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    A little late to the party but just built my new Endorphin:

    RP 23
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    Almost 30 lbs on the nose.

    It pedals well but I find the front end wandering on steep techy climbs. I could try an adjustable fork but I am trying to keep the weight down. Will a 70 mm stem help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by snakesterhk View Post
    A little late to the party but just built my new Endorphin:

    RP 23
    RS Revelation
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    SixC Cranks and Bars
    Haven 50 mm Stem
    RS Reverb Seat Post
    Maxxis High Rollers 2.35 set up with Stans
    Tioga Saddle
    X9 Rear D, Xt Front D
    X0 Shifters
    Almost 30 lbs on the nose.

    It pedals well but I find the front end wandering on steep techy climbs. I could try an adjustable fork but I am trying to keep the weight down. Will a 70 mm stem help?
    Nice bike....

    I have a Lyric but I feel it stable on climbs, but maybe your tech climbs can be harder than mine. I have a 80mm stem on a medium sized frame and I find it climbs good when I have the Lyric at 140, or at 160 if I move my weight a little forward. How long is your stem?

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    I'm 5'10" on a med endo, fox 36 float up front (160mm), 65mm stem.

    The light-feeling front end on steep/tech climbs is my only complaint with the endo. Think I've been running with too little sag though. Going to experiment with that, and maybe reduce the travel up front to 150mm.

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    Thanks guys

    I started with a 50 mm stem. I have a 70 mm stem that I can throw on. How much of a difference can 20 mm make?
    I think I will have to try the adjustable fork. My revelation is 4 lbs how does the 36 talas compare in weight and feel.
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    20mm will make a noticible difference. I have a 65mm stem for "real" mountain riding which is much better for the down but the really steep, tech climbs are more of a challenge. compared to the 100mm stem that I have for around town which is very XC but does have some very steep, difficult, short climbs. I can do these much better with the longer stem. I run a float 160 (not talus)

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    Similar to LWK,
    I run a 90mm in Austin where the climbs are short, but very steep. When I head to the mountains I switch to a 70mm. Also sliding the seat just a tad forward on the rails can make a big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee View Post
    Are you guys running 150 or 160mm forks?
    Fox Van 36 160mm

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    Are you guys running 150 or 160mm forks? I'm going to try a flat bar, see if that helps on climbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee View Post
    Are you guys running 150 or 160mm forks? I'm going to try a flat bar, see if that helps on climbs.
    I have a Lyric uturn, so I use 140 to climb, 160 for everything else. I've tried climbing at 160 and no problem, just need to push my weigth a little further. I have the stem as low as I can, and been thinking on a flat bar..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee View Post
    Are you guys running 150 or 160mm forks? I'm going to try a flat bar, see if that helps on climbs.
    I'm running a 160mm fork for AM/light FR and 150mm for more trail oriented riding where there is are a lot of ups and downs in quick succession. I like both setups but if I had to choose I'd run 160mm. Also run a low rise bar.

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    I was the happiest with my Endo when it had a Revelation and a CCDB. When I had the 36 Van I thought it wandered a hair too much for my taste.

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    hi ppl, quick question, is the sizing stamped on the bb area of the endo? i have "s" stamped on the bottom, but i'm quite sure what i have is a "m"
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    Zep, you definitely have a Medium:
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    can you just do me a favor, flip ur bike around, and see what it says on the bb, thanks....


    i'm trying to sell the frame and i have someone claiming it to be a S, instead of M. becoz there's a S stamped on the bottom of the bb. thanks very much....
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    Quote Originally Posted by leexy View Post
    mine's a small, if that helps

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    ^^^^^


    thanks! but what does it say on the bottom of the bb?
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    Zep,

    I flipped my small and took a good look, under BB it stamps serial number and "O" on both ends.

    How about this spec
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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr11 View Post
    ^^^^^


    thanks! but what does it say on the bottom of the bb?
    Is it actually on the under side of the BB shell or on the bridge on the rear triange right behind the BB shell? I've got a serial number on the rear triangle bridge and nothing decernable on the BB shell. My frame is a L and the serial number does start with an L but from what I remember the rear triangles on all Endorphins are the same?
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    mine says LFK0813249 on the BB

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    Just a little Endo setup commentary...

    For the past year I was running at approx 25% sag and I never really fell in love with this bike, other than on jumps and drops. It just didn't feel great riding xc.

