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    can anyone contact knolly? cracked my 3rd delirium frame and i am desperate ahhh!

    i'm guessing they have a design and or manufacturing flaw in the 09 delirium t. i have had 3 crack at the seat tube x top tube x gusset tube weld (upper). my first frame cracked in 2 months. the next cracked in a year, and this last went 2 whole weeks before that weld gave. brand new warranty replacement frame.

    it's without question the best frame i have ever ridden. and they have been very nice to deal with. i was hoping this was just my (very) bad luck until this a.m. when the third frame died.

    they are moving or something and are currently difficult to reach. i called both the local number and the toll free one with no luck. it takes them 3-4 days to return an email at the earliest. i'm glad they are busy, but i am desperate as this was my back up frame, and i have no ride ahhhhhh! i am hopelessly addicted to riding.

    if you know these guys and could call them for me, i would appreciate it.

    you can pm me or better: my number in arizona usa is: nine 2 eight - two 8 2- 55 two one. my email is blacks at npgcable dot com

    i'd like to get a frame in mail as soon as possible.


    thank you.

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    Maybe PM Dusty, he's on here regularly and might be able to help.

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    thanks bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toothoogre View Post
    thanks bro.
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    done. my thanks.

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    contact made thank you.

    i was almost immediately contacted by dusty bottoms who sent my plea on to knolly.

    thank you dusty for lightening aid.

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    maybe you should move to something bigger like a V tach
    are you doing a josh bender tour ?????

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    What size is your frame? I have a front/rear triangle (no linkage) you can have. I cracked mine and had it welded. I have moved onto the Delirium. It is a medium ano grey.
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    this is about a big as i can take.

    Quote Originally Posted by Artin Aga View Post
    maybe you should move to something bigger like a V tach
    are you doing a josh bender tour ?????

    i am at my weight limit for this terrain. it's a bit under 44#. lots of climbing at which the delirium excels.

    used bullits through '05 at the rate of one a year. then turner's sixpack (horst) which lasted 2 years.

    does knolly heat treat post weld? it's essential for a durable frame.

    this is the one that just cracked (in 2 weeks). '02 7" boxxer in front.
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    mine was a medium.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dominator13 View Post
    What size is your frame? I have a front/rear triangle (no linkage) you can have. I cracked mine and had it welded. I have moved onto the Delirium. It is a medium ano grey.
    do you mean you moved onto the new delirium?

    this pic is the green one that cracked in july. got a year out of this frame. that's about 3000 miles +/- depending on the year.

    is this problem a design issue or manufacturing flaw(s) or both?



    did you get yours re heat treated post weld?

    what did it cost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by toothoogre View Post

    does knolly heat treat post weld? it's essential for a durable frame.

    this is the one that just cracked (in 2 weeks). '02 7" boxxer in front.
    Yes, they are heat treated post weld. I am betting the problems have something to do with why they are choosing to relocate manufacturing to new facilities.

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    So, if I read correctly...you broke 3 Santa Cruz Bullits (one per year), a Turner Six Pack, and 3 Knolly Deleriums?

    And you think it is a manufacturing issue? Even if it is, the fact is you are hard on frames. So, either you a.) learn how to ride smoother (may not be possible--I have a feeling you are doing some gnarly stuff!!), or b.) get a stronger frame.

    Breaking a frame nearly every year simply means you need a stronger frame, unless you don't mind replacing them every year. Screw weight. Put a couple extra pounds into the frame and take it off elsewhere. 2 pounds in a frame will make it much stronger. If I were you I would search out a VTACH if you can find one, or some other Freeride specific super burly frame.
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    My frame would break trying to hold that Azonic Loveseat up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by toothoogre View Post

    does knolly heat treat post weld? it's essential for a durable frame.

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    if they didn't, they wouldn't have got anywhere near this point in reputation, nor would any bike builder
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    just wondering how many bones you have that may be manufacturing defects? I assume you've broken some of them as well along the way? is there any fame you've ridden that didn't have a short life? I'm just jealous that I'll never ride that hard, getting to old. but seriously get a V-tach!

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    Quote Originally Posted by toothoogre View Post
    i am at my weight limit for this terrain. it's a bit under 44#. lots of climbing at which the delirium excels.

    used bullits through '05 at the rate of one a year. then turner's sixpack (horst) which lasted 2 years.

    does knolly heat treat post weld? it's essential for a durable frame.

    this is the one that just cracked (in 2 weeks). '02 7" boxxer in front.
    I'll say you need a vtach and a lighter/smaller seat.

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    Take a look at a Cove STD, that might be right up your alley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toothoogre View Post
    do you mean you moved onto the new delirium?

    this pic is the green one that cracked in july. got a year out of this frame. that's about 3000 miles +/- depending on the year.

    is this problem a design issue or manufacturing flaw(s) or both?



    did you get yours re heat treated post weld?

    what did it cost?

