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    frame -- Knolly Endorphin w/ RP23, grey/purple ano, Med
    fork -- Fox 36 talas
    headset -- King
    wheels -- Hadley / 819 / Sapim CX Ray
    brakes -- Shimano XT, 160 front, 160 rear (hose needs some trimming)
    handlebar -- Azonic (?) 1" rise
    stem -- 70mm Thomson
    seatpost -- RockShox Reverb (hose needs some trimming)
    saddle -- Brooks Swift
    crankset -- Hive/ E13 E13 bash, 36t / 22t rings
    pedals -- Time Atac Alium
    cassette -- SRAM 990 (orange)
    shifters -- SRMAN XO
    front D -- Shimano SLX
    rear D -- SRAM XO Med cage
    tires -- Conti Trial King / Rubber Queen 2.4



    Down is the new up.

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    Picked up my Endo this afternoon. Looks great. Shake down ride and pics tomorrow.

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    Finished Endo with Trail dog in training. Heading out on shakedown ride now.
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    Nice!

    Quote Originally Posted by erringtonnc
    Finished Endo with Trail dog in training. Heading out on shakedown ride now.
    Great looking bike and dog! That color is sweet! How much does the bike weigh? What do you think about the Bronsons? I have the 2.3front and 2.1 rear with 2 ride on them and so far they have been great in every aspect!

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    Thanks. It weighs 32lb on the nose. I am liking the tires so far. The conditions are less than ideal here at the moment and they grip very well.

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    I've had a couple of good rides on the Endo and I am liking it a lot. A quick note about the Bronson's I have had two slow flats in two rides, one front and one back. The trail conditions here are less than ideal as there are many sharp branches and such everywhere. So until conditions improve I'll reserve judgement, but did think it was worth mentioning.
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    What tubes/no tubes system are you running?

    Not sure where you're riding or your riding style, but I was happy with the Kenda Telonix for sheer super grip and have heard from some regular riding companions that the Maxxis Minon single ply are plenty fast and grippy. I ran speshy purgatories and nevegals on the Endo and was fine with them, nevegals were little sluggish though. The speshy purgatories have also been a sweet tire in 26 & 29 form around these parts - grips but not slow... (Sprain, Mianus, Trumbull, Millers Pond, Blue Mt., Holyoke Range)

    Trails probably need another solid week or so after the blizzard I'm looking out the window at... tread lightly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefriar
    What tubes/no tubes system are you running?

    Not sure where you're riding or your riding style, but I was happy with the Kenda Telonix for sheer super grip and have heard from some regular riding companions that the Maxxis Minon single ply are plenty fast and grippy. I ran speshy purgatories and nevegals on the Endo and was fine with them, nevegals were little sluggish though. The speshy purgatories have also been a sweet tire in 26 & 29 form around these parts - grips but not slow... (Sprain, Mianus, Trumbull, Millers Pond, Blue Mt., Holyoke Range)

    Trails probably need another solid week or so after the blizzard I'm looking out the window at... tread lightly!
    Yeah riding looks to be on hold for another week due to the weather, that's why I went on a longer ride yesterday.

    I am glad you asked about the tubes as it made me go and take a look. The front was a bonty 1.75 - 2.125 tube and I can only presume the rear was the same as I can't find it right now. The tires are 2.3's so technically the tubes were to small. I've replaced them with 1.9-2.35 tubes and have upped the pressure from 38 to 42 PSI front and rear. I'll report back with any issues that arise.

    P.S.

    I think we rode at Mianus a few times 2-3 years back when I was just getting back into mountain biking again. I had a green and blue Vicious Metal Guru hardtail. If memory serves me correctly you had a Delirium T and had just taken delivery of a works red intense(tracer?).

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    I'm updating with latest information.

    Frame: Medium Endorphin
    Fork: RS Lyric Coil Uturn (stock spring)
    Shock: Manitou Evolver ISX-6
    Headset: Cane Creek 110
    Stem: Straitline
    Bar: Straitline
    Grips: Ourly Lock On
    Shifters: Sram X.9
    Front der: Shimano XT
    Rear der: Sram X.9 mid cage
    Crankset: Shimano SLX 3 ring.
    Pedals: Nukeproofs
    Brakes: Avid Elixir R (8" front / 7" rear)
    Wheels: DT Swiss D5.1 rims, Hope Pro II (front) Hope Bulb (rear)
    Tires: Conti Rubber Queen 2.4 front and rear
    Seatpost: Sycros Derived, looks pretty tougth and nice.
    Saddle: WTB Pure V

    The changes I've made was replacing Hone crankset for SLX, which was pretty nice, it does feel stiffer.
    I tried the Lyric with the xfirm spring, but just moved to the stock spring. So far, I pretty like it. I have around 28% sag with the stock spring, and the initial ride it feels a lot more balanced than the xfirm (although at 230lbs, I should be using the xfirm, but I only got around 20mm of sag, which is about 12% sag).
    I replaced the Louises brakes for Elixirs. I also moved to a larger rear rotor (from 6 to 7"). The rear rotor I think is overkill, and probably too much, I got to lock the rear tire and have to adjust, probably will replace rear rotor later on.
    Changed stem for a shorter one (from 80 to 50mm), and the handlebar just for vanity reason (same color/brand as stem), and also lowered the stem position.
    Wheels, I really, really, really, didn't like the Nobby Nics! I have more than a year on the RQ and they're waaaay better, probably the tires that I must like. I still want to try the Big Bettys, but I'm in no rush to try them.

