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    HD trailstar are a good PNW winter tire if you can afford $160 every 3 months? Light, sticky and burly sidewalls are awesome for low pressure slow greasy tech stuff... but they don't last especially the rear. They also tend to wash out when things get fast and aggressive (due to transition knobs). For me, most of the smaller transition knobs quickly sheared right off, and then the outer knobs eroded to 'useless' about 10 rides later.

    I just mounted up a set of Butcher SX, and so far REALLY like them. Strangely they are also much lighter than the advertised 950 grams, mine are 827 (might need some digging into). SX's are also slightly bigger than the Butcher 'Control' version which are very narrow for a 2.3" And if you ride gnar don't even think about 'controls' they are paper thin.

    SX are probably what most will call a Minion DHF copy... but I say wrong!! DHF roll like pigs in mud. If you pedal to the top SX are very respectable rollers, and won't have you cussing all the way up, lol. When you drop in...ride much bigger than any Minion Boss! You will be amazed!

    So, If you're looking for a sturdy, light AM tire, that likes to go fast... I would say check them out.

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    Hans Dampf or Trail King?

    I don't have any HD experience but I really like the rubber/tread on the TK for the rear. The only complaint is the sidewall could be a little bit beefier IMO. The black chili compound wears well and I get gobs of traction.
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    I've got a handful of rides on the HD rear and I like it every bit as much as the TK, and it has more grip than the FA. Coupled with a Butcher SX front, I've not even thought about the tires in a couple weeks. Tubeless rear at about 31, but might try dropping pressure a bit as I haven't had any unnerving feedback on square edges or cornering.

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    Currently running the black chili 2.2 Trail King rear, Hans Dampf 2.35 pacestar front and thought I'd chime in. The snakeskin sidewalls on the HD are fantastic for such a light tire and while I'm running it on the front I wouldn't mind picking one up to try on the rear. I've also been impressed with the tread life having ran it for almost 10 months with little wear thus far. You guys seeing knobs falling off must be putting in a lot more miles than I on harder terrain! I ride the shore and am definitely now a schwalbe fan. Would like to pick up a set of dirty dans for the winter months in future as the HD is too closely spaced to be really effective in the wetter months.

    Not nearly as impressed with the Trail King 2.2. I do not know how anyone can rave about the traction of this tire. The knobs are miniscule and the sidewalls protrude excessively. While I do agree that the black chili compound is great, traction has been quite poor on hardpack, loam, and mud. It is superlight however so I can't really expect a stiff sidewall, but I can't make it 2 rides without flatting and have to be extra careful to not slam anything. Previously my favourite rear tires have been Michelin comp24 2.2 and Maxxis Minion DHR 2.35 supertacky. Perhaps I'll try a muddy mary, der kaiser, baron or High Roller II. In the meantime an old Hutchinson Barracuda 2.5 is doing a far better job while being 2 pounds heavier.

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    I've got the 2.4" TK's UST version on some P35 rims. Love the size and traction. The wide tire on the wide rims steer incredibly precisely. I've got a year in on these tires set up tubeless - with zero damage/flats.

    I lent those wheels to my GF and she built up some for herself.

    I've got my next set of TKs already sitting on my desk. I can't see riding anything else at the moment.

    I ride BC coastal terrain. Rocky/rooty and frequently damp.

    BTW - the 2.4" TK's are huge they max out my frame clearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post

    BTW - the 2.4" TK's are huge they max out my frame clearance.
    They'll rub on a bigger drop to flat...but I'm running 819's and they definitely aren't wide.

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    Aren't those 2.4 TK's over 1100 grams each? I thought about running them , but that's almost an extra 2 lbs rotational weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djball View Post
    Aren't those 2.4 TK's over 1100 grams each? I thought about running them , but that's almost an extra 2 lbs rotational weight.
    They are heavy, but were I live the they work great and the large volume rolls more easily over roots/rocks than the "normal" sized 2.35" tires. I'm faster on the TK's both up and down than on previous lighter tires.

    That may not be true for everyone depending on your local conditions, but I'm sold on them....
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    Hey guys. Right now (and recently) I have been running a Trailstar HD up front and an TK 2.4 (not UST) in the rear. Both tubeless. The traction is amazing. I used to run Trailstar HD front and rear, but the rear tire gets destroyed very quickly. I tried a pacestar HD for the rear, and I thought the traction was terrible!! OK traction for northern utah riding but for southern utah (rock) riding, the rear would not stick to anything.

