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    Here are some photos of the CMs. Keep in mind these are mounted on 819s.

    From the other thread:

    I'll throw another tire into the mix, the on-one Chunky Monkey. This is a Maxxis built tire. It is build on the Ardent 2.4 EXO casing, with 2 compound options. The Trail Extreme is 50/42, and the Enduro is 50a (not 60a). I can't provide too much of a review yet as I only have 3 rides on them, but my initial impressions are that these are keepers. The tires are massive, have a bit more of a square profile, and have what I would call a transition knob about every 3 knobs. I prefer tires without transition knobs, I couldn't get with the Hans Dampf, and think it is terribly overrated, at least here in the desert. Anyway, my tires weighted in at 802/816g, have a nice stout sidewall, setup tubeless well, and the compounds are spot on. When looking at the CM, I thought the side knobs should have been taller, but I am rethinking this. The side knobs are very well supported and do not flex. Even with the 42a compound.

    On the trail, these are not the best rollers, but who cares? These are about traction. I find the braking to performance to be excellent, front and rear. When leaning the bike over, I find they get to the side knobs easily, making it very easy to set the edge, unlike the HD which feels like the tire is fighting me. Once on the edge they feel as good or better than my favorite Specy Butcher tire. The Butcher SX side knobs are tall, but do fold over easily, the CM does not. I find the CM is excellent when things get loose. It holds a line very well which requires very little correction in a straight line.

    On the rear, it works very well. The climbing traction is good, maybe not as good as the Trail King, but cornering and braking traction are better. I am running the Enduro compound on the rear, and after 3 rides it shows no signs of wear. After a 9 mile ride on the HD Pacestar, it looked like I had a month of riding on it.

    I will update my review soon, but this is an exciting tire. $30 and free shipping for a well designed Maxxis tire, count me in. On-One Chunky Monkey 26"x2.4"


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    Care to share your source for the $30 free shipping?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bionicman View Post
    Care to share your source for the $30 free shipping?
    Free shipping in the US from the Titus/On-One USA store.
    Unfortunately shipping to Canada is kind of ridiculous, I'm getting $75 shipping for $90 worth of (folding) tyres. Might have to send them to a friend in the States.

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    Got the front tire mounted up last night. Mounted up easily and looks beefy. Nice.

    Got one ride on it this morning and my initial impressions are favorable. I felt a bit slower today but that may not be all the tire's fault. Legs were really flat after a couple of big climbing days and I'm coming down with something tonight so that may have been part of it. I may have felt slower with some Rocket Rons on ther today.

    Only thing I noticed so far besides that is that it does hold an edge well in corners which were mostly hardpacked with some light duff and small rocks on top. I'd been a little timiid in my cornering lately have washing out a couple times in the past few weeks on the 2.35 minnions. But within just a few corners I was finding it very easy to set the edge and gain confidence.

    The sidewall support felt good yet it still felt pretty plush.

    I'll report back as I get the rear mounted and more time on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Got the front tire mounted up last night. Mounted up easily and looks beefy. Nice.

    Got one ride on it this morning and my initial impressions are favorable. I felt a bit slower today but that may not be all the tire's fault. Legs were really flat after a couple of big climbing days and I'm coming down with something tonight so that may have been part of it. I may have felt slower with some Rocket Rons on ther today.

    Only thing I noticed so far besides that is that it does hold an edge well in corners which were mostly hardpacked with some light duff and small rocks on top. I'd been a little timiid in my cornering lately have washing out a couple times in the past few weeks on the 2.35 minnions. But within just a few corners I was finding it very easy to set the edge and gain confidence.

    The sidewall support felt good yet it still felt pretty plush.

    I'll report back as I get the rear mounted and more time on them.
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    They are slow rollers, but On-One makes no apologies for it.

    I have about 6 rides on my set now, and continue to be impressed. Hitting up National, the tires hooked up very well when climbing, and railed on the DH. They are very consistent when laid over and the edge is easy to set. On the rear, the 50a still looks new, even after quite a few road miles. The 50a really works well as a rear tire, climbing traction is excellent. I guess the best endorsement I can give right now is that I don't think much about them. I did go down on Holbert Sunday, but I doubt the tire had much to do with it. I was coming I pretty hot, banking right, on the brakes, on a piece of granite that was falling away. I went down real quick. I probably would have been OK if I set my speed before hitting the corner. I did also put a very small puncture in the rear tire, but it sealed right up. Currently running 24/30psi.
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    Update on the CMs. Front tire sticks like glue in corners. Haven't found the limit yet. Stay tuned...... when I fall on my face I'll know I've found it.... but I hate falling on my face so am approaching the limits somewhat cautiously. It's already worlds better than the Maxxpro 60a Minion DHF 2.35 that came on the bike.

    I have yet to mount the rear tire but I find as I push into corners more the rear tire (2.35 DHR) breaks free "early" now. Which isn't all bad but it let's me know I am cornering harder than I was with the Minions front and rear.
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    I'm completely disappointed in the the HDs. They were trying to kill me breaking traction with every root and rock they hit, dry - not in greasy CT humid conditions, my experience with the trail kings was identical. Just not a good rock root crawling tire.