    A couple weeks ago I set it to about 33% sag and replaced my tractor tires (stick-e nevegals) with a pair of Hans Dampf. It's like a whole new bike, and I am in love finally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leexy View Post
    Leexy, what is that front chainring setup you have? How many teeth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noosa2 View Post
    Leexy, what is that front chainring setup you have? How many teeth?
    Hey there, I use a 28t Widget chainring

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    Quote Originally Posted by leexy View Post
    Hey there, I use a 28t Widget chainring
    28T (or maybe even a 30T) would work out well around here. Any trouble dropping your chain? Can the bashrings take a hit or are they just to keep the chain on the chainring? Any chance I can get a pictue of the other side of you bike?

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    Anyone has measurements of the old endo in M ? trying to see if it fit mi lady, might be a tad bigger, but if it works out it would be perfect. thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr11 View Post
    Anyone has measurements of the old endo in M ? trying to see if it fit mi lady, might be a tad bigger, but if it works out it would be perfect. thanks!
    All of the geometry can be found at Knolly Bikes.

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    hey bryan, thanks very much! exactly what i was looking for!
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    Quote Originally Posted by noosa2 View Post
    28T (or maybe even a 30T) would work out well around here. Any trouble dropping your chain? Can the bashrings take a hit or are they just to keep the chain on the chainring? Any chance I can get a pictue of the other side of you bike?
    I haven't drop a chain ever since I got it. The bashrings are meant to keep the chain on, not really made to take hits, so I use a bash as shown here.



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    Anybody ever try a Vivid Air on the Endo? Was thinking of possibly swapping the RP23 to try one out.

    Oh by the way I own a 2010 Endo and a 2011 Podium. I'll get some pictures up for you guys soon! The Endo is still getting some new parts and I like to take pictures when its all done so you'll have to wait for those!

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    Late to the Endo game, but here is my 2010 Endorphin. Size Large.



    2012 X Fusion Vengeance HLR (Lowered to 150mm)
    Loving the Truvativ Holzfeller bar + 50mm stem
    Spank Oozy Evo wheels
    Hope Pro 2 Evo hubs
    XT Cranks + Wellgo MG1 Pedals

    Haven't really had a chance to ride it for real yet. Looking forward to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honns View Post
    2012 X Fusion Vengeance HLR (Lowered to 150mm)
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    Hey honns,

    Bit of a gravedig but I've been doing some research on the fork and wheels above and found this thread. How are you finding them both? I'm looking at replacing the Fox 36 Float and EX500 wheels on my Yeti SB66 with these, interested in getting the opinion of someone who has run them. Cheers!

    Edit - also meant to ask if you've had any dramas with running the fork at 150mm, which is where I'd probably run it given the higher A2C.

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    I have had no issues with the fork at the lowered height, the A2C doesn't bother me. I do like the vengeance, though I wish the endo allowed a tapered steerer. That aside, once correctly set up, the fork is butter.
    I have 0 complaints about my Oozy's, it seems that spank makes some quality stuff. If I had to do it over, I might get the Subrosa's but only for their wider girth.

    I cant believe how goofy the bike looks in this picture, I am going to have to update this.

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    Cheers mate, feedback is much appreciated. Definitely post an updated pic!

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    What is the float 36 you are thinking of replacing?

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    Its a 2012 RC2 that started out life as an RLC. I had the dampener added later and it definitely improved the feel, but it's still not as plush as my old Lyrik SA and doesn't get anywhere near full travel. It will be going back to the shop before I look to get rid of it, but will definitely be looking to swap it out if I can't get the feel right.

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    Gotcha, friendly suggestion would be to get a test ride on a Vengeance. I find it closer to Fox than to RS in terms of feel. Up to you if it meets your ideal. I also considered a Zoke 44 RC3 that I still think about picking up every now and then. If you are looking for that uber-plush feel, I doubt you can go wrong with the Zoke and they are usually cheaper than your XFusions and Foxs (2012 Marzocchi 44 RC3 Ti - Pinkbike)

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    Cheers for the comparison. I don't necessarily think the Fox is bad, but further into the stroke its definitely not as nice as I've experienced before. My other option is to try the new Lyrik RC2DH, by all accounts its an amazing fork, and I've been a fan in the past.

