Hans Dampf or Trail King?

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  • 04-09-2013
    LncNuvue
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    Thanks for the review. I am curious how the BB would work as a rear tire. I suspect pretty good, if the TSC would hold up. With the knobs being bigger, they may fair better than the HDs. My concern with the TK is the cornering as well. Seems like the side knobs are not directed enough outward, but rather upward, if that makes sense.

    I was just thinking the same thing, I imagine it would be killer on the rear, just big. Give the TK some time, I bet it'll be great on Holbert and 90% of SOMO. It's descending the Ranger type terrain where you'll likely notice it.
  • 04-09-2013
    CharacterZero
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LncNuvue View Post
    I was just thinking the same thing, I imagine it would be killer on the rear, just big. Give the TK some time, I bet it'll be great on Holbert and 90% of SOMO. It's descending the Ranger type terrain where you'll likely notice it.

    I really like the BB as a front tire, but when I rotated to the back, I didn't like it as much and went back to the TK out back. Granted, the tire I rotated was @ about half it's life, but it simply didn't work for me. I'm back & forth on going back to the BB for the next tire up front and rotating the butcher to the back.

    Oh, my butcher @ 1y is starting to do what my last FA did @ ~10 months - side knobs are tearing in half.
  • 04-09-2013
    nhodge
    don't know if it's been mentioned already, but one of the really great things i think about the 2.25 TK is it's just barely over 2" tall, brand new! mounted on a ZTR Flow
  • 04-18-2013
    LncNuvue
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    Big Betty Update
    Here's a quick update on the Big Betty. Love it! This tire rails so good. It doesn't break in corners, just hangs on and grabs with no noticeable dead spot. The rolling is great and it feels fast, the braking is spot on and predictable and it dampens chatter great. It ate up the slickrock and rocky trails in Sedona last weekend. The tire has been perfect setup tubeless on my Flows. Only con I'm seeing is in the durability dept. Some outer knobs are peeling off a little after 6 rides. It's not every knob, maybe a 1/4 of them are showing some sort of cracking or breaking away. I'll keep an eye on it.

    After 6 rides:
    Attachment 791820

    And a fun one from this mornings ride. The tire eats the desert rocks:
    Attachment 791821
  • 04-18-2013
    nhodge
    looks like desert rocks eat the tire too
  • 04-18-2013
    tiSS'er
    I have a set of Chunky Monkeys on the way, at $30 per tire it is hard to beat for a Maxxis built tire. Let's hope they work.
  • 04-18-2013
    mykel
    Has anybody cut a pair of HansDampfs?

    I like the tire, until the speed picks up then i find it tends to wash out with the front seeming to go away the most.

    I know that Danny Hart ran his SuperGravity versions with the intermediate knobs cut.

    Been thinking about trying this myself.

    Thoughts?

    michael
  • 04-18-2013
    tiSS'er
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mykel View Post
    Has anybody cut a pair of HansDampfs?

    I like the tire, until the speed picks up then i find it tends to wash out with the front seeming to go away the most.

    I know that Danny Hart ran his SuperGravity versions with the intermediate knobs cut.

    Been thinking about trying this myself.

    Thoughts?

    michael

    I'm not a huge fan of the HD for this reason.
  • 04-18-2013
    Deerhill
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mykel View Post
    Has anybody cut a pair of HansDampfs?I like the tire, until the speed picks up then i find it tends to wash out with the front seeming to go away the most.I know that Danny Hart ran his SuperGravity versions with the intermediate knobs cut.Been thinking about trying this myself.Thoughts?michael

    Deep sand patch w/ head of steam you're right it's a joke, had to start cutting transitions (over 30 grams). Problem w/ SG is it doesn't come in the pacestar.. MM FR my fav on the front, but like the BB above, trailstar compound sides get tore up. Not sure I will buy another trailstar

    Only couple rides as I cut more off, it holds a lean better at high speed. When you have to do a quick cut and you have to turn the bars, it doesn't do that HD slide. Need more ride time though, I didn't trust it before (very close calls in the sand, spooks at high speed much worse that a spec clutch, clutch would float, HD does more of a zigzag) and that will be the test.
  • 04-18-2013
    Deerhill
    Wild Grip'r gonna be my next front if these don't work out
  • 04-18-2013
    mykel
    Now that looks interesting...

    Time to get out the end-cutters I'm thinking

    michael
  • 04-18-2013
    Sleevem1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Deep sand patch w/ head of steam you're right it's a joke, had to start cutting transitions (over 30 grams). Problem w/ SG is it doesn't come in the pacestar.. MM FR my fav on the front, but like the BB above, trailstar compound sides get tore up. Not sure I will buy another trailstar

    Only couple rides as I cut more off, it holds a lean better at high speed. When you have to do a quick cut and you have to turn the bars, it doesn't do that HD slide. Need more ride time though, I didn't trust it before (very close calls in the sand, spooks at high speed much worse that a spec clutch, clutch would float, HD does more of a zigzag) and that will be the test.