    I've been a big fan of the Butchers, running them at whistler and on my Enduro Sworks. Traction and grip breaks, but its very predictable.

    Love the 42a Minions, but they wear out too fast, but you can ride up a wall and not flinch.

    For $30 a pop these sound like a nice option.

    I think the tire equation is Rolling Resistance, Traction, Longevity, pick 2 or something to that effect.

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    Great timing! About an hour ago I almost posted a request for an update on this very thread because the tires on my loaner bike are about shot; then I thought about the HD that I didn't use that much before I switched them out so I decided to hold off. I had problems with my front HD slipping out from under me last year in loose soil. Admittedly I have terrible form and probably overweight the front end during cornering; but when nursing a freshly-broken wrist another chance after the 4th washout wasn't going to happen.
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    I'm still running mine. They work very well, and are wearing better. Lots of miles on them and they don't look all that different than the photos I took above. I am still gaining confidence in them, but they have not let me down yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    Kent,

    They are slow rollers, but On-One makes no apologies for it.

    I have about 6 rides on my set now, and continue to be impressed. Hitting up National, the tires hooked up very well when climbing, and railed on the DH. They are very consistent when laid over and the edge is easy to set. On the rear, the 50a still looks new, even after quite a few road miles. The 50a really works well as a rear tire, climbing traction is excellent. I guess the best endorsement I can give right now is that I don't think much about them. I did go down on Holbert Sunday, but I doubt the tire had much to do with it. I was coming I pretty hot, banking right, on the brakes, on a piece of granite that was falling away. I went down real quick. I probably would have been OK if I set my speed before hitting the corner. I did also put a very small puncture in the rear tire, but it sealed right up. Currently running 24/30psi.
    I have not noticed that the ChMonk rolls that slow. Actually surprised at how quietly it rolls on pavement, and I really do not care much about my speed on the roads to and from the trail.

    On the trails, hardpack and looser, having control tends to feel slow for a given speed. More control and you usually go faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    I have not noticed that the ChMonk rolls that slow.
    Thats because in the other thread you told us you'd never rode it before

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfrench View Post
    Thats because in the other thread you told us you'd never rode it before
    Have now.
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    ...mines is still in the packaging as im madly in love with big betty.

    Anyone know what the CM is like in the wet, i.e stones, roots and gloop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    I have not noticed that the ChMonk rolls that slow. Actually surprised at how quietly it rolls on pavement, and I really do not care much about my speed on the roads to and from the trail.

    On the trails, hardpack and looser, having control tends to feel slow for a given speed. More control and you usually go faster.

    ~25 psi on 28mm rims.
    I'll reserve judgement on rolling resistance until I get them both mounted, but I tend to agree so far. They don't seem that slow (for a good sized sticky tire) and don't buzz too loudly on pavement.... although there is a little more buzz/noise than on some other tires (like the Ardent for instance that has a pretty continuous raised center tread).
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    Quote Originally Posted by cfrench View Post
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    Anyone know what the CM is like in the wet, i.e stones, roots and gloop?
    I've wondered this as well. Not sure what kind of riding the CM was designed for or if it is aimed more at being an all-arounder, but I would guess with the soft dual compound 42/50 and flexible but well-supported side lugs it should do pretty well on slick rocks.

    Maybe Shiggy will chime in on these questions? Intended application, and performance in slick/wet conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    Have now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Smorg's too??
    I have been riding the SGB for a year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    I've wondered this as well. Not sure what kind of riding the CM was designed for or if it is aimed more at being an all-arounder, but I would guess with the soft dual compound 42/50 and flexible but well-supported side lugs it should do pretty well on slick rocks.

    Maybe Shiggy will chime in on these questions? Intended application, and performance in slick/wet conditions.
    Rough terrain trail tire. Rock, loose, and decent on hardpack (broad blocks with sipes). The rubber compounds help grip in the wet. Not a mudder.

    Review from a buddy (fast, aggressive 260 lb rider):
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    They've done fine in wet (not sloppy or sticky mud). They didn't shine in wet dirt, but were not worse than average either. They were above average in climbing traction on wet rocks/roots and traction in general on those. Braking traction was good when the tire was straight up/down/vertical...but sketchy in that transition zone...but good when leaned over. Overall, it's a good tire for wet unless it's mucky...it's not a mud tire...but no non-mud tire is a mud tire IMO. It brakes pretty well, steers pretty well. Better than an Ardent or Butcher.

    OK on to dry...finally got some real shred time on a dry trail Sunday. We ripped Larison Rock after the GIT ride on Larison Creek. When the tire is vertical/near-vertical it's dead on fast and grippy. You know how that trail has duff, gravel, hardpack and changes attitudes. The tire does well in them all. The tire corners best when leaned/manhandled. It won't "help" you into a turn, but if you lean it and tell it where to go...it just goes. It's fast and a great match to today's aggressive bikes, if you know how to ride. It doesn't like to be leaned a little bit. It drifts...a lot when I ride casually while at speed. You can account for that of course, but I found the drift left and it bites very well when I get back to pushing the bike and riding aggressively.