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    OK, no photo just now as I cant upload from work.

    New to me Endorphin, coverd about 150miles on it on varied terrain.

    Build as follows
    M Ano Frame with RP23
    Rockshox Lyric 2 step air (Heavy forks these...)
    FSA Orbit MX heaset
    Thomson 70mm Stem
    Easton Haven Bars and Lizard Skins Charger Grips
    SLX Brakes, 203 Front 180 Rear
    Thomson Seatpost
    SDG Bel Air Ti saddle
    Chromag QR
    X9 Shifters
    X9 Rear Mech
    XT Front Mech
    RaceFace Deus Crank and BB, Middle Burn rings, 36t + 22t
    990 cassette and 971 chain
    Blackspire C4 ring god
    Time ATAC Carbon pedals
    Hope Hubs with Mavic 819 Rims
    2.35 UST Highroller Rear Tubeless
    2.35 supertacky Minion Front (single ply, non ust tyre but inflated tubeless with sealant)

    Weight is about 32-33lbs

    After a few long rides I really like the way the bike rides but it is a little heavier than I'd like.

    I'd love to hear weight saving ideas to get the thing down to 30lbs....

    I'm really keen to drop some weight from this build. I considered for a while swapping wheels for a light wheelset such as mavic xmax ST or similar but in my experience its great untill it goes wrong and then its a worl of pain.
    Perhaps I should build up some pro2 hubs with sapim laser or cxray spokes and go for lighter forks.
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    slx brakes are not light especially with big rotors. look into formula r1, hope, xtr or magura martas or the new line mt8 or mt6

    there is alot of weight in rotors alone, formula r1 or magura storm sl could save you 3 to 4 ounces alone and then if you knock the size down to 180/160 you could save an aditional 2-3 ounces per set.

    i just changed out brakes for a friend from the avid cr mag with carbon levers 185/185 to magura martas (non carbon) 180/160 (sl not storm sl) and he lost 7 ounces off the bike.

    other than that, it's the fork and wheels, you've already mentioned, but still sub 30 with a 160 fork is really, really tough. i got mine to 30 lbs and 5 ounces with 2010 fox float 36, selle italia slr seat, cb 2 ti candy pedals, dt 1750/minions run tubeless and all xtr.
    could of been sub 30 with rp23, i had dhx air

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    Yeah, I reckon you're right.

    I think I will put on a lighter rear tyre. perhaps downsize the brakes a little. I might try out a revelation fork too. Although I do really like the 2step lyrik

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    ramesesniblick3,

    I think that the most effective weight loss on a bike is going to come from decreasing rotational mass such as wheels, tires, tubes etc.It is a tough decision to make as the Endo is such a capable and solid bike that it would be a shame to create a weak point just to save a little weight. IMO the Lyrik is a great fork the Endo. I have a Lyrik Coil U turn and would not want to compromise on the performance to save a little weight. That being said The Fox Floats are getting a lot of good press and will save some weight.

    My Endo is 2-3lbs heavier than my old Intense 6.6 and it rides the ups so much better than the 6.6 in fact if I did not know the weights of both bikes I would swear that the Endo was several pounds lighter, it just seems to sit in and grind out the climbs. All that being said I too would like to see my bike weigh in at 30lb. If I was serious about getting the weight down I'd probably go with a Fox Float 36 160mm. a lightweight tubeless wheelset and tires and 160mm rotors. Although looking at your build, your wheelset shouldn't be that heavy, do you happen to know the weight? You can also drop some weight by going with a lighter crankset and brakes. It could end up being an expensive couple of pounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramesesniblick3
    Yeah, I reckon you're right.

    I think I will put on a lighter rear tyre. perhaps downsize the brakes a little. I might try out a revelation fork too. Although I do really like the 2step lyrik
    Personally, I would keep the Lyric. I think that performance is better than weight. While I don't think that there is a huge performance gap between the Rev and the Lyric, I also don't think there's a huge difference in weight to justify it.

    The Endo is the heaviest bike that I've had (I had before a Titus Moto Lite), but I have been able to ride farther, fastest and climb better with it. I do think that weight is important, but it's not the most important thing.

    Very nice bike, btw...

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    Weight saving ideas:

    BOS Deville
    Formula brakes
    SDG I-beam and saddle
    Hope/Flow's with RQ's or new MK's

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    A bos Deville or a Float would save 400g for sure but the down side is the climbing. Things get very steep round here and the front end 'wanders' uncontroably on technical stuff with the Lyriks set to 160mm so a travel dropping fork is a must have for me.
    So a rev 150 or a 36 Talas would be the only forks worth it at the moment. But its huge money when the lyrics work so well.

    The wheelset I have on there is about 1855g so there's not a lot to come out of that and stay strong. Flow rims are heavier than 819's (though theres extra hardware with the 819's) and hope hubs are quite light.

    I think the only way would be perhaps

    Wheels - Mavic xmax st (saves 230g)
    Tyres - Something such as Bronson 2.1 TCS (-300g)
    Bars - Carbon (-100g)
    Brakes - Formula / Magura MT etc (-300g ?)
    I beam set up (-100g)

    thats just over 1000g so 2.2lbs

    Like eningtonnc said.... expensive couple of lbs

    I think I'll pop some faster rolling tyres on there and pedal harder!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramesesniblick3
    Flow rims are heavier than 819's (though theres extra hardware with the 819's) and hope hubs are quite light.
    I'm not sure about this. Black Flow's weigh about 470 while the 819's weigh about 475 without the eyelets. I think when you add in the eyelets the 819's are 515 or so.