    There was a problem with the welds on a few frames in that area. It is hard to keep the integrity of the tube when welding to it and the stress that it takes from the seatpost. They have fixed that with a brace accross the area on the new frames. I had an aluminum welder weld and rheem the seattube where it cracked. $60, but it burnt out the ano coloration. I am currently on the (N) version Delirium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhodge View Post
    if they didn't, they wouldn't have got anywhere near this point in reputation, nor would any bike builder
    the bullits were a blast to ride, but always felt so ratty right out of the box. the top tube was so fragile, so i wondered if they heat treated post weld.

    the turner sixpack was glassine by compare. i could feel the difference at once which i attributed to the extra care the frame got in the making, and explains the relative longevity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artin Aga View Post
    maybe you should move to something bigger like a V tach
    are you doing a josh bender tour ?????
    nah. but i do ride a lot of miles in rough rocky terrain. takes it's toll on man and bike alike. don't do a lot of big air (chicken).

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    Wow. That's a lot of broken D-Ts. I think there's probably only been like 5 broken D-Ts total, and three of them were yours!

    How tall are you. From the way you have the seat (?) slammed back all the way on the rails it looks like you maybe should be riding a large.

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    If you think about it, the seatpost has a ton of leverage on that exact spot, its no wonder they crack there. If you do alot of seated riding in rocky terrrain there is even more stress on that area. With the seat high and back in the rails, the slack seat angle, the odds are against you my friend. I wonder if that is part of the reason why the Delirium has a more upright seat angle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    If you think about it, the seatpost has a ton of leverage on that exact spot, its no wonder they crack there. If you do alot of seated riding in rocky terrrain there is even more stress on that area. With the seat high and back in the rails, the slack seat angle, the odds are against you my friend. I wonder if that is part of the reason why the Delirium has a more upright seat angle?

    the rock forces one to be in and out of the saddle a lot. that might be worse since the "in" is often sudden and can be violent.

    yes on the seat tube. it must be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought View Post
    So, if I read correctly...you broke 3 Santa Cruz Bullits (one per year), a Turner Six Pack, and 3 Knolly Deleriums?

    And you think it is a manufacturing issue? Even if it is, the fact is you are hard on frames. So, either you a.) learn how to ride smoother (may not be possible--I have a feeling you are doing some gnarly stuff!!), or b.) get a stronger frame.

    Breaking a frame nearly every year simply means you need a stronger frame, unless you don't mind replacing them every year. Screw weight. Put a couple extra pounds into the frame and take it off elsewhere. 2 pounds in a frame will make it much stronger. If I were you I would search out a VTACH if you can find one, or some other Freeride specific super burly frame.
    close. bought my first bullit, a 1999 metallic orange (great color), right here on mtbr classifieds over 11 years ago. there was no dealer here at the time. since there was no way to test ride, i went used. it was as new though and broke after a year.

    i bought a new one from my LBS (who became a dealer) every 12 months. they failed like they were on a schedule. broke one a year through '05 when they stopped making them.

    i didn't break the turner, but i retired it after 2 years. that was an outstanding frame - the horst link version. i came to recognize the early warning signs of metal fatigue after so many broken frames and parts. they get this characteristic ratty feel. my chains get it after 3-4 months, and if i don't pay attention and replace them, they snap.

    i may be hard on frames and parts, but i've come to think it's the terrain and the miles. i think it's constant lateral torque banging through the rock with my 215# (with gear - heavy pack). it's just like those old metal coat hangers bent back and forth till they brake.

    i'll check out the v tach thanks for the suggestion. your right about the weight, it's never been high on my list of concerns. this delirium weighs just under #44. but this is about my bike weight limit in this terrain

    there is so much climbing here, i need a frame that can.

    the delirium is the best frame i have ever ridden. really in class by itself. i'd propose if it was just a little better looking

    i'd hate to have to start the hunt again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Wow. That's a lot of broken D-Ts. I think there's probably only been like 5 broken D-Ts total, and three of them were yours!

    How tall are you. From the way you have the seat (?) slammed back all the way on the rails it looks like you maybe should be riding a large.

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    bad luck. just a measly 5'10". i do like a longish cockpit though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominator13 View Post
    There was a problem with the welds on a few frames in that area. It is hard to keep the integrity of the tube when welding to it and the stress that it takes from the seatpost. They have fixed that with a brace accross the area on the new frames. I had an aluminum welder weld and rheem the seattube where it cracked. $60, but it burnt out the ano coloration. I am currently on the (N) version Delirium.
    what do you think of the n version?

    would you compare the virtues please - particularly the climbing.

