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    Carbon Bar Advice

    I'm thinking either Enve DH or Race Face SixC. Any advice, feedback etc. Thanks.

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    Which bike?

    +1 for Whisky Bars on my Endo. 740mm
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    Joystick will have an 800mm carbon DH bar ready to ship in the next month or so. I've been one on for a few months: tough as nails and looks great. Granted, I've had to chop down a bunch of trees in my area so my bars can get thru, but I look soooooo cool in the parking lot, it's totally worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    Which bike?

    +1 for Whisky Bars on my Endo. 740mm
    Chicotin. I'm tall so 780 + is good for me.

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    I have an Enve DH Bar on my Chili. Light, stiff, good angles, and most importantly hasn't broken. Frankly I can't tell the difference in feel compared to my Chromag Fubar OSX other than its lighter on a scale and I have to remember to be more careful with tighten everything around the bar.

    I picked it for the extra length (which I still cut down) and weight.

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    Chromag Fubar OSX on my Chili, but dad opted for the RF SixC 785 on his, which should be finished in a week so I can report back on the differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by string View Post
    I have an Enve DH Bar on my Chili. Light, stiff, good angles, and most importantly hasn't broken. Frankly I can't tell the difference in feel compared to my Chromag Fubar OSX other than its lighter on a scale and I have to remember to be more careful with tighten everything around the bar.

    I picked it for the extra length (which I still cut down) and weight.
    I thought carbon bars were meant to be more comfortable because they absorbed vibrations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by B Gillespie View Post
    Chromag Fubar OSX on my Chili, but dad opted for the RF SixC 785 on his, which should be finished in a week so I can report back on the differences.
    Thanks.

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    I found my carbon Havoc bars to damp high-frequency vibrations better than my Race-Face or Sunlines.
    Nothing that I can really "Feel" as hugely different on just a ride, but I do find my hand with the nerve damage does last longer when DHing before I need to stop and work it out, as well not as sore and cramped at the end of the day as compared to aluminum.

    Have not tried the Enve bars, but have heard that are on the stiffer side as compared to the normal 31.8 carbon Havocs.
    That is why I went Easton.

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    I've been running the SixC's for a while, nothing negative to say about them (and now they come in colours!). I do wonder if there is much quality difference with Easton's carbon as both Raceface and Easton are owned by Easton/Bell...

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    Quote Originally Posted by string View Post
    I have an Enve DH Bar on my Chili.
    I picked it for the extra length (which I still cut down) and weight.
    How did you cut them? I have the same bar and need to take about an inch off each side, but I don't want to splinter the carbon.

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    measure where you want to cut.
    wrap in a layer of tape to prevent fraying.
    cut with a hacksaw with a fine blade - ie 32 tpi
    use some type of guide if possible.
    ie cut a hole in a scrap of wood the same size as the bar end, slip over and use as a guide to cut.

    edit: Seal the cut bar ends to prevent the fibres from fraying.

    For this you can use:
    epoxy
    nail polish
    model paint etc.

    Do not use lacquer or any other "paint" that uses a solvent to soften the base material to effect a bond with the finish.

    wear a mask, carbon dust is no good fer ya.


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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    I thought carbon bars were meant to be more comfortable because they absorbed vibrations?

    The carbon may be absorbing vibrations but my hands are not that sensitive and with 170mm of travel run with very little low speed compression I think the suspension negates some of the vibration benefits of carbon (in my unscientific opinion)

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    Using a steerer tube cutting guide works a treat with the masking tape. I'd suggest starting with 1/2 " each side and try it for a while before doing the next cut - harder to add to the bars than to cut 'em.
    Quote Originally Posted by mykel View Post
    measure where you want to cut.
    wrap in a layer of tape to prevent fraying.
    cut with a hacksaw with a fine blade - ie 32 tpi
    use some type of guide if possible.
    ie cut a hole in a scrap of wood the same size as the bar end, slip over and use as a guide to cut.

    wear a mask, carbon dust is no good fer ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinS View Post
    Using a steerer tube cutting guide works a treat with the masking tape. I'd suggest starting with 1/2 " each side and try it for a while before doing the next cut - harder to add to the bars than to cut 'em.
    Quote Originally Posted by mykel View Post
    measure where you want to cut.
    wrap in a layer of tape to prevent fraying.
    cut with a hacksaw with a fine blade - ie 32 tpi
    use some type of guide if possible.
    ie cut a hole in a scrap of wood the same size as the bar end, slip over and use as a guide to cut.

    wear a mask, carbon dust is no good fer ya.

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    Thanks and thanks.