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    I was also hoping to build up my Endo to 30 or less, but there are some things I won't give up, big tires, 2.3 or bigger, just works well for me in CO and my hack riding style and sharp rocks. Now that I've got some time on the Reverb, I'm pretty sure it would be hard for me to give that up too. I have not weighed mine Endo yet, I'm guess it hits in the 33 +/- 2 pound range, and it does really well.

    Got some desert high speed chunk to throw at it last weekend, and it was fantastic. Even climing up to the top of the Gunny Loop (in Grand Junction CO) wasn't bad. Hoping to get it out to Holy Cross and the entrance of HorseTheifBench (not saying I'll make it all the way down HTB,but..) this weekend if time permits.
    Down is the new up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramesesniblick3
    OK, no photo just now as I cant upload from work.

    New to me Endorphin, coverd about 150miles on it on varied terrain.

    Build as follows
    M Ano Frame with RP23
    Rockshox Lyric 2 step air (Heavy forks these...)
    FSA Orbit MX heaset
    Thomson 70mm Stem
    Easton Haven Bars and Lizard Skins Charger Grips
    SLX Brakes, 203 Front 180 Rear
    Thomson Seatpost
    SDG Bel Air Ti saddle
    Chromag QR
    X9 Shifters
    X9 Rear Mech
    XT Front Mech
    RaceFace Deus Crank and BB, Middle Burn rings, 36t + 22t
    990 cassette and 971 chain
    Blackspire C4 ring god
    Time ATAC Carbon pedals
    Hope Hubs with Mavic 819 Rims
    2.35 UST Highroller Rear Tubeless
    2.35 supertacky Minion Front (single ply, non ust tyre but inflated tubeless with sealant)

    Weight is about 32-33lbs

    After a few long rides I really like the way the bike rides but it is a little heavier than I'd like.

    I'd love to hear weight saving ideas to get the thing down to 30lbs....

    I'm really keen to drop some weight from this build. I considered for a while swapping wheels for a light wheelset such as mavic xmax ST or similar but in my experience its great untill it goes wrong and then its a worl of pain.
    Perhaps I should build up some pro2 hubs with sapim laser or cxray spokes and go for lighter forks.
    you're current build is the dog's bullocks! only thing i would change is the tyres. I recommend tubeless ready tyres instead of UST. My personal favorite is the Geax Lobo Loco 2.3 TNT. You must use some sealant with these tyres, but they have a UST bead.

    Here's my build spreadsheet with weights; maybe this could give you a couple of ideas on how to shed some grams.

    Endorphin Med. frame/ DHXc w/ Push Mx-Tune 3,992
    Industry Nine Enduro with Hadley Bolt-up 1,960
    Rock Shox Lyrik SoloAir RC2 2,204
    Magura Louise 180/160 Storm Rotors 915
    Geax Lobo Loco TNT 2.3 1,610
    Oury Lock-ons 132
    Race Face SixC Carbon 725mm 240
    SRAM X.0 250
    Thomson 70mm/0deg 142
    FSA Orbit Xtreme Pro 124
    Jagwire 5mm 100
    Rock Shox Reverb 31.6/420mm 590
    Chromag Trailmaster DT 300
    Race Face SixC Carbon w/ Chris King BB 800
    Time Roc Atac Carbon 378
    XT 11/34 297
    SLX dual ring 143
    SRAM X.0 Med. Cage 194
    XTR w/ SRAM powerlink 275
    14,646
    Total 32.26

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    My new Endorphin

    Pulled most of the parts from my DW spot.


    I stole the pic from Ry-daddy over on the AZ forum.

    frame -- Large White Knolly Endorphin w/ RP23,
    fork -- Lyrik solo air
    headset -- 110
    wheels -- Hadley / 819
    brakes -- Elixir, 185 front, 160 rear
    handlebar -- answer pro taper 720 1" rise
    stem -- 70mm Thomson
    seatpost -- Thomson
    saddle -- WTB Laser V
    crankset -- SLX w/ Saint Bash guard
    pedals -- Shimano 647
    cassette -- XT
    shifters -- Sram
    front D -- XT
    rear D -- XT Shadow
    tires -- 2.35 Nevegal front/ 2.5 Maxxis UST DHF Rear
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    Knolly Endorphin

    I finally finished my winter project. Below is the build spec:


    Frame Knolly Endorphin w/ Fox RP23 Shock

    Fork Rock Shox Revelation XX 150 Xloc

    Wheelset Industry Nine All Mountain - Red/Black

    Bottom Bracket/ Truvative Stylo 2.2 AM w/ Bashguard
    Crankset/Bashguard

    Brakes Magura Louise Disc
    Rotors Magura Storm Rotor, 160mm

    Headset Crank Brothers Opium C DH - black/red

    Stem Thomson Elite 70mm, 0 degree - black

    Handlebar Truvativ Noir Race Carbon

    Seatpost Thomson Elite - black

    Saddle PRO Components Vulture Max Saddle

    Grips Portland Design Lock-ons

    Tires (rear and front) WTB Bronson 2.3 AM

    Chain Sram 991

    Cassette Sram 990 DH - RED

    Rear Der. Shimano XT (short cage)

    Front Der. Shimano XT, Low clamp, top swing 35mm

    Pedals Egg Beater SL or Platforms

    Shifters Shimano SLX

    Weight: 30 pounds flat
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    reedallen.