    I did notice that a bunch of people run the Trailstar front and Pacestar rear. Am I the only one that thinks the Pacestar rear is lacking in traction?

    I do like the Trailking 2.4 in the rear, but I am thinking about putting a lighter tire (i.e. the HD) back on.

    So all things aside, what will I be faster climbing on is the question? HD Trailstar rear or TK 2.4 non-UST rear?

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    I've had the HD Vertstars and theyre the grippiest tyres out there i think but are FRO as they wear out REALLY fast. Trailstars are the best for price performance tradeoff.

    i dont run these anymore i run 2.4 Ardents (high volume) but the ground here is soft with tight twisty natural trails so you spend your time in the middle or on the edge of the tyre, alot of people dont like the ardent as theres little inbetween the extremes but ive always found them to shed dirt faster because of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adaptive View Post
    Hey guys. Right now (and recently) I have been running a Trailstar HD up front and an TK 2.4 (not UST) in the rear. Both tubeless. The traction is amazing. I used to run Trailstar HD front and rear, but the rear tire gets destroyed very quickly. I tried a pacestar HD for the rear, and I thought the traction was terrible!! OK traction for northern utah riding but for southern utah (rock) riding, the rear would not stick to anything.

    I did notice that a bunch of people run the Trailstar front and Pacestar rear. Am I the only one that thinks the Pacestar rear is lacking in traction?

    I do like the Trailking 2.4 in the rear, but I am thinking about putting a lighter tire (i.e. the HD) back on.

    So all things aside, what will I be faster climbing on is the question? HD Trailstar rear or TK 2.4 non-UST rear?
    2.2 TK? Good traction, lighter...

    I dig the 2.4 TK UST for a rear tire, but I'll take the weight penalty for traction and durability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B Gillespie View Post
    2.2 TK? Good traction, lighter...

    I dig the 2.4 TK UST for a rear tire, but I'll take the weight penalty for traction and durability.
    Yep, the Trail King 2.2 UST is a good rear tire. Still offers pretty good size too.

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    +1 2.35 HD TS front (650b), 2.4 TK rear. I find it works really well. Why change?

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    Anyone in this thread try the Schwalbe Big Betty 2.4 TSC on the front setup tubeless? I just mounted a non UST version BB 2.4 TSC with a Hans Dampf 2.35 EVO TLR TSC on the rear. My bike is all rubber right now. I'm thinking this is going to be my setup for a trip to Sedona I'm taking in a week. I'm planning to get a few rides on it before the trip but wanted to see if anyone had thoughts/observations on the Big Betty: psi, tracking, cornering and keeping it on the rim? It's not marked as tubeless ready and I like to run low pressure so burps are a concern. I'm usually a little nervous about running tires that are new to me on bigger excursions.

    I've typically gone with a 2.5 Minion DHF EXO (love it) but got a bit scared away from it after hearing about all the tubeless failures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    +1 2.35 HD TS front (650b), 2.4 TK rear. I find it works really well. Why change?
    I decided not to change for now. The new Enve rims will be outfitted with HD Trailstar Front and TK 2.4 (non-UST) rear.

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    I should have listened! Bought a set of HDs this week. Trailstar front, Pacestar rear. The front worked pretty well on our ride today, up National, down Viejo, DC back. I ran about 20psi front. 26psi rear. Front braking and cornering was very good, and the light weight made the spin back on DC rather fun.
    However, the Pacestar in the rear BLOWS. Traction on granite was marginal at best. The Specy Ground Control is an upgrade here. The PSC rear tire caused me to be very cautious when applying power on granite. It would also slide out on off camber granite. I also found braking traction to be below average. As such, the rear tire is tore up. It looks like I have 2 months of riding on it. I think I will run the PSC as a front tire on the Endo and see how it works there.

    I did replace the PSC with a Trail King 2.4 UST Black Chili. Based on the info here, this looks to be the ticket. Although the TK is heavier, it feels like it rolls rather well. Kiwanis tomorrow, That should tell me all I need to know.
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    Yeah, the Pacestar is terrible on rocks . As stated earlier, I'm running the TK 2.4 on the rear now and it works great. For what is is worth though, a Trailstar HD on the rear also works fantastically well and for the sure works great on rock surfaces as well. The TK lasts longer. As far as which rear tire is better performance, I'm not sure yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    I should have listened! Bought a set of HDs this week. Trailstar front, Pacestar rear. The front worked pretty well on our ride today, up National, down Viejo, DC back. I ran about 20psi front. 26psi rear. Front braking and cornering was very good, and the light weight made the spin back on DC rather fun.
    However, the Pacestar in the rear BLOWS. Traction on granite was marginal at best. The Specy Ground Control is an upgrade here. The PSC rear tire caused me to be very cautious when applying power on granite. It would also slide out on off camber granite. I also found braking traction to be below average. As such, the rear tire is tore up. It looks like I have 2 months of riding on it. I think I will run the PSC as a front tire on the Endo and see how it works there.

