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    Endorphin thoughts and questions

    I have two rides on familiar trails on the new Endorphin. It was a tough start to our relationship yesterday as I was extremely broken from a xfit workout the day before, the ground was super soft, my brakes were dragging AND I was grumpy...because i had been in the car driving north up to Bellingham to shred some rad trails on a new bike with none other than EBxtreme and had been turned around by a work call. Never the less, I had sorted my work sh1t out and hustled to get my first ride in as dark encroached.

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    quick rewind:- the Endo is set up to be my primary Enduro Race bike. I started racing Super D in 2011 and then this switched to Enduro for 2012. While they claim Enduro is mostly downhill...it is really glorifed XC. In Europe they are wearing FF helmets for Enduro...here we still wear XC lids. Enough said. Saying that, i want a bike that accelerates, pedals well on short steeps and flat sections of trail and is confidence inspiring on gnarly sections of trail (e.g. when i close my eyes and hope for the best). I think one of the most important factors i have noticed in my two years of racing is the ability to be need to able to put the power to the pedals on rough (rooty / rocky) trail (generally flat / rolling terrain).

    In the last two years i have raced on the following bikes in this order:- Diamond Back Mission, SC Blur LTc, Trek Remedy Carbon. Of those the Blur LTc was the standout bike, unfortunately I was between sizes and the L was too big or else i might well still be riding it. My bikes are not set up super light...that sh1t wouldnt last and would be costly. The build is mostly XT with carbon bars and fast rolling tires. Tubeless in the rear. I change front tires too often to be able to do tubeless and have never had a front pinchflat. I have two rear wheels both set up tubeless with two different tires for racing.

    Its always funny how you think you have everything dialed in pretty sweet by the top of the climb (apart from the brake drag)...then you drop into the trail and 10 seconds later youre stopping to add some rebound damping and rotate the brake levers. The cool thing is the cockpit felt totally familiar from the minute i hopped on the bike. I snuggled right in, just like hopping on my chilly. Ride 1 was okay. I felt like the bike was stable and composed and i was fast...but leaving my braking late and over braking. I didnt feel like I found my center of balance. The bike felt fast and stiff and in one or two corners where i compressed and snapped out of..i surprised myself with how responsive the bike was. Maybe that was why i was overbraking.

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    Fast Forward to today. I changed out rotors and centered my brakes, spent a bit more time measuring my sag and surprised myself that I have the CTD shock at 145psi (for about 35 - 40% sag) and RS Revelation is 85 (for about 25% sag). These are significantly different numbers to the RP23 (165) and Fox Float 32 (65). I would like to hear what pressure others are running.

    Today was just a short 1hr tester but was great. I felt so much better on the climb. I enjoyed how when the CTD is locked out...it actually compressed when i hit bigger technical roots...its the best of both worlds. You get the pedaling efficiency but also the bump compliance. Having ridden a HT for the last couple rides on these trails I noticed the pedaling efficiency of this bike but also appreciated my wheel not stopping on the bigger roots and not getting jacked up the ass. When i threw down some power...i immediately felt the results...the bike surged. I wish i could have kept up my efforts. On the flat / downhill sections i rode in trail mode (2) and was pretty stoked. The bike is definitely responsive and am pretty sure i rode the trails as fast as i ever have.

    I noticed a new found confidence or maybe sense of adventure as i entered corners higher and later and deliberately increased my arc despite knowing of trees and roots at the apex. The bike was super easy to compress and pop out of corners avoiding these dangers. I would ride those corners differently on the Chilly with its deeper and more forgiving suspension. I can definitely feel this suspension is firmer and more responsive which is exactly what i want from a trail bike.

    I have been riding my new pumptrack at home a lot lately and this is starting to influence my trail riding...so I was concentrating on not pedaling but pumping and unweighting over features to generate speed. The bike defintely responded to my efforts and was super nimble and responsive. When I try do this on the Chilly its a totally different experience...but its understandable. The chilly is set up with a 36 fork, Avy shock, 2.5 Minion EXO front tire and 2.35 Specialized Butcher SX on the back. All of this combined adds up to a trail damping effect. It is just so awesome to not feel all that damping ...but to have more interaction with the trail..but at the same time to be able to soak up trail features when you need to. Now that i have said that..i know my two bikes are different. On my local FR trails...i need every bit of trail damping to deal with the non stop rocks and big hits...thats exactly why the Chilly is so awesome up there. I understand that for the pedalling efficiency and trail responsiveness I am going to compromise in other areas.

    The adventure continues. Another ride with a mate who is on his new carbon Stumpy and who will definitely push me hard.

    Any input from other folks riding the CTD and the revelation would be appreciated (T'isser)
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    Lovely bike and nice write up!

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    Thanks for the great write up. I hear you loud and clear about the responsiveness. I am falling deeply in love with my Endo after about 10-12 rides. The side to side responsiveness leaves me grinning ear to ear. I keep going faster and faster into turns and haven't really found the limit. Same tires, wheels and everything else as my former bike. I am climbing better now too. As for the CTD, I struggled at first - too firm, too soft - so I brought it to The BikeCo for a little TLC. They won't tell me what they did, but they made it much better. I think they added or changed a spacer to have it ramp up more, thus allowing me to use lower pressure. It's now about as good as Fox air suspension gets. The Marz 55 on the front is a great fork on the Endo.

    Glad you are getting to know and love your Endo, and thanks again for the great report.

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    A solid thrashing

    I went out for my third ride in three days on the Endo. Trail conditions simply do not get better than this in the PNW if you ask me. Slippery and soft. Some lines were virtually impossible to ride. I would go high right and my buddy would try a different line and both of us might end up at 90 degrees to the trail with a foot out. I love that. We did 20 miles with 5500 feet of climbing. I cant say the Endo felt like it pedalled well...because the road and trail were super soft, but I believe it felt as good as any bike could possibly have felt. On the climbs I played around with the CTD in climb and trail mode and enjoyed the subtle differences. At times i preferred the climb mode, but would switch to trail for a change.