    Very interesting. I was looking around to get some feedback on the HD SG's. By the way you can get them in pacestar. Bike-discount sales them
  • 04-18-2013
    Deerhill
    SG sidewalls are no joke.. Think it was a post from mykel that I found out about the SG's

    One thing I forgot to post, hd casing is more round compared to the MM. They're both 2.35, but hd volume seems less or not as wide
  • 04-19-2013
    Calhoun
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    Tires are so subjective, for the areas that I ride I am loving the HD. I will echo the sentiments about wear though, Pacestars just wear too quickly.

    This was my Trailstar that I had on the front for quite a while:

    Attachment 791967
  • 04-23-2013
    G-AIR
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LncNuvue View Post
    Here's a quick update on the Big Betty. Love it! This tire rails so good. It doesn't break in corners, just hangs on and grabs with no noticeable dead spot. The rolling is great and it feels fast, the braking is spot on and predictable and it dampens chatter great. It ate up the slickrock and rocky trails in Sedona last weekend. The tire has been perfect setup tubeless on my Flows. Only con I'm seeing is in the durability dept. Some outer knobs are peeling off a little after 6 rides. It's not every knob, maybe a 1/4 of them are showing some sort of cracking or breaking away. I'll keep an eye on it.

    LncNuvue - Are you liking the BB more than the Butcher? Need to buy a new front tire ASAP and can't deicide between the Butcher SX and BB. Any thoughts would be appreciated. I'm in SoCal as well and its starting to get pretty dry around here
    Thanks
  • 04-23-2013
    B Gillespie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by G-AIR View Post
    LncNuvue - Are you liking the BB more than the Butcher? Need to buy a new front tire ASAP and can't deicide between the Butcher SX and BB. Any thoughts would be appreciated. I'm in SoCal as well and its starting to get pretty dry around here
    Thanks

    Both tires kick ass, can't lose with either.
  • 04-23-2013
    LncNuvue
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by G-AIR View Post
    LncNuvue - Are you liking the BB more than the Butcher? Need to buy a new front tire ASAP and can't deicide between the Butcher SX and BB. Any thoughts would be appreciated. I'm in SoCal as well and its starting to get pretty dry around here
    Thanks

    I haven't ridden the Butcher SX so I can't compare it directly to the BB. That said, I really like the Big Betty 2.4 TSC, Snakeskin, non-UST (890g). It handles and has traction and cornering characteristics that are on par with a 2.5 DFH but feels lighter, rolls smoother and has slightly better braking traction IMO. When comparing it to the Butcher Control it's not a fair fight as the BB is much larger and has a stouter casing. My observation is that it does everything just a little better and rides much much smoother over chatter. The Butcher Control is great for a lightweight option and is my favorite when needed in that application. As I mentioned previously, durability may be an issue as some of my side knobs have starts to crack a little.
  • 04-23-2013
    mykel
    BigBettys are my goto DH tire.
    When it does get a bit wetter, then a MM goes on front.
    If it is wet but not mud, then a MM on the rear as well.

    My normal hill is clay, so they don't run in the wet...
    ...the BB does great on the hard-pack clay, limestone and loose slate, but with enough left that it will bite nicely in damp conditions. it will pack up quickly if the conditions are too wet, but it does quite well on wet rock and roots (rubber choice as usual plays a role)

    michael
  • 04-29-2013
    Deerhill
    I like them better..
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mykel View Post
    Now that looks interesting...Time to get out the end-cutters I'm thinkingmichael

    Maybe leave a mm or two on some/ don't sip lugs all the way to the casing if you haven't already..

    Been pinching a bit on the rocks, I use old azz tubes though.
  • 04-29-2013
    mykel
    Have done a cut, but did the "Danhny Hart" cut - where you remove the 4 "intermediate" knobs in the alternating block
    Gives a nice open channel between the side and centre.
    Trimmed about 2/3 of the way down.
    On initial ride, I like it, but I have not ridden them in anger yet.

    Will take a pic, and hopefully if we get a bit of sun, be able to go for another ride. Will report back when the mud firms up.

    michael
  • 04-29-2013
    cerebroside
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    I have a set of Chunky Monkeys on the way, at $30 per tire it is hard to beat for a Maxxis built tire. Let's hope they work.

    Get a chance to try these yet?
  • 04-29-2013
    tiSS'er
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cerebroside View Post
    Get a chance to try these yet?

