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    First shipment of Cane Creek DBA-CS has arrived!

    These are ready to ship on all Endorphin and Chilcotin orders. Get 'em while you can.



    These units come with frame purchases only, no one-off sales. Sorry!
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    I hear that once you install one of these you can huck 2' higher to flat then when you had the regular ccdb air.

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    Is this shock really necessary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    Is this shock really necessary?
    All the mountain bike groupies will throw their pannies at you as you cruise by rocking the latest, so yes, it is necessary.

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    I am excited for this product. It took a bit to figure out, because I wanted to get the correct one for my Delirium. Big thanks to Noel for assisting!

    Dominator and I got our buddy to make us little adjusting levers for LSC on the DB Air with a 3D printer. It is really cool to be able to tinker with this on the trail without stopping and pulling out the Cane Creek tool. I know Cane Creek likes the idea of set and forget, but adjusting the LSC is subtle but noticeable. It helps to find the magic spot. When the CS was announced, Dom and I got an additional lever for the LSR to tinker with both on the fly. You can feel the difference. I am excited to try DB Air CS with only one lever and a tune that has been designed by Knolly.

    Mine is ordered and will get it in about 2 weeks. I will report back when I get some trail time.

    So far I like the DB air shock and prefer it to the DB coil. As I tell my buddies, I feel like it is cheating, particular on the downhills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    Is this shock really necessary?
    yes, yes it is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    I am excited for this product. It took a bit to figure out, because I wanted to get the correct one for my Delirium. Big thanks to Noel for assisting!

    Dominator and I got our buddy to make us little adjusting levers for LSC on the DB Air with a 3D printer. It is really cool to be able to tinker with this on the trail without stopping and pulling out the Cane Creek tool. I know Cane Creek likes the idea of set and forget, but adjusting the LSC is subtle but noticeable. It helps to find the magic spot. When the CS was announced, Dom and I got an additional lever for the LSR to tinker with both on the fly. You can feel the difference. I am excited to try DB Air CS with only one lever and a tune that has been designed by Knolly.

    Mine is ordered and will get it in about 2 weeks. I will report back when I get some trail time.

    So far I like the DB air shock and prefer it to the DB coil. As I tell my buddies, I feel like it is cheating, particular on the downhills.
    big respect for the 3d printing shock mod idea, nice one.

    what the climb switch is going to be great for is getting up and over bits of the trail that were just a bit beyond your abilities before...as those have ridden it on a knolly have found it to assist tech climbing

    I've always found my knolly to climb really well so for cane creek to come out with a shock that makes it even better well.....

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    Hello.
    A doubt about the CS. I have the CCDB air version and I like to switch to this one. The configuation of the parameters of the CS. Are estandar? or are made for each kind of frame/linkage?

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    I think they are specified for each frame individually...

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    Rather than quote a bunch of people I'll just say this

    I've never felt that had I reached down and flicked a little lever on the RP23 I would have made a certain section of trail. If I feel like my rear suspension is going to hold me back on a ride, I take out the Surface.

    Hopefully this CCDBA-CS results in some screaming deals on regular 8.5x2.5 Airs now

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonzoo View Post
    I think they are specified for each frame individually...
    can anyone else shed any more light on this,,,, are the shocks custom tuned to each frame,,,
    im a little concerned now as i have one on order from a shop, and am worried that it isnt going to be compatible with my endorphin,
    i did see a video a few days back of one on a specialised, and it said they (spesh) had worked with canecreek for a custom tune for the bike, it said the cs part was custom tuned to the frame, if this is the case then would i be better off canceling my order, and going through knolly, or even getting a vipr 2 instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    can anyone else shed any more light on this,,,, are the shocks custom tuned to each frame,,,
    im a little concerned now as i have one on order from a shop, and am worried that it isnt going to be compatible with my endorphin,
    i did see a video a few days back of one on a specialised, and it said they (spesh) had worked with canecreek for a custom tune for the bike, it said the cs part was custom tuned to the frame, if this is the case then would i be better off canceling my order, and going through knolly, or even getting a vipr 2 instead.
    I emailed knolly and cane creek about this a few weeks ago...knolly requested a stiff tune from cc....cc told me that the generic tune is also very stiff...so I concluded that there's likely to be little to no difference in practice...but that at best is a guess.