    The tire didn't hold me back...which is nice. Ardents on the front do. Sub 13 minute runs on a hardtail. I'm confident that 12 minutes will be broken when I hit it and haven't been climbing all day beforehand. It's not all tire of course, the bike is freakin' rad, but it's nice to push into corners, rail and not have the feeling that the bike is on marbles and the tires are holding me back. Job well done!
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    thanks shiggy. thats a good review.

    it made me conclude like this: (correct me if im wrong) in mud, use muddy marys, in most other cases the CM will suffice, in some 'not flatout tight twisty trails' then maybe need more centre to edge support to avoid 'front wheel' drift.

    since the compound sounds spot on, then any of the weaknesses outlined in the review probably come from 2 places:
    a) the depth of the nobbles
    b) the red circled regions in the pic below:

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    to me the CM sounds like an excellent any day of the week rear tyre and will do itself proud on many trails when on the front whilst in mixed conditions.

    im happy with the price i paid then.

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    Yeah, thanks for the insight and review Shiggy.

    I'll just add that I got the rear mounted and the front remounted both tubeless now with Gorilla Tape and Stans. Mounting was super easy and the beads popped right on with compressed air and sealed nicely.

    Took it on a ride this afternoon after/during the rain and found the traction on wet rocks was good, wet dirt shed nicely but when things got more mucky the mud caked up pretty bad.... but this stuff would've caked up on any tire, I believe. I think there was some betonite clay in the mix for a ways and I just had to get off and push.

    But in damp, semi-wet conditions (not sloppy mud) with lots of loose rocks and off-camber high speed descending they hooked up well and felt bomb-proof and stable. Unlike your buddy, I don't seem to get any drift when I corner more tentatively. They stick when leaned over gradually and keep sticking as as you lean more.

    I had planned on taking this descent a little easy having just mounted them tubeless for the first time and not knowing if burps or blow-offs were going to be a problem..... but after the long climb up without any issues whatsoever, within a few hundred yards of the top, I forgot about my plan to take it easy and just bombed the nasties. Probably not smart.... but no hint of a burp or loss of air.

    So, I'm curious where the sacrifices were made (compared to other Maxxis tires for instance) to keep the price so low? It doesn't seem to be in the quality of the rubber or the casing. (wearing well, no chunking, good sidewall support, soft durometer, etc). Or is this just an introductory price and they'll start increasing price as the CMs gain popularity.
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    I think that the lack of a dealer network, 2nd, 3rd intermediary to add mark up and being sold directly to the public is one main factor is keeping the costs low. Also just think that tyres are marked up a shit load anyways after reading a few comments over the years from people in the business.

    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    ............So, I'm curious where the sacrifices were made (compared to other Maxxis tires for instance) to keep the price so low? It doesn't seem to be in the quality of the rubber or the casing. (wearing well, no chunking, good sidewall support, soft durometer, etc). Or is this just an introductory price and they'll start increasing price as the CMs gain popularity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post

    So, I'm curious where the sacrifices were made (compared to other Maxxis tires for instance) to keep the price so low? It doesn't seem to be in the quality of the rubber or the casing. (wearing well, no chunking, good sidewall support, soft durometer, etc). Or is this just an introductory price and they'll start increasing price as the CMs gain popularity.
    No compromises in the construction/materials.

    I spent a lot of time with the design, but there was only one mold cut (Maxxis will do numerous versions/revisions for their own models).

    Then it is direct distribution/sales, lack of retail packaging, and low wages.
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    I've got several rides in on my 26 x 2.25 Trail Extreme's on my On-One 456 and believe these tires to be keepers. I've ridden them this spring in SW Ontario on the wet rocky and rooty trails. I love the traction and believe them to be good rollers as well. I'm not a try a lot of tires guy, but they hook up like my old standby Nevegals, but roll faster. I also love the volume. They replace a set of Rocket Ron 2.25 and whoa, substantial traction improvement! I've ordered several more sets for my other bikes...
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    Tiss'er,

    How's this holding up in the back for you now? Are you still on the same tire as when you first posted this?

    I've about blown through another Hans Dampf, knobs are ripping off left and right. I think what I've come to realize is the Hans does fine in terms of wear and holding up in wet and/or damp conditions, but when it really gets dry out, the dryness is like sandpaper on these tires and just kills them. I've had a few, and they've all been fine in the fall/winter/spring and I've gotten plenty of riding on them in those conditions, with fantastic wear. But in the past two summers, the dryness has just destroyed the tire.

    So needless to say, looking for a new rear tire. Loving my Big Betty out front though.
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    Not tiSS'er but I've had mine mounted for 2 1/2 months riding in mostly dry semi-loose to rocky terrain. The center rear knobs are starting to wear down just a bit, but overall they are remarkably unworn looking.

    Still really digging these tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Tiss'er,

    How's this holding up in the back for you now? Are you still on the same tire as when you first posted this?