    That looks ace. I've just arranged a loan pair of Rev's from a pal so am going to try them and see how they feel in comparison to Lyriks

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    Endo + BOS

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    Build:

    160 BOS Deville
    BOS Stoy
    Saint Cranks 22/36
    BBG Bash
    Nukeproof ti pedals
    SRAM X9 RD + Chain
    XT FD
    SRAM X0 Controls
    Thomson 70mm Stem
    Burgtec 760mm Bar
    Hope Head Set
    SDG I - Beam Post and I- Fly Saddle
    Hope Hoops Stan Flow + Pro 2 Hubs
    DT RWS 10 x 135
    Continental 2.4 Rubber Queens 25psi F/28psi R
    Lizard Skin Lock-on Shorty Grips
    XTR Cassette 11 - 34

    Total Weight 33lb

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger
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    Build:

    160 BOS Deville
    BOS Stoy
    Saint Cranks 22/36
    BBG Bash
    Nukeproof ti pedals
    SRAM X9 RD + Chain
    XT FD
    SRAM X0 Controls
    Thomson 70mm Stem
    Burgtec 760mm Bar
    Hope Head Set
    SDG I - Beam Post and I- Fly Saddle
    Hope Hoops Stan Flow + Pro 2 Hubs
    DT RWS 10 x 135
    Continental 2.4 Rubber Queens 25psi F/28psi R
    Lizard Skin Lock-on Shorty Grips
    XTR Cassette 11 - 34

    Total Weight 33lb
    [ENVY TONE]


    Oh, my, what a boring bike..... it has all the good stuff, where is the fun in that?

    [/ENVY TONE]

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    Endo OTW

    ...and a backup rig is born from spare parts and a killer deal on the endo frame.








    Knolly Endorphin Large
    Fox RP23 Pushed
    XT Crankset
    XT Front Derailleur
    XT Rapid Rise Rear Derailleur
    XT Dual Control Shift/Brake Levers 9 Speed
    XT Brake Calipers
    XT Cassette
    Rockshox Pike 454 Coil Fork
    Thomson Elite Seatpost
    Hope Seatpost Collar
    Gravity Light 50mm Stem
    Gravity Light 680mm Bars
    Chris King Headset
    ODI Rogue Lock On Grips
    Hope Pro 2 DT Swiss FR600 Wheelset
    Animal Flat Pedals

    Im still waiting on some parts to arrive, but everything has been ordered and I hope to have her up and running within 3 weeks.

    Enjoy!

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    Well, I've been using both Lyrics and Rev 150's for a while now and have to say, I like the lyriks better on this bike all round.

    The revs are good on XC rides and I'll continue to use them for that I think, the Lyriks are just more fun though and let the bike live up to its potential.

    I've lightened it up with tubeless ready tyres and X0 kit (poached from my hardtail)

    I'll likely drop some of the new Magura MT6 brakes on there at 180/160 shortly but am going to fork out for a new shock soon as I'm unhappy with the RP23 (another thread is active on this)

    I think it will settle in at about 32lbs then. Not too bad, just got to pedal harder!

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    So my Endorphin is finally all built up and riden enough to get a good idea of what it all is about!

    Now this build is very likely to be considered to be quite controversial I would think. My needs were a super plush yet light(ish) weight trailbike for very technical slow trails with plenty of large rocks and roots.
    There are much faster smoother trails here as well, but those just beoynd my backyard are really rough but lots of fun so those are my priorities.
    All reviews of the Endo was very promising to say the least and a good friend vouched for it beeing one of the most plush riding bikes out there.
    So as this good opportunity to make a good part trade deal presented itself I went for a Endorphin with little hesitation.

    Most stuff comes off my previous trail/xc bike, as you can tell I was/am a bit of a weight weenie.
    That however, is not something that gets in the way of having coil sprung front and rear suspension!
    I have tried many of the "new and improved" air shocks and forks lately but nothing comes close to colis as far as I am concerned!
    Especially the Marzocchi 44 RC3 Ti fork! Man is this thing plush!! The CCDB out back has a very hard time matching the plushness of the fork!
    And this is with very close to zero compression damping in the CCDB and with about 35% sag! Putting a ti-coil on the CCDB did make it feel slightly more supple on the small stuff but the fork still outshines the rear, by far I dare say!

    The rest of the stuff on the bike are XTR shifters, front mech and cranks, XT spsd's rear mech and cassette.
    Wheels are Americal classic hubs with Stans Crest rims and DT supercomp spokes. Really nice and light! I do have a set of sturdier wheels for the faster/harder riding stuff.
    Brakes are R1's with Hope discs. Thomson seatpost, Raceface stem Easton carbon handlebar, Fizik sadle, KMC chain and Continental 2.4 X-king/ Mt-king tires.
    I have a few possible upgrades comming up in the not too distant future. Especially a Reverb dropper post!

    Total weight as it stands now is 28lbs/12.7kg.
    I am really happy with the weight considering the sturdy frame and the coil shocks at both ends!
    As I mentioned it might seem a bit contradicting ly built, but it works really well for my kind of riding and for the kinds of trails I mostly ride!

    I am super stoaked about how it rides so far! Might not have the riding position set up 100% yet. The strange seat tube angle is a bit of a struggle...
    The handling is spot on with intuitive and almost telepathic feel to it! The climbing in technical, steep and loose situations is amazing!
    It finds grip for me when I make small misstakes or when I am to tired to focus like I should!
    It allways feels like it is doing everything right!
    The only minor "issues" are the steep seat tube angle and that I would not mind having the rear suspension a touch more supple and plush.
    Perhaps Pushed Van RC or simmilar could be tuned to my needs? Any thoughts on that?






