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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Thunder View Post
    Good times with good people! I only got to join for the Friday afternoon ride on Kiwanis/Holbert, but it was definitely a fun crew. I managed to twist my ankle on a short ride on Saturday, and my grapefruit-like ankle the next morning suggested that National would probably not be in the cards for Sunday. Bummer.

    I will also say that this was one of the purest concentrations of bike geekery I've yet experienced, intense enough to kill mere mortal men. Luckily, we had all clearly spent many years building up an immunity.
    That's good wordmanship there, John. Laughed out loud when I read this, but so true. I spent a whole paragraph trying to explain the same thing and you nailed it in one sentence. Nice work.

    And it was good meeting you. Thanks for the tutorial and company while climbing Kiwanis. Sorry to hear about the twisted ankle and sorry you didn't get to join us for more of the gathering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    I much prefer steep setting for all of our riding, There is nothing here where the slack setting provides enough of an advantage for me to justify changing it. Having the extra BB height and pedal clearance is useful.

    I think most people were running in the steep setting
    I goofed on this. I always ride in 66, as was the case on Friday and Saturday. I also ride with a 38/26 ring combo and skid guard beneath that. All of this made for low ground clearance on a few sections(namely the entry to spiral staircase), which played on my confidence a bit. I made it thru jackhammer, but just barely.

    I switched it to 67 mode on Sunday and felt much more confident with the clearance. Go figure. It's amazing what one little bolt and a half inch of clearance can do for you.

    The first thing I did when I got home was order up a traditional bash to cover a smaller gear combo, 36/24, and I will try out the Ronnie Ring, to go with my XT clutch derailleur. All this should add up to a simplified drivetrain(ie: no actual chainguide), more ground clearance, and slightly easier low end gearing.

    Oh ya, and a new rotor, from the just-below-jackhammer incident.

    All things considered, I can easily see how a 32/22 might be the optimal combo for SoMo, for maximum ground clearance. Or perhaps a 1x system based around 32t for the stronger rider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    I goofed on this. I always ride in 66, as was the case on Friday and Saturday. I also ride with a 38/26 ring combo and skid guard beneath that. All of this made for low ground clearance on a few sections(namely the entry to spiral staircase), which played on my confidence a bit. I made it thru jackhammer, but just barely.

    I switched it to 67 mode on Sunday and felt much more confident with the clearance. Go figure. It's amazing what one little bolt and a half inch of clearance can do for you.

    The first thing I did when I got home was order up a traditional bash to cover a smaller gear combo, 36/24, and I will try out the+++ Ronnie Ring+++, to go with my XT clutch derailleur. All this should add up to a simplified drivetrain(ie: no actual chainguide), more ground clearance, and slightly easier low end gearing.

    Oh ya, and a new rotor, from the just-below-jackhammer incident.

    All things considered, I can easily see how a 32/22 might be the optimal combo for SoMo, for maximum ground clearance. Or perhaps a 1x system based around 32t for the stronger rider.
    so, what be a Ronnie Ring?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhodge View Post

    so, what be a Ronnie Ring?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhodge View Post

    so, what be a Ronnie Ring?
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    This is made by one of the Phoenix locals & Chilcotin rider, Ronnie. All the Phoenix crew swear by them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
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    This is made by one of the Phoenix locals & Chilcotin rider, Ronnie. All the Phoenix crew swear by them.
    Ronnie is an amazing engineer/welder/fabricator that makes some of the most precise gadgets ever. He once made a sweet titanium emergency derailleur hanger that was held simply in the dropouts.

    The Ronnie Ring simply bolts to the frame side of your granny ring, completely eliminating any chance your chain can drop. Everyone one here runs them, and I wouldn't be caught dead without it. Chain guides tend not to do well here as clearance is an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    I goofed on this. I always ride in 66, as was the case on Friday and Saturday. I also ride with a 38/26 ring combo and skid guard beneath that. All of this made for low ground clearance on a few sections(namely the entry to spiral staircase), which played on my confidence a bit. I made it thru jackhammer, but just barely.

    I switched it to 67 mode on Sunday and felt much more confident with the clearance. Go figure. It's amazing what one little bolt and a half inch of clearance can do for you.

    The first thing I did when I got home was order up a traditional bash to cover a smaller gear combo, 36/24, and I will try out the Ronnie Ring, to go with my XT clutch derailleur. All this should add up to a simplified drivetrain(ie: no actual chainguide), more ground clearance, and slightly easier low end gearing.