    I did replace the PSC with a Trail King 2.4 UST Black Chili. Based on the info here, this looks to be the ticket. Although the TK is heavier, it feels like it rolls rather well. Kiwanis tomorrow, That should tell me all I need to know.
    Nice feedback. I just pulled the HD TSC off the rear. I've decided the HD tires will simply not work for me front or rear. IMO they don't reward aggressive riding. I'm back to what I know and like in the Minion DHF EXO 2.5 front / Trail King 2.2 UST rear for my chunkier rides, and Butcher Control / DHR for XC/trail.

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    I'm waiting for the TR version of the Maxxis tires to be available and I will likely go that direction as well. I was able to get the HDs for $56 each, so cheaper than the Specy tires I normally get and figured it was worth the try. If I don't like the tires, they will wear out quickly enough. Hoping the TK works out. Seems like a really good compound, and people say it wears exceptionally well. Plus, it is a good ol' paddle tire. A 2.2 UST would be my preferred choice for weight purposes, but the LBS only had the 2.4.

    My biggest complaint with the Specy butcher SX it is wears so fast. The side knobs get under cut very quickly. Seems like the Maxxis tires wear more evenly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    I'm waiting for the TR version of the Maxxis tires to be available and I will likely go that direction as well. I was able to get the HDs for $56 each, so cheaper than the Specy tires I normally get and figured it was worth the try. If I don't like the tires, they will wear out quickly enough. Hoping the TK works out. Seems like a really good compound, and people say it wears exceptionally well. Plus, it is a good ol' paddle tire. A 2.2 UST would be my preferred choice for weight purposes, but the LBS only had the 2.4.

    My biggest complaint with the Specy butcher SX it is wears so fast. The side knobs get under cut very quickly. Seems like the Maxxis tires wear more evenly.
    That's a good deal you got on the HD's. I have a stockpile of tires that didn't pass go. I spent a lot of money to end up right back at what I already knew works for me. I really like the Butcher Control it keeps amazing me with how well it tracks and rails the corners. I would definitely consider an SX if I could find one. I'm going to test the 2.4 Big Betty tomorrow but if it falters the DHF will be on for my Sedona trip. The BB 2.4 is HUGE, square profile, but no defined channel that I prefer like on the Butcher and DHF.

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    Surprised that no one has chimed in about these.

    Continental Baron Black Chili 2.3in Tyre Review - BikeRadar

    Best all around tyres that I have used.

    Almost a year old & still going strong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by material guy View Post
    Surprised that no one has chimed in about these.

    Continental Baron Black Chili 2.3in Tyre Review - BikeRadar

    Best all around tyres that I have used..

    Almost a year old & still going strong!
    I have a set of Barons which are very good, but not as smooth rolling as the bigger 2.4 TK's.

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    I had the 2.4 TK's and found that they did not handle the aggressive cornering as well as the Barons do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by material guy View Post
    Surprised that no one has chimed in about these.

    Continental Baron Black Chili 2.3in Tyre Review - BikeRadar

    Best all around tyres that I have used.

    Almost a year old & still going strong!
    Nice. I had picked one up at one point to use, but opted for the TK instead. They're on my list, but right now, the Butcher SX f and HD rear...I've no complaints. Don't even think about tires.