    Here are a few pictures showing the trails just beoynd my backyard :














    Thanks for a great and informative forum!

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    Magnus don't worry, throw conventional out the window, if it works well for you, that's the bottom line. For a dual coil setup, the end weight is very respectable. Even with a dropper post and chainguide thrown in, you'd be plenty good to go IMO.

    I've been wanting to try that fork for a while!

    I am waiting to hear from PUSH regarding tune types on a Van RC for the Chilcotin. Will holler back on that. I'm quite surprised you cant get the CCDB to exactly where you want it to match up with the fork up front with all the adjustability.

    Nice bike!

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    Thanks Chromagftw!

    Throwing convention out the window is something that I often enjoy, in many ways! It is kind of part of what I do you might say

    The CCDB is a great shock, and I am not far from what I want. But at the same time I am curious what a Pushed shock tuned exactly to my needs can do!
    All this "platform" suspension talk where you need to rely on compression (and rebound?) damping to avoid suspension bob (or similar) is just a compromise I belive. To me it looks like the 4X4 suspension design can handle very low, perhaps even zero compression damping quite well. Especially if you have a good even spinn of the pedals.

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    Well, I've finally nailed the spec on my endorphin now.

    I've gone through a few combos of parts. The main sticking point was either 150revs or 160 Lyriks.
    I kept trying to go lighter but in the end have saved a bit of weigh with wheel and added elswhere. I have bought very little new bits (except shock) as I've poached from my hardtail.

    Its ended up as follows
    M Ano Frame with
    CCDB
    Rockshox Lyric 2 step air
    Hope Headset (FSA Orbit died)
    Thomson 70mm Stem
    Easton Haven Bars and Lizard Skins Charger Grips
    SLX Brakes, 180 Front 160 Rear
    Thomson Seatpost
    SDG Bel Air Ti saddle
    Chromag QR
    X0 Shifters
    X0 Rear Mech

    XT Front Mech
    RaceFace Deus Crank and BB, Middle Burn rings, 36t + 22t
    990 cassette and 971 chain
    Race Face Alu bash guard (Blackspire C4 ring god broke)
    Time ATAC Platform pedals
    Hope Evo Hubs with Stans Arch Rims
    2.35 UST Ardent Front tubeless
    2.1 UST Advantage Rear tubeless


    Aftr riding the coil rear, I've made up my mind to convert the lyrics to coil...
    Most of my issues with climbing was solved by using the CCDB as the air shock I had was wallowing around on steep climbs letting the front wander too much. I'd love to try a Marzocchi 55 RC3 but they're too pricy just now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leexy View Post
    My new beast

    Is yours an XS or an SM?
    I'm thinking about trying to track down an Endo for my next frame and am torn size wise. In looking at the old Endo geo chart (might have missed it but can't seem to find it on the new Knolly site) the measurements on the XS come in at where a lot of other mfrs size SM frames are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoaster View Post
    Is yours an XS or an SM?
    I'm thinking about trying to track down an Endo for my next frame and am torn size wise. In looking at the old Endo geo chart (might have missed it but can't seem to find it on the new Knolly site) the measurements on the XS come in at where a lot of other mfrs size SM frames are.
    Mine's a small, hope that helps

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    the 27 pound Endorphin

    Took me all winter to piece it together from parts but I finally took it on its first ride. Endorphin + Lefty is a match made in heaven What an awesome AM ride. I just can't believe how well this thing pedals. I'm working on taking better pics but I just got back from a riding trip and my bike is currently in the mail so I will update this post with better pics in a week or so.

    2010 Knolly Endorphin bike specs:
    frame -- Knolly Endorphin w/ RP23, white, small
    Brakes- Formula R1 w/ R1 rotors (180 front, 160 rear)
    Wheels- Velocity Blunt SL with CX Ray spokes, Hope Pro 2 rear hub, and stock lefty front hub
    Tires- 2.25” Ardents, tubeless
    Fork- Lefty max carbon 140mm with PBR upgrade
    seatpost -- Thomson
    crankset -- Race Face Deus 175mm
    pedals – Point One Podium
    cassette -- SRAM 990 redwin
    shifters -- Sram XO
    front D -- Shimano XT
    rear D -- SRAM XO medium cage
    cables & housing -- Jagwire Ripcord

    Weight: 27 pounds

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    Some stunning builds. Medium riders- are tall are you etc?

    Help! http://forums.mtbr.com/knolly/knolly...ml#post8359915

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    Does anyone know the leverage ratio, eye-to-eye and stroke of the 2008 Knolly Endorphin frame? If so, Im looking at the Rock Shox Monarch Plus RC3 and want to make sure I get the correct shock ordered. Suggestions on mountaing hardware as well would be great. I sent Knolly an email, but thought I would check here as well. Might get a faster response during the summer season. We'll see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedallan View Post
    Does anyone know the leverage ratio,2.44444444 eye-to-eye and stroke of the 2008 Knolly Endorphin frame? If so, Im looking at the Rock Shox Monarch Plus RC3 and want to make sure I get the correct shock ordered. Suggestions on mountaing hardware as well would be great. I sent Knolly an email, but thought I would check here as well. Might get a faster response during the summer season. We'll see...
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    getting alot of pedal strikes, would switching to 165mm cranks help much? currently running 175mm xt m770s

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    Some updates since my last post.