    I've about blown through another Hans Dampf, knobs are ripping off left and right. I think what I've come to realize is the Hans does fine in terms of wear and holding up in wet and/or damp conditions, but when it really gets dry out, the dryness is like sandpaper on these tires and just kills them. I've had a few, and they've all been fine in the fall/winter/spring and I've gotten plenty of riding on them in those conditions, with fantastic wear. But in the past two summers, the dryness has just destroyed the tire.

    So needless to say, looking for a new rear tire. Loving my Big Betty out front though.
    I'm still on the original set. The front looks brand new, the rear is wearing down, still has plenty of meat left for at least another 1-2 months. Not a single knob has torn or ripped. The one problem I am beginning to experience, and this is true for all tires I've tried, is that the casing on the rear tire is now more exposed to punctures due to the wore knobs. I have had a few small punctures over the past couple or rides, mostly due to my own poor line choice.

    I love these tires, they are holding up very well, and hook up well.
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    Great, thanks for the input guys. And you all are still running the Enduro compound in the rear? Haven't found it too hard or lacking grip, etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Great, thanks for the input guys. And you all are still running the Enduro compound in the rear? Haven't found it too hard or lacking grip, etc?
    The center compound is the same on the Extreme as the whole Enduro (50A).
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    Oh ok, great Shiggy. Ordering now....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Oh ok, great Shiggy. Ordering now....
    Correct. I actually will be trying a Trail Extreme on back next. This is probably the best all around tire I have used. The only tire I would give a slight nod to in the climbing department is the Trail King. But the CM is far better everywhere else. I am also running the Smorgasbord as a rear tire on my Endo, and that is working out well too.
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    Site is having issues, so I'll order soon as it's back up. Thanks for all the feedback, anxious to try it out.

    You were running a Captain Control in the back on the Endo at one point I think? How does the Smorgasbord compare?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Site is having issues, so I'll order soon as it's back up. Thanks for all the feedback, anxious to try it out.

    You were running a Captain Control in the back on the Endo at one point I think? How does the Smorgasbord compare?
    The Captain is an excellent rear tire, seems to most everything well. I don't have enough time in the SB to really compare, but for the few rides I do have it feels good. Getting the pressure right and more time on it and I can give you some better feedback. Looking at the tire, it is similar to the CM so I expect good things. The 26X2.25 I have weighs 770 grams for the 60A version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Site is having issues, so I'll order soon as it's back up. Thanks for all the feedback, anxious to try it out.

    You were running a Captain Control in the back on the Endo at one point I think? How does the Smorgasbord compare?
    Try calling to order. Single compound = Enduro (50), dual compound = Trail Extreme (50/42).

    The SGB is a good tire, though not as stable on hardpack as the ChMonk. It also uses harder compounds, 62/50 for the TE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    The Captain is an excellent rear tire, seems to most everything well.
    interesting - just removed my Captain Control which seemed to roll off the bead way easy when i cornered hard. It seemed to set up on the rim really round and tall for a 2.35 tire. I tried everything high pressure and low pressure and nothing worked. This happened last week on my brand new Flow EX rims and so the tire was 'retired'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    interesting - just removed my Captain Control which seemed to roll off the bead way easy when i cornered hard. It seemed to set up on the rim really round and tall for a 2.35 tire. I tried everything high pressure and low pressure and nothing worked. This happened last week on my brand new Flow EX rims and so the tire was 'retired'
    Well to be fair, most people don't try to make a corner at speeds of Mach 5 like you do.
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    Called this morning and ordered up an Enduro compound. Should be here by this weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Called this morning and ordered up an Enduro compound. Should be here by this weekend.
    May I ask why you chose the single compound?

    You will probably have the tire by Thursday.
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    Just thought that one might last me a bit longer is all.

    Think I should have gotten the other compound? Tiss'er said the Enduro has treated him really well, so I just went with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Just thought that one might last me a bit longer is all.

    Think I should have gotten the other compound? Tiss'er said the Enduro has treated him really well, so I just went with it.
    As I posted earlier, the center compound is the same on the two (50A). The TE uses 42A for the edges, very grippy, and it has shown no signs of tearing or chunking for me (I designed the tread to be well supported). If you are a VERY aggressive rider in the corners and on rock the Enduro may be more durable.
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    Any of you guys running the CM tubeless? On flows?

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    Any of you guys running the CM tubeless? On flows?
    Yep, on FlowEx, with no issues at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    Yep, on FlowEx, with no issues at all.

    Good to hear, mine's going on a standard Flow.
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    If it's based on the EXO casing of the 2.4" Ardent you should have absolutely no trouble what so ever getting them mounted up tubeless on Flows, heck you should be able to use a good hand pump like a Topeak turbo morph and get it inflated. Have never had ANY trouble inflating any Maxxis tyre with the EXO casing, super easy, can't say the same about other brands rims or tyres, well except for Bontrager TLR casings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    As I posted earlier, the center compound is the same on the two (50A). The TE uses 42A for the edges, very grippy, and it has shown no signs of tearing or chunking for me (I designed the tread to be well supported). If you are a VERY aggressive rider in the corners and on rock the Enduro may be more durable.
    Yeah, based on how well the side knobs are holding up on my front tire (TE dual compound) and how well the center knobs are holding up on my rear (Enduro compound), I may go with the TE on both front and back next set. I've had the rear break loose earlier than I like a few times when the front is still sticking like crazy in flatter or off-camber corners.