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    Love the ENVE bars on my chili

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    Quote Originally Posted by string View Post
    The carbon may be absorbing vibrations but my hands are not that sensitive and with 170mm of travel run with very little low speed compression I think the suspension negates some of the vibration benefits of carbon (in my unscientific opinion)
    Same boat here. I like the Havoc's, but you don't notice much difference when compared to a really stiff aluminum bar with 160/170mm of plush travel. The carbon Havoc's do seem to make more of a difference on the Endorphin with small frequency bumps.
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    Not sure I can pinpoint the differences, but I can tell that my SixC bar is more comfortable than the Chromags it replaced. I think the most noticeable is the lack of hand fatigue. Not that it was ever truly bad with the Chromags.

    I guess I could be just trying to justify the purchase though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    Not sure I can pinpoint the differences, but I can tell that my SixC bar is more comfortable than the Chromags it replaced. I think the most noticeable is the lack of hand fatigue. Not that it was ever truly bad with the Chromags.

    I guess I could be just trying to justify the purchase though...
    Well, your barometer for hand fatigue is probably more sensitive than others, given your recent mishaps.

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    Do any of these new carbons have good rise yet say 1.5", and still fairly wide ?

    I need to replace my Sunline 745 w/ 1.75" rise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Do any of these new carbons have good rise yet say 1.5", and still fairly wide ?

    I need to replace my Sunline 745 w/ 1.75" rise
    I wish ! They need to start making bars with a high rise option as well , stupid market got sucked up into the whole low rise fad nonsense **** . For some it works and for others such as myself i enjoy a high rise bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Do any of these new carbons have good rise yet say 1.5", and still fairly wide ?

    I need to replace my Sunline 745 w/ 1.75" rise
    I have not found any wide carbon bars over 20mm rise. This is how I ended up with a set of aluminum Kore Torsion's on my Chili. I have heard good things about the new aluminum Deity CZ 35 for weight vs. stiffness and geometry. I compared the CZ 35 to a Renthal Fatbar at my local shop. The Fatbar felt like a solid piece of aluminum compared to the CZ 35. They might be an option?
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    Thanks for the rec, I'll check those out along with the Joystick. I'm sure you guys have seen the carbon Azonic w/ a 2" rise (too much for me, I'm picky).

    Think I was just lucky in finding the comfy Sunlines, but it seems they are an odd size to replace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Do any of these new carbons have good rise yet say 1.5", and still fairly wide ?

    I need to replace my Sunline 745 w/ 1.75" rise
    35mm here:http://www.syntace.de/download/pdf/v...ace_Vector.pdf

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    He doesn't get hand fatigue from training them in other departments....

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    I never understood the need for a riser bar, aside from looks. You can achieve the same thing with a longer steerer, and you probably would get better use out of a longer steerer anyway (better resale, fits more frames, etc)

    Regarding Carbon. I have the Easton DH, and the ENVE AM. Both are stiff as heck, but the ENVE is just surprisingly stiff. I am almost certain it is stiffer than the Easton, even though it is an AM and the Easton is a DH.

    The 'absorb vibration' thing is true, even though its mostly marketing hype.

    Regarding care for carbon. I think most people mistreat their carbon. If you cut the bars, at least make an attempt to do it right, and seal the fibers at the cut end. Any old epoxy will do. Millions of references on how to repair carbon on the web.

    (BTW my new shipment of carbon and Kevlar arrived. Look for custom crank booties and downtube protection soon)
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    rdhft, good point about sealing ends with epoxy, thanks.

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    yup, totally forgot that step.
    Clear nail polish - or black if you want to goth it up will work as well.
    So will model paint - you know the testors stuff in the wee bottles.

    Will edit my cutting post to include the sealing - thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought View Post
    I never understood the need for a riser bar, aside from looks. You can achieve the same thing with a longer steerer, and you probably would get better use out of a longer steerer anyway
    Two reasons for a riser bar. 1. You are at max recommended spacer height and need more. From what I understand, 30mm of spacers is recommended max. 2. The steer tube is cut too short and more rise is needed for the application.

    I am running 30mm of spacers on my Endorphin with 20mm Havoc carbon and it is just barely enough to be comfortable on the bike.


    Edit: Nice find on the 35mm Syntace Vector's Loamranger.
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    wing span over 6'1

    Think a longer steerer puts more stress on the HT with the wider bars today, and some frames need that extra rise for clearance so the top tube doesn't get dinged when the bars come around

    I learned the hard way (nailed good in the thigh) took months for that softball sized bruise to go away.

    There's a 40mm Syntace on amazon, may be a typo

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