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    I'm looking for a new front tire to try out, just something to compare to my Muddy Mary. Maybe I should give the Butcher SX a shot based on some of your guys comments. Does it play well tubeless with a Flow rim?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    I'm looking for a new front tire to try out, just something to compare to my Muddy Mary. Maybe I should give the Butcher SX a shot based on some of your guys comments. Does it play well tubeless with a Flow rim?
    Hmm...I cannot compare it to the MM, while I do have time on that tire for DH riding, conditions were drastically different. I'm running the Butcher SX tubed with the Flow, so I am pretty useless here all around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    I'm looking for a new front tire to try out, just something to compare to my Muddy Mary. Maybe I should give the Butcher SX a shot based on some of your guys comments. Does it play well tubeless with a Flow rim?
    HD doesn't even come close, side walls are thinner and it washes(SG is def better/beefier than the MM FR sidewalls though) and HD tread floats around in sand. . To get similar grip to my MM, fully cut off half of all the transition knobs and it became MUCH better. Been meaning to take off the rest but it's such a btch

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    Sweet setup like this w/ black chilly TK rear

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    FWIW, I really like the Hans in pretty much all conditions here in the PNW. I've only ran it in the rear however. (I like Muddy Mary up front). I also ran the trail star compound, tubeless on Flows, and about 27 psi. I'm about 215 RTR, but I might start trying to lower my PSI a bit.

    The one on my hardtail has been on awhile and still has life left in it, but that doesn't see as much riding as the Chili. The first one on the Chili lasted ok the first few months I had it, say April until about July. Then I really started working on my corners, and the thing went to hell in a handbasket fast. Knobs tearing, some ripping clean off. I threw another one on since I got a pair of new ones for a screaming deal, so we'll see how this one wears.

    If this one wears fast like the last one, I might give the Pace Star compound a go.
    I was re-reading back over this thread to refresh my memory about the comments on certain tires. The HD TSC that I mentioned above that fell apart was warrantied by Schwalbe. I threw it in a corner last fall and forgot about it until a few months ago, and filled out the warranty claim online. Figured it was worth a shot before I threw it in the trash.

    Ended up speaking with a Schwalbe rep, and he said they can't figure out why some HD's do this (knobs just tearing and ripping completely off). He said they have tires out of the same batches doing this, and others holding up just fine. So who knows...
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    I had an opportunity to get out on the HD/TK combo today. The ride started up Kiwanis, a ledgy techy climb, then up National west which is a lengthy chunky mixed climb, followed by flowing XC'ish terrain which is mostly very loose. I must say the TK is the best rear tire I have used in quite some time. Certainly better than any of the Specy tires I have used. Considering the tire is approaching 1100 grams, it rode very light. The tire rolls exceptionally well for a big, sticky tire.

    I found with the TK that I could power in spots where I would often have to let off a bit to avoid the rear tire from breaking loose. This helped me clean some things that I have not cleaned in a while. Overall, pretty happy right now with this combo. I have several other rides I like to do before I be sure this is a good overall combo.
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    Yeah the 2.4 TK in black chili is a boss of a tire - wet or dry. FWIW, mine lasted a long time, even out back. Keep us posted on whatcha think, glad you are happy (right now)!

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    I have had great success with using Hans Dampf on my Chilcotin. I run TSC front / PSC rear. In fact they are the best tires I've ever used in 11+ years of mountain biking. I ride in So. California, but they also did great in Seattle when I rode there.

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    The HD PSC is one of the worst rear tires I have ever used. The TK is so much better. I'm not sure the HD TSC is going to be the front tire of choice for me either. Time will tell. I can see the TK 2.2 making its on my Endo too.
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    First ride yesterday on the Butcher 2.5 SX front and TK 2.4 Apex UST rear. Heavy combo, but rolls nice for FR/DH tires. Both grip extremely well on loose climbs and wet limestone. The Butcher has better lateral grip than the TK and corners very well. Some have complained about the TK cornering, but I never had too many issues; however, the lateral grip is vastly improved with the Butcher. This combo rolls better than Minions, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LncNuvue View Post
    That's a good deal you got on the HD's. I have a stockpile of tires that didn't pass go. I spent a lot of money to end up right back at what I already knew works for me. I really like the Butcher Control it keeps amazing me with how well it tracks and rails the corners. I would definitely consider an SX if I could find one. I'm going to test the 2.4 Big Betty tomorrow but if it falters the DHF will be on for my Sedona trip. The BB 2.4 is HUGE, square profile, but no defined channel that I prefer like on the Butcher and DHF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    How did the BB work out for you?
    So far so good. I rode in Idyllwild today where the terrain is a bit loamier with some techy granite climbs, boulders, rollers and chutes here and there, think sierra singletrack. First thing I noticed was how calm the tire made the bike feel compared to the Butcher, having the UST Trail King on the rear helped too. It just eliminated the chatter. This is mostly due to the size difference and the heavier casing I believe. It felt a bit smoother than the DHF too as the large square knobs on the DHF can send some feedback up through the bars. After a 1/4 way through the ride I began to really feel confident enough to ride the Big Betty exactly how I would the DHF or Butcher, weighting the bars in corners and counter steering without fearing the front end would go on me. It braked well and held a straight line, something I thought the HD lacked. Tuesday I'm going to ride down here in the desert so that will tell me a lot more. I've had tires perform great up in the mountains but then turn out to lack the cornering traction in the desert. I have a feeling this Big Betty will do fine though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LncNuvue View Post
    So far so good. I rode in Idyllwild today where the terrain is a bit loamier with some techy granite climbs, boulders, rollers and chutes here and there, think sierra singletrack. First thing I noticed was how calm the tire made the bike feel compared to the Butcher, having the UST Trail King on the rear helped too. It just eliminated the chatter. This is mostly due to the size difference and the heavier casing I believe. It felt a bit smoother than the DHF too as the large square knobs on the DHF can send some feedback up through the bars. After a 1/4 way through the ride I began to really feel confident enough to ride the Big Betty exactly how I would the DHF or Butcher, weighting the bars in corners and counter steering without fearing the front end would go on me. It braked well and held a straight line, something I thought the HD lacked. Tuesday I'm going to ride down here in the desert so that will tell me a lot more. I've had tires perform great up in the mountains but then turn out to lack the cornering traction in the desert. I have a feeling this Big Betty will do fine though.