    Sounds like there wouldn't be any penalty in rolling resistance or wear if the center knobs share the same (50a) compound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Yeah, based on how well the side knobs are holding up on my front tire (TE dual compound) and how well the center knobs are holding up on my rear (Enduro compound), I may go with the TE on both front and back next set. I've had the rear break loose earlier than I like a few times when the front is still sticking like crazy in flatter or off-camber corners.

    Sounds like there wouldn't be any penalty in rolling resistance or wear if the center knobs share the same (50a) compound.
    Exactly what I am doing. I already have 3 more CMs sitting at the house ready to go.
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    re: Tubeless...I was seriously blown away last night when i finally followed some advice i received a while ago about adding a layer of "gorilla tape" on top of the tubeless rim tape (i used Stans). Wow...I mounted a Maxxis Larsen (to a flow ex) and a Minion 2.5 EXO (to an old Mavic 8??) with ZERO effort.

    I put down one layer of gorilla tape over the rim tape (I nearly put a second layer ...but decided to take a chance and add a second layer later) and then squirted soapy water.

    Boom...nearly shat myself when the Larsen seated itself in about 3 seconds. I have never been able to get a Larsen 'started' tubeless.

    Kicking myself for not paying attention to this advice earlier.
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    Well, I just order 2 CM, 1 mixed compound and a straight compound and 2 SB dual compound, can't wait to give them a go. Guessing coming from England they'll take about 10-14 days. Have always loved the 2.4" Ardent casing, but never liked the tyre and wish Maxxis would put something else on it, now for the cost of 1 EXO Ardent I got 3 tyres
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    Mine is shipping today, and I got ahold of them this morning and they changed mine to the Trail Extreme compound. Based off Shiggy's remarks and the fact I don't corner like Brian Lopes, sounds like this will be a winner. Anxious to try it out, and kill my hans dampf with fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Well, I just order 2 CM, 1 mixed compound and a straight compound and 2 SB dual compound, can't wait to give them a go. Guessing coming from England they'll take about 10-14 days. Have always loved the 2.4" Ardent casing, but never liked the tyre and wish Maxxis would put something else on it, now for the cost of 1 EXO Ardent I got 3 tyres
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    I'm most interested in how they will compare to the HR2 proto I've been running for over 1.5 years, it's an excellent tyre in just about any condition, think Maxxis is loosing out by not making a 2.4" with this same Ardent casing.
    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Mine is shipping today, and I got ahold of them this morning and they changed mine to the Trail Extreme compound. Based off Shiggy's remarks and the fact I don't corner like Brian Lopes, sounds like this will be a winner. Anxious to try it out, and kill my hans dampf with fire.
    Will keep an eye out for that, found the one on the DHR2 very interesting indeed.
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    Ok guys, starting to look for some HansDampf replacements.
    I have a pair in Trailstar that have been cut. (groups of 4 transition knobs)
    With the cut they are much better and don't wash out nearly as often and run a bit faster.
    Problem now is that the side knobs are small and unsupported, so they roll and squirm.
    If you ease into it, they work quite well, but if you need to throw them around at all, then the side knobs tend to give way.

    So, looking for something that rolls well and does well on hard-pack forest style trails, sand or gravel loose over, roots and a bit of embedded rock - all dry or damp conditions, no mud other than the odd patch or puddle.
    So CM/SGB or CM/CM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mykel View Post
    Ok guys, starting to look for some HansDampf replacements.
    I have a pair in Trailstar that have been cut. (groups of 4 transition knobs)
    With the cut they are much better and don't wash out nearly as often and run a bit faster.
    Problem now is that the side knobs are small and unsupported, so they roll and squirm.
    If you ease into it, they work quite well, but if you need to throw them around at all, then the side knobs tend to give way.

    So, looking for something that rolls well and does well on hard-pack forest style trails, sand or gravel loose over, roots and a bit of embedded rock - all dry or damp conditions, no mud other than the odd patch or puddle.
    So CM/SGB or CM/CM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mykel View Post
    Ok guys, starting to look for some HansDampf replacements.
    I have a pair in Trailstar that have been cut. (groups of 4 transition knobs)
    With the cut they are much better and don't wash out nearly as often and run a bit faster.
    Problem now is that the side knobs are small and unsupported, so they roll and squirm.
    If you ease into it, they work quite well, but if you need to throw them around at all, then the side knobs tend to give way.

    So, looking for something that rolls well and does well on hard-pack forest style trails, sand or gravel loose over, roots and a bit of embedded rock - all dry or damp conditions, no mud other than the odd patch or puddle.
    So CM/SGB or CM/CM?