    Quote Originally Posted by soderblom View Post
    Frame - Medium, White
    Fork - Fox 36 Van R (2009)
    Rear Shock - Fox RP23 (2010)
    Headset - Cane Creek 110
    Wheels - Transition Revolution AM --> Hope Pro II hubs and Mavic EN521 rims
    Brakes - Shimano XT M775 (F:180mm/R:160mm) --> Magura Louise BAT
    Handlebar - Easton MonkeyLite SL --> Chromag Fubar OS
    Stem - Chromag Ranger 70mm
    Saddle - Selle Italia XR --> SDG I-Fly
    Crankset - Shimano XT M770 22-32, 175mm w/ Gamut P20 bashguard --> Shimano SLX M665 (de-anodized) and a MRP G2 SL chain guide instead of bashguard
    BB - Shimano XT M770 Hollowtech II
    Pedals - Inspired Platform pedals
    Chain - Shimano HG93 --> KMC X10.93
    Cassette - Shimano XT M770 11-32 --> Shimano XT M771 11-36
    Shifters - Shimano XT M770 --> SRAM X9
    Front Derailleur - Shimano XT M770 --> n/a
    Rear Derailleur - Shimano XT Shadow M772 --> SRAM X9
    Front Tyre - Kenda Excavator 26x2.35 --> Continental Baron 2.3
    Rear Tyre - Kenda Telonix 26x2.2 --> Continental Baron 2.3
    Seatpost - Easton Havoc --> SDG I-Beam
    Seatpost Clamp - Chromag
    Grips - Inspired Lock-on grips

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    Quote Originally Posted by leexy View Post
    That's a nice looking Endo. Love the short stem and green bits!

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    Knolly Endo

    Knolly Endorphin (Grey Anodized)
    Cane Creek S3 headset
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    Hope Pros on Mavic 819s
    Specialized Purgatory 2.4 Fr; Kenda Small Block Rr
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    Weight: 33 lbs.
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    Silly question, and I'm too lazy to search the forum, but does anyone have BB heights and HAs values with say 150mm or 160 mm forks? The website say 13.4" and 67* with a 150mm fork, but I don't know if that is for the "new" one (i.e with a tapered HT) or the existing ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Murderface View Post
    Silly question, and I'm too lazy to search the forum, but does anyone have BB heights and HAs values with say 150mm or 160 mm forks? The website say 13.4" and 67* with a 150mm fork, but I don't know if that is for the "new" one (i.e with a tapered HT) or the existing ones.
    Website info is for the new one.
    The old one is:
    160mm 545 a2c (Fox 36) about 66.9 ha 14.1" bb (depending on tires and headset...)
    150mm 530 a2c (RS Rev) about 67.6 ha 13.85" bb
    150mm 521 a2c (Fox 32) about 68.1 ha 13.75" bb

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr11 View Post
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    current running a ck rear qr on my endo, can it take fun bolts?

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    Fun bolts

    Yes, just remove the QR inserts on the hub, the fun bolts will fit the threads.
    More info on aspire velotech and CK home page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arnero View Post
    Yes, just remove the QR inserts on the hub, the fun bolts will fit the threads.
    More info on aspire velotech and CK home page.
    great, thanks!

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    A little late to the party but just built my new Endorphin:

    RP 23
    RS Revelation
    Xt Wheels
    Xt Brakes
    SixC Cranks and Bars
    Haven 50 mm Stem
    RS Reverb Seat Post
    Maxxis High Rollers 2.35 set up with Stans
    Tioga Saddle
    X9 Rear D, Xt Front D
    X0 Shifters
    Almost 30 lbs on the nose.

    It pedals well but I find the front end wandering on steep techy climbs. I could try an adjustable fork but I am trying to keep the weight down. Will a 70 mm stem help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by snakesterhk View Post
    A little late to the party but just built my new Endorphin:

    RP 23
    RS Revelation
    Xt Wheels
    Xt Brakes
    SixC Cranks and Bars
    Haven 50 mm Stem
    RS Reverb Seat Post
    Maxxis High Rollers 2.35 set up with Stans
    Tioga Saddle
    X9 Rear D, Xt Front D
    X0 Shifters
    Almost 30 lbs on the nose.

    It pedals well but I find the front end wandering on steep techy climbs. I could try an adjustable fork but I am trying to keep the weight down. Will a 70 mm stem help?
    Nice bike....

    I have a Lyric but I feel it stable on climbs, but maybe your tech climbs can be harder than mine. I have a 80mm stem on a medium sized frame and I find it climbs good when I have the Lyric at 140, or at 160 if I move my weight a little forward. How long is your stem?

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    I'm 5'10" on a med endo, fox 36 float up front (160mm), 65mm stem.

    The light-feeling front end on steep/tech climbs is my only complaint with the endo. Think I've been running with too little sag though. Going to experiment with that, and maybe reduce the travel up front to 150mm.