    Yeah, but I need more time on them. Here is a mini-review form the 3 rides I have had so far

    http://forums.mtbr.com/knolly/chili-...-851528-2.html
  • 04-29-2013
    Camaleon
    Hans Dampf or Trail King?
    HD hands down
  • 04-29-2013
    airwreck
    Maxxis parent company CST has several new low cost tires coming out soon as well, with these, Vee Rubber and On One, it's going to be interesting to see what was sacrificed to bring the price down.
  • 04-29-2013
    AZmtncycler
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    Yeah, but I need more time on them. Here is a mini-review form the 3 rides I have had so far

    http://forums.mtbr.com/knolly/chili-...-851528-2.html

    Brando... I too am off the HD bandwagon... I checked my tires after the Sedona ride and found several knobs on the rear tire were tearing off already... AFTER TWO rides!! I'm ordering up a couple of Smorgasbord's. Those should be the ticket for the rear.
  • 04-29-2013
    Camaleon
    Hans Dampf or Trail King?
    That's what I use HD 2.35 in the front and Smorgasboard's in the rear.
  • 05-04-2013
    cfrench
    Big Betty is a GREAT tyre!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LncNuvue View Post
    Here's a quick update on the Big Betty. Love it! This tire rails so good. It doesn't break in corners, just hangs on and grabs with no noticeable dead spot. The rolling is great and it feels fast, the braking is spot on and predictable and it dampens chatter great. It ate up the slickrock and rocky trails in Sedona last weekend. The tire has been perfect setup tubeless on my Flows.

    Ive just bought the folding 2.4 Big Betty Trailstar 3C with sidewall reinforcement. I can confirm the same performance results but on more mixed conditions. The Big Betty is a brilliant tyre, but the rubber is soft and tacky so 'brittle and sharp' hot desert rocks/slates is obviously going to eat it alive. Its a German tyre and there's no deserts in Europe...

    I met someone this morning who had been running this tyre all winter and for the last 6 weeks of spring, and he had about 85% of the tread left. His words were 'it works on everything'. I believe him, since the trail i tested on this morning is a nightmare and it coped with it MAGNIFICENTLY.
  • 05-16-2013
    sundace
    hey guys!!!

    i am about to buy a big betty 2.4 for the rear.

    till now i run a 2.35 hans dampf pacestar, but it wore out fast and it wasn't very pliable.

    questions:

    1. is the 2.4 bb wider than the 2.35 hans dampf? i am quite close with the hd in the rear triangle.

    2. is the big betty (folding , not tubeless edition) tubeless ready? the site doesn't indicate it.
  • 05-16-2013
    G-AIR
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sundace View Post
    hey guys!!!

    i am about to buy a big betty 2.4 for the rear.

    till now i run a 2.35 hans dampf pacestar, but it wore out fast and it wasn't very pliable.

    questions:

    1. is the 2.4 bb wider than the 2.35 hans dampf? i am quite close with the hd in the rear triangle.

    2. is the big betty (folding , not tubeless edition) tubeless ready? the site doesn't indicate it.

    I am running the HD rear and BB front. The BB is a bit bigger than the HD. I imagine it would fit but you might get a bit of rub.

    The BB folding is not labed as TLR but I mounted it tubeless on a Flow rim with no problems.
  • 05-16-2013
    Mrwhlr
    Now we have to cut knobs off the HD, too? I thought only the deadly Nevegals needed that treatment to become only dangerous.
  • 05-17-2013
    sundace
    how wider is it? 1-2mm?

    does it roll better than the hans dampf?
  • 05-18-2013
    G-AIR
    Taking a closer look the two tires seem to have similar volume. The tread pattern on the BB makes it bigger than the HD.

    The HD is the better roller between the two. The BB feels like a much more aggressive tire. It is a much better breaker as well. Right now I am running the BB up front and HD out back. Seems to be working well.
  • 05-20-2013
    sundace
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nybike1971 View Post
    I've been running a Hans Dampf front tire for most of the season in Trailstar compound and it has been excellent. The compound is very soft, but as a front tire it should hold up reasonably well. The snakeskin tubeless-ready version is just about 780g if I remember right.

    The Conti TK 2.4 UST is massive and heavy! I have a 2.4 Protection and that's over 1100g. A Maxxis Ardent 2.4 2-ply tire is lighter than that! The Conti TK UST 2.2 is an excellent rear tire. You'll get a bit more drift but plenty of bite and it rolls reasonably well too. I think it weighs just over 800g.

    is the hans dampf better rolling than the 2.2 trail king UST?

    can you make a general comparison between the 2?

    is the 2.2 tk smaller than the 2.35 hans?