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    Shiggy, any news on a 650b version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Shiggy, any news on a 650b version?
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    Guys, I was wondering how the CM's would work in this terrain? I spend most of my time on this trail system which has lots of these little exposed rock climbs like this one. I'm currently running Schwable MM up front and a HD pacestar out back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleevem1 View Post
    Guys, I was wondering how the CM's would work in this terrain? I spend most of my time on this trail system which has lots of these little exposed rock climbs like this one. I'm currently running Schwable MM up front and a HD pacestar out back.
    I can not see much in that pic (too dark). The CM is designed for rough rocky trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    I can not see much in that pic (too dark). The CM is designed for rough rocky trails.
    Thanks Shiggy. I ride in the north east so most of the trails have exposed roots with some rock. Doesn't sound like the CM's are a good fit for this type of terrain.

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    I ride all of NW Oregon and some of SW Washington. Sandy ridge is my go to home trail maybe you have ridden it shiggy.
    I am currently on a muddy mary front big betty rear. Its been a great combo but a little slow and I tend to destroy them. How would you compare the chunky monkeys? For the price I am tempted to give them a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleevem1 View Post
    Thanks Shiggy. I ride in the north east so most of the trails have exposed roots with some rock. Doesn't sound like the CM's are a good fit for this type of terrain.
    No, I would say the CM is a great choice for that type of terrain.
    You specifically asked about exposed rock climbs, and the CM is much more than a one trick pony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by finch6013 View Post
    I ride all of NW Oregon and some of SW Washington. Sandy ridge is my go to home trail maybe you have ridden it shiggy.
    I am currently on a muddy mary front big betty rear. Its been a great combo but a little slow and I tend to destroy them. How would you compare the chunky monkeys? For the price I am tempted to give them a shot.
    Not as open as the MM, similar to the BB (been a while since I rode the latter), With better basic grip. I would not think twice about running the CM f&r at Sandy Ridge (love it up there).

    Can not say I feel the tires are "slow" and I have been riding them 6-10 miles on pavement on each end of trail rides. What has surprised me is how well they corner on pavement. I lean them into fast downhill corners as hard as pure road tires with totally confidence and no squirm or walking. The feel the same way on hardpack and loose over hardpack--which I did intend by using the steps and sipes in the broad tread blocks.

    Good open spaces and mostly square drive/braking edges provide the loose/ledgy/rooty grip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleevem1 View Post
    Thanks Shiggy. I ride in the north east so most of the trails have exposed roots with some rock. Doesn't sound like the CM's are a good fit for this type of terrain.
    I'll let you know how the CM deals with SMH shortly. I should be running one (on the back only) in about a week. Looking forward to it as this sloppy humid summer has made things quite tricky out there.
    How are you finding the HDampfs on the wet rock? (what psi?) I've got Nobby nics and I'm not impressed with them there. side knobs seem too unsupported for all the off camber rock, and there's a very narrow window of psi that works for SMH but is too low for other trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kark View Post
    I'll let you know how the CM deals with SMH shortly. I should be running one (on the back only) in about a week. Looking forward to it as this sloppy humid summer has made things quite tricky out there.
    How are you finding the HDampfs on the wet rock? (what psi?) I've got Nobby nics and I'm not impressed with them there. side knobs seem too unsupported for all the off camber rock, and there's a very narrow window of psi that works for SMH but is too low for other trails.
    Thanks man, curious to hear how they work. I don't think I would be much of a help on tires as I'm a "Joey" when it comes to ridding bikes. I have flow rims but still using tubes and runnin them in the 22 to 28 psi range. If I ever bump into you on the trails you are more than welcome to try my Chili out and get a feel for the Schwable set up I have.

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    Just got my package, unfortunately order was dispatched wrong, so got 3 29ers and 1 26er So right now only have the CM TE and 2 Smorgasbord TE. Size is on par with Maxxis sizing as would be expected, weight is a bit more than I thought and I think this is one place where the $$ go up as you optimize weight distribution and laying down the absolute ideal amount of rubber where it's 'sposed to be. Really looking forward to giving these tyres a try, actually thinking for the FS I'll prefer the Smorgasbord, but will have to wait and see.