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    Thanks guys

    I started with a 50 mm stem. I have a 70 mm stem that I can throw on. How much of a difference can 20 mm make?
    I think I will have to try the adjustable fork. My revelation is 4 lbs how does the 36 talas compare in weight and feel.
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    20mm will make a noticible difference. I have a 65mm stem for "real" mountain riding which is much better for the down but the really steep, tech climbs are more of a challenge. compared to the 100mm stem that I have for around town which is very XC but does have some very steep, difficult, short climbs. I can do these much better with the longer stem. I run a float 160 (not talus)

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    Similar to LWK,
    I run a 90mm in Austin where the climbs are short, but very steep. When I head to the mountains I switch to a 70mm. Also sliding the seat just a tad forward on the rails can make a big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee View Post
    Are you guys running 150 or 160mm forks?
    Fox Van 36 160mm

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    Are you guys running 150 or 160mm forks? I'm going to try a flat bar, see if that helps on climbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee View Post
    Are you guys running 150 or 160mm forks? I'm going to try a flat bar, see if that helps on climbs.
    I have a Lyric uturn, so I use 140 to climb, 160 for everything else. I've tried climbing at 160 and no problem, just need to push my weigth a little further. I have the stem as low as I can, and been thinking on a flat bar..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee View Post
    Are you guys running 150 or 160mm forks? I'm going to try a flat bar, see if that helps on climbs.
    I'm running a 160mm fork for AM/light FR and 150mm for more trail oriented riding where there is are a lot of ups and downs in quick succession. I like both setups but if I had to choose I'd run 160mm. Also run a low rise bar.

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    I was the happiest with my Endo when it had a Revelation and a CCDB. When I had the 36 Van I thought it wandered a hair too much for my taste.

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    hi ppl, quick question, is the sizing stamped on the bb area of the endo? i have "s" stamped on the bottom, but i'm quite sure what i have is a "m"
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    Zep, you definitely have a Medium:
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    can you just do me a favor, flip ur bike around, and see what it says on the bb, thanks....


    i'm trying to sell the frame and i have someone claiming it to be a S, instead of M. becoz there's a S stamped on the bottom of the bb. thanks very much....
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    Quote Originally Posted by leexy View Post
    mine's a small, if that helps

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    Zep,

    I flipped my small and took a good look, under BB it stamps serial number and "O" on both ends.

    How about this spec
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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr11 View Post
    ^^^^^


    thanks! but what does it say on the bottom of the bb?
    Is it actually on the under side of the BB shell or on the bridge on the rear triange right behind the BB shell? I've got a serial number on the rear triangle bridge and nothing decernable on the BB shell. My frame is a L and the serial number does start with an L but from what I remember the rear triangles on all Endorphins are the same?
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    mine says LFK0813249 on the BB

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    Just a little Endo setup commentary...

    For the past year I was running at approx 25% sag and I never really fell in love with this bike, other than on jumps and drops. It just didn't feel great riding xc.

    A couple weeks ago I set it to about 33% sag and replaced my tractor tires (stick-e nevegals) with a pair of Hans Dampf. It's like a whole new bike, and I am in love finally.
    Taking it easy for all you sinners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leexy View Post
    Leexy, what is that front chainring setup you have? How many teeth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noosa2 View Post
    Leexy, what is that front chainring setup you have? How many teeth?
    Hey there, I use a 28t Widget chainring

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    Quote Originally Posted by leexy View Post
    Hey there, I use a 28t Widget chainring
    28T (or maybe even a 30T) would work out well around here. Any trouble dropping your chain? Can the bashrings take a hit or are they just to keep the chain on the chainring? Any chance I can get a pictue of the other side of you bike?

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    Anyone has measurements of the old endo in M ? trying to see if it fit mi lady, might be a tad bigger, but if it works out it would be perfect. thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr11 View Post
    Anyone has measurements of the old endo in M ? trying to see if it fit mi lady, might be a tad bigger, but if it works out it would be perfect. thanks!
    All of the geometry can be found at Knolly Bikes.

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    hey bryan, thanks very much! exactly what i was looking for!
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    Quote Originally Posted by noosa2 View Post
    28T (or maybe even a 30T) would work out well around here. Any trouble dropping your chain? Can the bashrings take a hit or are they just to keep the chain on the chainring? Any chance I can get a pictue of the other side of you bike?
    I haven't drop a chain ever since I got it. The bashrings are meant to keep the chain on, not really made to take hits, so I use a bash as shown here.



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    Anybody ever try a Vivid Air on the Endo? Was thinking of possibly swapping the RP23 to try one out.

    Oh by the way I own a 2010 Endo and a 2011 Podium. I'll get some pictures up for you guys soon! The Endo is still getting some new parts and I like to take pictures when its all done so you'll have to wait for those!

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    Late to the Endo game, but here is my 2010 Endorphin. Size Large.



    2012 X Fusion Vengeance HLR (Lowered to 150mm)
    Loving the Truvativ Holzfeller bar + 50mm stem
    Spank Oozy Evo wheels
    Hope Pro 2 Evo hubs
    XT Cranks + Wellgo MG1 Pedals

    Haven't really had a chance to ride it for real yet. Looking forward to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honns View Post
    2012 X Fusion Vengeance HLR (Lowered to 150mm)
    Spank Oozy Evo wheels
    Hey honns,

    Bit of a gravedig but I've been doing some research on the fork and wheels above and found this thread. How are you finding them both? I'm looking at replacing the Fox 36 Float and EX500 wheels on my Yeti SB66 with these, interested in getting the opinion of someone who has run them. Cheers!

    Edit - also meant to ask if you've had any dramas with running the fork at 150mm, which is where I'd probably run it given the higher A2C.

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    I have had no issues with the fork at the lowered height, the A2C doesn't bother me. I do like the vengeance, though I wish the endo allowed a tapered steerer. That aside, once correctly set up, the fork is butter.
    I have 0 complaints about my Oozy's, it seems that spank makes some quality stuff. If I had to do it over, I might get the Subrosa's but only for their wider girth.

    I cant believe how goofy the bike looks in this picture, I am going to have to update this.

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    Cheers mate, feedback is much appreciated. Definitely post an updated pic!