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    Two more here. The medium series 4 broke right off and the small series 4 cracked only. Too much pedaling uphill with the seatpost extended. I'm thinking a Rockshox Reverb post would stop the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eastshorebiker View Post
    Two more here. The medium series 4 broke right off and the small series 4 cracked only. Too much pedaling uphill with the seatpost extended. I'm thinking a Rockshox Reverb post would stop the problem.
    Did you happen to get a shot straight down the inside of the seat tube? Just curious about the amount of penetration the weld had......

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    As a metallurgist who does a lot of failure analysis, I think what these photos are showing us is that some riders may not have long enough seat posts on thier rides. Knolly specs a minimum of 4" insertion at full extension - this is to ensure the load is spread out and dissipated through the seat post rather than concentrating bending loads around the post brace. I have taken to marking my post to avoid this very problem because sometimes that bit of extra extension can be very tempting when slogging up a long climb!

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    Quote Originally Posted by toothoogre View Post
    what do you think of the n version?

    would you compare the virtues please - particularly the climbing.
    I have never ridden a DT, however switched from the Endorphin to the Delirium. I think the Delirium climbs slightly better than the Endorphin. Here we ride short, steep, rocky up, short steep, rocky down, repeat....

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    it is not true in my case, but i can't speak for the other frames.

    Quote Originally Posted by gemini510 View Post
    As a metallurgist who does a lot of failure analysis, I think what these photos are showing us is that some riders may not have long enough seat posts on their rides. Knolly specs a minimum of 4" insertion at full extension - this is to ensure the load is spread out and dissipated through the seat post rather than concentrating bending loads around the post brace. I have taken to marking my post to avoid this very problem because sometimes that bit of extra extension can be very tempting when slogging up a long climb!

    i have an uncut seat post over 14" long with 7" - 8" still sunk in the seat tube. frames need all the help i can give them here, so i deliberately leave them long to support the seat tube on every bike i have owned whether spec 'd or no. you can see the marks on the post.
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    What is with the ghetto foam and tape on the top of the stanchions and stem? Come to think of it, are DT's even warrantied for double crown forks? I know the new Deliriums arent, but not sure if the DT's were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    What is with the ghetto foam and tape on the top of the stanchions and stem? Come to think of it, are DT's even warrantied for double crown forks? I know the new Deliriums arent, but not sure if the DT's were.
    anti knee knockers and ball basher. rocky trails means unexpected launches. it doesn't take much. i just took advantage of the basher a couple days ago

    are you sure about the new deliriums and the DC forks?

    i thought it was just a travel issue, 7" max. mine is a '02 7" boxxer. i read the old warranty and don't remember a dc clause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Did you happen to get a shot straight down the inside of the seat tube? Just curious about the amount of penetration the weld had......
    what ideally should the weld look like inside?

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    Quote Originally Posted by toothoogre View Post
    i have an uncut seat post over 14" long with 7" - 8" still sunk in the seat tube. frames need all the help i can give them here, so i deliberately leave them long to support the seat tube on every bike i have owned whether spec 'd or no. you can see the marks on the post.
    Does the seat tube maintain its inner diameter all the way down, below where it necks down on the outside? It increases inner diameter on the Endorphin below that point, and all the seat post below that point touches nothing.

    Note: Just saw the fork pictures...if that thing is jacking up the front end more than other 7" forks, the seat tube angle slacks out more, and that's more leverage on your problem area.

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    does anyone know the actual weight of a v tach with a dhx 5 or similar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    I have never ridden a DT, however switched from the Endorphin to the Delirium. I think the Delirium climbs slightly better than the Endorphin. Here we ride short, steep, rocky up, short steep, rocky down, repeat....
    thanks. i heard austin had some nice trails. rocky up rocky down is the best.

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    Im 90% sure the new Delirium isnt warrantied for a DC fork, though I cant find the specifics I thought I read earlier. It may well be that it is a travel thing, as there arent any 7" DC forks anymore that I can think of.

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    I ended up on the lift with a couple of folks on Knolly's at a BC bike park early this summer. If I recall and understood correctly, the one fellow mentioned his DT had also failed in this same general area because the seat tube was reamed off-centre. He commented it had failed because he did a fair bit of pedaling but likely wouldnt have happened if the bike was used more for DH with the seat slammed. So perhaps thats another explanation. Apparently Knolly looked after him. Here's hoping their new manufacturing vendor works a bit better for Knolly. and Knolly riders.

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    The seatpost used, on my Knolly frame that cracked, was the longest Thomson that would fit and still be able to be moved down. It was never used with less than 110mm of the post still in the frames seatube.
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    Knolly looked after our cracked frames without any problems! When I need to replace my Delerium I will definitely replace it with another Knolly.

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    My V-tach is 48.5lbs, but I have a heavy build. I think I could get down to 43lbs or so if I spend some cash.