    Mounted up all the tyres onto my Stans Flow and Crest wheels with just a floor pump and a little soapy water, no trouble at all, but that's what I've come to expect from Maxxis tyres now
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    Are the CM Trail Extremes available? I only see the Enduro's on the website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinboyer View Post
    Are the CM Trail Extremes available? I only see the Enduro's on the website.
    I received an email from on one and was told they should have restock of the CM TE by end of week, beginning of next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnBikinDude View Post
    I received an email from on one and was told they should have restock of the CM TE by end of week, beginning of next.
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    Just picked up a pair for my Endo. I have a Trail Extreme in the back and the Enduro upfront. Gotta say I'm pretty impressed with these tires so far. They hooked up tubeless on my Stan's Crest rims right away. The volume and casings are very Ardent-like but the knobs are much better. This makes me happy because I've been riding the 2.4 Ardents for awhile and I really liked them when the were new but couldn't stand how the side-knobs wore down so quickly. These knobs look like they'll hold up better. I also like how they hook up in the rocky/technical stuff that we have. Can't beat the price either.
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    Kind of backwards putting the softer tyre out back and harder on the front eh? I unfortunately didn't get both of mine, but TE upfront and E outback was the plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by woodyak View Post
    Just picked up a pair for my Endo. I have a Trail Extreme in the back and the Enduro upfront. Gotta say I'm pretty impressed with these tires so far. They hooked up tubeless on my Stan's Crest rims right away. The volume and casings are very Ardent-like but the knobs are much better. This makes me happy because I've been riding the 2.4 Ardents for awhile and I really liked them when the were new but couldn't stand how the side-knobs wore down so quickly. These knobs look like they'll hold up better. I also like how they hook up in the rocky/technical stuff that we have. Can't beat the price either.
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    Will the Enduro's work well on Stan's ZTR Flow rims, running tubeless with 35psi with no burping during hard riding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big B View Post
    Will the Enduro's work well on Stan's ZTR Flow rims, running tubeless with 35psi with no burping during hard riding?
    I run them on Flow Exs 22/28psi on rather techy terrain with confidence
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    Ran tubeless rear Enduro compound on Flows. Sealed quickly with my air compressor. Just did over 2200 ft vertical in the rocky trails of Shenandoah. Needless to say, when I got back to the parking lot, I was disappointed in seeing my front Hans Dampf cut to shit. Chunky Monkey showed wear, but no tearing. I have a second CM on my secondary bike, I'll be replacing my HD with it and report back on how these two compare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shmoo View Post
    I'll be replacing my HD with it and report back on how these two compare.
    Great, can't wait! FWIW, I ride mostly rocky terrain and have probably 400 miles with no damage. Is yours the snakeskin sidewall?

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    My TS Dampfs were great in the spring/winter/fall when the trails were damp and or wet. The minute they dried out in summer they fell apart faster than house of cards in an earthquake.
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    Here is what mine look like after 4 months of use. The front is a TE, the rear an Enduro. These are the original tires I put on in April. Our terrain is tough on tires, so I'm pretty happy. I have had 3 flats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplemind View Post
    Great, can't wait! FWIW, I ride mostly rocky terrain and have probably 400 miles with no damage. Is yours the snakeskin sidewall?
    Yes, snakeskin. It's the side knobs that are getting ripped apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    Here is what mine look like after 4 months of use. The front is a TE, the rear an Enduro. These are the original tires I put on in April. Our terrain is tough on tires, so I'm pretty happy. I have had 3 flats.

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    Your front looks a bit better than mine after 3-4 months and my rear maybe not quite as low in the center knobs but I did kill my rear CM last Saturday on a very sharp rock that cut a 2" slash in the sidewall. Would've killed anything without steel belted sidewalls. I was barely able to keep a tube in it to get off the hill even with a power bar wraper for a bandage. LOL.

    My front tire is still hooking up very well. I see very little if any change in performance. I'm sure there's some, but it's been gradual so less noticeable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Your front looks a bit better than mine after 3-4 months and my rear maybe not quite as low in the center knobs but I did kill my rear CM last Saturday on a very sharp rock that cut a 2" slash in the sidewall. Would've killed anything without steel belted sidewalls. I was barely able to keep a tube in it to get off the hill even with a power bar wraper for a bandage. LOL.

    My front tire is still hooking up very well. I see very little if any change in performance. I'm sure there's some, but it's been gradual so less noticeable.
    I've gotten my moneys worth out of the rear tire, probably time to change it out. It is ripe for a nasty puncture since I'm riding on the casing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    I've gotten my moneys worth out of the rear tire, probably time to change it out. It is ripe for a nasty puncture since I'm riding on the casing.
    Yeah, my rear was about due to be replaced anyway. I'd had a few smaller punctures/cuts in the tread before that that sealed with Stan's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Yeah, my rear was about due to be replaced anyway. I'd had a few smaller punctures/cuts in the tread before that that sealed with Stan's.

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    I spoke with them yesterday, I was told 2 weeks for the TE compound to be available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    I've gotten my moneys worth out of the rear tire, probably time to change it out.

    I have a used Hans Dampf I can send you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    I have a used Hans Dampf I can send you.
    Gosh thanks, my favorite tire.

    You could send the tire and $20 to me and I still won't use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    Gosh thanks, my favorite tire.

    You could send the tire and $20 to me and I still won't use it.

    Hahaha, I know you miss it. Don't lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    I have a used Hans Dampf I can send you.
    That's funny. That's exactly what I put on there to hold me over (after puncturing the 2.35 DHF that I put on there first). I don't mind the HDs but I did notice it is slower than the CM.