    I weigh about 185 in my riding gear and increased my shock pressure to 150 (from 145), i would estimate my sag at around 25-30%. The RS Rev fork is unchanged at 85.

    The bike felt absolutely awesome on the trail...superb. I couldnt be happier. These were legit trails that i have only ever ridden on the Chilly...and the Endo was awesome. I would say even more fun. I have no trouble saying that the Endo is like a 'mini chilly'. The cockpit and riding position all feel the same and I had no problem riding aggresive trails on this bike. When i pick my weapon for the days ride...i will make my choice based on the trails and whether i intend hitting any bigger features. I have no doubt the Endo will feel awesome in the air and I look forward to hitting some lips. If there are big jumps with harsh landings or drops to flat...i guess i would choose the Chilly or be comfortable riding around them. i have clipless pedals on the Endo and i dont really hit the big stuff clipped in anyway...so that helps with my decision.

    Never dropped a chain once...with the roller removed from my chain guide. XT derailuer with clutch FTW.

    Note how different my bike looks to T'isser's bike after a 20 mile ride. You can see where I have removed the roller on the guide..and where the clunking might be coming from.

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    There is a clunking sound coming from the bottom of bike somewhere. It might be because i am running my E13 guide without the roller and it could be the chain hitting the bashguard where the roller was. I wrapped some inner tube around that little piece...but it didnt help. I will either cut that off the bash of try a different guide. Cant imagine what else it might be.

    The CTD shock does NOT push the rubber ring off the shaft - like the RP23 would. I am assuming this is because of the spacer / bumper inserted internally. That is interesting because Noel would always say that the rubber ring SHOULD be pushed off the shaft...that way you know you are using full travel. Now however...it is at least 3 or 4mm from the bottom of the shaft. Interesting.
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    I am running a MRP guide with a Zee derailleur. A while back the trail removed my lower roller for me. I have been hitting some rough terrain lately and have no clunking, thuding or chain slap. I do run my chain pretty short though, could your chain maybe be too long?

    BTW looks like the Endo got a proper thrashing
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    Nice writeup Mutton. How'd your buddy like his carbon stumpy?
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    He's a bike whore...he arrived with the new Rune 650b and was liking that
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    Ha! Nice.
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    clunking

    this might be the engagement on the HOPE pro2 rear hub.
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    Nice write up, Mutton. No doubt, you'll be pushing that bike's limits.

    I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on the bike from our crew's Saturday ride. No doubt, you'd shred on that thing, but it's got some steeps that would likely challenge the revelation/endo combo.

    Next time up amigo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    this might be the engagement on the HOPE pro2 rear hub.
    Yep, could be. Might need to clean and re-grease the pawls.....mine does that when it's in need of some love.

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    I have the same clunking issue on my Chili... The cover plate on my MRP G2 broke off, so the chain drops off the roller easily.

    Does not sound like the chain, but makes sense, as it gets worse in the smaller cogs.

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    Thanks for the ride impressions. Sounds like you're loving the Endo. Should be a great enduro mount. Prolly what I need for enduro but only do one or two races a year so the chili will have to suffice......for now. I'm thinking 650b Endorphin or Burner, or Carbine 275 built in the 27lb range would be great enduro mounts as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post

    Note how different my bike looks to T'isser's bike after a 20 mile ride.
    What are you trying to say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    What are you trying to say?
    I have a wet muddy ass and you're a desert lizzard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    I have a wet muddy ass and you're a desert lizzard
    I rode in the rain last week....seriously.

    I agree with much of your review. I have been spending LOTS of time on the Endo. The best way to describe this bike is FUN!. We did a nice long ride Sunday on the Arizona trail, and the Endo was perfect. I was the only guy on a 26er and had no issues hanging with the 29er guys on the climbs, and was hoot'in and hollerin' on the downs. I really like this bike as it rails, is so easy to throw around, and you can just bury it in corners and it jumps out of them. It is a very different feel from the Chili.

    Dirtbag and I hit Holbert Saturday, and the Chili just felt so good. Like being on the Endo, but with much more beef. I find myself trying to ride the Chili more like the Endo, and damn it's fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme View Post
    ...but it's got some steeps that would likely challenge the revelation/endo combo.

    Next time up amigo!

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    Good point raised! Mutton how does the Rev feel when you're pushing the bike hard...as compared to, say, a 36?
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    Oh perfect..you rode in the rain....so you will be totally ready for some PNW when you get here. Sweet.

    Ja dude, so far the Endorphin is pretty rad. How you describe cornering is exactly what i would say. I find myself leaving cornering later and snapping out of it quicker...

    I have been thinking a lot about it the last couple day or two. My pump track is super tight with trees on the exits of the main fast corner. I initially built the line to steer clear of the trees (the line was 12 - 18inches away from the tree) and i rode it like that for 3 - 4 weeks until it packed in and got a lot faster. Then i found i was coming out of the corners so much faster, the natural line was directly at the tree...and despite this fact, i actually had plenty time (1 1/2 bike lengths) to straighten up and still manouver around the tree. The bike wheel is probably now 3 - 6 inches from the tree, but a wiggle of the bars and body and you are safe. I have rebuilt the whole exit now to go almost directly at the tree with a slight camber to steer you away ...requiring a shimmy to get by.

    Riding yesterday, that is exactly what i was finding myself doing, leaving everything a lot later and the Endorphin was able to respond really quickly and confidently. Stoked that I am noticing things from my pumptrack already.

    The dude riding behind me said something like he noticed me squeezing past things on the trail.

    I cant honestly confirm that it pedals as well / or worse than any other comparable bike in its category - because of the soft muddy ground which literally makes you feel like you ate to many pies for dinner...so thats a pretty important aspect for me that is still open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee View Post
    Good point raised! Mutton how does the Rev feel when you're pushing the bike hard...as compared to, say, a 36?
    Been sitting at my pc for 13 hrs now working...i am waiting for jobs to run...and probably starting to talk incoherent sh1t.

    The Revelation is rock solid. I am super impressed...thanks to T'isser who put me up to it. I had a Fox 32 that i was just going to throw on..but that is up for sale.