    Dusty can you confirm what the deal is here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    Rather than quote a bunch of people I'll just say this

    I've never felt that had I reached down and flicked a little lever on the RP23 I would have made a certain section of trail. If I feel like my rear suspension is going to hold me back on a ride, I take out the Surface.

    Hopefully this CCDBA-CS results in some screaming deals on regular 8.5x2.5 Airs now
    the cs is a different platform from an rp23...

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    I was confused by the tune for the longest time. I chatted with bike shop, bike shop chatted with Cane Creek, I argued with bike shop about misinformation based on internet descriptions, eventually called Cane Creek, Cane Creek representative wasn't 100% sure, placed me on hold multiple times to answer my questions. I lost confidence in what was true. I contacted the one person who knows everything bike related - Noel Buckley - got real answers.

    I'm paraphrasing my understanding and conversation with Noel.

    The CS tune is an extra circuit that runs in addition to the external tune, when turned on. However, this addition is not linear and is based on the external tune. Companies (like Knolly) test the DB AIR CS with first their external tune and then tinker with the CS tune. These are determined together. Knolly has provided base tunes for the Endorphin, Chilcotin, and Podium to Cane Creek. All your dealer has to do is say which bike model. I am getting one for my Delirium which Cane Creek did not have, so I need to understand this to get the correct shock tune. Noel being the guy behind the Knolly suspension was able to provide a very good guestimate for the Delirium, even though they didn't test for it.

    In the end, if you are buying a Knolly DB AIR CS shock for any of their primary models - Endorphin, Chilcotiin, and Podium - they have those settings on file, so no need to worry.

    If you bike isn't in their system, they have an OEM tune setting, which supposedly is median of their test bikes.

    In setting the normal DB AIr, we find an ideal setting for climbing and descending and stick with it. However, it is a bit of a compromise. With the CS, we get the best of both worlds plusher for descending and firmer for climbing. As I have learned with the LSC lever and now the LSR lever, the range of 5-6 clicks though subtle makes a big difference in ride behavior. Noel pointed this out to me.

    I am excited about the shock, because I will get a bit better pedaler without being a true lock-out maintaining Knolly's active suspension and traction and then get a bit plusher ride on the downhill. What is not to like, well except the price, but performance comes with a price.

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    I think this shock is going to be a great option for the Chili/Delirium/etc type crowd that do alot of climbing to earn their downs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    I was confused by the tune for the longest time. I chatted with bike shop, bike shop chatted with Cane Creek, I argued with bike shop about misinformation based on internet descriptions, eventually called Cane Creek, Cane Creek representative wasn't 100% sure, placed me on hold multiple times to answer my questions. I lost confidence in what was true. I contacted the one person who knows everything bike related - Noel Buckley - got real answers.

    I'm paraphrasing my understanding and conversation with Noel.

    The CS tune is an extra circuit that runs in addition to the external tune, when turned on. However, this addition is not linear and is based on the external tune. Companies (like Knolly) test the DB AIR CS with first their external tune and then tinker with the CS tune. These are determined together. Knolly has provided base tunes for the Endorphin, Chilcotin, and Podium to Cane Creek. All your dealer has to do is say which bike model. I am getting one for my Delirium which Cane Creek did not have, so I need to understand this to get the correct shock tune. Noel being the guy behind the Knolly suspension was able to provide a very good guestimate for the Delirium, even though they didn't test for it.

    In the end, if you are buying a Knolly DB AIR CS shock for any of their primary models - Endorphin, Chilcotiin, and Podium - they have those settings on file, so no need to worry.

    If you bike isn't in their system, they have an OEM tune setting, which supposedly is median of their test bikes.