    Oh ya, and a new rotor, from the just-below-jackhammer incident.

    All things considered, I can easily see how a 32/22 might be the optimal combo for SoMo, for maximum ground clearance. Or perhaps a 1x system based around 32t for the stronger rider.
    I could tell you hanging up a bit on the lower section of GC, where it gets real chunky. Having a 38T ring with chainguide easily took away an 1" of clearance, not to mention the slack setting.

    I really like the steep setting as the bike handles much like my older Endo, and I can compress the bike easier in the corners. I also feel more centered.

    I run a 32/22 combo here, as most people do. Not many people are running single rings, certainly doable, but it would make some of the tech sections less enjoyable. I'm not sure I have the leg strength to run a single ring anyway.

    When we were building bikes Thursday, the guys took a look at my bashring and wondered what happened to it. I think they get it now

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    Looks like a blast. Missing the days with the BooCrew, all I am dealing with is minimal amounts of snow. Great job Brando.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    All things considered, I can easily see how a 32/22 might be the optimal combo for SoMo, for maximum ground clearance
    That was my setup and was bashing into all sorts of stuff, often just bounding my way through. I could see how a larger ring could have been frustrating.

    On a side, my worn Minion DHF super tacky on the rear worked spectacularly on and over that terrain.
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    I was regularly mashing my pedals against rocks even in steep mode, FWIW.
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    Wow!
    This event is truely something special
    Thanks for sharing guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought View Post
    I was regularly mashing my pedals against rocks even in steep mode, FWIW.
    Just one more reason why I like clipless here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    Just one more reason why I like clipless here.
    ...and you can protect your bike in an OTB event!
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    Finally getting around to posting up some pics. I don't know how to add captions to the photos so you'll have to think of your own witty remarks.
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    Great shots Bill. Thanks for posting those up. It was great meeting you.

    Didn't anyone get any pictures of the Sunday somo ride?
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    Wow this looks like a ton of fun and I would love to join with my Chili...too bad I live on the east coast!

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    [QUOTE=Skins;PS: first words out of my 2-year old's mouth when he saw me in the light: "Daddy has an owwwwie!". Yes, daddy has lots of owwwwies. [/QUOTE]

    I think even my 3 year old daughter has learned to mostly disregard my injuries. When she was younger she was look very concerned when she saw my "owwies." Sometimes the first thing she'd ask me when I got back from a ride was "Did you fall?" Now she seems only mildly interested in my bruises, etc., and usually just asks "Did you have a good ride, Dada?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    That's good wordmanship there, John. Laughed out loud when I read this, but so true. I spent a whole paragraph trying to explain the same thing and you nailed it in one sentence. Nice work.

    And it was good meeting you. Thanks for the tutorial and company while climbing Kiwanis. Sorry to hear about the twisted ankle and sorry you didn't get to join us for more of the gathering.
    Thanks for the kind words, Kent! I enjoyed sessioning Kiwanis with you and Skins. The fact that you were giving the climbing on Kiwanis a go, even after climbing 24th street (and on a DT to boot!) says a lot about your abilities! Hopefully the next time I'm in Ely it'll be to ride rather than to repair two flat tires on my car...
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    My kids are a lot older so there used to me crashing.
    Now they just ask me if I need a ride to the hospital.

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    This is Day 1. Sorry for the delay. Too much work. Should be able to get Day 2 and 3 in by the weekend.

    Enjoy.
    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/55530774?badge=0" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/55530774">Knollfest 2012 Day 1</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user2797287">RDHFreethought</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
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    nice and chunky off camber dusty trails lol love it !

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought View Post
    This is Day 1. Sorry for the delay. Too much work. Should be able to get Day 2 and 3 in by the weekend.

    Enjoy.
    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/55530774?badge=0" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/55530774">Knollfest 2012 Day 1</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user2797287">RDHFreethought</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
    HELL YEAH! Nice music choice!
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    Well done Ralph! Thanks for putting that together and sharing here. Love the music choice too...takes me back to sitting at tiSS'er's house, drinking beer, and pulling thorns out of my hands.

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    Great job on the video, it really shows the type of terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhodge View Post
    was there any discussion of the preference for high angle/BB for SOMO? were people riding what they normally ride, whatever that was? w/ the Chilcotin's option, it'd be interesting to hear since everybody was riding exactly the same stuff.
    I'm probably alone in the continued preference of the slacker HA. I like the balance I get being lower to the ground and the xtra forgiveness to keep me from going OTB. I'm already used to bashing through rock gardens back at home so this wasn't much different.

