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    First shipment of Cane Creek DBA-CS has arrived!

    These are ready to ship on all Endorphin and Chilcotin orders. Get 'em while you can.



    These units come with frame purchases only, no one-off sales. Sorry!
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    I hear that once you install one of these you can huck 2' higher to flat then when you had the regular ccdb air.

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    Is this shock really necessary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    Is this shock really necessary?
    All the mountain bike groupies will throw their pannies at you as you cruise by rocking the latest, so yes, it is necessary.

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    I am excited for this product. It took a bit to figure out, because I wanted to get the correct one for my Delirium. Big thanks to Noel for assisting!

    Dominator and I got our buddy to make us little adjusting levers for LSC on the DB Air with a 3D printer. It is really cool to be able to tinker with this on the trail without stopping and pulling out the Cane Creek tool. I know Cane Creek likes the idea of set and forget, but adjusting the LSC is subtle but noticeable. It helps to find the magic spot. When the CS was announced, Dom and I got an additional lever for the LSR to tinker with both on the fly. You can feel the difference. I am excited to try DB Air CS with only one lever and a tune that has been designed by Knolly.

    Mine is ordered and will get it in about 2 weeks. I will report back when I get some trail time.

    So far I like the DB air shock and prefer it to the DB coil. As I tell my buddies, I feel like it is cheating, particular on the downhills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    Is this shock really necessary?
    yes, yes it is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    I am excited for this product. It took a bit to figure out, because I wanted to get the correct one for my Delirium. Big thanks to Noel for assisting!

    Dominator and I got our buddy to make us little adjusting levers for LSC on the DB Air with a 3D printer. It is really cool to be able to tinker with this on the trail without stopping and pulling out the Cane Creek tool. I know Cane Creek likes the idea of set and forget, but adjusting the LSC is subtle but noticeable. It helps to find the magic spot. When the CS was announced, Dom and I got an additional lever for the LSR to tinker with both on the fly. You can feel the difference. I am excited to try DB Air CS with only one lever and a tune that has been designed by Knolly.

    Mine is ordered and will get it in about 2 weeks. I will report back when I get some trail time.

    So far I like the DB air shock and prefer it to the DB coil. As I tell my buddies, I feel like it is cheating, particular on the downhills.
    big respect for the 3d printing shock mod idea, nice one.

    what the climb switch is going to be great for is getting up and over bits of the trail that were just a bit beyond your abilities before...as those have ridden it on a knolly have found it to assist tech climbing

    I've always found my knolly to climb really well so for cane creek to come out with a shock that makes it even better well.....
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    Hello.
    A doubt about the CS. I have the CCDB air version and I like to switch to this one. The configuation of the parameters of the CS. Are estandar? or are made for each kind of frame/linkage?

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    I think they are specified for each frame individually...

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    Rather than quote a bunch of people I'll just say this

    I've never felt that had I reached down and flicked a little lever on the RP23 I would have made a certain section of trail. If I feel like my rear suspension is going to hold me back on a ride, I take out the Surface.

    Hopefully this CCDBA-CS results in some screaming deals on regular 8.5x2.5 Airs now

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonzoo View Post
    I think they are specified for each frame individually...
    can anyone else shed any more light on this,,,, are the shocks custom tuned to each frame,,,
    im a little concerned now as i have one on order from a shop, and am worried that it isnt going to be compatible with my endorphin,
    i did see a video a few days back of one on a specialised, and it said they (spesh) had worked with canecreek for a custom tune for the bike, it said the cs part was custom tuned to the frame, if this is the case then would i be better off canceling my order, and going through knolly, or even getting a vipr 2 instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    can anyone else shed any more light on this,,,, are the shocks custom tuned to each frame,,,
    im a little concerned now as i have one on order from a shop, and am worried that it isnt going to be compatible with my endorphin,
    i did see a video a few days back of one on a specialised, and it said they (spesh) had worked with canecreek for a custom tune for the bike, it said the cs part was custom tuned to the frame, if this is the case then would i be better off canceling my order, and going through knolly, or even getting a vipr 2 instead.
    I emailed knolly and cane creek about this a few weeks ago...knolly requested a stiff tune from cc....cc told me that the generic tune is also very stiff...so I concluded that there's likely to be little to no difference in practice...but that at best is a guess.

    Dusty can you confirm what the deal is here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    Rather than quote a bunch of people I'll just say this

    I've never felt that had I reached down and flicked a little lever on the RP23 I would have made a certain section of trail. If I feel like my rear suspension is going to hold me back on a ride, I take out the Surface.

    Hopefully this CCDBA-CS results in some screaming deals on regular 8.5x2.5 Airs now
    the cs is a different platform from an rp23...
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    I was confused by the tune for the longest time. I chatted with bike shop, bike shop chatted with Cane Creek, I argued with bike shop about misinformation based on internet descriptions, eventually called Cane Creek, Cane Creek representative wasn't 100% sure, placed me on hold multiple times to answer my questions. I lost confidence in what was true. I contacted the one person who knows everything bike related - Noel Buckley - got real answers.

    I'm paraphrasing my understanding and conversation with Noel.

    The CS tune is an extra circuit that runs in addition to the external tune, when turned on. However, this addition is not linear and is based on the external tune. Companies (like Knolly) test the DB AIR CS with first their external tune and then tinker with the CS tune. These are determined together. Knolly has provided base tunes for the Endorphin, Chilcotin, and Podium to Cane Creek. All your dealer has to do is say which bike model. I am getting one for my Delirium which Cane Creek did not have, so I need to understand this to get the correct shock tune. Noel being the guy behind the Knolly suspension was able to provide a very good guestimate for the Delirium, even though they didn't test for it.