    In setting the normal DB AIr, we find an ideal setting for climbing and descending and stick with it. However, it is a bit of a compromise. With the CS, we get the best of both worlds plusher for descending and firmer for climbing. As I have learned with the LSC lever and now the LSR lever, the range of 5-6 clicks though subtle makes a big difference in ride behavior. Noel pointed this out to me.

    I am excited about the shock, because I will get a bit better pedaler without being a true lock-out maintaining Knolly's active suspension and traction and then get a bit plusher ride on the downhill. What is not to like, well except the price, but performance comes with a price.
    Could you post a picture of your setup? It sounds awesome.

    How much do you add or take off for climbing and descending?

    I'm not sure I understood exactly what you mean when you say that the cs is based on the external tune. Is it that wherever you have your lsc and lsr set, it adds a specified amount of clicks to each that you can possibly decide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    The CS tune is an extra circuit that runs in addition to the external tune, when turned on. However, this addition is not linear and is based on the external tune.
    Thanks alot for your explanation, cleared up my doubts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    Is this shock really necessary?
    Yes. It is a shame to have a second rate damper on well designed suspension.

    Now is the CS switch necessary? Maybe, maybe not. I prefer to set and forget but this is supposed to work the same as the old model when the switch is off. They can accommodate both the switch flippers and myself with one shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    Is this shock really necessary?
    No, it isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
    No, it isn't.
    I would have strongly considered, and maybe even purchased the CC had this switch been available when I bought my frame.

    I wanted the pro pedal function, and fox offered the best option until now. I think they may stand to gain from the CTD system that few seem happy with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedeathstar View Post
    Could you post a picture of your setup? It sounds awesome.

    How much do you add or take off for climbing and descending?

    I'm not sure I understood exactly what you mean when you say that the cs is based on the external tune. Is it that wherever you have your lsc and lsr set, it adds a specified amount of clicks to each that you can possibly decide?
    I keep trying to uploaded pictures, but MTBR is broken right now and says I don't have access. When they fix it, I will post pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    I keep trying to uploaded pictures, but MTBR is broken right now and says I don't have access. When they fix it, I will post pictures.

    Something's wrong with the site, I'm not getting any updates to the threads I'm subscribing to. MTBR, you're doing it all wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedeathstar View Post

    How much do you add or take off for climbing and descending?
    The little lever only allows for ~ 5 clicks. I have it dialed so that in the middle setting is it my standard position and then depending on the climb or descents I add or substract clicks.

    Quote Originally Posted by thedeathstar View Post

    I'm not sure I understood exactly what you mean when you say that the cs is based on the external tune. Is it that wherever you have your lsc and lsr set, it adds a specified amount of clicks to each that you can possibly decide?
    The external tune - it what we can adjust. However, each bike suspension has a particular external tune (see the Cane Creek website). The CS is not a direct number of clicks. It is adjustment of the valves, guts, etc. Knolly and others will first set the external setting and then base the CS tune relative to the external setting. From my understanding, if you deviate a lot from the external Knolly tune, then the CS tune may not be as good, but I don't think it will be bad. This because the CS is an additional circuit, so you will also get some more LSC and LSR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    can anyone else shed any more light on this,,,, are the shocks custom tuned to each frame,,,
    im a little concerned now as i have one on order from a shop, and am worried that it isnt going to be compatible with my endorphin,
    i did see a video a few days back of one on a specialised, and it said they (spesh) had worked with canecreek for a custom tune for the bike, it said the cs part was custom tuned to the frame, if this is the case then would i be better off canceling my order, and going through knolly, or even getting a vipr 2 instead.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    From my understanding, if you deviate a lot from the external Knolly tune, then the CS tune may not be as good, but I don't think it will be bad. This because the CS is an additional circuit, so you will also get some more LSC and LSR.
    Ian if the Dude! is right, you might be better cancelling the order for the time being and going with the Vipr2...