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    That sounds good to me. Does the BB have the same sidewalls that the HD has? Looking at the photos, it seems like it might be very similar to a Minion or Butcher. EBikestop.com has really good prices on the BB, so I am curious to hear more about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    That sounds good to me. Does the BB have the same sidewalls that the HD has? Looking at the photos, it seems like it might be very similar to a Minion or Butcher. EBikestop.com has really good prices on the BB, so I am curious to hear more about it.
    Yes, same snakeskin sidewall and similar casing as the HD. It's not listed as TLR though. It mounted right away and I ran 18psi on the first ride. It's very square and huge volume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LncNuvue View Post
    Yes, same snakeskin sidewall and similar casing as the HD. It's not listed as TLR though. It mounted right away and I ran 18psi on the first ride. It's very square and huge volume.
    LucNuvue, so I take it you are running it tubeless? The Muddy Mary I am running (on a Flow), mounted up immediately as well, and no issues in a year. Same sidewall and casing as the HD as well.

    I might have to give the Big Betty another try and jump on one. I've not ran one in a few years, but it was a great tire when I did run it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    LucNuvue, so I take it you are running it tubeless? The Muddy Mary I am running (on a Flow), mounted up immediately as well, and no issues in a year. Same sidewall and casing as the HD as well.
    Yep, tubeless on Flows.

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    Lance, FWIW I ran the Big betty non UST version tubeless in Nevada for about a year, and it worked great, no issues at all. It rolls pretty good too btw and the sidewalls are tough. My question is did you have issues getting that tire on your rim? I recently tried to get it back on my front wheel rim and could not get it to work, not sure what I did right the first time but either my rim got larger or tire shrunk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman69 View Post
    Lance, FWIW I ran the Big betty non UST version tubeless in Nevada for about a year, and it worked great, no issues at all. It rolls pretty good too btw and the sidewalls are tough. My question is did you have issues getting that tire on your rim? I recently tried to get it back on my front wheel rim and could not get it to work, not sure what I did right the first time but either my rim got larger or tire shrunk!
    It went on the rim just fine. If you are able to get it on the rim but not mounted try pulling the core of the valve stem out and airing it up to set the bead, soaping the bead helps too. Reinstall the valve core and air it up again. I've had to do that with a few tires that were being stubborn about mounting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LncNuvue View Post
    It went on the rim just fine. If you are able to get it on the rim but not mounted try pulling the core of the valve stem out and airing it up to set the bead, soaping the bead helps too. Reinstall the valve core and air it up again. I've had to do that with a few tires that were being stubborn about mounting.
    I can get one side of the tire mounted on rim, its the other side I can get completely over, even with soap! about 6-7 inches keep from getting over the rim. M