    I am at about 25% sag with 85 PSI and i was using everything but just under an inch of travel...which is fair. Gotto to save something for the big hits. That happened when i followed my riding buddy up and over a rock and then dropped off the back on the wrong line and directly into a stopper rock (e.g. a Tombstone...i believe they call it down in the desert?). The rock was about 5 inches tall and i hit it under full compression as I rolled off the other rock. I had a mini 'oh sh1t moment' expecting a pinch flat possibly, but the fork soaked it up 100% and i rode through it. i didnt notice any flex and i got to use all the travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee View Post
    Good point raised! Mutton how does the Rev feel when you're pushing the bike hard...as compared to, say, a 36?
    It doesn't compare. The rev is a good feeling fork for its intended purpose, XC/trail. Although I would feel pretty good riding the Endo on all of our trails, it doesn't stand a chance compared to the Chili with the Lyrik on it when things get ugly. DB keeps saying choose your bike based on the fork, and I think this is pretty solid advise. I don't think the Endo would feel right with a Lyrik/36 on it, the rear suspension just has a more taught feel to it. I wouldn't think it would have a nice balanced feel to it with a bigger fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    Been sitting at my pc for 13 hrs now working...i am waiting for jobs to run...and probably starting to talk incoherent sh1t.

    The Revelation is rock solid. I am super impressed...thanks to T'isser who put me up to it. I had a Fox 32 that i was just going to throw on..but that is up for sale.

    I am at about 25% sag with 85 PSI and i was using everything but just under an inch of travel...which is fair. Gotto to save something for the big hits. That happened when i followed my riding buddy up and over a rock and then dropped off the back on the wrong line and directly into a stopper rock (e.g. a Tombstone...i believe they call it down in the desert?). The rock was about 5 inches tall and i hit it under full compression as I rolled off the other rock. I had a mini 'oh sh1t moment' expecting a pinch flat possibly, but the fork soaked it up 100% and i rode through it. i didnt notice any flex and i got to use all the travel.

    Pretty much butter...my first RS eva

    Glad you are digging the fork. You might like to change out 50-60ml of the stock 5 weight oil to 7.5 weight. It adds a nice level of compression to the fork without much sacrifice. The other great feature of RS products is that you can adjust the oil height to control bottoming and add ramp.

    To do this, let all of the air out of the fork, and open up the damper. Typically add about 5ml of oil at a time. Put the damper back together (be sure to screw the black 10mm bolt on), and then compress the fork without any air. You will feel the increased ramp at the end of the stroke. Be sure you can get full travel, as too much oil will cause hydraulic lockout before you reach full travel. Very simple to do, and incredibly easy to service.
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    That's good to hear Mutton and tiSSer. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    I rode in the rain last week....seriously.
    WHAT? Pics or it didn't happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    WHAT? Pics or it didn't happen.
    Were there any slippery roots?

    And you guys laughed at me when i bought a rain jacket to K Fest. Fools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    I don't think the Endo would feel right with a Lyrik/36 on it, the rear suspension just has a more taught feel to it. I wouldn't think it would have a nice balanced feel to it with a bigger fork.

    Ahhh...but it does! Demo'd the Endo with a 34 x 150 and I ride mine with a Marz 55 160. The Marz is superb with the bike. Front and back feel great together. Synergy. Granted, we ride different trails completely, but on the fast flowy stuff with moderate chunk and chop, it's great. Great on steeps too.

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    Update 2+ weeks later

    Quick update. Continuing to ride the Endo HARD. I have ridden at least 4+ times a week since my last post including some fresh new trail up North in the land of Ham (thx EBx for the wicked ride).

    This bike continues to impress me beyond my expectations. I have no more doubts about its pedalling efficiency. I rode last week with a former US National team member and World Champs competitor and honestly for the first time ever in my life, i enjoyed keeping up with him. Its not that it was any easier...it wasnt...i didnt ride all weekend because my legs were so shattered..but the awesome thing was that i could feel the reward for each bit of effort i was putting into the pedals. I think the toughest part when you are giving everything on the pedals is when the bike feels inefficient or sluggish. I like that when i put extra effort...i immediately felt the bike respond.

    On the DH...i came to realize although the bike was feeling good...there was an issue with the rear shock (on its way back to Fox). I threw on the RP23 from the Chilly and wow...it was like getting a second new bike in a week. The trails i have been riding are fast DH style trails.. Lots of chunk and braking bumps / bermed corners etc...PNW XC (just like the AZ XC we rode during Kfest). The Endo is slaying these trails like nobodies business. Of all 4 knollys i have ridden up there now.. i think i am having the most fun on the endo and arguably riding the fastest. This bike corners like its on rails. Love it. Its going to be a tough call on which Knolly to choose for these sorts of trails...I honestly thought i would always ride the Chilly on these trails...now i am having my doubts.

    No doubt the Revelation is playing a huge part in how the bike feels...took T'issers advice and opened it up after my third ride and it was bone dry. Beware if you get a new fork...check the oil ASAP. The fork is awesome.

    Shout if you have any questions etc...

    I look forward to getting the CTD back....it definitely pedals well and everyone else seems stoked. I had the RP23 pretty well shimmed for use on the Chilly...so it has been a good substitute.

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    Yep...it is one of those weird things where it pedals very well, yet rails the DHs. The Endo might be the only bike I have ever been on that climbs better out of the saddle than on it. It really does reward your efforts. Such a fun bike.

    I rode Goat Camp Sunday, and no question, a Chili ride. Gotta admit, we're pretty spoiled Mutton, Avy'd Chilis and killer Endos. Tough life
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    Yep...it is one of those weird things where it pedals very well, yet rails the DHs. The Endo might be the only bike I have ever been on that climbs better out of the saddle than on it. It really does reward your efforts. Such a fun bike.
    Very well put. I really noticed this today. My out of saddle efforts are getting longer and longer. This bike just goes. I've been having a lot of fun on it.

    My overall ride times have dropped considerably on my local rides. At the same time, this bike is still a blast on the way down. It is easy to jump and control in the air. It corners amazingly (BB is at 13.2). It has enough cush to keep things under control.