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    Interesting that the CS is tuned to each specific bike. It is going to make the second hand CCDB market a lot more complicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Interesting that the CS is tuned to each specific bike. It is going to make the second hand CCDB market a lot more complicated.
    Your wide has the Podium for pedaling? If so, the could be a great addition. I wonder if more single-crown podiums will pop up with this new shock.

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    My wide? Yes my wife has a Podium that she pedals, but the regular CCDBA really doesnt move all that much when she is pedalling. It only gets climbed on fire roads and to and from the lift at Whistler. To be honest, I didnt really feel the need for a CS on the CCDBA at all, but I guess CC is trying to address someone's concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    My wide?
    haha - Oopps sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buzz View Post
    my wide? yes my wife has a podium that she pedals, but the regular ccdba really doesnt move all that much when she is pedalling. It only gets climbed on fire roads and to and from the lift at whistler. To be honest, i didnt really feel the need for a cs on the ccdba at all, but i guess cc is trying to address someone's concerns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Interesting that the CS is tuned to each specific bike. It is going to make the second hand CCDB market a lot more complicated.
    This is still confusing. The way I understand it is all CCDB CS are the same. Every bike manufacturer has specific tunes for their bikes. Just like the old shock, the new shock has a base tune that is recommended from the manufacturer. This base tune effects the CS. If you deviate from the recommended base tune, you change the feel of the CS. It is not just an on/off lockout switch.

    I don't think they are selling specific tunes like RS and Fox.

    Can anyone confirm or deny this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-AIR View Post
    This is still confusing. The way I understand it is all CCDB CS are the same. Every bike manufacturer has specific tunes for their bikes. Just like the old shock, the new shock has a base tune that is recommended from the manufacturer. This base tune effects the CS. If you deviate from the recommended base tune, you change the feel of the CS. It is not just an on/off lockout switch.

    I don't think they are selling specific tunes like RS and Fox.

    Can anyone confirm or deny this?
    That is not how I understood it from the Bike Radar link CFrench provided. It said there were five different levels of CS available. This makes sense as a DW bike would require less additional dampening than a bike with less pedal feedback. Personally, I would prefer less change as I prefer an active bike even when climbing.
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    Ah! I guess I should have read that. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

    It will be interesting to see if this shock is a game changer. At this point I just don't see a point to upgrade but if a new frame came with it I would be stoked.

    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Giggity View Post
    That is not how I understood it from the Bike Radar link CFrench provided. It said there were five different levels of CS available. This makes sense as a DW bike would require less additional dampening than a bike with less pedal feedback. Personally, I would prefer less change as I prefer an active bike even when climbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-AIR View Post
    Ah! I guess I should have read that. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

    It will be interesting to see if this shock is a game changer. At this point I just don't see a point to upgrade but if a new frame came with it I would be stoked.
    Do you already have a DB air? If so, I don't see the need to upgrade. I already add 1 click of LSC and LSR if I need more efficiency and reduce them by one if it is really greasy. I don't need anything more but I am not the customer this is aimed at.
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    the extra squishiness CCDB on my Chili is actually a good attribute on technical climbing,
    Adding a CS would be nice for a long fire road climbs but though not necessarily needed,
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    crhis/jamie,,,,,
    based on what i have read here, and email from noel ive decided to cancel my order, and go for the bos vipr2, (if i can get one) i have emailed a few shops and bos themselves to see who's got them available,

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    I think it depends on the trails you are riding. In New England we have a lot of ups and downs instead of 1 or 2 big ups and 1 or 2 big downs. This means you are always climbing, even when descending (somehow). So if the trail is kinda smooth and pedally I find the Chilly holds me back when I stand up and hammer, especially if you can't pump through the trail. Now when the trail gets boney you want it mega-plush. So either set it up super-plush and suffer on the straight-aways or I set it up stiff and suffer on the bony trails. With this new shock I can have the best of both worlds. I'd be seriously tempted with the CCDBC-CS for extra plushness. I also like that I can use an allen wrench to adjust vs. that tool that I always lose.