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyak View Post
    You chose wisely. I've seen how hard you ride. You would've blown those things apart. I got about 2 months of riding on my HD's before putting them away. I was riding them tubeless at the time and the 1st month was great. They went steadily down hill after that. I was flatting at least once a ride. I tried them with tubes for a couple of weeks and it got worse. Besides that the tread wore so fast it was ridiculous. If I stuck with them I'd been lucky to get 3 months out of them.
    Woodyak, I have the same experience with HD PSC in Lynn Woods. It is just the wrong tire for this park. every sharp granite rock punctures the tire, 3 rides - 3 punctures. I thought it only happened on jumps but got it on a roller yesterday. Never had this issue with Butcher Control or Maxis High roller. Going to try it with tube but I have my doubts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilyam3 View Post
    Woodyak, I have the same experience with HD PSC in Lynn Woods. It is just the wrong tire for this park. every sharp granite rock punctures the tire, 3 rides - 3 punctures. I thought it only happened on jumps but got it on a roller yesterday. Never had this issue with Butcher Control or Maxis High roller. Going to try it with tube but I have my doubts.
    Glad it's not just me. Everyone on the Internet loves these tires. I gotta wonder what kinda terrain people are riding because these things were terrible for me. Still stuck on the Ardents myself. Gonna give the Trail Kings a try next.

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    From what I read the general consensus seems to be the people that ride really rocky areas tend to hate the Dampfs. The folks who ride in areas with less rock and more dirt (here in the PNW, NorCal, etc, for instance), seem to love them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyak View Post
    Glad it's not just me. Everyone on the Internet loves these tires. I gotta wonder what kinda terrain people are riding because these things were terrible for me. Still stuck on the Ardents myself. Gonna give the Trail Kings a try next.
    Yep, all the love these things get I figured I would try them out. So far, the front tire is average, but the Trail King as a rear tire is in a whole other league than the HD for our terrain. It has only been one ride, but it was very positive. I'm hoping the Big Betty works out for Lance, as it seems like it might be a good choice for a front tire. Not sure I want to run the TK as a front, but I might have to try it out. One thing I really appreciate about the HD and the TK is the additional volume, it makes a noticeable difference.

    I'll know more on the TK after we hit Holbert. If a tire works well on that trail, then it should work for everything I need.
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    I ride very rocky trails of upstate ny on my endorphin using a 2.35 HD tsc up front and I love it. I do not love th durability of the knobs though, after 1 season of riding all of the side knobs are hanging on for dear life. I used is tire in the rear and hated it, felt like an anchor...maybe th Psc version would have felt better.

    I am trying to find a new rear tire for this set up, 3 years of my 2.25 wtb moto raptor and I think it's time to retire it. Thinking of spec purgatory at the moment, or maybe a 2.25 high roller. I definitely want something faster around 2.25 in the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    I'm hoping the Big Betty works out for Lance, as it seems like it might be a good choice for a front tire.
    I just got in from a morning ride in the desert. The trails are dry and crude right now, very loose over hardpack, fast babyhead descents braking into switchbacks, flat corners, ruts, etc. I have to say the Big Betty was amazing. The tire never budged in the corners and flattened everything in its path. It's early to say it but this might be the best tire I've ever ridden. I'm not sure if it was the volume or what but every time I pedaled into a descent the bike felt like it took off. It was AWESOME! It braked perfectly in rough loose stuff and I was carrying stupid speeds into switchbacks braking hard into them and cleaning them just fine. I did find the limits of the TK on the rear, with the higher speeds the rear end was all over the place -- it's not the best at hard cornering in the desert. It just doesn't have the side knobs for it -- it's still a great tire that works for a lot of trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LncNuvue View Post
    I just got in from a morning ride in the desert. The trails are dry and crude right now, very loose over hardpack, fast babyhead descents braking into switchbacks, flat corners, ruts, etc. I have to say the Big Betty was amazing. The tire never budged in the corners and flattened everything in its path. It's early to say it but this might be the best tire I've ever ridden. I'm not sure if it was the volume or what but every time I pedaled into a descent the bike felt like it took off. It was AWESOME! It braked perfectly in rough loose stuff and I was carrying stupid speeds into switchbacks braking hard into them and cleaning them just fine. I did find the limits of the TK on the rear, with the higher speeds the rear end was all over the place -- it's not the best at hard cornering in the desert. It just doesn't have the side knobs for it -- it's still a great tire that works for a lot of trails.
    Thanks for the review. I am curious how the BB would work as a rear tire. I suspect pretty good, if the TSC would hold up. With the knobs being bigger, they may fair better than the HDs. My concern with the TK is the cornering as well. Seems like the side knobs are not directed enough outward, but rather upward, if that makes sense.
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