Picked up a new hardtail Knolly.. thanks Ryan!

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    Geo is a bit whacked, but I love that it's variable. Just need a longer stick.

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