    I think that's why I've been riding my Endo almost exclusively lately. I can plush it out or I can stiffen it up to pedal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyak View Post

    I think that's why I've been riding my Endo almost exclusively lately. I can plush it out or I can stiffen it up to pedal.
    Wood, what shock are you running on your Endo, did you keep the stock Fox CTD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    crhis/jamie,,,,,
    based on what i have read here, and email from noel ive decided to cancel my order, and go for the bos vipr2, (if i can get one) i have emailed a few shops and bos themselves to see who's got them available,
    yeah the vipr 2 is gonna be a peach as the original vipr was a country mile better than the rp23...

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    I want one of these CCDB CS but it seems i might have to wait until Knolly is able to supply them direct. Unless, we can find out on where on the scale from 1-5 (if bike radar are correct and there are 5 tunes) the knolly tune sits.

    In the meantime i need a shock for my new Endo (yes, i have just bought an Endo to tag team with my beloved Chilcotin) and the options are:

    CCDB Air (standard)
    CCDB Coil (standard)
    BOS The Kirk
    BOS Vipr2
    FOX Float-X
    Avalanche Chubie (or the Woodie..if it fits on an Endo?)

    What option should i go for?????...any ideas (while i wait for the Knolly specific CS tune to arrive aftermarket) ?

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    Here is the deal with the CCDB-Air CS shocks:


    The CS circuits (LSR & LSC) run in parallel to the standard LSR & LSC circuits.

    When CS is turned off, the shock functions exactly the same as a regular CCDB-Air shock.
    When CS is turned on, the CS circuits work alongside the original low speed damping circuits and the combined effect of the two is what gives the increased climbing performance.

    I think it would be fair to say that when a customer tunes a traditional (non CS) CCSB shock they aim for the best compromise in the LSC range: this is the right blend of achieving a firm enough pedaling platform vs. rear suspension suppleness and the ability to lift the front of the bike up when required (i.e. manual).

    However, ideally, a customer might want to move that ideal compromise setting by 1 - 3 clicks either way depending upon the situation: increasing LSC by 2 - 3 clicks will stiffen up the pedaling platform and increase climbing performance. Conversely, decreasing LSC by 1 - 3 clicks will make the bike incredibly lively and pumpy, easy to lift and toss around.

    What CS does is allow the customer to essentially tune BOTH of those settings into their shock (i.e. to bracket the ideal compromise setting): the firmer pedaling platform situation for climbing, and the more playful (i.e. descending) nature for pure suspension performance. Hence, you might end up with a stock CCDB-CS tune that's a few clicks lighter on LSC than you would normally use and then engage CS to move to a tune that's more firm than you would normally use.

    Now this great, but it really doesn't do anything more than other shocks on the market with lock out type features. Of course, with the CCDB, there are fully independent damping channels to tune, so you still get that feature, but having a lock out feature wouldn't add anything more than what other shocks offer.

    Where CS is different is in how it treats the pedaling "platform" situation: instead of over driving LSC, it increases damping on BOTH LSC and LSR. What this essentially allows the shock to do is run LESS LSC than would normally be required to firm suspension movement due to pedaling, and this enables the suspension to better follow terrain because there is less resistance to compressing the shock.

    Hopefully that explains what Cane Creek is aiming to achieve with the CS shock. How this will affect the Knolly lineup is as follows:

    Chiclotin shock options:
    Fox CTD Kashima
    CCDB-Air (Non CS): these are now discounted!
    CCDB-Air CS: this will become the new CCDB offering with the Chilcotin effective immediately

    Endorphin:
    Fox CTD Kashima (as always)
    CCDB-Air CS is now available in this model as well effective immediately

    Podium:
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    CCDB-Coil (still comes as Non CS)
    CCDB-Air CS will now be standard for CCDB-Air shocks on Podiums. This tailors slightly toward the group of customers who are setting Podiums up a bit more Free Ridey vs. full on DH frames, and has no downside for those using CCDB-Air shocks to build up lightweight full on DH race bikes.

    Please let me know if there are any other questions regarding the CCDB CS shock and how it's going to be included into our product lineup.