    I am definitely sold on the 4x4 suspension. Its pretty amazing what Noel can get out of it. The Chili is really supple and plush in the beginning and middle stroke and then ramps up at the end. What I have noticed with the Endo is that the initial stroke is pretty firm. This is nice for climbing, cornering, and slower speeds. Then on bigger hits it opens up and feels very controlled. It also opens up when the speed increases. The bike kind of skips along the top of the trail and opens up on the bigger hits. Both bikes are great and obviously share the 4x4 suspension, but they do have very different feelings.

    At this point (about 10 days in) this bike has far exceeded my expectations. I'm looking forward to a lot of fun mile this spring.

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    Nice looking rig. Can you give a more direct comparison of it vs. the Blur LTC you owned?

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    Dude, right now...I dont think i can be objective. I just got back from ripping the trails on my Endo with two local WC riders. I have a smile from ear to ear and feel like i just injected something illegal into my veins. I will try talk sense.

    The Blur LTc was an awesome bike however i just couldnt adapt or never got really comfortable on it. I will never forget the first time i pedalled it up a steep section of trail...expecting to drop into the small ring up front..but didnt...I was looking back at my gears confused as to what gear i was in and still able to pedal. I actually got the Blur in desperation after test riding a Super D course that was super rocky and rough (and pedally) and my previous bike was unplayable through that stuff. I chatted with friends and pulled the trigger (3 weeks prior to the race)...as it turned out, I won that race by .27 of a second and with it the series...so I have good memories of that bike and specifically how it performed on that course (especially compared to the bike i replaced). On the flip side however..i ordered a large as i had test ridden a medium and knew 100% that was too small for me. The large however proved too big and i never got to feel comfortable.

    Its hard to say why because most of the numbers stack up to my other bikes except for the seat tube which was something like 6 - 7cm longer than the Endo. I always felt like i was sitting on 'top' of the bike as opposed to being inside it and i felt most uncomfortable cornering, jumping (ugh...i didnt hit any jumps it) and steeps. On the LTc I had my Kindshock slammed, while on the Endo - I have it at the minimum insertion level (max extension). When i drop the post...i dont even think about the saddle...jumping or riding steeps. I had a lesson with a coach...Simon Lawton here in Seattle and he didnt see a problem with the fit...but when going through the cornering drills that day...i knew i was on the wrong bike (for me). I think also with the Fox 32 the head angle might have been a bit steeper as well (68?)...whether it was that or my inability to get fully behind the saddle..i didnt like that forward feeling.

    I have never had a struggle adapting to any of my Knollys...from the day I got my Vtach...i sold the bars on my SX trail and bought the same Raceface bars as I had on the VT and tried to get the SX cockpit to feel like the Vtach.

    All i can say about the Endo right now is wow. I must have got sideways and into two wheel drifts 5 or more times today and thought about unclipping but held on and bought it back. i have seriously never felt as much confidence cornering as i do right now. On the straights that are super rough with succesive roots / holes / drops...I know the bike is bottoming or coming close and yet the wheels stay grounded and it just feels stable and solid. In some sections I am literally hanging on and flat out pinning. Also stoked with how it pedals ...although with the seat at the maximum possible extension...i am a little far back...i make sure I am well forward on the saddle when it gets steeper and I feel fine.

    Who knows..if the Blur had fit me perfectly...I am pretty sure i would have liked that bike a lot. I struggled with the fact that it was carbon and blinged out (spent good coin on it) and yet just didnt work for me. Then again...neither did the Trek...I just never fell in love with the Remedy (DRCV?) either. Rode it for a year, did pretty well racing it...It fit well..but never really got stoked on it.

    Totally different story on this Endo. I cant wait to ride every single day. Only got back from a night ride (and beers) at 11pm last night and got the call at 10 am this morning.

    PS: on the endo - i am not hitting any big drops to flat etc..just riding steep trails, hitting jumps to transitions and riding rough fast DH worthy trails. Pretty much what i think this bike was built for. Everything requires a solid climb of a couple miles on gravel road.
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    Have any of you Endo fanatics posted a review under the Knolly Endorphin on the review side of MTBR? With your enthusiasm, you might keep the 20 for 20 perfect score streak alive and growing.

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    Thanks for all the detailed reviews guys. You're doing a good job of explaining the differences and strengths b/w the Endo and Chili.

    and still making me want to take an Endo for a few rides...haha.
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    Have any of you Endo fanatics posted a review under the Knolly Endorphin on the review side of MTBR? With your enthusiasm, you might keep the 20 for 20 perfect score streak alive and growing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post

    The Blur LTc was an awesome bike however i just couldnt adapt or never got really comfortable on it.

    I have never had a struggle adapting to any of my Knollys...
    IMO - I think it is the wheelbase and reach that make the Knolly's fit very nicely. I am numbers guy and have a spreadsheet with almost every bike in it - i know pathetic. Knolly bikes tend to have 1 inch longer reach and wheelbase relative to other brands, which I prefer because it provides a nice standing and sitting balance. Most people look solely at the chainstay, but even with similar chainstay lengths with other brands, if the wheelbase is shorter, I find the front end too easy to pop up making it a bit sketchy. Granted your riding style will adapt to this, but hopping on a Knolly just feels right without the need to adapt.

    Riding a size-up in another brand to obtain longer wheelbase and reach is not feasible for most people, because the seattube length increases too much if using a seatdropper to allow this. In addition, standover height gets a bit uncomfortable.

    I really think Knolly has been ahead on the curve with their geometry. I read this article yesterday
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    and what interested me was the discussion of the "freeride" geometry. I know the V-Tach falls into this category, but the Delirium for being a freeride bike doesn't fall into this geometric category. Considering the Chilcotin and Endorphin has similar geometries emphasizes the point only differing slightly in static bottom bracket, which is related to different amounts of travel. I am glad to see this geometry remain constant throughout the line up, because it works well.

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    This bike is so much fun.

    Been riding it for a few weeks now. I love it. I'm really surprised it hasn't received more attention. It flat out rips up and down. I can't think of many bikes that compare.