    Looks like they're still having trouble with their online ordering system. I'll have to call tomorrow and get an Enduro coming...... and to get a Trail Extreme on order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleevem1 View Post
    Thanks man, curious to hear how they work. I don't think I would be much of a help on tires as I'm a "Joey" when it comes to ridding bikes. I have flow rims but still using tubes and runnin them in the 22 to 28 psi range. If I ever bump into you on the trails you are more than welcome to try my Chili out and get a feel for the Schwable set up I have.
    Sleevem1, I finally got some time on the CM in SMH and it's very very good. I haven't run it in rain yet but it's seen humid greasy mud pocket type stuff and it's quite good. I still have a nobby nic on the front so can compare how the respective treads behave on the off camber, grooved out rock slabs in SMH and the CM provides a much more stable footprint for certain. When the side knobs do give out the feeling is much less indistinct/mushy as the NobbyNic and usually hooks back up quickly and just generally feels more assured.
    I also ran it a few days at Fortune on trail and light DH (q-cup, national, uberpunch, thunderc--t) and it was excellent there as well. Basically, as yet I see no downside to the tire for our local conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kark View Post
    Sleevem1, I finally got some time on the CM in SMH and it's very very good. I haven't run it in rain yet but it's seen humid greasy mud pocket type stuff and it's quite good. I still have a nobby nic on the front so can compare how the respective treads behave on the off camber, grooved out rock slabs in SMH and the CM provides a much more stable footprint for certain. When the side knobs do give out the feeling is much less indistinct/mushy as the NobbyNic and usually hooks back up quickly and just generally feels more assured.
    I also ran it a few days at Fortune on trail and light DH (q-cup, national, uberpunch, thunderc--t) and it was excellent there as well. Basically, as yet I see no downside to the tire for our local conditions.
    Kark, thanks for the feed back. I'm going to order up a set of the TE compound and give them a go. Recently I switched from a Muddy Marry to a HD trailstar up front and I'm finding its washing out more than the MM so I will be switching them back until I get the CM's in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleevem1 View Post
    Kark, thanks for the feed back. I'm going to order up a set of the TE compound and give them a go. Recently I switched from a Muddy Marry to a HD trailstar up front and I'm finding its washing out more than the MM so I will be switching them back until I get the CM's in.
    Good luck, I just picked up the last 3 TEs they had Sorry. Drop them an email and see when they are getting more. They must have received a small batch because they TEs were only available for a few days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    Good luck, I just picked up the last 3 TEs they had Sorry. Drop them an email and see when they are getting more. They must have received a small batch because they TEs were only available for a few days.
    You thought you picked up the last three Email sent, email returned very quickly stating they had a few more in stock. Order placed at 4:30 today and they have already shipped them out with a tracking number. I must say that is great service!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleevem1 View Post
    You thought you picked up the last three Email sent, email returned very quickly stating they had a few more in stock. Order placed at 4:30 today and they have already shipped them out with a tracking number. I must say that is great service!
    I got two TE CMs as well. Called Brandt on Friday (they'd just come in the day before) and I had them Monday. The only problem I've found with the Chunky Monkeys so far is this hit and miss availability. Shouldn't have talked them up so much.

    Still really stoked on these tires....er, I mean. Really sucky tire. slides out even on the tackiest turn, knobs chunk badly, wears out in a week, almost impossible to mount tubeless.....I wouldn't buy them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleevem1 View Post
    You thought you picked up the last three Email sent, email returned very quickly stating they had a few more in stock. Order placed at 4:30 today and they have already shipped them out with a tracking number. I must say that is great service!
    Excellent, be sure to let us know what you think. They do have incredible customer service.

    And I agree with KRob, don't buy these tires, I'm tired of waiting for them to come back in stock
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    I had really great customer service with them as well when I ordered mine some time ago.

    Are you guys finding the tire really shines in the front as well? I've only running one on the rear, and I love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    I had really great customer service with them as well when I ordered mine some time ago.

    Are you guys finding the tire really shines in the front as well? I've only running one on the rear, and I love it.
    It is an awesome front tire
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    I had really great customer service with them as well when I ordered mine some time ago.

    Are you guys finding the tire really shines in the front as well? I've only running one on the rear, and I love it.
    I love it as a front tire. It certainly works better with wider rims.
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    I love it as a front tire. It certainly works better with wider rims.
    Define "wider". I have been using it on 21-23mm (inside) rims with good results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    Define "wider". I have been using it on 21-23mm (inside) rims with good results.
    I initially started with it on a 819 (19mm internal) and the tire was OK. I since have rebuilt my wheels with Flow Exs, 25.5mm internal, and the tires are superb.
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    Guys, my tires arrived in great time and I was able to get out for a couple rides on my local trail this week. I would have to throw out a huge thanks for recommending the tires. My first outing I spent a fair bit of time messin with air pressure but an hour in and I was already completely stoked with them. I was able to clean at least three climbs that were giving me fits over the last few months because I was losing traction in the rear. Our riding conditions have been dry all week so I was unable to test them in greasy conditions. I did not experience any washing out in the front. I hope they perform as well in the wet as they do in the dry.

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    I will pipe in and say I'm really loving this tire on the back of my Chili. I mean just really digging it. This will def be my go to rear tire from now on, and I'm anxious to try one out in the front when my Big Betty goes the way of the dodo.
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    How tall is the cm compared to say big Betty, muddy mary or Hans dampf?

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    I think only one or two of you guys specifically mentioned tubeless setup. Gorilla tape and an air compressor were mentioned. I hate both. (btw I am still loving Orange Seal over Stans)

    Anyone else have any experience running tubeless. These would be on ZTR flows for Knollfest 2013.
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