    In the end, if you are buying a Knolly DB AIR CS shock for any of their primary models - Endorphin, Chilcotiin, and Podium - they have those settings on file, so no need to worry.

    If you bike isn't in their system, they have an OEM tune setting, which supposedly is median of their test bikes.

    In setting the normal DB AIr, we find an ideal setting for climbing and descending and stick with it. However, it is a bit of a compromise. With the CS, we get the best of both worlds plusher for descending and firmer for climbing. As I have learned with the LSC lever and now the LSR lever, the range of 5-6 clicks though subtle makes a big difference in ride behavior. Noel pointed this out to me.

    I am excited about the shock, because I will get a bit better pedaler without being a true lock-out maintaining Knolly's active suspension and traction and then get a bit plusher ride on the downhill. What is not to like, well except the price, but performance comes with a price.

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    I think this shock is going to be a great option for the Chili/Delirium/etc type crowd that do alot of climbing to earn their downs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    I was confused by the tune for the longest time. I chatted with bike shop, bike shop chatted with Cane Creek, I argued with bike shop about misinformation based on internet descriptions, eventually called Cane Creek, Cane Creek representative wasn't 100% sure, placed me on hold multiple times to answer my questions. I lost confidence in what was true. I contacted the one person who knows everything bike related - Noel Buckley - got real answers.

    I'm paraphrasing my understanding and conversation with Noel.

    The CS tune is an extra circuit that runs in addition to the external tune, when turned on. However, this addition is not linear and is based on the external tune. Companies (like Knolly) test the DB AIR CS with first their external tune and then tinker with the CS tune. These are determined together. Knolly has provided base tunes for the Endorphin, Chilcotin, and Podium to Cane Creek. All your dealer has to do is say which bike model. I am getting one for my Delirium which Cane Creek did not have, so I need to understand this to get the correct shock tune. Noel being the guy behind the Knolly suspension was able to provide a very good guestimate for the Delirium, even though they didn't test for it.

    In the end, if you are buying a Knolly DB AIR CS shock for any of their primary models - Endorphin, Chilcotiin, and Podium - they have those settings on file, so no need to worry.

    If you bike isn't in their system, they have an OEM tune setting, which supposedly is median of their test bikes.

    In setting the normal DB AIr, we find an ideal setting for climbing and descending and stick with it. However, it is a bit of a compromise. With the CS, we get the best of both worlds plusher for descending and firmer for climbing. As I have learned with the LSC lever and now the LSR lever, the range of 5-6 clicks though subtle makes a big difference in ride behavior. Noel pointed this out to me.

    I am excited about the shock, because I will get a bit better pedaler without being a true lock-out maintaining Knolly's active suspension and traction and then get a bit plusher ride on the downhill. What is not to like, well except the price, but performance comes with a price.
    Could you post a picture of your setup? It sounds awesome.

    How much do you add or take off for climbing and descending?

    I'm not sure I understood exactly what you mean when you say that the cs is based on the external tune. Is it that wherever you have your lsc and lsr set, it adds a specified amount of clicks to each that you can possibly decide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    The CS tune is an extra circuit that runs in addition to the external tune, when turned on. However, this addition is not linear and is based on the external tune.
    Thanks alot for your explanation, cleared up my doubts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    Is this shock really necessary?
    Yes. It is a shame to have a second rate damper on well designed suspension.

    Now is the CS switch necessary? Maybe, maybe not. I prefer to set and forget but this is supposed to work the same as the old model when the switch is off. They can accommodate both the switch flippers and myself with one shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    Is this shock really necessary?
    No, it isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
    No, it isn't.
    I would have strongly considered, and maybe even purchased the CC had this switch been available when I bought my frame.

    I wanted the pro pedal function, and fox offered the best option until now. I think they may stand to gain from the CTD system that few seem happy with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedeathstar View Post
    Could you post a picture of your setup? It sounds awesome.

    How much do you add or take off for climbing and descending?

    I'm not sure I understood exactly what you mean when you say that the cs is based on the external tune. Is it that wherever you have your lsc and lsr set, it adds a specified amount of clicks to each that you can possibly decide?
    I keep trying to uploaded pictures, but MTBR is broken right now and says I don't have access. When they fix it, I will post pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    I keep trying to uploaded pictures, but MTBR is broken right now and says I don't have access. When they fix it, I will post pictures.

    Something's wrong with the site, I'm not getting any updates to the threads I'm subscribing to. MTBR, you're doing it all wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedeathstar View Post

    How much do you add or take off for climbing and descending?
    The little lever only allows for ~ 5 clicks. I have it dialed so that in the middle setting is it my standard position and then depending on the climb or descents I add or substract clicks.

    Quote Originally Posted by thedeathstar View Post

    I'm not sure I understood exactly what you mean when you say that the cs is based on the external tune. Is it that wherever you have your lsc and lsr set, it adds a specified amount of clicks to each that you can possibly decide?
    The external tune - it what we can adjust. However, each bike suspension has a particular external tune (see the Cane Creek website). The CS is not a direct number of clicks. It is adjustment of the valves, guts, etc. Knolly and others will first set the external setting and then base the CS tune relative to the external setting. From my understanding, if you deviate a lot from the external Knolly tune, then the CS tune may not be as good, but I don't think it will be bad. This because the CS is an additional circuit, so you will also get some more LSC and LSR.

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