    Maybe people are waiting to see what's around the corner. Maybe they are waiting on 27.5. Don't wait! If you are in the market for a ripping trail bike, check out the Endo.

    If you live the LA area/SoCal feel free to contact me if you want to check out a large.

    Sorry to sound like an Ad, but this bike has me fired up to ride.

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    All of you Endorphin riders must be too busy riding to be doing any writing! The Chili threads are buzzing while the Endo threads sleep.

    I'm about two months into my Endo experience and I have found a word to describe the bike - fast. I just seem to go everywhere faster than on my identically equipped and much beloved Yeti 575. I still haven't found the cornering limits, other than my own commitment. What's funny is I am blowing away dudes on Slayers, Remedies, Mojo HDs, SB-66c and the like here on my local SoCal trails - DOWNHILL! Not saying their bikes are slower - but I think they are surprised by the capacity of the bright blue trailbike.

    I am currently experimenting with a custom built Marzocchi Roco TST Air. It's super plush on small trail chatter, ramps perfectly for the bike and how I ride, but is way too active while pedaling - except when it's nearly locked out. We are going back in for round two of custom tuning this week (and servicing the fork while we're at it). Hopefully, I can get the TST lever to offer a wider variety of platform without killing the amazing small bump compliance. If this experiment doesn't yield unbelievable results, I'll pop the CTD back on and smile - nothing wrong with it, other than small bump sensitivity.

    Either way, this bike rips!

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    Some of us are also waiting for the snow to melt!

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    You mean you can't ride every day of the year? I remember seasons. Luckily, I love snow sports too.

    See ya when the snow melts!

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    I can still ride, just need a bike with 4" tires.
    Winter sports are good and we get about 30' of snow on average with which to play with - just takes a while to melt...

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    Update on Roco experiment

    BikeCo fiddled about with the shock to add in some platform for pedaling without altering the super smooth small-bump and larger hit yumminess. I've only had it out once since then, but it seemed to work pretty well. My riding buddy said he noticed a lot less shock movement than before, and we compared the percentage of travel used on his Mojo HD with RP23 (pro-pedal on) to the percentage I was using on the Marz, covering the same gentle climbs at the same speed. About 1/3rd to half on both.

    The performance on trail chatter and down hill is phenomenal. Now I am really torn. I was kind of hoping the experiment would fail so I could feel good about putting the lighter CTD back on the bike. After adding the Roco and the LEV, I think I just added 1.25 or more lbs to the bike! I'll weigh it at the same shop where I initially weighed it (was 29.75 - suspecting 31 now).

    Regardless of setup, the Endorphin is just so damn fun. Poppy, snappy, railing, flickable fun.

    More testing this weekend. And pictures. Gotta liven up these Endorphin threads. The Chili threads are popping!

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    Will liven this up when I get my wheels. Should be next week, then shield your eyes!

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    What wheelset are you going with?

    Looking forward to more guys getting on this bike. I have been having a lot of fun on mine. Super stoked on the Endo. I will have to reevaluate when the carbon version comes out. Until then I couldn't be happier.

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    DT Swiss 240 on Enve XC rims, looking forward to something that climbs as well as it goes down. It will be a big change, my first sub 30lb. bike.

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    DT Swiss 240 on Enve XC rims, looking forward to something that climbs as well as it goes down. It will be a big change, my first sub 30lb. bike.
    I got the enve xc on mine as well and love 'em on this bike. I got over 500 miles on the Endo now and can't say enough about it. I love my delirium and chilly but they are definitely over kill for 70 percent of the riding I do. With this Endo, it just begs to put in more miles. And the way it corners is saving me brake pads. I just can't get over how much speed you can take into turns. I am also getting used to the ctd and using more then just the desend mode. There was an adjustment period coming from the chilly with DB air to the ctd but its a great match for the Endo.

    Maybe when the snow melts up north, there will be more chatter about this bike cause its pretty darn awesome.

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    So between spring snowstorms I've been out for quick spins on my Endo. I ended last year fighting with the CTD shock, trying to get it to not feel like it's wallowing in the travel. Now, I've been told to set the sag at 30% of the shock's stroke (17mm), but I'm wondering if it would be better to set it at 30% of the suspension sag (an example of this is my Prime, if you were to set it at 25% shock sag it is just shy of 15mm, 25% of suspension sag is actually 13mm as the travel of the suspension is not linear). I'm know that this is the type of information that can only be provided accurately by someone like Noel or Dusty, but if anyone else has experimented with the amount of sag on the shock and found it has a sweet spot somewhere - like 14 or 15mm -I'd appreciate the input. The weird thing is that most of the issues seemed to arise after I installed the volume spacer that Knolly sent out to those of us who got our bikes in the first production run (the spacer is already in the CTD's for later runs of the frames), seems counter-intuitive to me that the rear end of the bike should feel softer now...
    Also curious if anyone has had their CTD PUSHed, and whether it made a significant difference.
    Unfortunately I can't really test the ride at this point, trails are still buried under snow, so I'm just looking for input to get a jump on my spring shock tuning...

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    I am actually running the RP23 that i took off the Chilly when i got my Avalanche. I sent my CTD back to Fox for a warranty repair after 1 week...it was rebuilt, but i cant get it to feel anything like the RP23 despite the fact that the RP23 is blown -Has no pro pedal and has rebound damping all the way on and makes an awesome squilching sound.
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    So do you prefer the blown RP23, or it just feels 'different'?

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    My CTD has something wrong with it (despite the service)- of that I am convinced. All my epic rides on the Endo have been with the RP23 whille the CTD was being repaired. The RP23 feels plush and ramps up great - I had it running pretty good while it was on the Chilly.
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    Yeah, I'm kinda wondering if there is some sort of issue with my CTD. I'd prefer to send it to PUSH and pay to get it hopped up if it's worth it, they did a great job on my old bikes RP23 and fixed a problem with my Revelation that RS insisted wasn't a prob.

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    At this point I don't have any major complaints about the CTD shock. Do I think there are shocks out there that would feel better? Sure, but at this point I am happy running the CTD.