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    What is the float 36 you are thinking of replacing?

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    Its a 2012 RC2 that started out life as an RLC. I had the dampener added later and it definitely improved the feel, but it's still not as plush as my old Lyrik SA and doesn't get anywhere near full travel. It will be going back to the shop before I look to get rid of it, but will definitely be looking to swap it out if I can't get the feel right.

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    Gotcha, friendly suggestion would be to get a test ride on a Vengeance. I find it closer to Fox than to RS in terms of feel. Up to you if it meets your ideal. I also considered a Zoke 44 RC3 that I still think about picking up every now and then. If you are looking for that uber-plush feel, I doubt you can go wrong with the Zoke and they are usually cheaper than your XFusions and Foxs (2012 Marzocchi 44 RC3 Ti - Pinkbike)

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    Cheers for the comparison. I don't necessarily think the Fox is bad, but further into the stroke its definitely not as nice as I've experienced before. My other option is to try the new Lyrik RC2DH, by all accounts its an amazing fork, and I've been a fan in the past.

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    You've got lots of great options out there, good luck :-)

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    It is a crappy cell phone pic, but I just put the final piece on (Dropper). I hope to get some good trail photos soon if it ever dries out around here
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    can someone tell me if the Cane Creek 110.ZS44 short headset work with a 2011 fox 32 talas w/ tapered tube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinfony78 View Post
    can someone tell me if the Cane Creek 110.ZS44 short headset work with a 2011 fox 32 talas w/ tapered tube?
    No. you will need a different bottom - not ZS. the top 44 ZS will be fine.

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    Re: Knolly Endorphin: Build Information, Photos and Set-up Thread

    i just realized what zs and ec stand for. i will need the ec, external cup. please let me know if i am wrong. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinfony78 View Post
    i just realized what zs and ec stand for. i will need the ec, external cup. please let me know if i am wrong. thanks
    You are correct. You will need an external cup for the bottom if you are trying to fit a tapered steerer to a new Endorphin. That is the way they are currently spec'd if you were to buy a complete bike. The 67* head angle is based on a 150mm Fox fork with tapered steerer and an external cup (bottom) Cane Creek headset.

    Correct me if I am wrong, Mr. Bottoms or Mr. Buckley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinfony78 View Post
    i just realized what zs and ec stand for. i will need the ec, external cup. please let me know if i am wrong. thanks
    You are 100% correct. I made this mistake with my recent Endorphin build. I had the option for headset at cost and didnt take the time to check it was a ZS lower cup. I have a tapered fork. It all worked out in the end as the uppers / lowers are sold seperately which is cool.

    If anyone is looking for that CC 40 series 44mm ZS cup....lemme know.
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    What length seatpost is everyone using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinfony78 View Post
    What length seatpost is everyone using?
    9" of post exposed. XL Endorphin. 6'4" pilot.

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    1 1/8th straight steerer. CC 40 ZS headset. Loaded 70mm 6* rise stem. Crank Brothers iodine 11 carbon bars. 2012 Marzocchi 55 Microswitch TA. ODI Rogue grips. KS LEV on the way.

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    thanks..i'm looking at seat posts and the thomson elite has 367mm and 410mm lengths..i'm 5'11 on a medium...will 367mm be tall enough? i'm not sure where the max insertion line is on the post, but judging by your pic, i don't think i'll put it up that high

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    My 410mm has 275mm of post to play with. My math tells me that at least 1/3 of the post needs to be in the frame. If you can live with 245mm of post length, you should be fine with the 367mm post.

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    Hello All!

    Dragging up an old thread, I know, but hey ho!

    Here's my Endo:




    Build Spec:

    Endophin Frame, M, Ano Black
    Cane Creek 40 headset
    RockShox Sektor RL DualPosition Coil fork, 120-150mm travel, RP23 XV Shock
    Easton Havoc 60mm Stem/750mm bars
    Hope M4 Evo/X2 Evo front/rear, 180/160mm rotors (Now deceased Formula RX's pictured)
    Either Shimano Zee 36t single ring or RaceFace Turbine double crankset 38/26t
    Superstar Switch Evo Hubs/Mavic XM719 rims
    X0 Rear Mech/XT Front with X9 Shifters, 11-36t Sram Cassette
    Bontrager XR4 Team Issue TLR tyres, 2.2" (for those in the know...)

    I run it with a double or single set up depending what I'm doing. Love running single ring, but need the granny for serious Alpine climbs.

    Thinking about experimenting with a shorter stroke (50mm vs current 57mm) shock and dropping the fork to 140mm, to drop and slacken it a bit. Anyone tried it? I measured the frame with the current shock fully compressed, had 8mm clearance between the wishbone shaped link and the frame, so in theory it should work as the shorter shock is 7mm shorter.

    Been inspired by recent short travel slopestyle/play bikes (anyone see the Enduro SX? Nice!) and think it'd suit the Endo's playful character. Will report back

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    Nice ride! Just sent you a PM. I slackened out my endo with a -1.5 angleset and shortshocked (7.75 x 2.25) Avalanche chubie. Really improved the ride of the older endo, imo. I kept the fork at 150mm though. With the headset and shock adjustments, the fork felt great at 150mm (32mm marz 44 rc3ti for reference).

    You'll lose some travel with a shorter stroke at 50mm. Lowering the overall i2i is what you want but I'm not sure you can go lower than 7.75 without bottom out/clearance issues. Maybe a 7.5 x 2 might work but you might be messing with the leverage curves too much.

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