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    You've got lots of great options out there, good luck :-)

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    It is a crappy cell phone pic, but I just put the final piece on (Dropper). I hope to get some good trail photos soon if it ever dries out around here
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    can someone tell me if the Cane Creek 110.ZS44 short headset work with a 2011 fox 32 talas w/ tapered tube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinfony78 View Post
    can someone tell me if the Cane Creek 110.ZS44 short headset work with a 2011 fox 32 talas w/ tapered tube?
    No. you will need a different bottom - not ZS. the top 44 ZS will be fine.

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    Re: Knolly Endorphin: Build Information, Photos and Set-up Thread

    i just realized what zs and ec stand for. i will need the ec, external cup. please let me know if i am wrong. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinfony78 View Post
    i just realized what zs and ec stand for. i will need the ec, external cup. please let me know if i am wrong. thanks
    You are correct. You will need an external cup for the bottom if you are trying to fit a tapered steerer to a new Endorphin. That is the way they are currently spec'd if you were to buy a complete bike. The 67* head angle is based on a 150mm Fox fork with tapered steerer and an external cup (bottom) Cane Creek headset.

    Correct me if I am wrong, Mr. Bottoms or Mr. Buckley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinfony78 View Post
    i just realized what zs and ec stand for. i will need the ec, external cup. please let me know if i am wrong. thanks
    You are 100% correct. I made this mistake with my recent Endorphin build. I had the option for headset at cost and didnt take the time to check it was a ZS lower cup. I have a tapered fork. It all worked out in the end as the uppers / lowers are sold seperately which is cool.

    If anyone is looking for that CC 40 series 44mm ZS cup....lemme know.
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    What length seatpost is everyone using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinfony78 View Post
    What length seatpost is everyone using?
    9" of post exposed. XL Endorphin. 6'4" pilot.

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    1 1/8th straight steerer. CC 40 ZS headset. Loaded 70mm 6* rise stem. Crank Brothers iodine 11 carbon bars. 2012 Marzocchi 55 Microswitch TA. ODI Rogue grips. KS LEV on the way.

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    thanks..i'm looking at seat posts and the thomson elite has 367mm and 410mm lengths..i'm 5'11 on a medium...will 367mm be tall enough? i'm not sure where the max insertion line is on the post, but judging by your pic, i don't think i'll put it up that high

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    My 410mm has 275mm of post to play with. My math tells me that at least 1/3 of the post needs to be in the frame. If you can live with 245mm of post length, you should be fine with the 367mm post.

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    Hello All!

    Dragging up an old thread, I know, but hey ho!

    Here's my Endo:




    Build Spec:

    Endophin Frame, M, Ano Black
    Cane Creek 40 headset
    RockShox Sektor RL DualPosition Coil fork, 120-150mm travel, RP23 XV Shock
    Easton Havoc 60mm Stem/750mm bars
    Hope M4 Evo/X2 Evo front/rear, 180/160mm rotors (Now deceased Formula RX's pictured)
    Either Shimano Zee 36t single ring or RaceFace Turbine double crankset 38/26t
    Superstar Switch Evo Hubs/Mavic XM719 rims
    X0 Rear Mech/XT Front with X9 Shifters, 11-36t Sram Cassette
    Bontrager XR4 Team Issue TLR tyres, 2.2" (for those in the know...)

    I run it with a double or single set up depending what I'm doing. Love running single ring, but need the granny for serious Alpine climbs.

    Thinking about experimenting with a shorter stroke (50mm vs current 57mm) shock and dropping the fork to 140mm, to drop and slacken it a bit. Anyone tried it? I measured the frame with the current shock fully compressed, had 8mm clearance between the wishbone shaped link and the frame, so in theory it should work as the shorter shock is 7mm shorter.

    Been inspired by recent short travel slopestyle/play bikes (anyone see the Enduro SX? Nice!) and think it'd suit the Endo's playful character. Will report back

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    Nice ride! Just sent you a PM. I slackened out my endo with a -1.5 angleset and shortshocked (7.75 x 2.25) Avalanche chubie. Really improved the ride of the older endo, imo. I kept the fork at 150mm though. With the headset and shock adjustments, the fork felt great at 150mm (32mm marz 44 rc3ti for reference).

    You'll lose some travel with a shorter stroke at 50mm. Lowering the overall i2i is what you want but I'm not sure you can go lower than 7.75 without bottom out/clearance issues. Maybe a 7.5 x 2 might work but you might be messing with the leverage curves too much.

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