    I set the sag at 30% of the shaft length. I am 180# and that put me at about 135 PSI. I don't feel any mid-stroke wallow and it ramps up nicely. I get very close to full travel on my typical rides. The initial stroke could be a bit more sensitive, but overall I am liking it.

    I haven't thought about sending it to PUSH. No doubt they can improve things for you. If you have your doubts about the shock this seems like a worth while investment. You know it will come back in perfect working order and set up for you and your riding conditions.

    Maybe wait until you get some proper rides on your bike and then see how it feels. Your bike is going to fly with those wheels on it. My Endo is sitting at 28# and feels very responsive both up and down.

    looking forward to hearing your impressions later on this spring.

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    I did get 3 months of riding it last year, and spent the last month fighting the shock - just couldn't get it dialed once the spacer went in. I'm 210 - 215 lbs geared up and the last setting I was running pressure wise was 185 psi and it was still wallowing. I guess I'm concerned about losing a couple of weeks of riding the Endo this summer while I send the shock in too...
    I'll wait 'til the next thaw and the roads are clear enough to do some more hammering. If it's no good then off to PUSH!

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    Huh! That pressure seems pretty high. Dusty B. weighs about that. I wonder what pressure he is running.

    I guess if you have the time and money, now is a good time to send it in. At least you won't keep second guessing yourself when you get it back.

    Do you have any other shocks in that size you can run in the mean time?

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    Wow dude. I am 180 and my CTD I have been in the 155 - 160 zone for 25 - 30% sag (14 - 17mm on the shock). Pretty similar to the Knolly website...you sure you havent lost some weight?

    I have no doubt the CTD would be a capable shock...I would be more than willing to ride it if it worked. I rode the Rp23 on teh Chilly for a year and put it through some massive abuse...if the CTD is an upgrade of that shock, I would expect it to be a suitable replacement -plus on a more trail orientated bike vs the Chilly. Mine most definitely has something going on. All part of the fun hey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    Wow dude. I am 180 and my CTD I have been in the 155 - 160 zone for 25 - 30% sag (14 - 17mm on the shock). Pretty similar to the Knolly website...you sure you havent lost some weight?
    Quite possibly. I have been able to ride a lot more than usual this winter and haven'y weighed myself for some time.

    I have my suspicions my RS shock pump is off a bit as well. My Lyric PSI has always seemed low (comparatively) as well.

    Are you running the spacer in your CTD?

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    Well I hope I haven't lost weight, I'm 6'4" and pretty lean... I got to the 185 lbs using 30% shock sag when I'm on the bike. Maybe I'm fatter, it is the winter season after all - I was hoping all the Fat-biking was helping to maintain.
    Maybe the shock is pooched.

    Ah, the weight thing was directed at G-Air, makes more sense now...

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    Had a look at the settings on Knolly's webpage, it does look like I could be running more psi than I am, they recommend 195 psi for 220 lbs. I'll try to bump it up to 190.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinS View Post
    Had a look at the settings on Knolly's webpage, it does look like I could be running more psi than I am, they recommend 195 psi for 220 lbs. I'll try to bump it up to 190.
    Hi MartinS:

    I'm just looking through our website and it looks like the CTD shock pressures on the Endorphin page have been copied from the Chilcotin page. The Endorphin should run slightly less pressure than the Chilcotin by about 10-15%. Hence, for a 220# rider, you should be ~ 175 PSI on the Fox CTD and around 160 PIS for the Fox CTD if you weigh around 200 pounds. We'll aim to get the revised shock pressures up on the website quickly - thank you for (indirectly) bringing this to our attention!

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    I started running my CTD at 185 for my 208lb (without gear) self. I took it to BikeCo to work their magic, and they said they couldn't do much with it. They said they "did a little something," but weren't sure it would make much difference. Next ride, I ended up reducing pressure to 155psi. Suddenly, the shock was more plush, did not wallow and it ramped up perfectly (did not bottom out). I imagine they put in a different spacer, but since they didn't charge me, they won't tell me what they did. Works for me!

    Then - the Marzocchi experiment documented above. Very plush, yet still snappy and poppy. One more test weekend before I make a final decision on keeping or returning the experimental unit. I do not recommend buying a Marzocchi Roco Air TST for the Endorphin without the ability to customize it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzalot View Post
    I started running my CTD at 185 for my 208lb (without gear) self. I took it to BikeCo to work their magic, and they said they couldn't do much with it. They said they "did a little something," but weren't sure it would make much difference. Next ride, I ended up reducing pressure to 155psi. Suddenly, the shock was more plush, did not wallow and it ramped up perfectly (did not bottom out). I imagine they put in a different spacer, but since they didn't charge me, they won't tell me what they did.

    Then - the Marzocchi experiment documented above. Very plush, yet still snappy and poppy. One more test weekend before I make a final decision on keeping or returning the experimental unit. I do not recommend buying a Marzocchi Roco TST for the Endorphin without the ability to customize it.
    Herzalot, Have you tried a CCDB air with the endo?

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    @beef - No I haven't tried the CCDB air on any bike. The Marz was an opportunity that came up - I wasn't looking for it. I love my Marz fork, so I was envisioning the same infatuation with the shock. My understanding is the CCDBa does not have an on-the-trail switch of any kind. It's also heavy and complicated - but I understand once you've got it dialed, it's great - especially on the Chilcotin.

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    I might as well get the Rp23 serviced and see how it feels when i get it back. I dont trust Fox to do a good job on the compression tuning, so I will send it to Push. If it feels good i will stick with, at least for a while. My other option is to pull some strings and try get my hands on a Monarch plus.

    The Moncarch Plus is about 320g, full servicable and i have heard good things.

    The Rp23 will always be a good back up shock for either bike.

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    I tried a Roco air (basic one without reservoir) on my older model endo and really liked it, but it was a bit "bouncy" so your experiment with the tst is very interesting. The TST is actually very close in weight to the ccdb air (200 x 57mm 487gr. according to some quick research). The DBair is about 535grams. I don't think the DBairs are as complicated as they're made out to be sometimes. It's pretty intuitive and the base settings knolly provides is a great starting point.