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    1) Do you plan to offer the CCDB Coil with CS, as this variation has been reported to follow only a month behind the Air version?

    2) Will Knolly supply aftermarket CS shocks to current Knolly owners if they want to upgrade? ..as i'm not sure there is any other way of getting the Knolly specific tune.

    3) If not, what exactly are the agreed parameters for the Knolly specific CS tune...what do we tell our custom tuning people...

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    First shipment of Cane Creek DBA-CS has arrived!

    Quote Originally Posted by knollybikes.com View Post
    The CS circuits (LSR & LSC) run in parallel to the standard LSR & LSC circuits.

    When CS is turned off, the shock functions exactly the same as a regular CCDB-Air shock.
    When CS is turned on, the CS circuits work alongside the original low speed damping circuits and the combined effect of the two is what gives the increased climbing performance.
    This is still a bit confusing. If you have two damping circuits in parallel, how can you end up having more damping than on one arm alone? Wouldn't you always end up with less damping unless you find a way to choke off the externally controlled LSC and force the oil through the CS circuit?
    And if that's the case, then you wouldn't be bracketing the external setting but only living with the preset oil flow of the CS circuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nybike1971 View Post
    This is still a bit confusing. If you have two damping circuits in parallel, how can you end up having more damping than on one arm alone? Wouldn't you always end up with less damping unless you find a way to choke off the externally controlled LSC and force the oil through the CS circuit?
    And if that's the case, then you wouldn't be bracketing the external setting but only living with the preset oil flow of the CS circuit.
    What if the CS circuit is completely separate, with it's own oil. Then you could enable or disable damping on that circuit and it would be additive. That would be my first guess, but Josh may have a more ingenious way of doing this...

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    @ nybike1971:

    Nice observation: I didn't design the shock (obviously) and my description above is the "layman's version", but I would assume that original LSR & LSC circuits are modified when CS is engaged. Regardless, what's important is that with CS turned off, the shock functions as a stock CCDB and with CS on, it provides additional LSC and LSR damping reducing the shocks movement but still maintaining traction.

    @ cfrench:

    1) The only frame that we're currently stocking CCDB-Coil shocks for is the Podium, and we don't see a lot of need here for CS for most customers. We do order CCDB-Coil shocks for Chilcotins on a special order basis (lead time 4 - 6 weeks) but we do so few of these that we haven't looked at offering CS in that situation.
    2) Possibly, but the shock will mainly be offered on frames shipping as of now (for Endorphin and Chilcotin) and on Podiums by the end of this month. For current customers looking to upgrade to CS, Cane Creek service centers will have the ability to tune the shock to the "Knolly tune" and it might be possible to order them directly from Cane Creek (through your dealer / distributor) with a Knolly specific tune as well. This is all very new, so we're working on the details at this point and will have to see what's realistic for Cane Creek to offer...
    3) Have your Cane Creek authorized tuner contact Cane Creek directly: they can get the Knolly specific tune easily from Cane Creek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knollybikes.com View Post
    @ cfrench:

    2) For current customers looking to upgrade to CS, Cane Creek service centers will have the ability to tune the shock to the "Knolly tune" and it might be possible to order them directly from Cane Creek (through your dealer / distributor) with a Knolly specific tune as well. This is all very new, so we're working on the details at this point and will have to see what's realistic for Cane Creek to offer...

    3) Have your Cane Creek authorized tuner contact Cane Creek directly: they can get the Knolly specific tune easily from Cane Creek.

    Help that helps - cheers!
    Thanks.

    I'd rather pay a few bucks extra if thats what it came down to and buy it direct from Knolly so im sure im getting the right thing, i mean how can i tell if they got it right at the service centre and also ive already been let down by cane creeks inability to provide the specification for 'the knolly tune' depsite a number of emails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Wood, what shock are you running on your Endo, did you keep the stock Fox CTD?
    Yeah, sticking with the CTD for now. Gotta keep that water bottle cage.

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