    I've bent 4 seats now on my V-Tach, including an Azonic Love Seat, and had no problems with the frame...ever. I'm 220lbs naked, and ride hard whenever the chance presents itself.

    IMO, breaking that many frames means you need a burlier bike. I broke my Giant AC1 twice, and then got the V-Tach, which will probably never break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big B View Post
    My V-tach is 48.5lbs, but I have a heavy build. I think I could get down to 43lbs or so if I spend some cash.

    I've bent 4 seats now on my V-Tach, including an Azonic Love Seat, and had no problems with the frame...ever. I'm 220lbs naked, and ride hard whenever the chance presents itself.

    IMO, breaking that many frames means you need a burlier bike. I broke my Giant AC1 twice, and then got the V-Tach, which will probably never break.
    thank you.

    how does the v tach climb? are you using it for dh mostly? my delirium is a bit under #44 and that's about my limit. it's my xc bike.

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    V-tach climbs like a mountain goat. No perceptible bob. I ride everything on my V-tach (but I'm an exception to the norm). I'll do a 24 mile XC loop one weekend, and hit Whistler the next weekend. Most of what I do is moderate all-mountain riding, with jumps and drops scattered here and there. I rarely downhill, as there aren't many place here in WA. I've been riding my V-tach as my one do-all since '06.

    Previous owner of the frame was 6'6", and rode North Shore all the time. He couldn't hurt the frame either.

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    Anybody else finding this thread just a little unbelievable? With all these broken frames from different manufacturers, the OP must be a bike company's worst nightmare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    Anybody else finding this thread just a little unbelievable? With all these broken frames from different manufacturers, the OP must be a bike company's worst nightmare.

    Not really, some people do have the ability to destroy things better then others. Women drivers for example. (kidding)

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    Amazing yes, unbelievable no. There are always layouts on everything and toothoogre seems to be the layout who really help to test the bikes to their limits. He`s probably made go back to the drawing board to a couple of engineers...either that or he`s a calculated loss for bike manufacturers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Im 90% sure the new Delirium isnt warrantied for a DC fork, though I cant find the specifics I thought I read earlier. It may well be that it is a travel thing, as there arent any 7" DC forks anymore that I can think of.

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    Nah. I called and asked. It's a travel thing not a DC thing. You can lower a Fox 40 all the way down to 6" if you want.

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    hold on to your lug nuts...

    it gets worse. i'll be 56 years old this december. i caught the mtb bug late, but i caught it bad.

    it was like a lust .... i had to be out on the trails. i ride out my to door to the trials which makes it easier to put on the miles. i ride year around and stop only for deep mud (unusual here).

    i would describe my riding just as Big B does: "Most of what I do is moderate all-mountain riding, with jumps and drops scattered here and there."

    but i do ride a lot of miles in rock. i have to replace my rear schwalbe big betty about once a month - i reduce it to a slick. i spend over $700 a year just for rubber.
    minus these deliriums, as i said, i think the miles kill the frames, not any virtue (or lack) of mine.

    i know you can form a tight knit group of brother riders/posters, and i appear all of the sudden - an unbelievable interloper. but i used to post here regularly 10 (?) years ago or so (no charge for placing a classified then) under another user name.

    at one point, this site was taken over by a group of pernicious, juvenile (?) posers. it became impossible to ask a simple mechanical question or offer suggestions without every post descending into the most acrimonious, obscene and absurd argument. so i quit for a long while. recently, i posted here that i found 32 mm boxxer seals bulk for $17 a set at bikebling.com, and some guy accused me of spamming. for a biker on a budget, as i am, it was a decent savings, i thought. the tone was like that but considerably worse of old.

    Ridemonkey.com stayed relatively sane, so when i needed help, i posted there.

    from time to time, i would post here, but i had fallen out of the habit and never got back into it.

    i appreciate all your suggestions. forgive me, if the thread has run over long.

    i'm still waiting to hear from knolly.

    it did occur to me that i was fouling my own nest by revealing my history, but oh well. i think it's better to tell it like it is come what may.

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    Toothoogre,

    I am glad to see this turning more towards cogent discourse and not a rant thread. My original advice, echoed by others will put you right. Get a Vtach, and be done with frame issues.

    You are 215 lbs. Either you are fat, or big. (I am 6'1" and pushing 200 myself, just a bit fat). If you are 213, and get a Vtach, then its a push on weight. So don't sweat the details.

    From what I understand the Vtach is like a beefier DT. And I suspect it will climb just as well with the sacrifice of just a couple extra pounds. Either you can afford to lose 2 pounds off your gut (like me), or you've got power a plenty, and don't need to worry about 2 pounds anyway. I honestly do not think a bike exists that climbs as well, yet is just a burly, as a Vtach.

    Good luck with your search.
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