    @Muttonchops, I've never had a fox air shock that I liked until after I sent it to Push. Curious to hear your thoughts on it when you get it back. I'm most likely getting a new endorphin soon and debating which shock to put on it. Might even get an x-fusion vector air hlr. I used one briefly and they were great shocks.

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    No Problem!
    It does however seal the deal in sending the CTD to PUSH, with 170lbs the back end is really squishy... One quick leg pump while standing on the pedals and I've used up the full travel and bottomed out the shock.

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    I'm just looking through our website and it looks like the CTD shock pressures on the Endorphin page have been copied from the Chilcotin page. The Endorphin should run slightly less pressure than the Chilcotin by about 10-15%. Hence, for a 220# rider, you should be ~ 175 PSI on the Fox CTD and around 160 PIS for the Fox CTD if you weigh around 200 pounds. We'll aim to get the revised shock pressures up on the website quickly - thank you for (indirectly) bringing this to our attention!

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    Does anybody have problems with minor but persistent creaking and cracking noises? My new Endo has made annoying noises since I bought her. At first, I thought it was just cables against the frame or clips. I've pulled the cranks, the BB, the headset, the seatpost, the saddle rails, chainrings, rear axle - everything. Everything has been professionally installed, properly greased or lock-tited and properly torqued. All of the suspension pivots and bushings are tight and have been since delivered. The upper shock bolt was not tight after my first ride, but I tightened it immediately. It makes small noises whether I am seated or standing. It's not a huge issue, but it's a little annoying, and my 575 didn't do it.

    Is this a unique experience? Is there something I've overlooked? I LOVE a silent bike and I LOVE my Endo.

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    Did you check the ends of the cables? Sometimes the cable housing ends can rub against the wire ends of the cable housing as the outer casing shrinks away.
    No creaking with my bike.

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    Just rode my Endorphin for the first time yesterday and all I can say is mind blown! I was on a Nomad MK1 prior and Endorphin shines better in every way. Rode 20 miles out in Salida, CO. with burly climbs and gnarly, tech descents. I was worried about being under biked coming from my Nomad, but the Endorphin shined on the super gnarly rocky downs. The bike sticks to every obstacle on the ground on the way up but stays absolutely planted on the descents. Super nimble and a blast to jump , rails corners like no other bike I've ridden other than my Podium. The flats are also a blast and getting out the saddle and pedaling is rewarding because the bike actually pushes you forward. Most fun I've had on a trail in a really long time.
    This bike is incredible!

    PS. I'm rocking a Fox Float 36 at 160 and its absolutely amazing on this bike.

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    That's awesome to hear. Something about the Endorphin really just likes to rip. Perfect geometry - and I agree with you, a 160 fork on the bike is NOT overkill, it's fan-f-ing-tastic. Question - are you running a tapered steered and thus external bottom cup, or 1 1/8th steerer with zero stack top and bottom?

    BTW - I used to hang out in Salida in my pre-mtb days, Kayaking and skiing almost every weekend for four years.

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    Yea man I don't think I would run any lower than 160. The front end does not wander , in fact my nomad wandered more with the same fork. In running a straight 1 1/8 with a zero stack cane creek... Dialed.

    Salida has some great riding; I live in Crested Butte so I commute there until we can ride here.

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    Do any of you guys know the difference in axle to crown with a 150mm Revelation and a 160 Float lowered to 150mm? Assuming the Float has a longer AtC which would slacken the frame out, but can't say for certain. I've not ever owned a Fox fork.
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    Slacking the Endo out by running a 160 fork is not a bad thing! It rides great - don't fear it, use it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Do any of you guys know the difference in axle to crown with a 150mm Revelation and a 160 Float lowered to 150mm? Assuming the Float has a longer AtC which would slacken the frame out, but can't say for certain. I've not ever owned a Fox fork.
    The Fox Float 36 160 is 545mm A-C so 150 is 535. Not sure on the Revelation A-C. I have the 36 Float on my Endorphin set to 150mm with an external lower HS cup and it feels great.
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    Not sure either but 160 is just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    The Fox Float 36 160 is 545mm A-C so 150 is 535. Not sure on the Revelation A-C. I have the 36 Float on my Endorphin set to 150mm with an external lower HS cup and it feels great.
    Bubba, you have a CCDBair on your endo? How's it ride with that shock? Does it take away any of the snappiness?

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    546 A-C on my Marz 55 with 1 1/8th straight steerer, zero stack top and bottom. Full 160 Muy Bueno!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefmagic View Post
    Bubba, you have a CCDBair on your endo? How's it ride with that shock? Does it take away any of the snappiness?
    I really like the DBair on the Endorphin. I weigh around 205 and planned to use it from the start. So far, it has worked much better for me on the Endorphin than on the Chilcotin. No excessive sag needed on this frame. I have mine tuned to the settings on the Cane Creek site for the Endorphin. With that set up it is still snappy but way more plush in the chunky stuff. I am sure it could be tuned to have as much snap as is needed for the rider.

    I would need more seat time with the Fox CTD to give you a an honest comparison between the two. I took it off after one ride.
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    Not worried about it feeling great, but I am worried about slacking it out too much. I ride my Chili in 67 b/c I don't really care for the 66 setting on trails. Wouldn't want the 36 slacking the Endo out too much, but at 215 lbs, the bigger stanchions and 20mm axle is appealing, over the 32mm stanchions and 15mm axle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Not worried about it feeling great, but I am worried about slacking it out too much. I ride my Chili in 67 b/c I don't really care for the 66 setting on trails. Wouldn't want the 36 slacking the Endo out too much, but at 215 lbs, the bigger stanchions and 20mm axle is appealing, over the 32mm stanchions and 15mm axle.
    I prefer to ride my Chili in the steep setting also, but now with a 170mm fork + external cup. The Endorphin feels completely natural with the 36 set to 150mm and external cup. I am also running 2.4's to help with the bottom bracket height. The ride is similar to the Chilcotin (edit: in the steep mode) but way more connected and playful even with the beefy set up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    I really like the DBair on the Endorphin. I weigh around 205 and planned to use it from the start. So far, it has worked much better for me on the Endorphin than on the Chilcotin. No excessive sag needed on this frame. I have mine tuned to the settings on the Cane Creek site for the Endorphin. With that set up it is still snappy but way more plush in the chunky stuff. I am sure it could be tuned to have as much snap as is needed for the rider.