    I was running a 1x10 with 34 upfront and 36 back and it was fine. Sure I suffered on some of the climbs but I would've suffered no matter what gearing I had. Besides, I prefer torque over spin anyday.

    I have a Trutativ (MRP G2 clone) chaine guide w/taco w/the bottom glider removed. I'm also running a Saint small cage der. w/clutch to keep that chain tight. This worked fine for me but if I rode this terrain all the time the taco would not last very long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    HELL YEAH! Nice music choice!
    How about this? Now...i am back in PHX in tiSS'ers living room!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skins View Post
    Well done Ralph! Thanks for putting that together and sharing here. Love the music choice too...takes me back to sitting at tiSS'er's house, drinking beer, and pulling thorns out of my hands.
    Right pinky? I think that little bastard got most of us.

    Bravo Ralph! Brandon wadded in the same place about a month ago. He said it was because he was going so slow, but I think he was hanging on for dear life to stay on this ol' fart's wheel

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtbag View Post
    Right pinky? I think that little bastard got most of us.

    Bravo Ralph! Brandon wadded in the same place about a month ago. He said it was because he was going so slow, but I think he was hanging on for dear life to stay on this ol' fart's wheel
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    He guys,
    Thanks for the great Friday and Saturday rides.Sorry i missed out Sunday, I could have shown you guys some great optional lines on National and in Hidden Valley maybe next time. As you can tell I don't post much. Hope the Ronnierings work out for you guys. I 'll try to stay a little more involved.
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    Day 2 video, sorry it is taking so long. Had uploading issues. (over 1 GB file)

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/55684658?badge=0" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/55684658">Knollfest 2012 Day 2</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user2797287">RDHFreethought</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

    And day 3:

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/55689255?badge=0" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/55689255">Knollfest 2012 Day 3</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user2797287">RDHFreethought</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
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    Thanks for putting these together. I am rather impressed by your music choices. Is this how you prepare for the work day?

    I like the raw footage, you can really hear the poor bikes taking a beating!
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    very nice, luckily the video is shaky enough that you can't see my sh1tty line choices!
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    As a small token of appreciation for rdhfreethought taking the time to share his videos, I thought I'd post my favorite photo sequence of the trip. I think the facial expressions speak for themselves and are indicative of how most "Knollfesters" felt making it down some sections of Goat Camp.
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    ^^^^True Story. That's Jackhammer. Great work RDH and nice shots Skins
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skins View Post
    As a small token of appreciation for rdhfreethought taking the time to share his videos, I thought I'd post my favorite photo sequence of the trip. I think the facial expressions speak for themselves and are indicative of how most "Knollfesters" felt making it down some sections of Goat Camp.
    The fourth photo was my oh $h!t moment. I was thinking I was going to get an rdhfreethought lap dance

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtbag View Post
    The fourth photo was my oh $h!t moment. I was thinking I was going to get an rdhfreethought lap dance
    The fifth photo reveals our resident Knolly Ninja in white must've sprinkled some Chili Dust on RDH just after your oh $h!t moment...much to your delight it seems by your own expression

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    very nice, luckily the video is shaky enough that you can't see my sh1tty line choices!
    Personally, I appreciate seeing the missed lines by you, the cameraman, or whoever. I'm a hacker who on my best day doesn't ride as well as any of you; but seeing the missed lines reduces the intimidation and makes me wish I had come all the more.
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    Wow - that's a whole different style of riding and trails than I typically ride. Slow, steep rock crawling. Looks very, very challenging. Now I know what you guys in AZ are talking about when you describe your Chilcotins v Endorphins. We have some chunky steep trails around here too, but not really like that. Personally, I am not sure I would enjoy that style of riding, since I tend to prefer speed and flow mixed with some comparatively low-grade tech. I think I would have walked a bunch of what's in those videos.

    Suspension setups for steep rock ledge descending is almost polar opposite of suspension setup for 25 mph rock gardens, turns and drop offs. Apples and Oranges. Remind me not to buy any of your used bikes after the torture you put them through! Looks like the Chili is THE bike for that stuff.

    In a couple of posts above, some say "it's what the bikes were built for..." That made me laugh. I can't think of anything more disparate than riding on Mt. Seymour/Cypress and riding the chunk on SoMo. Cool that it can do both, but I don't think the bike was built with SoMo in mind!

    Great videos and photos and good on ya for that gnarly/steep/chunky/slow stuff.

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