    I would need more seat time with the Fox CTD to give you a an honest comparison between the two. I took it off after one ride.
    Nice. Sounds like what I'm looking for. I just picked up a new endo and plan on putting a dbair on it. I'll give the fox a shot but I have my doubts. Also have a lowered lyrik 150mm I want to try on there with a ZS lower cup! Stoked to be reading all the reports about the Endo.

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    Here's my Endo:
    XL Ano Black
    2010 Fox Float 36@ 160
    I9 Enduro Wheels
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    Thompson X4 Stem
    Cane Creek Zerostack Headset
    Deity Dirty 30 Bars
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    Guessing 31 pounds

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefmagic View Post
    Also have a lowered lyrik 150mm I want to try on there with a ZS lower cup! Stoked to be reading all the reports about the Endo.
    I'd be willing to try a lowered Lyrik Solo Air as well, but they are impossible to find with a full 1 1/8th steertube. And I'm not even sure you can lower the 2013's to 150mm. I know the 2012's you couldn't, I had one.

    Not really a Fox fan myself, but they seem a bit easier to find.
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    Why is everybody so obsessed about avoiding a full 160 fork? A fork lowered to 150 with a zero stack would actually be steeper than the 67* spec (with a tapered Fox 34 and external lower cup). The full 160 fork with zero stack feels fantastic on the new Endorphin. Climbing is not a problem and cornering and downs are brilliant. I am guessing a full 160 even with 3mm external cup would also ride great. I would say anything that puts the unweighted HA between 66* and 67* will be terrific.

    Am I alone in this assessment?

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    Not afraid of a full 160 fork at all, in fact I may go that route with a ZS. Right now (I haven't even received the bike yet!) my thoughts are to keep the front end stout but still quick and snappy and I also want to keep the BB LOW! I'm thinking a ~68* HA with a ~13.2BB would be fantastic. This all may change when I get some ride time in, but the great thing about Noel's design is how versatile it is.

    Some people (like me) are using it as their one bike and perhaps wanting some overlap while others have a chili and are wanting to build it as light and quick as possible. I love all the possibilities and I don't think there is a "right" way to set up the endo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefmagic View Post
    while others have a chili and are wanting to build it as light and quick as possible.
    This is the boat I would personally fall into if I were to buy one and the way I'd build it.

    My Chili is full coil and about 33.7 lbs right now. Granted, I wouldn't change a thing and it's set up about as perfect as I could imagine for me for my favorite kind of trails. But there are trails I ride where it's just too damn much bike, and I'd want to put as much space as possible between it and an Endo.

    The ONLY reason I'd want to put a bigger 160 fork on it lowered to 150 is simply b/c of the fact I am 215 RTR, and I think I would benefit from that additional stiffness. I think that extra pound of weight would be worth it in the stiffness department. Last time I rode a buddy's Fox with 32mm stanchions it felt like a wet noodle under me, and I wasn't even pushing it hard.

    But if you want to get technical, even a lowered 160 fork will slack it out past 67 degrees on the headangle. That is based on a 533mm measurement including the headset. A lowered 160 (to 150mm) will be 535, plus let's say another 4mm for a inset cup, so 539mm. So will you notice that probably 1/4 degree of slackness? Doubtful unless you have Princess and the Pea type senses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    I'd be willing to try a lowered Lyrik Solo Air as well, but they are impossible to find with a full 1 1/8th steertube. And I'm not even sure you can lower the 2013's to 150mm. I know the 2012's you couldn't, I had one.

    Not really a Fox fan myself, but they seem a bit easier to find.
    Look at a marzocchi 55cr lowered to 150mm. I am running one on my 09 endorphin and it blows fox away

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzalot View Post
    Why is everybody so obsessed about avoiding a full 160 fork? A fork lowered to 150 with a zero stack would actually be steeper than the 67* spec (with a tapered Fox 34 and external lower cup). The full 160 fork with zero stack feels fantastic on the new Endorphin. Climbing is not a problem and cornering and downs are brilliant. I am guessing a full 160 even with 3mm external cup would also ride great. I would say anything that puts the unweighted HA between 66* and 67* will be terrific.

    Am I alone in this assessment?
    Not afraid either, but already have a Chili set up that way. I needed to get some separation between my bikes, so I went towards the durable XC side of things with my Endorphin, and it rips. It's sub 26 lbs which makes it perfect ffor when I want to cheat on the way up, and still have some fun on the way down.

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    Yeah, I saw your build on the other thread. I don't think you can get much lighter. Sweet! Mine is a do-it-all bike, thus the bigger fork, wheels, shock, tires (and smile)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanS. View Post
    Not afraid either, but already have a Chili set up that way. I needed to get some separation between my bikes, so I went towards the durable XC side of things with my Endorphin, and it rips. It's sub 26 lbs which makes it perfect ffor when I want to cheat on the way up, and still have some fun on the way down.
    This makes sense - if you have a Chili. If the Endo is your one bike, go with the beefier, longer fork. I describe my bike as snappy, poppy, playful and quick.

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    Any of you Endos been riding Specs Enduros ?
    I Loved my Enduro 2009 (custom Fox 36 and RS Monarch Plus Stans Flowrims) and think I am falling for the Knolly Endo.
    Not going for a stumpjumper or enduro since their new rear shock linkage system


    Who will give me the last push ?
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    I think you will find that the Knolly has better traction characteristics go test ride one ;-)

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelKof View Post
    Any of you Endos been riding Specs Enduros ?
    I Loved my Enduro 2009 (custom Fox 36 and RS Monarch Plus Stans Flowrims) and think I am falling for the Knolly Endo.
    Not going for a stumpjumper or enduro since their new rear shock linkage system


    Who will give me the last push ?

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    Thanks Bio
    No test ride around here, unfortunately.....
    That is why I asked for ex Enduro riders

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